| Fighting for your honor
Posted: 6/29/2008 8:27:47 AM | He started wearing bulletproof vests and carrying a gun wherever he want. But who should go down if there no guns? I think the women I date are more likely to be able to use a gun than me (dead serious) lol.
No, especially if we have kids. I don't care if I die protecting her and them just as long as they make it out safe. She needs to stay alive to raise them. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 8:28:55 AM | | Your implying that women are better able to raise kids alone than men (whereas most studies show it to be opposite). I can die for my kids but dying for a woman is a fool's job. You'll be dead and she'll look for the next "protector". | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 8:30:23 AM | What I'm saying is that she and the kids come first. It's my responsibility to make sure that they have the best chance to come out safe and unharmed.
She is the mother of my children. She knows that I have the confidence in her to raise them right and that is my main concern. She has to make it out in one piece.
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| Fighting for your honor
Posted: 6/29/2008 8:33:35 AM | | If you say so. Life is too valuable to die for anyone except your kids. Kill for a woman maybe, die for a woman no (that's a fool's task). | |
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| Fighting for your honor
Posted: 6/29/2008 8:38:32 AM | Well if I find the right woman to bore me children, that in itself is a pretty big step as it should be for any man. I will die protecting her to no avail.
It doesn't mean I got a death wish. It does mean that I'm prepared to take matters into my own hands if someone was to break into my house and wish me or my family harm though. I'm not gonna go down without a fight. Let's put it that way. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 8:40:07 AM | | And she'll hook up with the next "protector" type within a few months (maybe even at the funeral) and he'll probably be younger now that all her assets are yours. have fun. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 8:45:53 AM |
And she'll hook up with the next "protector" type within a few months (maybe even at the funeral) and he'll probably be younger now that all her assets are yours. have fun.
I wouldn't expect her to stay alone for the rest of her life. That's absurd.
BTW, your reasoning makes it seem that I would settle for just any woman that comes along. Farthest from the truth. Yeah I need the looks and such, but for me to get to the point of having children with a woman, I have to have complete and total faith in her. It's not something I take lightly. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 8:51:42 AM | WHy do you think men didn't find it weird to give up their lives for women in the old days? Because those women wouldn't marry. For giving up their life they got loyalty.
I don't think most women in their late 30's want children. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 8:58:31 AM | I don't think most women your age want children.
I'm not limiting myself to just my age. Obviously I'm not looking to date a teenager but someone 5-10 years younger than me is not out of the question.
If I do find someone to have children with, fine. If not, that's fine too. That's beside the point. In either case, it won't stop me from putting a few .45's in someone if they break into my house. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 9:09:23 AM | | I think its safer to get the .45 and stay in your room and call the police. Its not that hard to be overpowered and have that gun be used to hurt you. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 9:12:44 AM |
I think its safer to get the .45 and stay in your room and call the police. Its not that hard to be overpowered and have that gun be used to hurt you.
That's your decision to make. I have no objections to it. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 9:13:23 AM | haha, i've talked my way out of 3 black guys wanting to take me down...they wanted to impress a gal they were with. the problem with fighting is that once it's done there could be sore feelings to cause one to kill the other at a later time. there's a way to humiliate a person by using logic - start off by asking how good they will feel after they accomplish their sought goal. If there's a woman around, she could be queried as to whether her happiness would be elevated by watching and if it'd make her proud of the guys she's with.
best to be in safe places and much of it would be avoided. just like when i was walking at midnight to kill my sex drive...though i didn't think foster city california would be unsafe at all, but there are locations that are dangerous no matter how safe the greater suroundings are. nightclubs, dance joints, notoriously bad or poorly lit places at night should be avoided, but if you live a fast life and can't avoid it, then good luck. Sometimes a situation will occur as in walking on a bar-ridden street on 6th stree between mission and market streets after merely playing chess at the SF chess club - in cases like this, it's time to give up frequenting the place or creating a longer route with no shortcuts.
If I am with a girl and several guys with guns drawn take her away I won't be stupid to fight - that's be the time to take in as much info and call 9-1-1. Much shorter of this, fierce talk or action might be recommended if the other's mind is corrupted by psychoactive drugs.
