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| God is in everyone! Some people believe this, but...
Posted: 7/9/2008 4:27:26 AM | God is manifested in those who call to him and invite him into their hearts.
It is then , through his spirit you will see the same in others' who have done
the same.People who are cruel ect. will not hold his spirit within them.
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| God is in everyone! Some people believe this, but...
Posted: 7/9/2008 6:02:41 AM | Perhaps the problem is in seeing GOD in the Western view. That is, GOD is all good and Satan is all evil. Two seperate entities. GOD can't do or be evil and Satan can't do or be good.
In the Eastern view, GOD is everything, the Ying and the Yang- the good and the evil.
When seen in this manner, humans are definately like GOD. | |
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| God is in everyone! Some people believe this, but...
Posted: 7/9/2008 3:43:22 PM | The reason for discord is free will. You guys have been asking some really easy questions lately.
As far as how would you recognize God.
Silly, how could you NOT recognize God if He came to your front door? Moses recognized him in a burning bush for Christ's sake (blasphemy intentional may God forgive me). | |
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| God is in everyone! Some people believe this, but...
Posted: 7/9/2008 8:16:55 PM | | Hmmm, How deep should I go into this.... Science and religion both agree, there was the void and then BAM! From nothing evolved all we can see and much we have yet to discover. But one thing is clear. We are here and we are conscious of being here because we have a mind and senses that tell us so. From nothing became universes and some contained life and life contains consciousness and the bodies that it inhabits. The trouble is separating the mind from our pure consciousness. The Bible tries to simplify this with the story of Adam and Eve and uses "The fall of man" by eating the fruit of the tree of "Knowledge" of (good and evil). Mind stuff. People lost touch with our creative source (some call God) when they fell into "spiritual darkness" by attaching their values to ego based and fleeting things for their sense of "self" worth. The job, the car, the religious or political affiliation etc... Have you ever listened to the endless stream of thoughts that dance across the stage of your mind? It's chaotic. Worries of the future. Regrets of the past. But sit and listen without judgment for five minutes and then ask yourself who's the silent observer of these thoughts? The mind is like our lungs or our heart. It runs on auto-pilot. The observer is our pure, eternal spirit. That which came from the infinite potentiality of the intial BANG some years ago. That silent observer is God in it's divisible form. The universe unfolding and evolving. The mind is the ego clinging to form. Striving for individuality. That is why people treat eachother so badly. The "God" in them is lost to the ego controlling them. The fall of man as he/she eats from the fruit of knowledge. "Be at peace and know I am God" requires surrender of the ego. Buddhists teach the end of suffering through the reliquishment of the ego too. But the X-tian and the Muslim and the Jew all argue over superficial dogmas until every child has shed blood fighting for a simple missunderstanding of their respected masters teachings. Nearly every great spiritual teaching pointed to the same truth. And if the term "God" had not been so abused and Miss-used it might have reached your own consciousness avoiding the need for such a question as you posed here. I really had to skip alot of points to connect the dots but hopefully you get the main point. | |
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| God is in everyone! Some people believe this, but...
Posted: 7/11/2008 2:51:33 PM | | Actually, science and religion do not agree. The scientific evidence does not support the idea that "there was the void and then BAM! From nothing evolved all we can see and much we have yet to discover." The Big Bang wasn't a literal explosion. It's a bit of a misnomer. The Big Bang describes how the universe expanded from a primordial hot and dense condition at some finite time in the past and how it continues to expand to this day. Whereas the biblical account is says simply "...and then a miracle occurred" as the explanation of the origin of the universe. To say the science is in agreement with biblical Genesis is to to both misread both biblical mythology and the science. I also question this notion of "pure consciousness" for which you assert as an unstated major premise. I must have missed that day in psychology class. What is this pure consciousness and how is it different from the mind?" From what mechanism or cause does it derive? And which historians are you citing when you discuss this cultural event when people fell into "spiritual darkness by attaching their values to ego based and fleeting things for their sense of "self" worth?" I must have missed that day in history class too. Now you also said, "The mind is like our lungs or our heart." This is a false analogy. The brain is like our lungs or our heart in that they're all organs in the human body. The mind is construct meant to describe the the effects of the brain like vision describes the effects of the eye. Then you said, "Nearly every great spiritual teaching pointed to the same truth." Name two. As you yourself describe above, all the "spiritual leaders" have come to different conclusions and the consequence of their ideological disagreements has been the cause of great suffering and death throughout human history. And by eliminating "the X-tian and the Muslim and the Jew," you're left with few spiritual leaders to choose from. And the buddhists, which you cite, typically have no gods at all. It's also interesting that while chastising most human beings on Earth for being egotistical, you've arrived at the conclusion that everyone who disagrees with your view of the universe has merely abused or misused the true meaning of god. With thinking like that, it's hard to imagine why all those Jews, Xtians, Muslims would have warred with each other so long. | |
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| God is in everyone! Some people believe this, but...
