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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/1/2008 9:30:26 PM | So if the FBI follows the group known as PETA and they do have ties to other extremist groups and domestic terrorists why does anyone really take them seriously, even on their own side? Don't the vegetarian and animal rights people just look and roll their eyes and shake their head?
The dirty little secret is yes they don't take PETA seriously. So then the next question you should ask yourself as an animal right advocate, is why arn't they being taken seriously? The anwer to that one is they do more harm then good. In a multiple of ways. Anyone that is in the fashion industry doesn't support them because they have ruined fashion shows. No big fashion money. Hollywood is not happy with them Mrs. Simpson is not the first celebrity they have assaulted. No big actor/singer money. They look like nutjobs and are increasingly looked at as the comic relief of the animal rights industry. Little to no money from serious advocates.
It may be a hard pill to swallow but its true they arn't very smart if their intentions were more focused on people viewing meat in a bad light. It actually has turned that badlight once again on them. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/1/2008 9:58:30 PM |
Hitler was not a vegetarian, please do your research- try reading something.
He occasionally ate meat, but for the most part he followed a vegetarian diet.
PETA uses the methods they do to get the response they want- which is free publicity, period. They do it because it works. It makes no difference to them if they are 'liked' or not, quite obviously, the opposite is more effective.
Angering people to the point where they won't even give PETA the time of day, let alone listening to and heeding its message, is effective?
The meat industry has, does and is causing irreversible harm to the environment. Again, try reading something. Time Magazine online predicted the end of meat eating in the next century because the planet will simply no longer be able to support it, period.
People such as yourself have made these arguments before, but have yet to give convincing evidence. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/1/2008 10:05:17 PM | Here is the Time article for your edification:
http://www.time.com/time/reports/v21/health/meat_mag.html
Excerpt:
Will We Still Eat Meat? Maybe not, if we wake up to what the mass production of animal flesh is doing to our health--and the planet's by ED AYRES
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When Julius Caesar made his triumphal entrance into Rome in 45 B.C., he celebrated by giving a feast at which thousands of guests gorged on poultry, seafood and game. Similar celebrations featuring exorbitant consumption of animal flesh have marked human victories--in war, sport, politics and commerce--since our species learned to control fire. Throughout the developing world today, one of the first things people do as they climb out of poverty is to shift from their peasant diet of mainly grains and beans to one that is rich in pork or beef. Since 1950, per capita consumption of meat around the globe has more than doubled.
Meat, it seems, is not just food but reward as well. But in the coming century, that will change. Much as we have awakened to the full economic and social costs of cigarettes, we will find we can no longer subsidize or ignore the costs of mass-producing cattle, poultry, pigs, sheep and fish to feed our growing population. These costs include hugely inefficient use of freshwater and land, heavy pollution from livestock feces, rising rates of heart disease and other degenerative illnesses, and spreading destruction of the forests on which much of our planet's life depends.
First, consider the impact on supplies of freshwater. To produce 1 lb. of feedlot beef requires 7 lbs. of feed grain, which takes 7,000 lbs. of water to grow. Pass up one hamburger, and you'll save as much water as you save by taking 40 showers with a low-flow nozzle. Yet in the U.S., 70% of all the wheat, corn and other grain produced goes to feeding herds of livestock. Around the world, as more water is diverted to raising pigs and chickens instead of producing crops for direct consumption, millions of wells are going dry. India, China, North Africa and the U.S. are all running freshwater deficits, pumping more from their aquifers than rain can replenish. As populations in water-scarce regions continue to expand, governments will inevitably act to cut these deficits by shifting water to grow food, not feed. The new policies will raise the price of meat to levels unaffordable for any but the rich.
That prospect will doubtless provoke protests that direct consumption of grain can't provide the same protein that meat provides. Indeed, it can't. But nutritionists will attest that most people in the richest countries don't need nearly as much protein as we're currently getting from meat, and there are plenty of vegetable sources--including the grains now squandered on feed--that can provide the protein we need....
OP ain't the only one who can cut'n'paste...... | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/1/2008 10:40:22 PM | Yes and Time magazine is known for printing the unbiased truth with no thought as to how it might affect sales or other goals......
