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Posted: 6/29/2008 1:31:06 PM | I am a vegetarian from knowledge and experience. I do not support or condone extremists and politic groups.
Wonder, my grandparents were cattle farmers and my brother-in-law also has his little ranch.
I don't mind you eating meat, but I do mind you do not kill the cow and the others in the line up with a headgun yourself, it is a nice picture when the shot fails (30%) and the other animals on the line have to watch, waiting for their time to die - on the mill.
I know the human population needs food - though not the only one hungry specie on lit'l earth, but not necessarily meat. Among us " humans" ... meat, it is sold as much as sex appeal, and you all believers of the propaganda eat up the commercials with no any thoughts - also it's a nice picture of barbarians ripping each other for a piece of meat, but it does not mean we're carnivores.
Really carnivores kill their praythemselves. Again, not quite a "human" thing.
Just for the record, the human specie is omnivore:
Omnivores (from Latin: omne all, everything; vorare to devour) are species that eat both plants and animals as their primary food source. They are opportunistic, general feeders not specifically adapted to eat and digest either meat or plant material exclusively. Pigs are one well-known example of an omnivore. Crows are another example of an omnivore that many people see every day. Humans are omnivores as well.
I do not eat plants exclusively, there are substitutes for meat and all the additives that comes with a cattle mass-production, be it grass fed or otherweise. Tell me no s*hit, I grew up in a farm business.
Now I would like to sell you a safari tour, so you have the opportunity to kill all the meat you can eat... including well known meat diseases. If we were carnivores, diseases would be digested somehow nicely in a carnivore digestive system, now...
Mad cow disease anyone? What's about mercury filled Tuna? Spinach poisoning is by far not that bad if sprayed with antrax on schedule..., and do any scientist (magically) without any bias approve Tofu sources or will anyone again throw it on the fan by generalizations?
I really don't mind that you eat meat... just do not talk and attack vegetarians like a mad cow... you will die soon anyways... and I will be watching you on the dead row... with no any feelings for your meat or blood...  | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 2:00:49 PM | I don't care if someone is vegetarian or omivorous or a full out carnivore. Vegetarian diets are actually good for many people; but not all. Penecillin is good for some people but will kill some others so then what; we start making everyone use penecillin because it's good for ya?? It makes about as much sense...
I respect anyone's right to eat as they choose. I just don't care to have someone else's choices shoved up my orifices & force me to conform to their preferences; be it food, medicine, religion, or whatever. Thankfully, all of my orifices are far too small for egos that large. Frankly, I don't care what other people eat; but don't tell me what to eat or how to think or feel.
I believe in educating people about the treatment recieved in raising & processing our foods; all of our foods from animals to frankenfoods. People should know where their food comes from or at least the opportunity to know (if they care). My personal belief about the food that I eat is that if I am willing to eat it, I should also be willing to take the responsiblility of killing it. I have hunted, fished, raised my own chickens, pigs, & had many a garden throughout my life & I have taken the lives first hand of some of my food. I don't push that on others though. I take responsibility for my actions & others are free to make their own choices.
Thank you for the giggle about the turnips. There is never a time where humor should be left out of life. IMO. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 3:20:03 PM |
Mad cow disease anyone? What's about mercury filled Tuna? Spinach poisoning is by far not that bad if sprayed with antrax on schedule..., and do any scientist (magically) without any bias approve Tofu sources or will anyone again throw it on the fan by generalizations?
I really don't mind that you eat meat... just do not talk and attack vegetarians like a mad cow... you will die soon anyways... and I will be watching you on the dead row... with no any feelings for your meat or blood...
Mad cow is a problem because farmers feed their cattle other dead cows duh! They are not carnivores or even omnivores.
Mercury filled tuna ....... well what do you expect from a high end level predator exposed to toxic chemicals where the smaller fish it eats are also exposed to the chemicals? Now a nice 3 Lb trout..... now you are talking.
Tofu? Do you not know the effect of mass soy farming on the land? And you claim to be from a farming background....
Spinach poisoning is not bad?  I suppose neither is the myriad of other illnesses to come out of California farming of fruits and vegetables in the last 2 years or the Texan tomatoes that ended up creating a ban on Mexican tomatoes which were never linked to the illness.
Even "organic" farming practices in north america are a farce. Arsenic powder is "organic" yum let's sprinkle some arsenic on my salad.
