| $7 Per Gallon For Gas?!$!
Posted: 6/28/2008 2:17:11 PM |
I am so sick of hearing about ele. cars, water cars, ride a bike, walk when there is still enough of oil in our own country to last for years.
You want Government to take over the oil companies?
We don't own the oil when we sell it or give it to the Oil companies.
(no royalties are paid on Alaska Off shore oil and other locations)
The oil would be sold on the open market...
It does not matter if the oil would last us 100 years...it would go on the open market for a Profit... thats what oil companies do. | |
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| $7 Per Gallon For Gas?!$!
Posted: 6/28/2008 2:37:15 PM |
Alot of people will die and then all of the stupid envirmentalist can have thier trees and animals.
The USA's oil reserves are about 2% of the world's total oil reserves. Drilling in every conceivable location would not even double this and it would take decades to realize.
Meanwhile, the USA consumes 25% of the what the oil consumes. That's about 21 million barrels of oil PER DAY.
It's not environmentalists that are causing America's energy problems. Prices are high because it's a scarce resource and demand has been growing by double digit numbers in the developing world, in places like China, India, Brazil and Russia. For every American who cuts back on his driving, there are many in the rest of the world who are increasing their energy consumption.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_con-energy-oil-consumption
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves | |
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| $7 Per Gallon For Gas?!$!
Posted: 6/28/2008 5:35:48 PM |
For every American who cuts back on his driving, there are many in the rest of the world who are increasing their energy consumption.
I have to wonder how these developing countries can afford to increase their demand for oil yet people in the developed nations can't?
After all, how can people who work for a dollar a day afford even $1 a gallon?
I don't know, just can't get my head around that one. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 7:30:12 PM | I am so sick of hearing about ele. cars, water cars, ride a bike, walk when there is still enough of oil in our own country to last for years. I've had it with environmentalists dictating how we should live our lives.. how much toilet paper I can use...etc.. for cripe sake who do they think they are! | |
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| $7 Per Gallon For Gas?!$!
Posted: 6/28/2008 7:35:33 PM | | i think you need to correct the statement. we have enough oil in our country to last FOUR years.....not FOR years. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 7:41:35 PM | | This is to BUGGSY. There was an article in Business Week a few weeks ago that explained how some developing countries pay for gas. It was centered on India. India's government nationally owned gas companies and control the prices. From the article it has put a strain on the state subsidized gas companies. | |
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| $7 Per Gallon For Gas?!$!
Posted: 6/29/2008 3:57:41 AM | All those countries where our jobs are being exported have growing middle classes, with rising expectations. India is coming out with cars that sell new for just a couple of thousand dollars. Presumably China will be doing something similar. I'm guessing that even someone earning 1/10 what a North American does will have no problem buying a $2000 car if there's financing.
The mind-bogglingly stupid thing is that only lip-service seems to be paid to coming up with alternative fuel sources. Hydrogen is complicated and expensive. Ethanol is simply an excuse to subsidize farmers and buy rural votes.
Nobel prize winning scientists have suggested that it would be practical to switch to a methanol economy. Flex fuel vehicles will burn it already, and many others can be converted relatively easily. It requires no big changes to fuel shipping and retailing. It can be made from various things which aren't food. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol_economy | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 5:25:05 AM | | bassbindevil... after reading your link.. do you think the advantages of Methanol outweight the disadvantages? | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 6:12:51 AM |
India is coming out with cars that sell new for just a couple of thousand dollars. Presumably China will be doing something similar .
They already are, bass. A few years ago, the Chinese came out with a light truck/SUV type vehicle for under $10,000 US. A new car is the ultimate status symbol with the emerging middle class in China, so don't expect oil to go back to $20 per barrel anytime soon.
The CBC did a documentary with the New York Times and other media outlets called China Rises. It's worth a look. The pace of change over there is jaw-dropping. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 6:56:42 AM |
The mind-bogglingly stupid thing is that only lip-service seems to be paid to coming up with alternative fuel sources. Hydrogen is complicated and expensive. Ethanol is simply an excuse to subsidize farmers and buy rural votes.
Low tech Carbon Neutral Ethanol. $4 a gallon. Henry Ford called Ethanol the fuel of the future in the 20's....
John D Rockefeller delayed the fuel of the future about a 100 years....
>>>>>>>>Today is the anniversary of the Ludlow massacre.... Rockefeller murdered 11 children....
>>>>>>>>I guess it was OK because the parents were killed to>>>>>>>>>
"It really is a one-two combination that no other company can deliver," Woods told Reuters in an interview this week.