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/17/time/
Or gloom and doom stories of how asteroids will wipe out life on the planet, etc.... | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/1/2008 10:55:42 PM | Oh yes, Salon.com, "Fair and Balanced." I'm at least glad that you highlighted a left-learning mag though....
But I do love their collaborations with Rolling Stone, a magazine that has no journalistic integrity whatsoever......Perhaps you missed their propaganda piece on the anti-vaccination pseudoscience - the same piece that ABC apparently did not publish because they realized that the correlations made were just not there.
Be well....... | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/1/2008 11:06:33 PM | Had to go with something this set would know. Doesn't change what Time is though does it? The simple fact is there is NO mainstream media which is trustworthy when it comes to any issue vaguely related to science. Even serious science publications should be viewed with a critical eye........that's essentially how science works. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/2/2008 12:35:23 AM | ok, going back to the first page, and i don't think i can get much further on this thread- think what you will of `peta' the majority of poster here haven't a clue what the diff is between an organizational position/ strategy and their take on the glimpses of something they don't grok but react to emotively... ie. `peta' being, as an oraganization, responsible for some jack asses who also allegedly threw paint on fur coats (does this actually happen even a fraction of the times someone alledges, regardless of whom they allege is behind such stupidity)? ie. NO it is not acceptable to presume and act as if those who may or may not object to the wearing of fur (whatever) are `paint throwers' or that peta as an organization encourages, much less is directly responsible for same.
But- the `nuge'??????????? omg, how low can we go. ted, though i think a lot of his guitar riffs may rock like hell, is not exactly `mensa' material. the `nuge' has shot his dumb uneducated mouth off many times on, i believe, mostly cable shows of rather limited audience..... and this makes him a qualified observer or commenter in much the same manner that jesse ventura demonstrated his standing to speak to native issues in mn by suggesting that any assertions of an obligation to honor treaty rights had no credibility unless made from a person wearing skins while transversing lake superior in a canoe.
ok, big mouths do not equal big brains.
anyway, the `nuge' as i recall is so absent the ability to argue vs. shoot off his big stupid mouth, ie. that i believe that he has had to shell out some cash in lost defamation suits.
uh, yeah, the `nuge' is such a superior creature that `brother bear' sacrifices himself so that the `nuge's' wee gifts (compared to bears strength and intelligence) can seem so grandiose. uh, yeah right.
anyway the `nuge' appears to avoid attempts at justifying his egocentric and moronic notions that living beings cannot wait to lay down and die so as to glorify that which is ted (in his own mind of course) by calling people who disagree with him in some regards `whores'. not much lower than much of the discourse on this thread.
dont' think that the `nuge' fairs too well when wits are required. he was ordered to pay some 30K for defamation in one case and perhaps has learned that if he has no argumentative leg to stand on, he might show some respect by shutting his inept yap.
got nothing against certain hunting practices myself, but the `nuge' could not argue his way out of a paper bag for all his (must need viagra) false bravado. in a fair fight verbally, he has to cover his big mouth with his wallet, in the quiet of the woods, a fair fight would leave the `nuge' as bear droppings, in all probability.
`nuge' may have firepower, aka some serious false bravado, but in an `equal' battle he is defenseless and would, in a `fair fight' wind up as bear poop. best use isn't always a bad idea, dude may know how to play but ought recognize that he is not equal to the real challenge in fair forum to either a `peta' person, or those noble creatures his egocentric delusions lead him to believe would `sacrifice' themselves so he can pound his weakly chest.
maybe he doesn't eat enough carbs to put any flesh on his bones???? | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/2/2008 7:26:41 AM |
As the responses clearly show, it is bigots show time here, forcefully attacking the obvious, and twisting whatever the words you find opposing. Blame shifiting at best! I haven't seen any post that twist anything here. I see people who are posting thier opinions, as are you and the rest of the vegetarians (and PETA followers). Your angry because we don't agree with you, that's all. You want us all to join you on the band wagon and it clearly shows (in this post, anyways) that there are alot of people who are going to continue to eat meat, despite what you post. And so now you pout. As for calling us **stards, just because your not getting your way, doesn't mean you have to start calling us names.
Goodbye. Goodbye. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/2/2008 7:58:50 AM |
This "past and copied" article is full of bias as much as the posters, Canadians in the majority with some sort of social issues to tolerate other's opinion.