One of my past bestfriend is able to take down 99% of men easily, being built like a football player with 20" biceps from work, not a gym, and is a very angry white male that goes so deep to his character, but even a mexican that was behind him clobbered him on the head with a 2x4 and he could have been molested aftwerwards, lol, you know how some perverts are. Evidently a mexican made certain to get back at him for whatever reason. Revenge can happen as alluded to earlier. This guy, even if he was a woman's protector would have limitations that could easily be exposed. There's no great protection from ANY body, but weapons are the equilizers. | |
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| Fighting for your honor
Posted: 6/29/2008 9:17:31 AM |
Your implying that women are better able to raise kids alone than men (whereas most studies show it to be opposite). I can die for my kids but dying for a woman is a fool's job. You'll be dead and she'll look for the next "protector".
Why do you keep bringing up this "studies say" crap? What does that have to do with anything? Show me these "studies" that say men are more well equipped to raise children than women are because I wanna know why I got the shaft in this deal- I have to grow them, birth them, and feed them from my body, but I'm not the best choice for raising them because I'm a woman? I seriously ask, are you bitter about something? You wouldn't choose to save the life of the mother of your children because you read a study that says men are better parents?
...so enough with the bs that women love more
What's up with the "who loves who more" attitude as well? First you said you think that the person who loves the other more would be the one to take a bullet and now you're telling him to stfu about women loving more. Is your whole point to prove that women don't love anyone as much as men do? I'm cornfused.
I know men who were slapped by women in bars for some silly reason and their wives just stood there and you know if the guy faught back tyhere would be outrage. What type of woman allows another women to slap their man?
To answer your question, I'd be on the **** like white on rice. However didn't you just say not to play the tough guy because it will get you killed one day? (I don't know many women who slap guys for NO reason. Maybe your friend shouldn't be sliming in bars for tail with his wife there?)
And she'll hook up with the next "protector" type within a few months (maybe even at the funeral) and he'll probably be younger now that all her assets are yours. have fun.
Oh.dear.god. So now, we ONLY want a protector and as soon as he gets offed we'll just go find another one right away, wait for him to get offed and find another one. What? | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 10:08:06 AM | "Hmmmm now this is an interesting one. What do you term a "domestic dispute". Are you talking about a purely verbal altercation or like my example of the son hitting his mother? By the way, the son was prob about 20yo, 6ft tall and BIG all over. He didn't just "playfully" hit her either, he really laid one on her!! I'm sorry but if I see a man belting a woman, I'm going to do something about it. And yes if I say see a woman belting up a man, I would do something about that too. As for the scenario of me in the supermarket with my ex. He was clearly hurting me and I was clearly trying to get away from him."
If it's a verbal altercation I'd butt out but a physical one I get why you did what you did however This guy has no qualms about hitting his own mother what's stopping him from hitting you? I'm not saying you shouldnt have done anything but you never know what might happen. I guess that's the risk you take.
It's really hard to say what I'd do if I saw something like that, Since I've never encountered a situation where I saw a woman or anyone getting physically abused in public. However I know how you feel I was once assaulted by a drunk in my college residence when I was in college and nobody did jacksh*t There were atleast a dozen people who saw what happened and none of them did or said anything. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 10:11:49 AM |
What's up with the "who loves who more" attitude as well? First you said you think that the person who loves the other more would be the one to take a bullet and now you're telling him to stfu about women loving more. Is your whole point to prove that women don't love anyone as much as men do? I'm cornfused.
in reference to children not adults.
(I don't know many women who slap guys for NO reason. Maybe your friend shouldn't be sliming in bars for tail with his wife there?)
she crashed into the dude and spilled her drink on both of them. she was also drunk. his wife just stood there. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 1:20:16 PM | john.duke12...let's review some of your posts...
well how do you know that would do anything to them? 50 cent got hit 9 times and it skyrocketed his career.
He may not have died, but he was put down, couldn't defend himself anymore, and did have to get a ride to the hospital... *shrugs* Pretty sure 3 rounds of .45 would do pretty much the same, even if you didn't take kill shots.
And she'll hook up with the next "protector" type within a few months (maybe even at the funeral) and he'll probably be younger now that all her assets are yours.