The company has signed an $850 million deal with a Mexican company BioFields to grow algae, one of the planet's first life forms, that has been trained to convert water, sunlight, and the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide into motor fuel.
Algenol plans to make 100 million gallons of ethanol, about the average annual capacity of one traditional U.S. distillery, in Mexico's Sonoran Desert by the end of the 2009. By the end of 2012, it plans to increase that to 1 billion gallons -- more than 10 percent of current ethanol capacity in the United States, the world's top ethanol producer.
And algae's carbon-absorbing potential could be an advantage. Each 100 million gallons of ethanol from algae will absorb about 1.5 million tonnes of carbon dioxide, the company said. That gives Woods confidence that algae-to-ethanol is better emissions reduction technique than capturing the gas at power plants and socking it away underground. As a former natural gas company executive, he said he does not put faith in storing any gas underground permanently.
Paul Woods claimed that Algenol’s system can produce 6,000 gallons of ethanol per acre per year, far more than corn’s rate of 370 gallons per acre per year or sugar cane’s at 890 gallons per acre per year. Its process absorbs 90% of the CO2 that is fed to the algae bioreactors. Between 50-70% percent of the CO2 goes into ethanol
Too bad...... this is in Mexico and the ethanol is going to Mexico City to clean up the air....
A major expense in the project was to build a coal power plant to provide CO2 food for the algae......
If only this country had some desert land, salt water and CO2....
If we use enough coal West Virginia will be flat and kind of desert like...
How long will that take? The amount of explosives used in W/Virginia every week is equal to the power of the Hiroshima bomb....
http://www.algenolbiofuels.com/
India is on the Verge of a giant leap.... Auto ownership is about 1/10th that of China....
Tatra has a car for $2500 with an Airbag..... Is that better than a scooter for a family of 5?
Gas Prices are going UP<<<<<<<<<
Grow hemp.... algae...... | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 7:28:33 AM | Brazil seems to be doing well with sugar cane ethanol. We've got to come up with a way of growing this stuff on land that is not prime arable land. Otherwise, we just substitute one problem (high food prices) for another (high fuel prices).
As the oil age winds down, we're going to see tough choices like this. As the world's use of oil increased, so did the world's population. An enormous amount of energy and work was unleashed when we discovered how to use oil to power the world.
As the cost of subsistence rises, starvation could become more common. That would help ease the pressures on scarce resources but there's got to be a better way. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 8:23:17 AM | Sugar cane is still low production per acre compared to Algae, Hemp, Jatropha, others.
These are sustainable, close to carbon neutral, and help local economies.
The problem is a giant industry.... OIL.......
In most states a store contracted with major oil...(is there any other kind)....
can not have an ethanol pump near the gas pumps.
Who is going to build the alternate fuel delivery Infrastructure?
OIl controls energy markets >>>>>>>>>They KILL Competition. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 8:30:16 AM | 2 Trillion barrels of oil are estimated in the United States Oil-Shale Reserves (USGS)
- 580 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in Russia's Arctic Ocean Shelf (Source)
- 400 Billion barrels of oil are estimated under the Arctic Ocean (Source)
- 175 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the Oil Sands of Alberta, Canada (AGS)
- 86 Billion barrels of oil are estimated on the Outer Continental Shelf of the United States (MMS)
- 32 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in ANWR, NPRA and the Central North Slope in Alaska (USGS)
- 31.4 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the East Greenland Rift Basins Province (USGS)
- 15 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in Jack field in the Gulf of Mexico (Source)
- 7.3 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the West Greenland–East Canada Province (USGS)
- 4.3 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the Bakken shale formation in North Dakota and Montana, United States (USGS)
- 214 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the Illinois Basin, United States (USGS)
Alaska’s Gull Island Oil Fields Could Power U.S. for 200 Years
Bioenergy Could Do More Harm Than Good (Greenpeace)
Biofuel Crops That Require Destroying Native Ecosystems Worsens Global Warming ( WWF)
Carbon Mitigation by Biofuels or by Saving and Restoring Forests? ( UOCS)
Ethanol comes with environmental impact, despite green image (USA Today)
Ethanol Fuels Fire Concerns (ABC News)
Ethanol Vehicles Pose Significant Risk To Health, New Study Finds (Green peace)
Indonesia's palm oil boom takes environmental toll (WWF)
Jane Goodall says biofuel crops hurt rain forests (Reuters)
Rapeseed Biofuel Produces More Greenhouse Gas Than Oil or Petrol (The Times, UK)
Rush To Produce Corn-based Ethanol Will Worsen 'Dead Zone' In Gulf Of Mexico, Study Says (Science Daily)
Some Biofuels Are Worse Environmentally Than Fossil Fuels, Analysis Shows (Freinds of the earth)
Ethanol May Add to Global Warming (USA Today)
We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects…. We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently settled land.