Worthless the comment. Bones for the **stards. Chew my dear, chew. Do you smell the hypocracy yet? And yes I am Canadian. That means that essentially I am much like the people of the US with slightly better healthcare, a higher standard of education and no feeling of a need to sleep next to a gun to feel safe, or wall off a southern border "to protect crappy paying jobs". Otherwise the media exposure and morals are remarkably similar with less emphasis on religion.
As the responses clearly show, it is bigots show time here, forcefully attacking the obvious, and twisting whatever the words you find opposing. Blame shifiting at best! If by "the obvious" you mean a domestic terrorist group, then I'd have to ask what objection any sane person could have to that. PETA has verifiable ties to ALF and ELF both clearly implicated in attacks which fit the definition of terrorism and as such should have all assets frozen and the leadership thrown in prison.....Let's see how they fit into that group sanctimoniously decrying meat-eaters. Maybe then they will understand how a food chain works. And still waitting to hear what school has such low standards?
P.S. Add mean life expectancy for a female in NY to your age and then add mean life expectancy for a male here to my age..... Not such a big stretch to assume that you will NOT have the opportunity to dance on my grave like some sick twisted savage. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/2/2008 8:28:06 AM |
As the responses clearly show, it is bigots show time here, forcefully attacking the obvious, and twisting whatever the words you find opposing. Blame shifiting at best!
Yes, that is a good description of your arguments. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/2/2008 8:51:18 AM |
Did they also tell you that B12 can excite you that way to cause heart problems, I am sure they will not... It takes at least 10 years for some to have a really funded base of study... {/quote] You failed to mention here that B12 is essential in good heart health & is often lacking in most diets; particularly vegetarian & vegan diets. [...]Soybeans, mature (boiled) 1 cup 8.8 50 Lentils (boiled) 1 cup 6.6 35 Kidney beans mature (boiled) 1 cup 5.2 25 Lima beans large, mature (boiled) 1 cup 4.5 25 Navy beans mature (boiled) 1 cup 4.5 25 Ready-to-eat cereal (25% iron fortified) 1 cup 4.5 25 Black beans mature (boiled) 1 cup 3.6 20 Pinto beans mature (boiled) 1 cup 3.6 20 Molasses (blackstrap) 1 tablespoon 3.5 20 Tofu (raw, firm) ˝ cup 3.4 20 [...] And those of us who CANNOT eat most of the foods you listed, CANNOT survive in good health as vegetarians. It is not a matter of choice to forego protein & maintain good health. As living proof of an educated, experienced attempt at vegetarian lifestyle , I can positively tell the world that it CANNOT work for everyone. Individual physiology precludes mass generalization. I am still alive, 45 of age, long time passionate open water swimmer, overall healthy with my own teeth and hair, loving life, happy without meat... (auto)suggestive addiction free... I'm 52! And yes, my pictures are up to date too. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/2/2008 8:53:44 AM | PETA gave $45, 200, then later an additional $35,000 to convicted serial arsonist Rodney Coronado. He's the bunghole who burned up part of Michigan State University. (IRS records)
PETA has funded the ELF (Earth Liberation Front) terrorist group for many years...most donations occuring AFTER members of ELF were arrested & convicted of various crimes. (IRS records)
PETA's Bruce Friedrich had this to say to the press in 2001..."If we really believe that animals have the same right to be free from pain and suffering at our hands, then, of course we're going to be, as a movement, blowing things up and smashing windows ... I think it's a great way to bring about animal liberation ... I think it would be great if all of the fast-food outlets, slaughterhouses, these laboratories, and the banks that fund them exploded tomorrow. I think it's perfectly appropriate for people to take bricks and toss them through the windows ... Hallelujah to the people who are willing to do it."
PETA donated thousands to ALF (Animal Liberation Front) militant Josh Harper. (IRS records)
And of course, let's not forget the PETA activist who stole the pet bunny from a bunch of KIDS at the Community Building Children's Center in Spokane, Washington and left FLYERS. C'mon, stealing a BUNNY from 5-yr olds?? WTF?