Posted: 7/11/2008 3:41:17 PM | Some say God is in everyone and everything, is eternal, and is one...meaning all one.
Others say we are all individuated aspects of 'the One' (God).
Others say we are all part of the 'Great Spirit'....
Why are we not always eternally loving and respectful then, you ask? well, because if God is everything, then God is everything - including those aspects of us that are not necessarily considered 'Godly'.
In the Conversation with God books, it is explained extremely well - (and I just stuck to reading 'the Big guy's' words and not the 'author's seemingly more ego-based words)....
There HE says in order for us to know how to be 'in the light' (my words), or to see how to be, how to act, how to be respectful, what works, (essentially and ultimately),
we must also see and learn what not to do - how not to be - what does not work for humanity. (for you can't see the light without having the darkness to contrast it.)
HE also says many of our beliefs humans hold these days are based on quite convincing and deeply embedded illusions - things like 'there is never enough', when in reality, there is always enough - according to him.
HE says our illusions have resulted in our core beliefs that are distorted and therefore (in my words) our actions are distorted.
He says once we recognize the illusions, then we can recognize our true nature - which is loving.
He says he gave us free will, so he would never interfere with that - so we have to learn this stuff for ourselves - although he also says we already know this - it is much more
RE - MEMBER -ING who we really are.....(which is also remembering what God really is too.....again my words).
There were 8 "Conversation with God" books written over about a 10 year period, starting with Books 1, 2 and 3, and ending with "Home with God in a Life that Never Ends". Each one is fascinating (to me) and each one really explains the answers to your questions, OP, really quite incredibly. I would highly recommend them to anybody - anybody who can read them and not see them as blasphemy, (which, sadly, some from traditional religions found limited their being able to read them and see their wisdom).
One of the 'gems' that really moved me reading them were these words -
'God' says, "I have sent you nothing but angels and miracles."
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| God is in everyone! Some people believe this, but...
Posted: 7/11/2008 7:09:46 PM | WeAre1
I read the first three CWG books (thanks to Sassy) and you are absolutely right on the button here. I would love to read further editions... it seems you have wetted my appetite for more... thanks! | |
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| God is in everyone! Some people believe this, but...
Posted: 7/12/2008 9:37:40 PM |
If everyone's special then nobody is special.
If everyone is god then nobody is god.
If nobody is special, then what is everyone? Not special? if they are not special, as in having value to some others, then it's denying their worth. If nobody has value, then we are all the same in value. Which means nobody is bad. Which means everyone is the opposite of bad; that is, everyone's good, or special.
If everyone is god, we can all be god. In other words, god being present in everyone does not take away from everyone's quality of godliness. This construct is not analogous to the "special" issue. Which I criticised above employing a "bait-and-switch" logical fallacy, so it can be shot down easily. But that's harder or impossible to do to the criticism of the god-logic. In the beginning there was god, and nobody else. He was everyone. He was still god, because he created the world. (According to the Bible. I'm talking logical, lingual constructs here, not matters of faith.) If there were others, such as the angels, and god created the world, then if he was in everyone else as well, he'd still be god, because he created the world. The others may or may not have helped in the creative activity, but if they were, they would not take away from the fact that someone created the world ex nihil. Therefore it stands that it is not true that if everyone was god then nobody would be god. | |
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| God is in everyone! Some people believe this, but...