Now the bold part.... Speaks volumes as to your character. To bad I'll likely out live you barring an unforeseen accident. And for the love of whatever you hold dear learn english when you want to post in english forums please. Your point gets watered down when we get a headache simply reading your post. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 5:16:37 PM | Dlibby,
Please do some homework and look up an episode of Penn and Teller: Bullsh.it! regarding PETA.
In 1995, PETA gave Rodney Coronado (a self-confessed arsonist) $45,200. That is only in that year alone. Sentenced to 57 months in prison for an arson (Michigan State University Research Lab).
Are you really proud to be a member of an organization that condones arson and other domestic terrorism, even if you don't personally condone it yourself? Fortunately, with the exception of Al Qaeda, we don't investigate people (and unlawfully detain people) solely based on their ties or support of a group.
PETA could go about the activism in much better ways, but in the end they are only shooting themselves in the foot. They will never truly convince the world to give up meet, when all the carnivorous non-humans don't give up the same.
Also, look in the animal world. How many lions, tigers, sharks and other predatory carnivores treat their dinners humanely. How many of these poor animals suffer before they are dealt the killing blow. Yes, the example is absurd, but the point being when the rest of the animal kingdom has no "conscience" about how quickly their meals die, are we as humans doing anything worse.
Yes, I've seen videos of animal cruelty, and yes, there are probably plenty of people out there who get joy out of seeing animals suffer, and probably enter careers that allow them to continue this. I do not condone it, and am opposed to animal cruelty, but I am not opposed to eating meat.
The unhealthiness of meat has far more to do with how it's prepared and what other things the person consumes in their diet. I eat meat (more or less every day), and I am relatively healthy. I can guarantee that if I ate meat almost exclusively that I'd have very low cholesterol and a very low risk of heart attack. In fact I can eat whatever I want, and be healthier than someone who is careful about what they eat (I had some tests done several years ago and the doctor was floored by the results). If you have any links or sources that prove how unhealthy meat is, please provide them. Just make sure those studies aren't looking at fast food sources of meat 
The main reason that would cause me to eat less meat is the cost of the stuff, and maybe if vegetarian tasted better. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 6:41:59 PM |
Atleast she made more sense then you who speaks english.
I'm sure she can read between the lines as others have
Raising the bar on a silly topic.
I don't mind you eating meat, but I do mind you do not kill the cow and the others in the line up with a headgun yourself, it is a nice picture when the shot fails (30%) and the other animals on the line have to watch, waiting for their time to die - on the mill.
Sorry but I really doubt 30% is an acurate number. That would be too inefficient and the lost time would cost money. We do not kill our own animals ourselves because that would also be a very inefficient use of our time and we would not have the skill to do it well without practice.
I am not really sure why it would be necessary either. I am sure each of us would want to be a butcher a baker or a candlestick maker but there are other jobs that needs to be done.
Now I would like to sell you a safari tour, so you have the opportunity to kill all the meat you can eat... including well known meat diseases. If we were carnivores, diseases would be digested somehow nicely in a carnivore digestive system, now...
That is ok, the meat I buy is relativity disease free.
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters
Posted: 6/29/2008 7:22:13 PM | No; I dont think most celebrities are 'normal' people- what I meant by that is- they make a lot more money that the 'normal' person- who can't afford the vegtarian diet that is going to get even more expensive.. Saying that because someone disagrees with you is not educated is snotty.
as for those minks- they were born in captivity, and had no idea of how to survive- I mentioned that I disagreed with wearing fur right? why weren't they just adopted?? If people can have ferrets as pets, why not minks?
As for looking at the steak in the trash- I don't know if that was aimed at me but I don't buy steak. What I do buy- I don't waste.Assuming again........ What do I do for the environment? I recycle- I even take home plastic bags from the hotel I work at- and give them to the health food store. Yes, the bad meat eater goes to the health food store- thats where I get chocolate bars that are fair trade- and money from them goes to wild animals- like the wolves. I also get my organic whole wheat flour, oats, honey and yummy hemp bars. I also grow some veggies at home and compost. Hows that?? | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 7:39:53 PM | PETA has done more good then harm I guess that's a matter of opinion.
I personally don't believe PETA has done any good.
The spend money on advertising campaigns trying to promote their narrow-minded "meat is evel", or "fur is evil", agenda than on actually doing anything good at all. They also seem more focused on attention-seeking and sensationalizing than they do on spreading actual facts or information.
If these people were really concerned with animal welfare, wouldn't they be volunteering to protect and restore animal habit????
One of the biggest threats to animal survival in the world today isn't people eating meat, or wearing fur. It's loss of habititat.