The FBI & ATF by their own words to CNN, are now concentrationg more on animal rights terrorist groups like ALF & ELF than they are on the KKK. The increased use of incendiary and explosive devices since 1990 has really gotten their attention..
No bigotry here...just cold, hard facts. I hate terrorists of ALL types, both foreign and domestic. PETA supports terrorists. Therefore they are worthless as an organization and should be disbanded and prosecuted. Starting with Bill Maher.
If ya want to be a vegetarian of vegan, go for it, more meat for the rest of us. It's YOUR choice to be a vegetarian, it's OUR choice to NOT BE! That's part of living in a FREE country!! You can't FORCE us to become what you want us to...
And I've tried Tofurkey, i'm not impressed. Get some real great tasting substitutes going and you'll have something that will draw consumers to vegetarianism. BK, Taco Bell & McDonald's all have vegetarian options, but they all TASTE LIKE CARDBOARD! | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/2/2008 9:10:16 AM | | I will eat morning star and boca if i have to. However dont deny me my REAL food. PETA is out of controle plain and simple i am all for animal rights, such as dont uthinise animals etc. But you dont see me blowing up animal shealters. There is a saner way to do things people! And this thread reminded me of a bumper sticker i saw once, vegitarian: an old indian word meaning bad hunter. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/2/2008 9:53:53 AM | hooked-
was replying to the post about `the nuge' (ted nugent) on the first page of this tread. a poster suggested that the `nuge' would fair well in an `argument' with `peta' types.
so long as most are using the term `peta' somewhat like `xerox' and mouthing `talking points' ( i recognize some false and misleading statements from penn and teller for eg.) and not doing their own thinking i guess there's not much point in otherwise participating here.
i will say that the fbi does keep files on many activists of all stripes, including those working to promote all kinds of `rights', for humans as well as protecting animals or the environment.
the fbi also draws very strong and accurate parallels between the abuse of animals and the later abuse of human beings. so they keep files on animal abusers as well. they work with agencies working on family violence and the humane society of the us to promote awareness of the connections between various sorts of arbitrary violence and cruelty.
the fbi keeping or not keeping files on you says little, especially in today's political climate about you as a person or the `right or wrong'- ness of ones activities.
many of us `excuse' ourselves by simply not getting our own hands bloody and pretend that those who did the dirty work for us (if you did to your dog what happens to virtally all pigs raised for food in the us, you would be thrown in jail in most municipalities) are the bad guys.
if you want to eat meat, do it honestly and go get bloody. i will give nugent credit for that much. he isn't sitting there eating a cheeseburger and complaining about how cruel it is to shoot bambi.
oh- the nugent tune `brother bear' (gag, choke...) motivated some of my comments in my post. idea being as ted appears to see it that his brother the bear, more or less willingly gives his life to ted, so ted can have a way cool rug.
the same hubris underlying that attitude seems to permeate much of the `thinking' on this thread. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/2/2008 10:38:44 AM |
many of us `excuse' ourselves by simply not getting our own hands bloody and pretend that those who did the dirty work for us (if you did to your dog what happens to virtally all pigs raised for food in the us, you would be thrown in jail in most municipalities) are the bad guys. In this society, unlike some other countries, dogs are considered pets and not to be eaten. Pigs... are not pets. And don't start spewing out facts that pigs feel pain and have feelings just like a dog or cat... blah, blah... I'm aware of this. Pigs are raised to be butchered. As are cows, chickens and other barn yard animals.
I also live on a farm and I have indeed butchered my own meat to eat. In another instances we have people "do the dirty work" for us... and I feel no different either way, I know where the cow goes and what happens to it, and I still eat meat... and like it.
Throughout this thread we've heard the non-meat eaters spew out insults to anyone who eats meat, tell us we're liers when we talk of the FBI being involved with PETA, accusing us of "not doing our own thinking" and telling us that meat will kill us. Well, do you honestly think that your getting through to anyone here? Can you not see that your painting a picture of PETA and of extreme animal right activists in the same way your trying to deny them of being that way? Teach people of the benefits, give people knowleadge of a vegetarian life, rather than putting them down if they don't see it your way. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/2/2008 1:11:01 PM | So, what would happen if we all did stop eating meat? I mean besides all the increased violence among humans? I don't know about the rest of you guys, but if I don't have a nice thick steak at least once a week, I really notice it. And it's not hunger either.