This is assuming that she had no feelings whatsoever for him in the first place. Someone sounds bitter.
Kill for a woman maybe, die for a woman no (that's a fool's task).
Killing for a woman is a smarter idea than dying for one?? I don't know, but I rather be dead (where she could hook up with the next protecter at the funeral) than in jail (where she could hook up with the next protecter at the sentencing or earlier). :rolleyes:
I think its safer to get the .45 and stay in your room and call the police.
Safer...yes...
It could just be a paranoid possibility of a noise. With children in the house, a lot of unexplained noises are really just nothing to begin with.
she crashed into the dude and spilled her drink on both of them. she was also drunk. his wife just stood there.
So, a drunk slaps a guy for a misunderstanding, and the g/f should get all up in the drunk's face about it? Hell, if I was the guy, I'd probably laugh about the slap, considering I knew it was a simple misunderstanding with a drunk person. If the drunk continued to harass me, I'd give her a few choice words of my own (and probably warn her about my next step)...if it continued I'd just have her removed from the bar, or I'd remove myself and go somewhere else. I wouldn't expect or want my g/f to get all pissy about it.
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This guy has no qualms about hitting his own mother what's stopping him from hitting you?
An assault charge, which I'd have no problems pressing (and neither should anyone else) depending on the situation. In this case, yea I'd say something too. Whether he looks like he could lay me out or not, it's still behaviour that is uncalled for. Only once did I almost hit my mom in a serious manner. At the time, I was 16 (a typical teen) and 5'11" and she's 5'10" and she hit me first, I had overpowered her (no easy task when I was 130lbs soaking wet, and she was a solid 190). Luckily my sister pulled me back. It's complete disrespect and very immature, I don't care how big of a b!tch your mom may be.
It's a bit of a touchy subject to interject or not...I try not to interfere with personal issues between a couple, anymore. It is often comes with resentment when the help was unasked for, as opposed to appreciation. But if there is obvious physical abuse, I'd probably step in.
All that aside. Verbal altercations can usually be calmed. I haven't really had many experiances where I've seen verbal (or physical) abuse in public by sober people (such as the mother/son situation). I don't have a problem with men hitting women when physically provoked (even though it's not widely accepted). Real abuse is not acceptable though.
Sometimes when people get drunk they lose judgement and a fight will break out, but it's all how you talk to and relate to people. Most people I know/met are fairly reasonable (this includes a lot of people from large cities), even when drunk. Most people don't go out looking for trouble. You just have to treat them like people and talk to them in a calm manner. Coercing drunk people to do what you need them to do (for example, calming down) is fairly easy given you are calm and not screaming at them. Those who are looking for trouble, are unreasonable and pretty much unstoppable without physical force. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 2:18:53 PM |
My main reason for asking this question is to get various opinions on what would women want men to do in a similar situation. Would they want them to jump in? Run for help? Give a yell?
by the time you run for help she could have been murdered, give a yell?...some people look the other way....jump in?...you may appear to be out numbered and like you said, you're a tall man watching in her shadows, you did the right thing even knowing in the back of your mind there might be a risk.
i was 10 years old and grabbed by 4 boys...i yelled "fire" and a person looked out their door and went back inside. there was no one to help me but once i yelled out they ran off.
i've never had the chance for any man to defend me although it must be really nice to have someone there for you. regardless of when it happened, as op mentioned, it is a valid topic.
I know women who would just hide under the covers and then have the guts to ask for support because she's scared. Yea okay you were scared? You hid under the covers?
now that's just too funny....my stb ex hubby was the one that stayed in bed while i went to see what the noise was. i didn't have any weapons with me unless you want to call a 2 1/2" heel shoe a weapon. i went back into the bedroom and cracked him up beside the head for not setting the house alarm....the noise turned out to be one of the neighbors getting home from work....out walls were paper thin. now that i live alone i have to find some way to protect myself...i have a hand gun and will use it only if my life is threatened. my neighbors here in the trailer park ignore any noises they hear outside of their own home.