Did you know that the biggest groups (other than governments) that are responsible for protection and restoration of animal habititat in North America today are groups of sport hunters and fishermen?
How many acres of wildlife habibitatt has PETA protected? They'd rather be collecting money from gullible donors and spending it on huge ad campaigns full of mis-information.
And some people have had their legitimate means of earning a living damaged by the mis-information spread by PETA.
PETA is an organization for radicals only. Anyone else supporting them is either willfully blind or a bit slow. PETA consists of radicals.
But those radicals earn the money to finance their activities by using mis-information to solicate support from unsuspecting members of the general public.
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Posted: 6/29/2008 7:54:18 PM |
If these people were really concerned with animal welfare, wouldn't they be volunteering to protect and restore animal habit????
One of the biggest threats to animal survival in the world today isn't people eating meat, or wearing fur. It's loss of habititat.
Did you know that the biggest groups (other than governments) that are responsible for protection and restoration of animal habititat in North America today are groups of sport hunters and fishermen?
How many acres of wildlife habibitatt has PETA protected? They'd rather be collecting money from gullible donors and spending it on huge ad campaigns full of mis-information.
This is true. Sport hunters and fishermen...and women pay 21 percent tax on the stuff they buy for hunting and fishing. This goes towards protecting wildlife and wild lands as well as stocking programs. All those game preserves you drive by? Yeah, the ones that don't allow hunting? It was the hunters and fishermen that bought those, and pay to staff them.
And NO.....the money doesn't come from the general fund.
All groups like PETA, GREEN PEACE, and ALF do is get in the way of groups that are really trying to benefit animals. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 6:24:12 AM | in all fairness to dlibby i apologize for being a little rude.
i read your profile and i think you are a decent human being with your own thoughts and after giving it a lot of thought i truly apologize. and no, no one has sent me any threatening emails, if they had i would just send some back. i did however email dlibby to apologize for my rudness and wanted to do so on POF as well.
we live in a great country where we are encouraged to have our own thoughts and are given those right under the constitution. i applaud dlibby and anyone else who has the balls to stand up for what they believe in.
just think of all the other country's in the world where people don't have the rights we do.
well its time to get off my soap box and put my clothes on and go home. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 8:18:09 AM | Yes and there are organizations that protect those issues. The most rediculous statement made so far is that hunters are responsible for protection and restoration.
PETA or any other organization can't save the world but their mission is to stop animal cruelty. Everyone is stuck on the PETA thing and avoiding the real issue to justify their lifestyle and that is their choice but atleast investigate the true facts instead of getting sucked into some of the negativity the media has fed you. BTW I have made one donation to PETA which was the initial joining. I have not paid PETA a cent more due to my current situation. Legitimate means? Are you kidding? KFC has had to change their ways of handling their chickens which was caught on video. They are now
conforming to more humane practices. Which PETA had joined with Farm Sanctuary to impose the new policy. I suppose Farm Sanctuary is radical to. Their has been a tremendous amount of victories which some of you odviously are not aware of and don't want to know. Whenever there is a claim, I always follow up with the source. Not the media!!!
A bit slow? I have been debating with people who have made some comments that couldn't be validated if their life depended on it not to mention some very elementary ones. And again it is about animal cruelty which some of you have and continue to avoid because it is something that takes place everyday but easier to ignore. As long as your food makes it to your dinner plate it's a mute issue. Another enteresting fact is that most of the opposing members are from certain parts of the country. Other members who are advocates have contacted me personally have said they choose not to comment on the issue due to the lack of public knowledge and resistance. I now understand that. In any case I am going to continue my efforts and energy through all organizations who support animals and spend less time debating with those who continue to turn the other way. I wish all of you luck with your search. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 8:43:05 AM |
PETA or any other organization can't save the world but their mission is to stop animal cruelty.
then why does PETA pay to have produced "animal cruelty videos". Some are very sick but remember they are paid for by the people claiming to be AGAINST cruelty..... And why you might ask? Well to get you to open up your cheque-book of course.
Your average family farmer is not the enemy either, their animals well being is a concern since it that setting it reflects their profitability. Now corporate farms where the bottom line is the only thing that matters can be a different story all together.
And sorry Dlibby but every year anglers and hunters do more to protect wildlife habitat and pay more to help injured wild animals recover that PETA contributes to that cause in a decade. I have yet to see PETA building nesting areas for Ospreys or Eagles yet hunters and anglers are willing to contribute to the recover of these species even thought they are not something that is hunted. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 8:55:42 AM |
The most rediculous statement made so far is that hunters are responsible for protection and restoration.