However, in order to feed everyone our farm land would have to be increased...by what? 10 times? Because not only would we have to feed all humans , we would also have to feed the animals that we are no longer eating. It takes more vegetables to satisfy pains than it does meat. That would mean cutting down more forests.....or filling in wetlands. As the animal population grows......disease would spread among wild AND domestic animals. Also....in nature what happens when somthing isn't needed anymore? Nature has a very effective way of taking things that aren't needed away.
This is something PETA hasn't thought about.
Meat eating is part of conservation. Farming, ranching, hunting, fishing...it's all part of conservation. As I said in one of my previous posts, conservation is the wise use of our natural resources. If we all stopped eating meat.......it wouldn't be wise use of our natural resources. It would be non use. Things that aren't used tend to be neglected.
I like driving down the road at twilight and watching the deer feeding in the fields. But as studies show........the reason we have so many deer today is because of wise management practices. And those practices include meat eating and hunting. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/2/2008 2:16:42 PM | First off - I am a Vegetarian and an Animal lover. PETA is the farthest thing from an "Animal Rights Group" They are a bunch of burned out folks that get their jollies off running around nekked carrying signs.
Their leaders have been indicted and convicted of Animal Cruelty several times - see link -
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/3227
When they launched their "fishing hurts" campaign - that is trying to ban all fishing - I knew that these nuts couldn't pass a drug test if they studied!
See link -
http://www.fishinghurts.com/
There are many legit animal rights groups - I suggest that donations should be made to any group other than PETA - | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/2/2008 2:26:05 PM | if people stopped eating meat, think of the slaughter of all the farm animals no-one has a use for, the grass lands would vanish and turn to scrub and then forest
Peta forget that if it is not profitable for farmers to farm animals, then they get killed off, the land that they needed to support them would be used for farming
Open your mouth and look in the mirror, sharp teeth at front are called canines, not great for chewing plant matter, but great for biting and tearing meat
humans are omnivores and still love to use fur :) | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/2/2008 7:22:26 PM | I've had dog and rat. It's not bad when properly prepared. Anyone who has been stationed/visited Korea/China/Japan/Veitnam/Malaysia. probably has, either knowingly or unknowingly. Without being too gross it has been suggested at times in various places that if you go into an oriental buffet restraunt in the US you've got a fair to middling chance of eating dog & rat...this may or may not be true, but it still TASTES yummy!!
Even if the only meat available were rat, we'ed still eat it. It's the same look as squirrel, wish a slightly differnt taste. Heck, remember "Demolition Man"?? Ratburger...the wave of the future!!
B'sides, I don't see folks giving up their Leather seats in their cars, Manolo leather shoes, Louis Vutton purses...and God help the poor idiot that pisses off a biker for wearing Leather...heck, I'd pay money to see that!
I can see it now...News Flash...PETA takes on the Hell's Angels for wearing leather...multiple PETA members found dead with ball peen hammer injuries!!! Film at Eleven!! | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/3/2008 1:38:53 PM | Dwayne88: it's amazing how human beings don't want to play by the "I'm the top of the food chain" rules when they are in Grizzly bear country; because I assure you, the Grizzly bear is at the top of the food chain.
It's just selfishness and self-entitlement. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/3/2008 2:27:50 PM |
Dwayne88: it's amazing how human beings don't want to play by the "I'm the top of the food chain" rules when they are in Grizzly bear country; because I assure you, the Grizzly bear is at the top of the food chain.
It's just selfishness and self-entitlement. It's neither of those things when you find yourself in grizzly bear country completely unarmed. Then it's just plain stupidity. As a matter of fact, when faced with alot of different animals, humans can easily be knocked off the top of the food chain, but our ability to use weapons and reasoning makes us #1 on the list. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters Posted: 7/3/2008 4:06:11 PM | december 12, 1982 my uncle was in a motorcycle group and was actually confronted by the early pioneers of PETA in virginia, it wasnt a pretty sight according to him and my "uncle spanky" 2 hours into the incident local law charged the group of protesters with malicious intent but no one was charged with assualt after 30+ PETA kids went up against 10 riders | |
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