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| Morgentaler's appointment to the Order of Canada,
Posted: 7/9/2008 4:25:30 AM |
Charles by that logic a chemist that provides consistent potency heroin to junkies to prevent OD's is as "good" as this guy.
More like the doctor that provides methadone, a consitent quality substance that has no impurities, and is available by perscription, that allows many heroin addicts to lead functional lives, and even helps many of them wean their way off of opiate addiction.
Yah, I think the guy who invented methadone treatment probably deserves a reward too.
Still illegal behaviour, but prevents some deaths of people that choose to engage in something illegal.
Yup, frankly I think a life is worth saving, illegaly or not. If a person speeds and gets into a car wreck, I don't think the paramedics should leave them to bleed to death.
Besides there were several other contemporary docs offering this service. He just became a figurehead for a movement to address outdated laws.
It worked. How many of them went to the supreme court with it.
But it was not through any altruistic motives on behalf of the recipient. Read the link I posted above, pushing someone into an abortion that is unsure is NOT giving them the choice it is pushing a personal agenda.
You have one individuals anecdote about something that happened many years ago. Hardly compelling evidence that this doctor was hugely motivated by profit. Especially if it's somebody who nows feels guilt and is attempting to reduce her own personal responsibility.
In his mind he is fighting the nasty Nazi's since he was incapable of doing so as a child. Every fetus he terminates is a "future Nazi" he prevents from existing by his own admitted pet theories.
Going to have to explain that with his own words I'm afraid. | |
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| Morgentaler's appointment to the Order of Canada,
Posted: 7/9/2008 8:24:07 AM | Anyone catch Claire Hoy's piece on Morgentaler? He's against and makes several good points - first of all, that the incidence of 'coathanger' abortions is exaggerated by those seeking to make a point, i.e. Morgentaler's proponents.
He also notes that Canada has no laws whatsoever against abortion...so third trimester abortions aren't outlawed federally.
And to the individual who addressed the fact that it was my birth mother who gave me my life - yes, she did, but would that happen today? I rather doubt it - since when is the inconvenience of a pregnancy deemed more important than a person's life?
Let's face it, today, the odds are highly against any individual 18 year old choosing to give a child up for adoption (my birth mother was that age) - ipso facto, I cease to exist, along with millions of others.
You people supporting Morgentaler keep trying to justify that - I'm the voice that is going to keep reminding you that there are millions, like me, who will never have the chance to meet you, talk to you, love you....be a part of your world.
And you continue to support Morgentaler? Think about it why don't you? What if...you...were me? Or my birth mother? Will you still continue to deny me my life? | |
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| Morgentaler's appointment to the Order of Canada,
Posted: 7/9/2008 10:07:02 AM | So what you're saying is that if there's just a few coathanger abortions, that's OK then, so long as there aren't any abortions performed by competent professionals?
I'm glad your mother birth mother had you. That doesn't give you the right to dictate whether other women should carry their children to full term.
And your last sentence makes it sound like those of us not especially bothered by abortion are in favor of retroactive abortion, that is that a person's life can be taken at any time. That's a rather major leap of logic. | |
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| Morgentaler's appointment to the Order of Canada,
Posted: 7/9/2008 10:28:31 AM | Whatever your personal convictions are regarding the legalities of abortion, can we all agree that this person deserves credit for sticking up for his personal beliefs all the way to the end? Furthermore, the order of canada is not meant to be given to recepients who everyone agrees with or likes. For just about every order of canada recepient you can probably find someone that would oppose them getting it, and Morgentaller is no different.
Has he enriched SOME people's lives - the women who received an abortion would say yes. Has he made a DIFFERENCE in Canada - well the fact that we are even talking about him would suggest yes. So let him have it, and let's get back to living our lives..... | |
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| Morgentaler's appointment to the Order of Canada,
Posted: 7/10/2008 3:03:25 PM |
So what you're saying is that if there's just a few coathanger abortions, that's OK then, so long as there aren't any abortions performed by competent professionals?
No, that is clearly not what I'm saying, but it's quite typical of some debaters to attack a statement in that manner, to defame and insult the speaker by implying something that clearly was not said.
I also quite clearly did not say, nor ever have said in this thread, that I wish to "dictate" (your term) what women do with their bodies. But, again I'm not surprised at the presumption of certain debaters who believe that the other side, in disagreeing with them, adheres to certain ways of thinking. Yet another ad hominem comment.
What I am saying, and what neither you nor anyone else has had the courage to respond to is that, had abortion been as readily available in 1954 as it is now, I'd likely not be here to conduct this debate with you.
That's because the vast majority of women see abortion as an easy out, a way to avoid nine months of discomfort and, oftentimes, a fair measure of shame.
How can you - or Heinlien, with that disgusting quote about population control - pruning I think was the term - someone attributed to him earlier - justify the deaths of millions in the name of 'convenience'? Is life worth so little to you, because quite frankly, that attitude is not far off that of the Nazis towards non-Aryan people, gays, cripples and the mentally incompetent in the 30s and 40s.
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| Morgentaler's appointment to the Order of Canada,
Posted: 7/10/2008 3:10:26 PM |
*- This thread has run it's course and is starting to run offtopic into an abortion pro-con debate which is offtopic. There are existing threads for this elsewhere on the forum...done to death in fact. Participants were told this was offtopic on page one. Thread closed. -TheMadFiddler-* | |
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