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Posted: 7/7/2008 9:02:58 AM |
peer-reviewed journal I'm asking for a credible source
Ok to be honest im not even sure if there is one out there that has not been effected by some kind of money cash flow by some company that only wants to see positive comments about the products they deem to be good for humanity.
Take for example the FDA who is in the pocket of the big pharma companies. All the peer reviewed magazines or whatever else having to do with peer reviews or a Dr who put up their rep for money so then they give postive feedback for any pill being pushed leaving out all negative side effect giving only a few minor ones.
Now really who is to say what is credible when most of the respectable companies you rely on for approvals are only giving positive light on products being paid for. Now there is alot of evidence you see all kinds of articles about ties with Pharma and FDA. Even your Govt is being paid to passed in order to push more pills down your throat because they care. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 7:03:46 PM | | Yeh, I skimmed through that book. It's very interesting. I think that the vibrations are all around us anyway, not just in water. This is why I can't live in an urban area. I need trees, nature to "clean me out". | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 7:07:38 PM |
Ok to be honest im not even sure if there is one out there that has not been effected by some kind of money cash flow by some company that only wants to see positive comments about the products they deem to be good for humanity.
What products? Peer-reviewed scientific journals aren't about selling products. Even the "thoughts affect water" idea isn't related to products. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 10:52:14 PM |
Take for example the FDA who is in the pocket of the big pharma companies.
Serious accusation. I'm sure you have the evidence to back it up. Care to share?
All the peer reviewed magazines or whatever else having to do with peer reviews or a Dr who put up their rep for money so then they give postive feedback for any pill being pushed leaving out all negative side effect giving only a few minor ones.
Now, that's pretty funny. Not only is that a Federal felony but it's also grounds for malpractice and license cancellation. Would you care to name names? Did you also know that many science journals have blinded peer review so that the reviewer does not know the author? You sure are one funny fella! Anyone who doesn't know you would think that you are irresponsible and ignorant for making these types of accusation but you and I know better, right?
Now there is alot of evidence you see all kinds of articles about ties with Pharma and FDA. Even your Govt is being paid to passed in order to push more pills down your throat because they care.
More funny stuff! Please stop! Articles but no prosecutions? I wonder why that is? Could it be that you're either misunderstanding the articles or the pulp you read is reporting irresponsibly?
For Ed's sake, why would the FDA talk to the people it's regulating anyway? That's not right! Regulators and industry should communicate only with shadow puppets.
Please keep posting this stuff. Laughter is the best medicine!  | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 5:43:45 AM | Ok well all you have to do is look, its not that hard. Unless of course you like living under rose coloured glasses. If the FDA truly cared about people then they would not pass thru the drugs they do on a regular basis or allow them to do direct to consumer marketing. They do alot of scare tactics on products and the peer reviewed Bs is paid for by them.
Sure i can state that allllllll day. They pay Dr and who ever else they have to buy off in order to sell the pills they are pushing at that time. Look at the link i have from the start of this post.
I could find a hell of alot more but why bother you wont be satisfied either.
This all breaks down to Money, you cannot process anyone who is worth Billions of dollars and if you do not realize this fact then you will forever walk around like the world everything is peachy and there is never war to make more money for the banks.
Here is the topic
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts10347243.aspx | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 6:21:36 AM | Ok well all you have to do is look, its not that hard. Unless of course you like living under rose coloured glasses. If the FDA truly cared about people then they would not pass thru the drugs they do on a regular basis or allow them to do direct to consumer marketing. They do alot of scare tactics on products and the peer reviewed Bs is paid for by them.
If you think FDA regulation process is flawed, take a walk in to your local "health store". Totally unregulated. Long as its "natural", they can promise anything(with no science to back up their claims), damn the side effects(its natural so there can't be any right?).
FDA approval process is lengthy, but not perfect. Most drugs never make to market because they fail during the FDA approved trials. Nobody wants to get drugs approve that cause harm, but it happens from time to time mainly due to the fact that there can be a wide range of reaction to a drug. Drug companies wine and dine doctors for the opportunity to educate them about their drugs. Most doctors work long hours and struggle to keep up with advancements in their field, so drug companies are competing with what little free time that the doctors have to sell them on their products.
