| Clinton and Obama in unity talks
Posted: 6/29/2008 2:24:54 PM | Afrocentric, huh? Ya don't say.....
I just flippin' love it when white folk pretend they understand anything about the Black experience in this country.....always gives me a chuckle. Never seen so many scared racists in my life......truly funny, funny stuff.
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| Clinton and Obama in unity talks
Posted: 6/29/2008 4:21:12 PM | Glad you got a chuckle...once again why is someone considered racist when they question a candidate that obviously has an ehtno-centric belief system...you can call me a racist if that better helps you deal with my concern but it still does nothing to change the fact that Obama adheres to a theology based on the presumption that whites oppress blacks even today, with this in mind I understand your support for Obama as you so readily call anyone who doesn't support Obama and happens to be White a racist..I guess it is much easier to disparage someone than it is to research for your self to see if there may be some basis for concern...one more thing please show me something that I have posted that is Racist?
Liberation theology as it has expressed itself in the African-American community seeks to find a way to make the gospel relevant to black people who must struggle daily under the burden of white oppression.
Back on topic I think that Hillary should have run as an independent or should have never dropped out until the convention, now she is exhibiting qualities that I do not admire. when she was fighting for the nomination I respected her drive and tenacity now she is a meek puppet.... | |
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| Clinton and Obama in unity talks
Posted: 6/29/2008 5:18:48 PM | Well, Insolent, I have to disagree. You know, we both adore Hillary, but we also have to be aware that Hillary has a wonderful career going here that she simply can't toss in the trashcan over the political game she is expected to play. She conceded the election and now she has to play the game and put on her game face. As long as she doesn't bend over too far, I'm fine with her doing what she's doing. I expect her to do it. Now Bill? Not on yer life. I really hope he holds out and doesn't go along. He absolutely doesn't have to go along and he should be true to himself first and foremost. I'll really be kind of sick if Bill starts campaigning for Obama. That just feels ..wrong.
As for racism, I absolutely don't think I've read anything on these boards where you appeared racist in the least, Insolent. You appear concerned to me and you run down a list of valid concerns as to why you aren't going to vote Obama and have chosen McCain instead. It's unfortunate that just because we have these concerns and feel that we're safer voting McCain, that as former Clinton supporters, we're expected to go along and vote Obama or we're accused of hatred, racism, and fearmongering. That's not it at all, but people are going to believe what they desire to believe. As long as you know in your heart what your stance is and why, it's all good. | |
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| Clinton and Obama in unity talks
Posted: 6/29/2008 5:25:32 PM | I was at the Unity event in New Hampshire. It was one of the greatest days of my life. I was an inch away from Senator Obama, right up front. We stood in the heat for four hours to hear him speak. Afterwards, many of us were interviewed by members of the press. I was interviewed by a British radio station about my views on whether Hillary came across as "genuine" and whether Obama was amping up the pandering on the female voters that were Hillary supporters in order to win their votes.
Very wonderful event. People of all different ages and races were there. I saw long-haired wild looking hippies and elderly farmers with weathered faces. There were a lot of children and families. A lot of people from many demographics. I'm pleased to say that in this crowd of thousands of people (I read six thousand people showed up on one site), nobody got hurt, nobody pushed each other. No fighting. Very little protesting against Obama (I only saw two protesters myself). People had come from all over, although me and my fiance seemed to be among those who had travelled the farthest (four and a half hours) to get there.
The most touching moment was when the mayor of Unity (the town) got up to speak. He gave a speech and then said, "I'm not sure why Obama wanted me to come speak to you all today; I'm a Republican and voted for McCain in the primaries." He paused and the crowd was silent. Then he said, "But maybe...just maybe..I might decide to become a part of this change here myself."
He received a standing ovation. Other than Obama, he stole the show. It made me feel good about Obama, that he invited speakers across party lines to speak at the event.
We looked at pictures of the event on msn later on that night. Me and my fiance were in the middle of the crowd and you could see us. Everyone I know wanted to see my pictures, including my right-wing relatives who find McCain a flaming liberal.
I did not get to shake Obama's hand, but almost. He missed my hand by an inch. But I was that close to him. It was amazing to see him in person and it was such a great thing for me to be able to see. We've been watching him on television since the early primaries and to see him in person--it was breathtaking. | |
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| Clinton and Obama in unity talks
Posted: 6/29/2008 9:22:09 PM | | You're certainly not alone, audrey. I've had a number of people tell me similar stories. When my son and his uncle came back from seeing Obama briefly (the event was so packed they couldn't get in so they saw him speak outside of the arena) they were pretty speechless too. What fun... | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 7:20:16 AM | Some people have a rock star reaction to certain politicians, but it means little. I knew a lot of people who felt that way about Clinton, including one of my girlfriends who went to the inaugural parties with me. Although both men and women could be charmed by Clinton, he had a special effect on certain women.
