| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters
Posted: 7/3/2008 8:56:16 PM | Man who go unarmed into bear country is called..."Lunch".
Of course, re-introducing wild bears into human populated areas is just about as insane as well. An 82-yr old woman in Utah was killed & eaten by a bear that broke thru her kitchen window & ate her...guess Granny's Home Cookin was a little TOO good.
If a species goes extinct, it just goes. It wasn't able to adapt enough to humans to survive. If a species kills or eats humans, it gets dead in a hurry...legally and illegally. This is why the various species of tigers have gone away. this is why Pit Bull dogs are illegal in many cities and most insurance companies will revoke your homeowners policy if you have one.
Darwin was correct in one thing...survival of the fittest means that not everything survives, some things adapt, some things don't. There are a lot of extinct species, many before man ever existed. It's not man's job to keep a species on past it's end. It's NICE, but it's not a requirement. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters
Posted: 7/6/2008 3:22:02 AM | ^That's a bit ironic actually.
Most of the domesticated animals meant for human consumption couldn't survive without humans in the first place. Cows, swine, chicken...these three animals in particular would not survive very long at all without humans around. They've been modified through selective breeding over the course of thousands of years. There are no packs of wild chickens running around in the wild for a reason : These creatures are the carnivorous animal's version of free lunch. Hell, livestock are better than free lunch in a way because we breed these creatures to be eaten. As such, we've done our utmost to suppress certain instincts in them and in particular, we've aimed to make them as docile as possible. Well...it worked.
The creatures you see at the average farm are not nature's creation. We took the wild animal and made it into something that would suit our needs. The result is basically a walking happy meal...and that's why cows, pigs , and chickens exist. We've done our best to make these things as stupid, pacific, and tasty as possible. These are not traits that get an animal very far in the wild. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters
Posted: 7/6/2008 8:41:39 AM |
Dwayne88: it's amazing how human beings don't want to play by the "I'm the top of the food chain" rules when they are in Grizzly bear country; because I assure you, the Grizzly bear is at the top of the food chain.
It's just selfishness and self-entitlement
If we have a rifle and we know how to use it in Grizzly bear country. We are probably still on top of the food chain.
We are on top of it because we have the intelligence to find a way to be. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters
Posted: 7/10/2008 11:08:22 AM | There are no packs of wild chickens running around in the wild for a reason : These creatures are the carnivorous animal's version of free lunch. Hell, livestock are better than free lunch in a way because we breed these creatures to be eaten. As such, we've done our utmost to suppress certain instincts in them and in particular, we've aimed to make them as docile as possible. Well...it worked.
Go to Fitzgerald, Ga. There are thousands of chickens roaming around.They were released by Northerners who had come south to settle.The Yankees thought they could hunt them like pheasant.They released a few dozen now there are thousands. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters
Posted: 7/10/2008 11:27:59 AM | You know, humans have been carnivores (well, Omnivores if you want to get technical) since we fell out of the trees. I just don't get PETA. I'm all for the unnecessary suffering of animals for the fashion industry etc, I just personally don't have time every day to go out into the forest and hunt down some fresh meat, so I get mine from the supermarket.
If being a vegetarian is your thing, I have no problem with that, and more power to you. I'm just not a vegetarian. It's getting as bad as the different religions, arguably vegetarianism IS a religion.
If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?
*shrugs*
Why doesn't PETA do something useful and complain about the countless filled bodybags being sent back from Iraq. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters
Posted: 7/10/2008 11:49:45 AM | | Gotapulse.... I am a farm girl and I know that domesticated hogs do go feral, meaning they revert back to a wild state. There are places in KY that feral pigs abound. Cows and chickens were always a free lunch for the hunters.... Look at how the buffalo went, they were not domesticated yet were easy prey for the "hunters." | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 12:35:50 PM |
Curious....how does eating meat contribute to global warming?
The more meat we eat, the more cows are made. The more cows are made, the more they fart. The more they fart, the more it causes magical global warming.
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters
Posted: 7/28/2008 1:40:27 PM | | Give me a Remington 700 in 8mm Magnum with Nosler bullets and a 2X9 Leupold scope and set me down in grizzly bear country and I'll have the darndest collection of rugs you'll ever see. Take the rifle away and I am lunch, that is true. | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters
Posted: 7/28/2008 1:58:38 PM | Until humans are born with nothing but molars to chew and grind with,....
I think we should remember what we are,....
we are meat AND veggie eaters,....
So I will continue to eat my steak,...with potatoes and salad,...Just my opinion | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters
Posted: 7/28/2008 2:00:16 PM | actually singlemaltgirl, PETA does advocate for less cruel methods of slaughter as well as raising livestock in a more humane condition which is what, for example, their campaign against KFC is all about as well as many other campaigns that they are running.