I'm so sick of reading about the evils of corporations, government, and scientist that I could scream. Corporations anymore are mainly public own. Heads of corporation & government change constantly. They have families and friends just like anybody else and like anybody else their motives and ethics are much the same as anybody else. The first day of their new job they don't change into the capitalist that are portrayed in fiction. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 8:36:47 AM | Ok well do you realize that your body is electric and absolutely NO PILL they make that is synthetic will ever cure anything besides dsitracting your body from the pain. NOthing that is made to cure anything only deal with the symptoms of the disease. The word DIS-EASE is made for a reason, your body is at Dis - Ease. Your body needs live fresh foods or at least foods that come from live organic foods that are able to active the bodies immune system or white blood cells in order to fight off anything that would pose a threat to your bodies survival.
If you know ANYTHING about human body you will know we are made up of ATOMS AND MOLECULES. The physics of our bodies are ENERGY. WE RUN OFF IT as our spine run signals up and down your spin to your brain. Now the pills they push on you do nothing other then cause your body to use resources it has stored in order to get rid posion you put in your body.
If you really believe the Govt and FDA and who ever else is making money off ignorance and misinformation then go right a head and swallow as much of those pills as you can by all means its the saviour of our lifetime this is why 100s of 1000s of people die as a result of the WONDERFUL and beautiful science the FDA spins out. Why natural supplements killed less then bee stings a year or even with in the last 5years.
Have a wonderful day :D
E-BOOK
http://books.google.ca/books?id=4idMNpe04qgC&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=Human+body+ATOMS+AND+MOLECULES+energy&source=web&ots=jyg8AE7SEU&sig=tZX7ARgCPl01a9srbU70wz2ZB3c&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result
http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/farabee/BIOBK/BioBookCHEM1.html | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 10:20:30 AM |
If you really believe the Govt and FDA and who ever else is making money off ignorance and misinformation then go right a head and swallow as much of those pills as you can by all means its the saviour of our lifetime this is why 100s of 1000s of people die as a result of the WONDERFUL and beautiful science the FDA spins out. Why natural supplements killed less then bee stings a year or even with in the last 5years.
More damn the man stuff
I'm guessing you don't have a shred of proof for any of this, or at least a shred of proof that is the result of controlled studies such as those regulated by the FDA. I'm also betting that if you have cancer, std, deadly infection, etc and your doctor sends you to a health store for a miracle cure, you will immediately get another doctor. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 7:45:43 PM | It all boils down to what you choose to believe. Whether you choose to place your faith in science and chemical based pharmacology, or whether you choose to believe the spirit is stronger than physical. Even science knows about the placebo effect of a sugar pill.
I choose to believe that intention and words have an effect on their environment. The negativity that is spoken or shown on TV and in society tends to get reflected back and magnifies in a continuing cycle - the opposite is also true. Speaking positively and giving encouragement brings back the same. YOU FIND WHAT YOU LOOK FOR.
As for the FDA and the government: Drug patents, taxes paid on sales, taxes paid for services, the immensity of the American insurance and health care coverage that trumpets major miracles of how injecting one chemical into this test tube (patient) can cause this chemical reaction that tends to snowball because of side effects when they take another drug to counteract the effects of the drug they are taking for this. Hippocrates first rule, "Do no harm," seems to have fallen by the wayside. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 9:25:03 PM |
Ok well do you realize that your body is electric
You have a very fundamental misunderstanding of matter, young man. Your links took me to two chemstry sites. The body is not electric. Matter is made of more than electrons. Pound for pound, you have more neutrons and protons in you than electrons. Even the bonding that you posted about is not electric. It's electronic. Look it up.
You really either need to listen better in science class or go back to school. You misunderstood those lessons.