And this is where you slam it home. You need to do your home work. I grew up in New York and now I live 50 miles North of San Francisco.
Yes, I am surrounded by PETA members. Which is why I know so much about them. One of their members damaged my boat trailer while I was out fishing. The fool even left a note on it saying she was with PETA.
I have had a few leave threatening messages on my answering machine in response to letters I have written to the local news paper.
Now why don't you do your homework and find out just how much Sport hunters and fishermen spend to protect and enhance our environment. It's in the millions every year. Outdoor sports men and women pay more and do more than any other single group in the country to protect our environment.
Instead of joining PETA your money would have been better spent joining the Sierra Club.
PETA are a bunch of wack jobs. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 9:05:32 AM |
And sorry Dlibby but every year anglers and hunters do more to protect wildlife habitat and pay more to help injured wild animals recover that PETA contributes to that cause in a decade.
This is true, my husband pays a fee annually along with his hunting and fishing license which goes towards building better habitat for wildlife and saving the wetlands as well as other forrest areas in which wildlife live. Never once have I seen signs along the road stating PETA has done anything to save wildlife habitats or preserving land for any animals.
I have been to a slaughter house, I've seen cows get "slaughtered". They arrive in a long line and are killed one by one by electric shock, instantly. Someone mentioned that 30% of the animals aren't successfully killed and remain alive to "witness" the others getting killed... that's a bunch of bull (parden the pun). I've never seen an animal alive as they go through the building. It's not a one shot deal, this is a business and if you have ever been to a reputable kill plant, you'd know that there are people positioned everywhere to make damn sure that no animal is left untouched. I don't know where your getting your 30% number, but I can assume it came from some PETA follower.
PETA does make those horrible "cruelty to animal" movies to tug at the heartstrings of the naive. Most PETA followers have no idea of the killing and trapping methods of animals and think that all animals are tortured alive for our viewing and eating pleasure. If you see a video of foxes skinned alive for thier fur, or animals slung by thier feet, throats cut while still alive... then you've more than likely seen a video created by PETA or some other extreme animal activist organization, to show thier own version of how animals are killed so we can fill our bellies or keep warm in the winter. If you beleive this, then you are just another follower and failed to do your own research to find out how these practices are really done. I admit that there are people who don't follow the practices and procedures, but don't let these bad apples spoil the bunch. And for goodness sake, don't always beleive everything you read! | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 12:34:52 PM | For all the responses rebutting my statements... I missed your all foundations and solid documentation to your flawed arguments. I can theorize a lot of bull too, but I rather not to. As I said before, I speak from experience… no astigmatic view here.
And yes, English seems not our overall forte… funny huh??? As far “LoonyTunz” did make this first remark…
My question: How is that? What should I “please”???? Should I what? Please you in the needs of English language???? Where did you get this from??? You’re a Kanuk from Ontario, how’s that again???? As far having “some college” as education, it seems Bill Gates and Paul McCartney did do better out of it than you, didn’t they??? You seem to be fixed to the ground level or are you trying hard to fake some sort of acrophobia???…
Now the bold part.... Speaks volumes as to your character. To bad I'll likely out live you barring an unforeseen accident. Yes, my character, you drawer of the odds… how would you know that you would out live me by an unforeseen accident? Do you have a crystal ball? I think yes, you do. Keep throwing rocks and you shall see… (Pun intended) I don't need rocks to break your funny balls...
As far to hooked_and_happy remarking that I belong to PETA… well, nice try, try another one, though. I am sure you did not read my first response to this thread and if you did, again, you’re joined difficulties with LoonyTunz on English Comprehension… Here again, another Canadian force in works … You’re flaming the threads very often, it seems a favorite sport of yours… What’s about cultivating some really manners and discussing things in that way to find common solutions? Remember, we all live on the top of the earth, and for now that is all what we have to share, preferably in peace... I came here to give my individual example to my change into vegetarian life, and I definitely do not agree with the biased article written by an unknown writer on a Sunday hour… her argument is vague all the times, instead I am talking about my experience.
The 30% I mentioned is a percentage in average that I EXPERIENCED in slaughter houses. I haven’t been to these facilities as a visitor. I have been there working and researching about the methods to cause less or preferably no trauma to the animals. In addition, I am a former MD student, major in neurology. I don’t need to brag that death is sweet for all vertebrate - spinal and neuronal - species do I?