It entirely eluded me, even though I thought he was a good President.
However, that reaction doesn't make a man (or woman) a good candidate for office. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 6:57:00 PM | Obama is like Peter Pan the magician. He throws out a little bag of fairy dust called charisma. He hands out promises, nothing more. Promises and the hope of 'change'. How he plans to make this happen, no one really cares, so he doesn't have to explain much. Just keep promising that everyone can fly and join him in 'never land'. All he has to do is just look purdy and the crowds will gather. He toots his own horn and people are mesmerized. They actually believe what they are hearing is 'the future' and how can anyone so purdy lie to them. They don't know why they follow him, they just accpet the red coolade, and they know for a fact, he sure can talk purdy. Seems a little cultish to me.
They don't know, or care ,what he's saying because he isn't saying anything. But, what he's saying, sure is purdy.
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Posted: 6/30/2008 8:54:09 PM | Red, if you would like this country to continue in the direction that it has gone for the last 8 years, vote for McCain.
Your little rant about cult and all that nonsense is pure fearmongering and is showing your ignorance.
If you do not know what Obama's plans are then you need to find out and stop spreading rumors and lies.
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Posted: 7/1/2008 8:07:28 PM | The only thing good about this is that it once more puts Clinton in the limelight.
Ever notice how boring how this race is now with just Tweeddledee and Tweedledum in the news?
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| Clinton and Obama in unity talks
Posted: 7/1/2008 9:04:33 PM | Philly,
Yes it is not as exiting. I guess because we are discussing issues.
No, maybe I am wrong. I think I just made a misstatement.
I need to run, my home is under fire and I must flee to my room upstairs. I am sorry, it was just a misrememberance.
I am exhausted from the gym. Thank God LBJ signed the civil rights act or I would not be able to me member of my integrated gym.
Now, that is what we are missing.
No, at the gym this nurse told me about a patient that collapsed in her arms (due to stumped toe) because she had no health insurance and was from South Carolina were Jesse Jackson even won in the primaries.
But what baffled her was how she was included in part of a very important national convention helping present legislation that she wrote and develope, when they found pictures of her getting her hair and nails done.
OK Philly, that is a whole lot better.
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Now, back to the issues.
Did you guys see on Anderson 360 the lady that passed on the floor in the New York (I believe) hospital. We do need some help with our healthcare. Do you think Obama will allow Hillary to really assist with the healthcare plan? That may bring unity?
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:25:25 AM | OOOh now, now Brandy..Calm down. Theres no reason to get all huffy. Im really quite harmless. Its just my opinion.
No reason for you to take this personally and start bashing me for how I feel, unless your name is Obama. We both have a right to express ourselves. And what rumors are you talking about? That didnt even make sense to me. Are you the one ranting?
And, by the way, the truth as you* see it, is okay too. I wont take it personally nor say youre spreading lies or rumors. Its just your opinion and the truth as you see it.
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Posted: 7/2/2008 11:47:14 AM | What difference would Hillary helping with the healthcare plan make? ERs will still be overcrowded. The only change that health care reform will bring is more patients getting affordable insurance. And if you're talking Canadian type health care, which isn't on the table in the US, the ER waiting times up there are even worse.
A 10 percent reduction in physician fees is hitting Medicare next Tuesday. At the current time Medicare payments are still less than provided by major insurance companies, which is why doctors limit the number of Medicare patients they will take on. With a further 10 percent cut to the already terrible payments, doctors are now saying they won't take Medicare patients AT ALL.
If health care reform extends Medicare rather than putting the uninsured into FEHB or a similar program, then the currently uninsured won't be any better off than they are now. In fact, I think they would flood ERs at an even greater rate than they do now.
I don't forsee insurance reform taking the burden off the nation's ERs. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 1:20:12 PM |
Interesting that the more conservative people in this thread are the ones with the manners, where the left wingers just fling the insults.
OOhh...youve noticed that too, have you? | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 1:41:49 PM | teachpeace, Ive been to two of his rallies and it is very electric, a lot of fun, something powerful in the air.
I think Obama is a very sincere man and I am convinced of his integrity, whether he will do anything in office is another question........but you can feel in the air how much people want CHANGE, he certainly has tapped into the national pulse. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2008 4:30:46 PM | Today on CNN it was stated that about 10% of the Clinton followers decided not to vote at all.
Also, Bill Clintons ratings went down due to his behavior on the campaign trail. People thought he was going to support his wife, not attack Obama.
Many Hillary supporters (especially the 10% of the black population that supported her) have really begun asking Obama to select her as his VP.
Many of those elected officials that supported her are up for re-election and have a little fear they will not be re-elected if their districts etc. voted for Obama in great numbers (example Sheila Jackson Lee supported Clinton, but her district voted 90% Obama) really desire her on the ticket.