Posted: 7/13/2008 2:26:58 PM | I think the ongoing struggle within ourselves is the greatest reason for discord. We have after all, three brains in one. Our innermost is the primitive reptilian, the next outer is the early mammalian and finally, wrapped outside is the great cerebral cortex which is fully developed in humans for the purpose of perception and thought conveyance. And so the "beast" we must battle is within us. It is said that our consciousness exits the body surprisingly easily when it is under threat. Our actual experience of death is far less gruesome than the sight our mangled body might convey to a beholder. So why are we so prone to fear when we can exist without our bodies?
I think our triumph over "the beast", that is, our aggression toward others will come from important future common knowledge as we realize the truth of our eternal life. We are gods. We cannot be destroyed, merely disembodied; so unless we own stock in a funeral company such as Service Corporation why continue to try to kill one another? | |
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| God is in everyone! Some people believe this, but...
Posted: 7/13/2008 10:10:34 PM |
Our actual experience of death is far less gruesome than the sight our mangled body might convey to a beholder.
That's right, Garry. I also keep hearing from all the people who've come back from the dead telling me the same thing. It's a synch, they say; it's about the same degree of difficulty as turning off a cold-water-tap or doing the zip up on your jeans.
About the three brains: The trinity also manifests as id, ego and superego; and as conscious, sub-conscious and un-conscious. Also as foreground, background and middle-ground. Also as emoting, sensing and reasoning. Also as vacuum-packed bone-marrow, cooked oysters and hard-boiled arguments. | |
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| God is in everyone! Some people believe this, but...
Posted: 7/13/2008 11:33:10 PM | Speaking of three's.....look up "Trialectics", by Oscar Ichazo.....all based on three's....like cause, effect, and result as a very simple example....
Or another simple three is past, present, future (but that is not part of Oscar's theory because, technically, there is 'no time' according to him and many other spiritual teachings also).
My above post that started with
"God is eternal, is in all of us, is in everything, is one without second" is directly from Oscar Ichazo's 'teachings'.....and, it also, to me, is found in the one prayer, perhaps most important prayer in Judaiism....the "Shema".....translated as
"Here o Israel, the Lord, our God, the Lord is One."
There is no denying it to me - from all the teachings and different sides of spirituality I have studied and been exposed to this life - they all say We are one....hence my username and they all include God in the One'ness - or the Great Spirit it can be called, or the Divine, or the Higher Essence, or Consciousness....or the Chi, or Ki, Energy - all Life, or Light, or Love - all aspects of 'God', all connected as one. And if so, then to me, it is highly unlikely God is not within as well as 'without' us....meaning found everywhere - internally and externally.
An interesting tidbit of information I read in, um, which book....can't remember - might have been the Conversation with God books, but can't remember at this moment - wherever I read it - it said - We are not the container of our Higher Essence or Divine Aspect, or Soul.....but our Higher Essence contains us.
So, perhaps God is within us, and we are within God also. | |
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| God is in everyone! Some people believe this, but...
