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Posted: 7/29/2008 1:53:07 AM |
Just because mainstream whatever accepts something doesn't mean it is more true, ergo valid - just more accepted.
Ummm...no, it doesn't mean it's "more true" but it does mean it's "more likley to be true based on the evidence that exists so far". That's how it becomes the mainstream belife!!
So it can't be proven, so what? There was a time we couldn't prove that the world was round or that gravity held us to the earth - so did gravity not exist before we gave it a name and quantified it?
This “world being flat” thingy is the example everyone always uses. But the thing is, there is only one intelligent way to form your beliefs. You look at the evidence which is available and you find an explanation which best explains that evidence. There was a time in history when the most intelligent thing to believe was that the world was flat. Anyone who existed at that time and believed that the world was round, might have been correct by coincidence, but they where still stupid because it is still stupid to believe something based on no evidence what-so-ever. Later in history, new evidence became available, and it gradually became less and less stupid to believe that the world is round. As this new evidence became available, and science started to realize that the world might in fact be round, it was the bloody church who preached that it was impossible!!! In my opinion, nothing has changed since then! The church still holds back science and prevents the world from knowing as much as it could ha ha ha ha.
Your argument is the argument of a 2 year old (and of the church ha ha). You seem to think that because something can’t be proven wrong, it should be thought of as correct. How ridicules. I can make up some bullshit that you can’t prove wrong. There will be no evidence to suggest that is correct, but if no one can prove it wrong, will you believe it??? Maybe you will ha ha ha!! | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 1:57:13 AM |
I grew up being told I was basicaly evil aka child abuse and while some ppl at that time thought it was funny and made fun of me in light of it... I did not find it funny…etc
What the hell are you on about?? Ha ha…this is like Chinese whispers. I love how these threads end up being about nothing to do with he original topic lol. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 6:24:03 AM |
This “world being flat” thingy is the example everyone always uses.
You are right people use it a lot, but frankly they know not what they do - it is a myth(unless you are talking about pre-bronze age civilization)!
http://www.bede.org.uk/flatearth.htm | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 6:25:44 AM | Agreed with desertrhino...it did not pass double-blinting (observer bias) testing and thus cannot be considered science
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 8:32:10 AM | Your argument is the argument of a 2 year old (and of the church ha ha). You seem to think that because something can’t be proven wrong, it should be thought of as correct. How ridicules. I can make up some bullshit that you can’t prove wrong. There will be no evidence to suggest that is correct, but if no one can prove it wrong, will you believe it??? Maybe you will ha ha ha!!
Poor Ahron, Your brain is riddled with venom and hatred - so you lash out at anything that is not "scientific." If we are truly being scientific, then your theory that my argument is that of a 2 year old is just balderdash - do you know any 2 year olds? Have you emperically tested your theory on any 2 year olds? Have you collected your evidence, repeated your results and compiled it so that you can present it to your peers? I don't think I've seen any articles on my argument being the argument of a 2 year old in peer-reviewed journals, so alas, I must conclude your theory is bunk.
As for religion, you should stop and listen to yourself - a wee bit on the dogmatic side of science, doncha think? I have met plenty scientific minds who are so locked into their processes that they are incapable of any true scientific brilliance. A true scientist keeps his/her mind open to possibilities - even something as unprovable as water memory. A true scientist is not so insecure that he/she has to tear at everything that does not fit into the "scientific process." A true scientist would consider if the topic was worthy of his/her time and if he/she decided it wasn't, he/she would move on and quit trying to force the rest of us to agree with you.
Peace, joy and prosperity to you, Ahron. Just please try not to judge those who you do not know. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 9:06:31 AM | | Neaptide, I agree with you in that just because it isn't science it doesn't have to be degraded...but until it is accepted by the scientific comunity it must be treated as philosophy...which there is nothing wrong with...many scientific proofs began as philosophic arguments... | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 9:52:35 AM |
Poor Ahron, Your brain is riddled with venom and hatred - so you lash out at anything that is not "scientific."
Only when someone presents it as science. Frankly I don't think its venom and hatred, it sounds more like frustration and if that is so, I'm with him all the way. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 9:59:26 AM |
Spinor, Well said!
hey! Even string theory is, at the moment, more philosophy and math than it is science :) | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 10:02:33 AM | Oh, no.... now the pastafarians are going to invade this thread!  | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 10:45:25 AM | | Oh, and QuietCowboy, whenever someone resorts to insults, it's usually a good sign that there is more going on than just frustration. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 11:19:28 AM |
Agreed with desertrhino...it did not pass double-blinting (observer bias) testing and thus cannot be considered science
Yet science allegedly proves colorblindness in some people. Two observers seeing two different things. Amazing Science. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 11:33:33 AM |
Yet science allegedly proves colorblindness in some people. Two observers seeing two different things.