David Foreman, Earth First
The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States: We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the U.S. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are. And it is important to the rest of the world to make sure that they don’t suffer economically by virtue of our stopping them.
Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund
What we’ve got to do in energy conservation is try to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, to have approached global warming as if it is real means energy conservation, so we will be doing the right thing anyway in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.
Timothy Wirth, former U.S. Senator (D-Colorado)
If you ask me, it’d be a little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy because of what we would do with it. We ought to be looking for energy sources that are adequate for our needs, but that won’t give us the excesses of concentrated energy with which we could do mischief to the earth or to each other.
Amory Lovins in The Mother Earth–Plowboy Interview, Nov/Dec 1977, p.22 | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 9:15:41 AM | | The Point is we have lots of oil .. Biofuel is not the answer.. Gas should not be $7.00. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 9:24:22 AM | Sure gas in going to drop in price.....
When India grows its car market to keep pace with China, demand is going to go down?
When the Oil comes out of the Ground it is NO longer OUR oil.
Or do you want to Nationalize the oil industry? Oil would be sold on the "free Market". | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 10:02:18 AM | EVEN IF there were gazillions of barrels of oil in US ground and offshore and we could go for 200 years at 15 mpg, do we want to? I guess if you say yes, you have to be a climate change denier....how convenient... ... oh, but wait, let me guess...........
.....so it's like this, as dig out all that oil and the price goes back down..........THEN WE WILL START TO REDUCE OIL CONSUMPTION.....riiiiiiiiight? THEN, car makers will start producing more fuel-efficient engines and hybrids and electric cars en masse, when gas is cheap again.......and we dont feel any pinch........
....and by the way, I have a bridge for sale.......cheap. Anyone interested?  | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 10:10:15 AM |
...and by the way, I have a bridge for sale.......cheap. Anyone interested?
You have to market the sale of Bridges and Toll roads to Spain not on POF..... | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 10:49:31 AM | Our gas prices may seem cheap compared to other industrialized countries but they don't spend nearly as much as we do on health care and they have the same grade of care and sometimes better. Like Japan.
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Posted: 6/29/2008 12:05:19 PM | | NERO! So, true, I see greed and gluttony still going strong. Gas can get to $20 a gallon and they will still be spending. The rest of us will not be able to eat anymore or pay our bills, and will let our cars get repossessed because they are useless anyway, can't put gas in them. But maybe something good will come of it. Maybe the country will start rethinking the design of cities and increase funding on public transportation, start more farm co-ops. Or, maybe many of us will just drop out of society, join an ecovillage and live off the grid. Or move to a country that runs itself better. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 12:32:25 PM |
I have to wonder how these developing countries can afford to increase their demand for oil yet people in the developed nations can't?
That's a good question, buggsy. My guess is that the poorest in those countries can't afford to consume more. It's the emerging middle class within those developing nations that are driving up prices.
In most places on the planet, energy consumption is much lower per capita than it is in North America. If you're only using power to keep a small refrigerator going, you might be able to pay more because it's a fairly small part of the household budget and it's somewhat essential. By contrast, we in North America have gotten use to having abundant and cheap energy. Much of the world would look at our energy use as frivolous and wasteful. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 12:39:13 PM | The biggest of those emerging nations, China, uses US debt (including the massive 'war' debt) to subsidize their increased oil consumption.
We are paying for it, not only to make gas cheaper for their citizens/economy......but we've devalued our own dollar so it takes more of them to buy a gallon of petrol in the US!
Any of you Red Staters still think the adminstration you voted for is a 'conservative' one? | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 2:43:47 PM | | erik..well how come those who know more than you say otherwise..or i guess you are an expert here like you are in economics, | |
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| $7 Per Gallon For Gas?!$!
Posted: 6/29/2008 2:54:49 PM |
The rest of us will not be able to eat anymore or pay our bills, and will let our cars get repossessed because they are useless anyway, can't put gas in them Right but our taxes will still be going towards paying for our Representatives and Senators so they will still be able to drive their pricy cars and fly their huge jets that we are paying for while we lose our vehicles... something is quite wrong with that picture. | |
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