They arrive in a long line and are killed one by one by electric shock, instantly How’s that??? You have "seen" huh?
Did you say, a, “instantly” and “killed”??? Well it might have been your impression as a wannabe visitor… I am sure you have missed the really final process… unless you mentioned about an illlegal practice you've seen in one of many irregular slaughter houses, those law inspectors oversee by some defect on morals or money. Hypocritically intended.
Furthermore hooked_and_happy Electrical current just does a type of believed “anesthesia” on the animal BEFORE been BLED to death.
I also heard from a retired Anthropologist that an interviewed cannibal told him that the underarm of a woman is the best meat cut he could pick… and the unconsciousness would not matter – for the cannibal… The same cannibal changed his diet from human meat to fishes, which he would hunter and spear himself. (pun intended)
In the United States, the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) specifies the approved methods of livestock slaughter:
Chemical (carbon dioxide)
This method is approved for sheep, calves and swine. The animal is asphyxiated by the use of carbon dioxide gas.
Mechanical (captive bolt)
This method is approved for sheep, swine, goats, calves, cattle, horses, mules, and other equines. A captive bolt stunner is applied to the livestock so as to produce immediate unconsciousness in the animals before they are butchered.
Mechanical (gunshot)
This method is approved for cattle, calves, sheep, swine, goats, horses, mules, and other equines. The gun is used to render the animal immediately unconscious (and presumably dead) before butchering.
Electrical (stunning or slaughtering with electric current)
This method is approved for swine, sheep, calves, cattle, and goats. The current applied is sufficient to ensure surgical anesthesia throughout the "bleeding" of the animal.
Each of these methods is outlined in detail, and the regulations require that inspectors identify operations which cause undue "excitement and discomfort" of animals.
I also can drop here a bunch of bulls for you all to eat up, because you’re very faster eaters (swallowing) – as irrational carnivores are as well. Though, I rather use my civilized and rational mind before I fall mouthful on a piece of poisoned meat. It could really come to a dirt trap.
Again, I do not mind if you all eat meat, but I do condemn those who support the mass consume of meat, always very flawed with cruelty at any level.
It is about an individual, knowledgeable gesture of protest against cruelty to animals.
Again, it doesn’t mean nothing in attacking others, be it a blonde celebrity or an organization, but giving our own individual best example, what anyways come to our own good of health.
It starts by educating fairly. Education has to change. We have to grow with a chance to think for ourselves – without biased influence, and we don’t necessarily “need” to eat meat, but that is “what we’ve been brain-washed” to believe by consume and massive propaganda of those industries making the most money of it. It has to happen, generation by generation, culture by culture, social groups to social groups.
We don’t need to eat meat. We don’t need furs. We don’t need consume. It is time for us to use our own brains for good, this, if we really want to enjoy life for longer, consume and disease free.
“Treat your children very well; they are the ones who will choose your nursing home, if not poisoning your food for the sake of inheritance.”
Cheers!
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Posted: 6/30/2008 12:51:44 PM | Meat from farm animals is very tender compared to wild game. It has a lot more fat in it. However, any animal that suffered greatly...their muscles tighten up. This makes the meat very tough and hard to eat.
I have been to meat processing plants. The methods you listed are correct. However.....getting back to what I said.....if the animal suffered at all, the meat would not be so tender.
I know this from experience....not from videos are anything else that one might learn from a classroom.
All of the meat I have bought from a store has been very tender so I doubt there was much suffering.
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Posted: 6/30/2008 12:54:07 PM |
The most rediculous statement made so far is that hunters are responsible for protection and restoration. I can prove my statement to be a true fact.
I'm also aware that you would be completely unable to prove my statement wrong. So please don't refer to it as ridiculous.
Here's a list of a few accomplishments by a couple of groups of hunters and fishermen in North America who work to preserve wildlife:
Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation
Our Accomplishments are broad and many. In addition to the ongoing programs we work on special projects with affiliated organizations in this province and across the country to promote the responsible use and preservation of our habitat! Here are a few of our recent accomplishments:
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We hold title to over 60,000 acres of excellent habitat in our Habitat Trust Program. We have received over 93 donations of land to this program.
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We have raised over $1 million in our Habitat Trust Hide Collection Program since its inception.
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We have over 400,000 acres voluntarily enrolled in our Wildlife Tomorrow program.
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We have planted over 1,000,000 trees to provide food and cover for wildlife, erosion control, and snow catch.