Of course the preferance is that we all go vegan or at least vegetarian but there thinking is that since this will not happen overnight, although it is a largely growing lifestyle, that while the animals continue to be raised and killed for food at least let it be done in the most humane way possible. That is why they are asking people to not eat at KFC in hopes that if enough pressure is put on KFC they will be forced to change the current and appalling practices being used to raise and slaughter chickens for their restaurants.
PETA may not be perfect but they have done more to save the lives of animals than any other organization out there. Countless people have changed their lives thanks to info derived thru PETA, myself included, so you have to give credit to whom it is due. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2008 2:11:04 PM | hi dlibby, it is great to meet another fellow advocate for animals!! I agree with all of your posts!! and you are not alone with your feelings . More and more people are defending the animals through giving up meat eating.
I have actually read that as many as 1 million people a year go vegetarian!!
Don't give up on your beliefs and remember that any good cause has always started out with those who fought vigorously against it , just like human slavery and the like.
Can you imagine the ridicule faced by the abolitionists during the time of slavery??!! That is the way it always is when you ask people to change a bad habit but we are winning . or should I say, the animals are winning slowly but surely. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2008 3:15:19 PM | I count one supporter of PETA so far? And that support seems to be based on confusing animal rights supporters with members of PETA. With all the ridiculous ideas I hear on other political threads I'm actually kinda sad we don't have any more nutters on here. Oh well, guess they're mad because silicone chips are made out of the tears of puppies.
On a more serious note, I am a supporter of animal rights. It's part of my spiritual belief system which includes reincarnation and the notion that all things have a soul. However, I am also a staunch opponent of PETA. I believe that on a purely scientific level humans are designed to eat meat. It includes more than just proteins that we use. And we came here from evolution. To claim that humans are better than animals that eat meat and therefore shouldn't succumb to lesser urges is ludicrous. That distances people from animals, it doesn't bring them closer together.
My cat, who is at this moment eating from a bowl of food I buy for her, is much better off than she would be in the wild. I will admit that she doesn't have the same freedom to roam that wild cats or even outdoor cats do. But that is because she is a shelter cat who was put there because she is terrified of other cats. Despite that, she gets very lonely. The one time she got out, I found her cold, scared, and hungry hiding two houses away. It turns out that she lost a fight with a neighborhood cat (who was only about half her size) and got infected from it.
Another wonderful thing that animals have helped humans with: medicine. As much as PETA claims to support equality of all living creatures, they don't seem to act on it. An early PETA Vice President actually used animal-insulin instead of synthetic insulin (because it hadn't been invented yet). Then after it's invention, continued to use animal insulin. Then after a decade of synthetic insulin (still derrived from animals and a product of animal research) was approved by the FDA, she switched. Now, I don't think that we should test on animals just for fun (just like I don't think we should test on people for fun), but there is a step in the process where we are pretty sure we know what we're doing, but not sure enough. Animal testing goes into this medium state. Today there are many regulations on animal testing aiming to use few animals, use alternatives when possible, and minimize suffering. Is it ideal? No, but we are doing what we can in an effort to seek the greater good.
I'd also like to throw a couple quick facts about PETA out there. They euthenize more animals than any animal shelter (both in number and in proportion). They are opposed to the practice of keeping animals as pets. PETA has, in the past, supported the actions of the ALF, which is classified as a terrorist group by the FBI. The FBI is also looking for financial connections between PETA and the ALF or ELF. Just in case you were wondering... | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters
Posted: 7/28/2008 6:42:23 PM | ^^^^^^
now you can count 2 PETA members, I am a proud member-
so you're saying they are on the FBI terror list, oh no!!!!
anyone opposed to war could be on that list, so I'm not impressed, most of what you listed is not true, but meat eaters love to believe the worst things about this organization ... so go for it~ | |
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| Animal rights group turns its fire on celebrity meat-eaters
Posted: 7/28/2008 9:03:52 PM | Actually, most of the people opposed to the war wind up on the TSA's terrorist watch list. The FBI is far too busy to track things like that. And I didn't say they were on the FBI list, they are known sponsors of a group that is on it and are being investigated by the FBI for financial connections.
Also, if everything I say is a lie, why does PETA's website agree with me that the official stance of PETA is against pet-ownership?
http://www.peta.org/campaigns/ar-petaonpets.asp
Same line on PETA's stance on euthenasia as preferable to pets being in pounds?
http://www.peta.org/MC/factsheet_display.asp?ID=39
I mean I know PETA has had some trouble with PETA.org in the past (because it was initially owned by a satirical site, which PETA later did to at least two other companies). But I'm pretty sure that articles currently on their website roughly line up with their ideologies.
And it isn't just meat eaters, by the way. Many vegetarians oppose PETA. Not to mention 9 other animal rights groups oppose PETA on the grounds that it undermines the cause by their extreme stances and actions. Although, you can keep listening to what PETA says about PETA, I'm sure they are being less biased than the rest of us. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2008 9:19:32 PM | Peta....sigh. A symptom of a much bigger problem. And does anyone really give a flying fart about what celebrities THINK? Good Grief!!! Thinking is the last thing they are paid for. Most of them are hollow souls that only look good when pretending to be someone else in front of a camera.