NEVER mess with a woman's child
remember that when you're walking in between a mother bear and her cubs....she would attack on instinct just as a mother would with her kids. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 3:08:03 PM |
having been in situations far more threatening... I prefer an action guy not a talker. To know he's there and I am safe...priceless! I've never seen someone talk an attacker into walking away.
i had a guy chase me and turned me around to have a gun pulled on me inches from my face i was able to talk a crazy coke head to back off and calm down.
fyi talking is the best first step. try to calm him down or make him feel secure , and you too, then shock and awe. talking also helps determine how much of a threat he is. in general the longer you talk the less the serious threat. rushing at them is risky especially at a group your lucky they were wimps. you could only get one then what would you do about the others? theyd be on you as soon as you connected with one guy. unless you have a martial arts background i wouldnt suggest doing it again next time one of them might have a weapon.
ladies i cant stress this enough take a self defense course at any martial arts studio. not only will they prepare you mentally but they can also provide you with discrete self defense weapons even improvised weapons. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 3:11:18 PM |
she would attack on instinct just as a mother would with her kids.
are you implying that men don't have that same instinct over their children? i'd disagree that its better to attack a father than a mother. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 3:34:56 PM | no, i'm not saying that, any single parent has the primal instinct to protect their young but it's more mothers that are single and have to protect their young then it is fathers.
now, why would you disagree that it's better to attack a father then a mother? sure, women these days know how to handle themselves but i always thought that it's the masculine one that should stand up and defend the woman.
hell, i'm going back to the gun range to get in better shape with my gun and also hopefully learn how to be able to protect myself single handedly (i have a bum arm) since a guy wouldn't stand up to protect me. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 3:50:32 PM |
no, i'm not saying that, any single parent has the primal instinct to protect their young but it's more mothers that are single and have to protect their young then it is fathers.
i meant that in a married couple people assume she will defend the child better. when fathers have the instinct to protect their children.
sure, women these days know how to handle themselves but i always thought that it's the masculine one that should stand up and defend the woman.
My parents always told me if there was a noise both should go down together and protect the children at all costs. children first, spouses equal. I never lumped women in with children. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 8:23:31 PM |
To know he's there and I am safe...priceless! I've never seen someone talk an attacker into walking away.
Just because he's there and trying to protect, doesn't mean you're safe. Him either. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 6:32:35 AM |
Just because he's there and trying to protect, doesn't mean you're safe. Him either.
I think every man and woman who can afford it should take some martial art classes. Taking on 3 guys would be easier if both of you knew how to fight. But fighting should be a last resort.
In todays society, people are afraid to step in and help a stranger in danger, it's really sad.
Because they have the right idea. There was a story on how this guy believed it was his duty to protect all women and one day he saw a woman being assaulated. He intervened and died. The guy had 4 daughters and a wife. Was it smart of him to leave them without a husband and dad for some strange woman?
Its not like women even care what happens to men. Look at every movie the woman stands there screaming while the man is being beaten to death. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 7:22:21 AM |
I think every man and woman who can afford it should take some martial art classes.
Honestly, it's not going to do you very much good. Most martial arts aren't designed for street fighting; they are designed for competitions. Most of what you learn is not suitable for the real world unless you've been studying for years upon years and are a very high ranking belt- then you'd probably have a chance at kicking some ass on the street.
A simple self-defense class can go a long way in giving you the basics on what to do and not to do, but again, in the heat of the moment you're likely not to remember how to properly knee a guy in the groin or poke his eyes out. The best thing you can do is learn how to avoid dangerous situations which is probably the most valuable thing you'd get out of a self-defense class. Head up, walk with a purpose, be aware of surroundings, don't sit in your car after shopping piddling around, lock doors and drive off, etc. If I'm somewhere that I don't feel particularly comfortable, I carry my keys with them sticking out between my fingers. They can make a good weapon. 
Its not like women even care what happens to men. Look at every movie the woman stands there screaming while the man is being beaten to death.
You seem to believe a lot of movies. I can't figure out if you're bitter or if you're trying to start a gender fight. Either way, you're wrong. | |
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| Fighting for your honor
Posted: 6/30/2008 9:25:00 AM | you could have told them to fall back first, but then that may have given them a time to do something crazy like a grab a weapon. kicking ass and asking questions last is definitely the way to go in that scenario | |
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