Modern science has people living longer adn healthier lives. Your ignorance won't stop that so why continue it? | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 6:06:53 AM | Interesting reply.....Well now yes i sent it to you in order to understand that yes we are atoms and what not.
here read this
<div class='quote'>The atom is one of the most fundamental particles in ordinary matter. A chemical element is determined entirely by the type of atom it contains, which in turn is determined by the number of protons, electrons and neutrons that constitute the atom. An atom consists of a dense nucleus, consisting of positively charged protons and >>>>> electrically <<<< neutral neutrons, bound together by the strong nuclear force. Surrounding the nucleus at a distance some 10 000 times the nuclear diameter, are the negatively charged electrons, constrained by their electrostatic attraction to the nucleus. When the number of protons in the nucleus equals the number of electrons, the atom is electrically neutral; otherwise it is an ion and has a net positive or negative charge. An atom is classified according to its number of protons and neutrons: the number of protons determines the chemical element and the number of neutrons determines the isotope of that element
The basic mechanism is using ions (charged atoms) or other charged particles, like the negatively charged OH-molecule in basic (as opposed to acidic) environments.
Creating charged particles usually means that you get a positive charge for each negative charge that is created, so the main work in maintaining the charge is to keep positive and negative charges separate.
This is usually done passively by semi-permeable membranes, which will only let one kind of particle, but not the other, pass through. If the particles that can pass the membrane are positive, they will carry a net positive charge to the other side of the membrane and leave a negative charge behind.
The body also has active ion pumps, usually complex protein molecules, that can carry ions through a membrane even against a repelling force, and ion channels that can quickly admit lots of particles through cell walls.
A combination of these mechanisms is used throughout the body to first maintain charges and then move them at appropriate times, which creates a current.
We know from physics that any moving charge creates electromagnetic waves, and the waves created by the heart muscle and the brain can then be picked up by EEG machines.
I think this sums it up. How do you think atoms work. I think you might have clean off the oil you used to wipe your glasses for a more clearer view on this. thanks
http://www.celtoslavica.de/bibliothek/electricity.html
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Posted: 7/9/2008 6:14:23 AM | | Its too hots reaction to your links was the same as mine. The information in it wasn't at all pertinent to the discussion - neither is the quote you pulled from it. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 7:46:27 AM | There could be 500 hot reactions but that does not make you right. Just because others might agree with your view does not effect the information.
Its like everyone saying that water is acid and melts your insides. 5million could think that but it does not make it true.
Anyways i started this in another topic | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 1:29:02 PM | I find it interesting that people will put so much faith in peer review. Lets take the most common thing we find in processed food, msg. this flavour enhancer as it is referred to has been peer reviewed so many times and even deemed so safe the FDA has placed it on the list of substances known as "Generally Recognized As Safe" (GRAS),right along with sugar, baking powder, salt, and pepper.
Who says that his findings are not reproducible?
Who in peer review is credible? If such things as msg can be deemed safe by scientists then i think there is a serious problem with the scientific community.
What makes Dr. Emoto non credible? and by who? A few people on POF? lol...
I don't know if what he claims is true or not, however it is very interesting and should be studied further because the implications of his work are far reaching.
As far as the comment of high powered people being normal every day people, i think that is highly debatable and probably provable that they are not if one took the time case by case but who has the time or cares enough to spend that kind of time to prove the obvious. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 6:36:11 PM |
Well now yes i sent it to you in order to understand that yes we are atoms and what not.
Thanks but you needn't have bothered. I've got a degree in science and I know full well what an atom is and what ions are. However, that was not your original claim. Your original claim is that electricity drives everything in our bodies and that is absolute nonsense. There are many non-ionic substances that have profound effects in the body.
Otherwise, everything you've written in this post is correct, per se. Taken together, you make breathtaking illogical jumps. You need to keep magnitudes of order in mind before you proclaim that everything is electric or that the electromagnetic waves have sod all to do with anything in your body. Also, only the nerves carry enough current to register on an EKG or an EEG. Muscles don't. And an EEG is the measurement of brain activity, not cardiac activity, so you made a boo-boo there.
Like I said, your knowledge of science is deeply flawed. You need a refresher course, that is, assuming you ever knew this stuff. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 6:43:32 PM |
I find it interesting that people will put so much faith in peer review.
I think you're talking about plain old review, not peer review although I do agree with your statement.
Peer review is where another professional of similar or greater expertise (a peer) reviews a paper submitted for publication for novelty, usefulness, completeness, etc. Passing peer review does not in any way confirm the findings or statements in the paper. It merely means that the paper is saying something new and presenting new data that is complete and contributive to that science. That's all it is. Most people trust the peer review process insofar as somewhat of a guarantee that a trained expert has read it and found no monkey business.