Posted: 7/14/2008 1:31:46 AM | | Question's duly noted: Allow me to clarify. "The Big Bang" (theory) as I recall, relates to a scientific conclusion that all matter is moving outward from a central point at a tremendous amount of speed. The Bible (pick a version) states, "In the beginning was the void". Or God created the heavens and the Earth and then "let there be light". I relate these two issues of "faith" by light=heat=BANG=from nothing, everything! Bible/science /similarities. And the next issue you are seeking to question is referring to consciousness which as you put it, you missed in "psychology class" explains your confusion in reference to my premise. Doesn't psychology deal with the mind? That's where thoughts and emotions dwell. Pure consciousness is beyond thought. We can rise above it through mediattion and deep awareness or fall below it through drugs or even long hours staring at the boobtube, mindlessly. You keep mentioning "class", (psychology, history etc.) when you state your confusion (or is it an attempt at a debate?). I mean no disrespect but I think those statements were attempts to not be as courteous in kind. From what mechanism does consciousness derive? What mechanism holds the energy in your body that our medical equipment can clearly measure? Have you ever tried to be still and silence the mind? Does it not just blast away with thoughts, anxieties, to-do lists etc..? Try it for 5 minutes and then ask yourself, who's the silent observer of these endless chaotic thoughts I can't control? If I can't control them, how is my brain any different than my other autonomous organs? Sure there's physical and mechanical distinctions but let's not be argumentative for arguments sake. What historians? The Adam and Eve myth is a myth and an analogy not a history book. It has many layers of meaning but the one to which I refer is eating of the tree of knowledge (of good and bad) {damn that wicked Eve-lol} and from that event, man has since suffered. Suffering is a disease on this planet and has been since the dawn of time. Why? Mankind has an individual ego as well as a cultural one. The mind attaches itself to fleeting appearances for an ID. Jesus' (another myth, but one of my favorite platforms for spiritual wisdom) whole sermon deals with states of consciousness and their relationship to man's sufferings. "Be still and know I am God"=meditate. AT-ONE-MENT. On this level of awareness you can see and feel the one-ness of all life forms beyond illusions of the ego. No Jew,X-tian, Muslim, man, woman, fat, tall etc.... Don't knock it till you tried it. As for "Name TWO"? Jesus="The father and I are one"/Haven't I said all these things I do, you can do and more"? Haven't I said ye are all gods? ie: we are divisible "aspects" of the one indivisible creative intelligence/source of all there is... ///Buddah= the end of suffering is found in the relinquishment of desires. Ego desires materiality for happiness only to be soon dissappointed when it is lost. Beauty,money, the new job, the big house etc... Jesus? Does worrying add one measure unto your days? notice the lillies of the field, they neither toil nor sow... Don't quote me verbatim but you get my jhist. Or do you? I don't have enough room to school you like your years of academic studies did. Sufi master (name eludes me) says, "I am but a hole in the flute. Listen to the sweet melodies of the Christs breath as it passes through me". Kabbalah. Tree of Life=levels of consciousness and physical evolution. When I speak of human and the ego, it isn't chastising. That's your ego defenses. We all have an ego. It isn't good or bad, lest "thinking makes it so". Ego is what ego does. It's just a problem if it runs loose due to lack of awareness. Abuse of the meaning of god has led to 80% or more of the wars and bloodshed in the world. God's been around since the dawn of time. Someone has always argued that they are the chosen and God's favorite and yet no clear victors since the first drops of blood were spilled? The term "God" puts the unknowable (mind) into a packaged box according to one's beliefs (thoughts). None of which has yielded such sweet fruit as just being "at-one with the source" (experience beyond words) on a level of deep awareness through the act of simply "being". Do you really wonder why all those religious zealots have warred for so long? "Beliefs" rather than experiencial knowledge.. | |
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| God is in everyone! Some people believe this, but...
Posted: 7/14/2008 3:37:36 AM | ^^wow - now you've crammed in so much into one long paragraph!!..thank you. it's a great post, trying desperately to get across what volumes have been trying to say from many perspectives of the pie of spirituality and religious 'truths'....and not the false truths of religion that preaches division and exclusion and a hierarchy of people on who can connect with God - meaning true spirituality cuts out the 'middle men' - saying We are directly connected - always - can not not be 'One with Source', nor one with each other and everything.
and why i have struggled with formal religion as it is preached in my time and for a long time is the theory of it's ok to kill 'in the name of God'....that totally contradicts my understanding of the sacredness and divine aspect of all of us, each of us, The One of Us. | |
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| God is in everyone! Some people believe this, but...