this is correct, SR postulates that simultaneity is not absolute... | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 12:02:13 PM | Hhhhhmmmmmmm...........Question ....Does anyone know the origin of the substance WATER? If you were present when WATER became then the answer to the confusion and speculation and probability and existance of such would be a MUTE POINT. There would not then exist within the populace any conjecture of what would then be known. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 5:43:08 PM |
A true scientist keeps his/her mind open to possibilities - even something as unprovable as water memory.
neaptide, you have to temper your philosophy with the experience of your audience. In science, anyone making a claim is duty-bound to support it. Anyone claiming that water posses memory is called upon to present evidence. If no evidence is presented, the idea is dismissed. There is no need for anyone to entertain a spurious claim. We are all busy people.
The experience of the scientific community with the specific claim of water memory is that it is used to defraud the credulous of their hard-earned money. This is no innocent proposal we're talking about. It's a fraud and it's used to relieve innocents of their funds on a daily basis. Add to that fact the current status of no evidence presented and you'll see why many scientists recoil at this suggestion. Don't mistake that reaction for a closed mind.
On the other hand, perhaps scientists should stop caring about this stuff. Let the psychics and chakra-merchants bamboozle everyone else. Is ambivalence from scientists what you really want? | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 5:57:07 PM | | Hey I'm no scientist, but by what I'm readin' here it sounds to me like a few of ya have been sampling a wee bit too much of John Jameson's product. What the Irish refer to as "the water of life". ( 80 proof foolishness or intellegence dependin on your point of view) | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 6:51:47 PM | | I don't think they bothered with the good stuff. They just boiled it in the bathtub and called it science. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 8:10:37 PM |
Even string theory is, at the moment, more philosophy and math than it is science
Don't get me wrong here, I more of a standard model guy, but the science behind string theory is that it can be made to fit the data that we have, it doesn't violate any physical laws and has been show to wrong(yet). That makes it very different the open minded topic of water having memory. | |
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Posted: 7/30/2008 10:34:32 AM | I find it interesting how some posters seem ready and willing to unquestioningly accept Emotto's claims as gospel, yet demand a full accounting of my own scientific inquiry. Tools, techniques, and even my attitude are called into question.
Therein lies the difference. If my findings were in accordance with Emotto's, you would have probably been happy, but since I couldn't duplicate his results, I'm labeled a biased non-believer bent on destroying the wonderment of the unknowable universe.
Nothing could be further from the truth. I exist, therefore I question existance. Anything less, to me, would be a waste of free will.
People choose to believe all sorts of things, some are verifiable, most not. Kids believe fervently in Santa, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, etc. until an authority figure breaks the bad news to them that it was all a lie. I'm no authority, just a curious amateur.
My own experiment still stands as the only independent inquiry on this thread. Such a simple set of actions, yet all I read here are declarations of belief. I believe I can fly, but I'll bet there are those who'll scoff. Matters nought to me. It's a matter of perspective...Step out of a plane in mid-air, and you might be surprised how aerodynamic the human body can be at terminal velocity. If water has memory, it stands to reason that air does too, and I'm leaving some pretty happy air in my wake. Breathe deeply, and enjoy my contribution.
Blue Skyz...
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Posted: 7/30/2008 11:44:32 AM | neaptide, you have to temper your philosophy with the experience of your audience. In science, anyone making a claim is duty-bound to support it. Anyone claiming that water posses memory is called upon to present evidence. If no evidence is presented, the idea is dismissed. There is no need for anyone to entertain a spurious claim. We are all busy people.
That's exactly right!!!
That's why i said her arguments are that of a two year old. lol. I don't need to a study with two year olds, because the statment i'm making is not REALLY about two year olds, it's about how pathetic neaptides argument is.
i give up on this thread, there is too many illogical stupid people and people who simply just want to argue for the sake of arguing...like neaptide.
Cheers :)
EDIT: Historicaly to treat depresion they used to put a fork like thingy up the patients nose and mash the front of their brain. Often, the patients became happy, but pretty much brain dead none the less.
All you brain dead ppl who are happy beliving stuff as stupid as water having memory, that's awsome, i'm happy for you ha ha ha ha. | |
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Posted: 7/30/2008 12:21:55 PM | Wow!! I'm SO glad to see I still have the capacity to annoy the shit out of people. I thought I was starting to lose my edge. Now if I could only figure out a way to make some money at it...
Hugs and Kisses, Ahron... love your silly laughter - it is like silver rain falling on my head. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2008 4:02:35 AM | lol.
:)
(this is just an extra sentance cause you can't post messages to short, etc ect ect) | |
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