Hispanic and Catholic voters have moved over to Obama.
The democrats are uniting, but the die hard Clinton followers are really starting to look like the Ron Paul followers.
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Posted: 7/4/2008 5:18:46 PM | I think Hillary supporters are not going to support Obama. From today:
Poll: Some Clinton supporters still not embracing Obama
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- One week after Sen. Hillary Clinton made a public show of unity with Sen. Barack Obama, a new survey suggests supporters of the New York senator are increasingly less likely to follow her lead.
A growing number of Clinton supporters polled say they may stay home in November instead of casting their ballot for Obama, an indication the party has yet to coalesce around the Illinois senator four weeks after the most prolonged and at times divisive primary race in modern American history came to a close.
According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Friday, the number of Clinton supporters who plan to defect to Republican Sen. John McCain's camp is down from one month ago, but -- in what could be an ominous sign for Obama as he seeks to unify the party -- the number of them who say they plan to vote for Obama is also down, and a growing number say they may not vote at all.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/04/clinton.poll/
Time to go down for the beach for fireworks. Happy 4th to everyone. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2008 5:28:36 PM | Flyonthewall,
Yes, that is true (stated it in the posting on top of yours), but the question is should he care when.....
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July 3, 2008
Gallup Daily: Obama 47%, McCain 43%
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July 2, 2008
Hispanic Voters Solidly Behind Obama
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July 2, 2008
As Independents Shrink, Democrats Gain
Downward trend in independents is typical in election years
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Obama looks to turn Montana blue in the fall
By MATT GOURAS (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
July 04, 2008 6:20 AM EDT
HELENA, Mont. - Only two Democratic presidential candidates have carried Montana since 1948. Barack Obama is betting he can do it in November.
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But 10% of Clinton's followers say that now instead of supporting McCain, they just will not vote. Should we really worry about them?
Where do we go from here?
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Posted: 7/4/2008 5:55:25 PM |
He was at 35% then went to 59% now he has 54% of Clintons voters will support him.
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That number is significantly higher than it was in early June, when 35 percent of Democrats polled said they preferred Clinton to lead the party's presidential ticket.
Obama won 59 percent of support from registered Democrats polled in June; now he garners 54 percent.
"These things always take time to heal," said Bill Schneider, CNN senior political analyst. "I think Clinton's supporters are waiting to see if Sen. Obama will pick her as vice president. That would certainly be very healing to them."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/04/clinton.poll/ (SAME SOURCE YOU USED)
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Have a blessed day! | |
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Posted: 7/4/2008 10:06:09 PM |
Hispanic and Catholic voters have moved over to Obama.
Obama may get some of the Hispanics but no way is he gonna get the die-hard Catholics that don't believe in abortion. Sorry. Not on yer life will that happen. Most Hispanics here in TX were solid behind Hillary and most here are also devout Catholic. Obama's only hope is that he rakes the non devout over to his side, imo.
"Yet Obama's troubles winning actual Catholic voters in the Democratic primaries suggest he might have problems in the general election--unsurprising, perhaps, given what Nat Hentoff has described as Obama's "extremism" on the abortion issue. Obama has opposed every effort to protect unborn human life, including the Supreme Court's upholding of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act. Obama even voted against an anti-infanticide bill to protect the lives of babies who survive an abortion and are born alive."
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=15280&R=13B4013B74 | |
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Posted: 7/5/2008 12:16:36 PM | Well, he certainly has this die hard Catholic's vote.....one who is against abortion, however supports a woman's right to choose.
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Posted: 7/5/2008 5:32:41 PM | At this point in time abortion is really not the issue Roe vs. Wade will not be overturned. The issue is stem cell research. But, I truly feel most Americans are really worried about the economy. That overrides everything else.
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Will this help the democrats?
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Obama, Clinton to hold joint fundraisers in NY
From Associated Press
July 05, 2008 11:04 AM EDT
BUTTE, Mont. - Now that they're allies, Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton will help each other raise money in a series of fundraisers in New York next week.
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Posted: 7/5/2008 9:11:42 PM | Great news about Clinton and Obama fundraising together.
I meant to post this earlier. A new TIME Poll of Catholic voters reveal....
Although Obama was thought to have a "Catholic problem" during the Democratic primaries, in which Hillary Clinton won a majority of Catholic votes, he has pulled even with John McCain among that constituency — Obama now polls 44% to his G.O.P. opponent's 45%.
There are 47 million Catholic voters, and while they are too numerous and varied to speak of as a monolithic Catholic bloc, they have long been a kind of holy grail for presidential candidates. The winner of eight out of the past nine elections has captured a majority of Catholic votes (they voted for Al Gore in 2000), and there are large Catholic concentrations in key states like Florida, Ohio and New Mexico.
Obama 2008
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1819897,00.html | |
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