Sadly, so many people look up to them. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2008 9:27:40 PM | Don't give up on your beliefs and remember that any good cause has always started out with those who fought vigorously against it , just like human slavery and the like.
Can you imagine the ridicule faced by the abolitionists during the time of slavery??!! That is the way it always is when you ask people to change a bad habit but we are winning . or should I say, the animals are winning slowly but surely.
Seriously....did you just fracking equate eating food with slavery? Eating a salad is equal to the covert actions of the underground railroad going north?
Its statements like that make the whole PETA vegan/ veganism movement stand out as clearly belonging to the insane. PLEASE use different rhetoric! I don't believe in your silly movement in the slightest and I find it insulting that you make those kinds of comparisons. Please, eat a tomato and be well, vegans, but don't tell us that you are now heroic because you only eat things that can't possibly fight back.
Oh, and Peta/ALF? You guys listening? Hey, good....I just wanted you to know what a great job you did last year sabotaging that Mink Farm in Rochester, WA. Tens of thousands of farm raised Minks running through the woods and getting squashed on the highway! That was just awesome!!! They way those little guys ate everything in their path, spread farm-specific diseases to the general wildlife and generally ended up starving to death within two weeks really showed your commitment to ending animal cruelty.
Jerks. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2008 9:55:37 PM | Robodeer, yes I am comparing what has and is currently happening to the animals to what has happened to the slaves as well as any other atrocity that has taken place such as the holocaust and the like and many other intelligent people see this comparison as a fair one. As Jeremy Bantham pointed out in his writings that in all the arguments that humans have to prove that they are supperior to animals in suffering they are our equals.
You are obviously too ignorant and blind to understand this comparison so I am therefore not going to bother reading any further posts by you.
What you need to do is get some sort of an education first before you start discussing and trying to understand the meaning behind the animal rights movement.
I do not have the time nor the patience to discuss this topic with someone so ignorant!
The only suggestion I can make to you in closing is to read the book "Animal Liberation" by Peter Singer and than perhaps you would better understand it, but I somehow doubt that you will as you seem way to closed minded to do so.
I just wish you did not own a dog as you do not seem to have the proper heart for animals.
"the question is not can they reason nor can they talk but can they suffer"- Jeremy Bentham
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Posted: 7/28/2008 10:13:23 PM | For any interested parties. I would just like to make a correction to my last post, it was actually Peter Singer that said, "All the arguments to prove man's superiority can not shatter this hard fact: In suffering, the animals are our equals."
-- - Animal Liberation
I mistakenly thought that it was Jeremy Bantham that said this | |
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Posted: 7/28/2008 10:37:02 PM | Actually, from a purely scientific perspective, the question of animal intellect is an extremely relevant and debated question. We know that animals do not have concepts of belonging to a greater community. We know that abstract concepts such as history are beyond their comprehension. Many of the animals that testing is performed on struggle with concepts such as distinguishing self from others. These sorts of things are very important in true understanding of suffering.
Beyond the psychological capacity argument is the neural one. Simply put, animals do not feel pain in the same way humans do. Humans feel pain the way they do because of our central nervous system. Many animals lack a nervous system as developed as ours are and as a result, cannot possibly feel pain in the same way a human can. On top of that, the psychological trauma associated with pain is actually rather complicated. In many species pain stems from an avoidance mechanism, or a learned behavior/response pattern. Pain is more complicated than that in species with a concept of self and personal history.
But to an even more basic level, most scientific experimentation is actually done to houseflies. Houseflies actually have no mechanism for detecting pain whatsoever. None. They only have limited ability to adapt to change in capability. Meaning, they can't tell if a left leg is cut or if their right one is longer, it doesn't matter to them. But to claim that they feel pain in any meaningful way requires a definition of pain that doesn't include either feeling pain physically or emotionally.
I am personally of the opinion that plants, animals, and people are all equal. We should try and avoid inflicting pain or suffering on any of them. We should avoid unnecesarily destroying them. But is ok to use them if there is something legitimate to be gained from it. I consider medicine and a full stomach to be legitimate gains.
Also, really quick: defining someone who disagrees with your viewpoints to be unintelligent and denying them the right to discourse is the antithesis of discussion. It also indicates a very poor apprehension of intelligence. Whether you think he is right or wrong in disagreeing with the comparison of KFC to the holocaust is irrelevant, he is able to intelligently express his disagreement. If you wish to go to a forum where disagreement on an issue like that isn't allowed, look either to PETA's own forums or the ADL. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 7:07:34 PM | ^^^^^
Actually, most of the people opposed to the war wind up on the TSA's terrorist watch list. The FBI is far too busy to track things like that
the FBI too busy to track war protestors !!!!
are YOU serious?
google FBI and war protestors and you can get tons of information concerning the FBI tracking individuals and/or groups opposed to war
apparently they have more time on their hands than you may think...
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