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Over 1000 girls and boys have attended our popular Conservation School Since 1972.
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SWF branches work in conjunction with the provincial government's Fish & Wildlife Development Fund, conducting local fisheries projects (fish stocking, stream enhancement, trout ponds, fish hatcheries, etc.). With assistance from biologists, the branches are the main force behind securing much of Saskatchewan's fisheries habitat.
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We initiated and have worked with governments to secure 3.4 million acres of crown land in the Wildlife Habitat Protection Act, whereby these lands are protected against exploitation and maintained for their present uses of haying, grazing, and wildlife habitat.
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We initiated the Fish & Wildlife Development Fund - a government fund built from an impost of game, fur and fishing licenses to be used to purchase and enhance wildlife lands and fisheries management with over 175,000 acres purchased to date.
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We have been active participants in programs such as the North American Waterfowl Management Plan, Heritage Marshes, Integrated Forest Management, deer feeding programs, nest baskets for ducks, water policies, land use plans, and many other activities. http://www.swf.sk.ca/about/accomplishments.shtml
Ducks Unlimited Canada
associated habitats is key in saving our wetlands for tomorrow – today.
Ducks Unlimited Canada (DUC) is committed to conserving one of Canada’s greatest resources, wetlands, for waterfowl, other wildlife and people.
Since 1938, DUC’s direct habitat conservation programs have positively influenced 12.5 million acres of habitat. But there is still much to do.
Our conservation efforts are concentrated on key threatened landscapes where they will have the greatest returns possible. This includes:
Wetland Rehabilitation – DUC works with landowners to restore wetlands. Drawing on over 65 years of experience, no organization offers more expertise on wetland rehabilitation than DUC.
Wetland Securement – DUC identifies priority wetlands and provides options to ensure they remain intact. These options include Conservation Easements (legal agreements), and land securement through donation or purchase.
With the help of many partners, landowners, sponsors and dedicated members and volunteers, DUC has been successful at taking action to conserve wetlands.
Using scientific research, education and by helping to develop public policy in conjunction with our habitat conservation programs, DUC is conserving our valuable wetlands. http://www.ducks.ca/aboutduc/how/conserve.html
I made a point of using as examples a couple of groups that have made efforts towards habitat restoration or enhancement in my own area of North America. But similar work is done by similar groups throughout North America
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Posted: 6/30/2008 1:14:53 PM | To ad to ferruginous post you can look up the "Pittman-Robertson Act" of 1937. This started out to be a 10% tax on all hunting and fishing equipment.....guns, bows, arrows, ammo and so on. A few years later it was increased to 11%. It brought in over 150 million a year until the Clinton years during which time it was mismanaged. However, it is slowly coming back.
Since than there have been other taxes added to the sportsmens supplies. And this doesn't include hunting and fishing licenses and permits. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 1:27:36 PM |
Meat from farm animals is very tender compared to wild game. It has a lot more fat in it. However, any animal that suffered greatly...their muscles tighten up. This makes the meat very tough and hard to eat. I have been to meat processing plants. The methods you listed are correct. However.....getting back to what I said.....if the animal suffered at all, the meat would not be so tender.I know this from experience....not from videos are anything else that one might learn from a classroom.
All of the meat I have bought from a store has been very tender so I doubt there was much suffering. You learn this stuff when you do it.
Dear bassman1959
I can't possibly agree with you. How did you do measure or assess the amount of suffering against meat tenderness??? Just by looking at the “muscles”?
The suffering of animals doesn't do a thing to new ambitious patented methods to tenderize meat. If organic tries to keep it natural, soon or later they will feel their struggles against the competition.
Here just one of many ambitious projects, already in use
Title:
Process for the tenderization of meat cuts
Document Type and Number: United States Patent 4786515
Abstract:Xanthan gum is used for tenderizing meat cuts, preferably in combination with a curing treatment, in which the meat cut is injected or otherwise treated with an aqueous brine solution to which the Xanthan gum has been added.
As said, I personally protest vehemently against any meat mass production, animals and also staff suffer together. It is an unfair, greedy industry. Been there, done that.
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Posted: 6/30/2008 1:36:11 PM |
Alistair Currie, a spokesman for Peta, said: "Jessica Simpson might have a right to wear what she wants, but she doesn't have a right to eat what she wants
Just one more reason I wouldn't give Peta a dime.What are you kidding me?I'm sorry Ms. Currie you have no right to slaughter that head of lettuce. | |
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