Posted: 7/14/2008 4:26:30 AM | | I'm thinking cram was the right word. How to fit ten pounds of loosely related ideas into a five pound paragraph. There is something to be said for playing fast and loose with reason in pursuit of answers, but I'll let someone else say it. Here's my assumption and a reference containing the same word which leads me into the next premise and its figurative example and if I go through all this fast enough and instruct you to ignore the part where it makes no sense, by the time it's over enough of your own vague ideas will have played across the screen that like with any good fortune telling or horoscope predictions it will have been vague enough to read into it something the you can imagine. And if I see anyone is ready to challenge it I will jump up and use the restroom or get a refill for my coffee or my my look at the time oops there's my bus gotta go. Coffee shop antics, is all it is. The world as it appears when it had been ingested by assignment then shaken not stirred and comes pouring out of the caffeinated blender as thickly smooth with big chunks left. God is in everyone and to some he is in there and swinging his arms about and that person is a paper bag he is trying to fight his way out of, but it's going to take a while because he's mired in the pack rat clutter of a mind that collects snippets at random, throws nothing out because it can be useful, but has no room to do the work it would take to make use of any of it. And although some will disagree (because it is false) let's sail right past that and, well, there's my bus... | |
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| God is in everyone! Some people believe this, but...
Posted: 7/14/2008 6:04:08 AM |
"Actually, science and religion do not agree. The scientific evidence does not support the idea that "there was the void and then BAM! From nothing evolved all we can see and much we have yet to discover." The Big Bang wasn't a literal explosion. It's a bit of a misnomer. The Big Bang describes how the universe expanded from a primordial hot and dense condition at some finite time in the past and how it continues to expand to this day. Whereas the biblical account is says simply "...and then a miracle occurred" as the explanation of the origin of the universe. To say the science is in agreement with biblical Genesis is to to both misread both biblical mythology and the science."
Actually, to take the timespan of the creation of all existance litterally is misreading the biblical "mythology". The days are according to God, and "a thousand years is liek a day to God" is used to show that the timeline isn't meant to be litteral (1000 used to express the point, not to be litteral. I don't think 16.37 Billion years would have been taken by the original audience in the same way we take it).
Science and Religion agree that the primordial hot and dense condition had to have been created (as opposed to always havign been their for an infinite amount of time). Several scientists (people not science) say the universe always was, they are in disagreement with several leading scientists including atheists. The laws of thermodynamics make it impossible for a universe that has existed infinitly to be in the state it is in now. | |
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| God is in everyone! Some people believe this, but...
Posted: 7/14/2008 7:25:31 PM | Excellent!!! People live in their heads...most people have no clue how to be vulnerable and live from their heart...it is sad how quick people are to judge and how much they need to be right instead of feeling and experiencing what really is...and "trusting the process"...trusting life...love...what is truly God within and without...inside and all around us.
"Looking inside...I wake up to your love...looking inside...I wake yup to your love." Devotional Love song/ Chant
May you be gentle with yourself...
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| God is in everyone! Some people believe this, but...
Posted: 7/14/2008 11:13:22 PM | WeAre1,
As you said, "trying". I know it isn't fair to expect people who have long been programmed by scholastic training and various religious institutions to miraculously become open minded to a truth (a truth isn't meant to be taken as , "I have the only truth".) that threatens their own lifelong notions of our relationship to the divine. As for your struggle with formal religion, I offer you this: Gnostic Christians were the original authors of the Jesus story. They took pagan deities and re-worked them into a god of gods who most average people could relate to. (The masses). Pagan mystics knew their teachings were fabled storylines interwoven with universal wisdom as did the Kabbalists and the Sufi's and so on. But as the numbers grew, offshoots branched out until mythology became literalism. If not for all the universal truth within the stories and geographical accuracies, no sane and intelligent person would follow any of these religions. But it was in Constantinople in 325 ad when the major Christian shift took place and the original teachings of love led to mass death and unity led to multitudes of divisions. "Differing" X-tian sects alone, number around 20,000 today. One book, one god (or two or the trinity), but thousands of variations all believing they hold the keys to heaven (in the afterlife). The sermons attributed to Jesus speak of heaven NOW and an afterlife later. A literal interpretation of something like, "Blessed are they who mourn" at first seems morbid and cruel but unfortunately most people won't open up (go beyond ego to pure consciousness) until they suffer beyond what they can tollerate and then they surrender the ego "and shall be comforted". It's great to share thoughts with you. I'd write you elsewhere but you don't accept communications from smokers... Yeah, "I'm a sinner"....lol
I really like your psychic energy though. You've got a little wiccan vibe to you. | |
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