Review of a chemical is usually an exhaustive review of all the data known about a chemical such that MSG has been declared safe in that a normal dose will not cause a negative effect in a human. All substances are toxic but you have to find out what the FDA used as it's reasonable dose. Yes, you can kill someone with MSG as you can with any other substance so it has to be taken in the context of a reasonable exposure. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 8:16:18 PM | If anything it all proves very strongly the one thing that I do believe in...THOUGHTS BECOME THINGS.....
So...excuse me, I have to go talk to my water now (what have I got to lose??)....I just wonder what would happen to the molecular structure of the water BOTTLE if we let Al Gore talk to it?????  | |
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Posted: 7/15/2008 7:17:09 PM | ya, I'm with you.
So much cynicism against something that has no proof to not be real. 
Can you prove to me all those things that you believe so firmly are true, without just spewing someone elses ideas?
My point is that we all chose our beliefs.
All beliefs can be proven or discredited. It's just the nature of rationalizing.
At one time you may have been killed for believing the earth is round. now that everyone believes this, you may be killed for believing otherwise.
So, why show such hostility and certainty for something you may just not know about?  | |
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Posted: 7/15/2008 9:16:52 PM | At one time you may have been killed for believing the earth is round. now that everyone believes this, you may be killed for believing otherwise.
No, there are still people around who believe the earth is flat or that it is hollow. We don't kill them. We don't even want to kill them. But we do leave them very, very alone.
So, why show such hostility and certainty for something you may just not know about?
Some of these claims are doing serious harm to society and some individuals. They may look innocuous or even silly in this venue but many of these absurdities are doing real harm.
Ah, yes, I too have memories of water.  | |
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Posted: 7/16/2008 10:05:26 PM | now a days we don't hold the Belief that we can kill someone for strange thinking. before it was more common. That's just another example of the way beliefs shape our actions.
What harm is it to believe that water has memory? sure some of these people are the neurotic-hypochondriac type who may cause harm to themselves in these beliefs, but they exist regardless of unconventional thought.
My idea that water IS memory is based on my the fact that everything in the universe is made of the same stuff: atoms; (beyond to subatomic, then to quantum particles...on and on to energy itself).... so, what determines the differences in the stuff it produces? why you? why me? why that or this? where are the directions coming from?
It's all memory (a form of energy). | |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 12:34:07 AM | I read this post as if the writer were having a laugh. I suggest others do as well.  | |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 12:37:52 AM | Gyspyweed, very wise words, very profound thank you for sharing. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 7:23:09 PM |
What harm is it to believe that water has memory? sure some of these people are the neurotic-hypochondriac type who may cause harm to themselves in these beliefs, but they exist regardless of unconventional thought.
The seemingly-innocent ranting of water memory lies behind the scam of homeopathy. If you've never heard of it, it's quackery that insists that a toxin is its own antitoxin but must be ultra-dilute. Followers will "cure" themselves of various ailments by guessing that some herb will cause the same ailment, and imbibe an extract of that herb that is so dilute, there is almost no chance that even one molecule of any of the components of the plant will be ingested. It can be said to a homeopath that, if it doesn't work, dilute it with water and it will get more powerful. There are many companies getting rich of people that delusional or that desperate for any type of hope that they leave reason behind.
I would agree with you that these people will invariable be relieved of their money in any number of ways but I'm supposed to care. Why, I don't know.
My idea that water IS memory is based on my the fact that everything in the universe is made of the same stuff: atoms; (beyond to subatomic, then to quantum particles...on and on to energy itself).... so, what determines the differences in the stuff it produces? why you? why me? why that or this? where are the directions coming from?
That's a damned good question. Scientifically, the nature of matter has everything to do with the number of protons, neutrons and electrons in the atoms that compose a certain thing. But why does lead act differently than mercury? Don't know. It just does. It is a mystery to me also. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 7:38:36 PM |
Once someone really sticks a label on you, you have to fight to keep from living up to it.
or you choose to ignore it (the label)
either way you still choose.... | |
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