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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/4/2008 11:01:21 PM | Rush has over 20 million friends, his audience is more. He's warm to even the many hacks that call in. The post about NPR is incorrect. The audience for the Left's government supported radio network, NPR, has more conservatives listeners than liberal listeners. According the a Pew Research Center study released, conservatives consume far more news than liberals. Including listening to NPR and watching PBS more than liberals. This explains the reason conservatives don't thrive on ignorance, they are well informed and a research center confirmed it. | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 1:24:00 AM | | No, it is the exact opposite. Just that blanket statement is a clear representation of how misinformed the right is. | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 2:43:22 AM | .... what i really don't get.... and what i sit up and take notice of... is this.....
Savage said he sees women who wear burqas as "hateful Nazi[s]" who want to "kill your children"
On the July 2 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, discussing the recent terror-related arrests in Britain, radio host Michael Savage said, "[W]hen I see a woman walking around with a burqa, I see a Nazi," adding, "That's what I see -- how do you like that? -- a hateful Nazi who would like to cut your throat and kill your children." Savage also said that when a Muslim woman wears a burqa, "She's doing it to spit in your face. She's saying, 'You white moron, you, I'm going to kill you if I can.' "
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 6:40:43 AM |
Rush is not a hero. He is a liar and a purveyor of misinformation. You have every right to listen, to believe and to carry on his lies, but he is not a hero.
You continue to call Rush a liar and a purveyor of misinformation? If that were true the media would have a field day with Rush on the news everyday! But they don't, they do how ever montonitor every thing his says daily like vultures....still nothing? | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 6:57:14 AM |
I'm not as drunk today as I was yesterday, so I will speak about Rush in a more civil manner. He knows what his job is. He knows where his money comes from. His job is to be propagandist extraordinaire. His job is to give the public the story the corporations want him to give. His flag waves in what ever direction the corporate wind blows. Completely incorrect...His talk show is number one in the nation because he is beholded to no one!
As long as he does that, he knows he'll always have a job, no matter what his ratings are. Rush has been on the radio now for 20 years ! many stations have came in and off the air during his tendure, because it is all about ratings and Rush owns the ratings! with 20 plus million listeners daily! No other Talk show has that following! {quote] Right wing talk radio is nothing new. There have been pseudo-patriot, indignant, talk shows for as long as there's been radio. The only difference is Rush is still on the air and continues to grow...it's obvious people love to tune in daily! Rush, Hannity, Coulter, O'Reilley, Savage and the others, all do the same dance.
They preach hate, fear, bigotry, intolerance and you can always make a profit doing that. Totally incorrect again..cite out examples of hate and bigotry statements made by Rush Limbaugh? since he is the focus of this post.
We often fool ourselves into thinking their influence is greater than what it really is. The only example needed is Rush Limbaugh program is still number one in Talk Radio...so "we" are not fooling our selves about anything? the facts speak for them selves! The only ones who might be fooling them selves are those whom feel is influence is not as great as it is! | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 7:08:47 AM |
He does express a conservative agenda and seems to not waiver from it. He suggests the idea of adhering to one's beliefs regardless of public opinion. As a result he has earned my respect as someone who encourages leadership among elected officials rather than bowing to opinion polls or bcoming apologetic for not being PC. I like that he promotes the idea of adhering to one's principals regardless. It shows strength of character and integrity, qualities that seem lacking in many public officials who would rather get elected than take a stand on a position and actually lead.
Very well said.... and this is why Rush rules the air waves and why so many on the left and right fear him, because he does not waver and points out very well those who do! He is the worst nightmare any politician can have who goes to Washington and forgets why he was elected.. What makes Rush so feared by politicians and so loved by the audience (20 plus Million) He has more listeners then any one who is elected has voters. | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 7:22:54 AM | | There are tons of books that chronicle his lies. It is a FACT that he lies and distributes misinformation, NOT an opinion. It is an OPINION that he is news. But the FACT is, HE LIES! That's all he does. If you believe anything he says, you are gullible! | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 7:34:47 AM | Ms.Popular,
Rush Limbaugh typifies what an American is all about and his show is like the 4th of July every time. That's the reason he gets a lot of attention, not just the truths he reveals. Truths about politicians to celebrities, and eventually the mainstream media pick up on these truths and broadcast it themselves. Each media outlet such as ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, New York Times and such monitors consevative talk radio, especially Rush Limbaugh and frequently slip in a clip of his show conserning hot issues. Very true....he is the envy of both Radio and T.V. reporters because he does cover the news many skirt around, because he is not beholded to political agandas from the station owners! He has the latitude to tell the real story and not mask it for a slanted view!
The Democrats insisted they needed a radio network "to counterbalance conservative tenor of radio program like The Rush Limbaugh Show." Rush have been driving them crazy for years. CNN dedicated an entire program to figuring out how the "mainstream media" could combat Rush Limbaugh, asking the question "does Rush limbaugh deserve all this attention, and what should the mainstream media be doing about it?" In 1996, the Democratic National Committee went so far as to establish a speakers' bureau/talk radio initiative to strike back at conservative talk radio by monitoring talk radio and teaching themselves "talk radio." Among the "alternative to Rush" that Democrats have tried over the years are former New York governor Mario Cuomo, Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, former Connecticut governor Lowell Weicket, former California governor Jerry Brown, former U.S. senator Gary Hart, and former Virginia governor Doug Wilder. They keep serving up their own dreary radio hosts, and the public keeps turning the dial back to Rush Limbaugh.
The Democrats and Liberals have as you say for many years tried to figure out how to command a listening base that is as loyal as Rush's listener base, one that flourishes without draining their pocket books. To no avail...People tune into Rush daily not to hear one sided babble but want to hear both sides of the issues and air time for those whom disagree with the right, have a chnace to voice their views and opinions...it's real time talk radio with an audience that faithfully listens to issues being covered and discussed by both sides! The key to Rush's success is simple...expose the truth behind the lies...and be proud to be an American!
This week, Rush proved his motto: He really can beat his critics with half his brain tied behind his back. That lovable little fuzz ball El Rushbo Has just proven what he has been saying all along...Now he has stunned the media world with a contract that will pay him in 8 years what most will never make in a life time!
Go Rush..... | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 7:44:15 AM |
One of the advantages conservative commentators have is that liberals will also tune in, whereas conservatives tend not to listen to Air America or NPR. They already know what air america is going to say before they say it...People want the real news! They have no interest in hearing the bashing and berating that is one sided.
The drawback, though, is that the number of listeners does not accurately reflect the number of actual supporters It's not a draw back as many have called in to say they have switched over to the Rush show because of his ability to go after both sides when they fail to do their jobs as they were elected to do! Furthermore many have called in to say that even though they may not agree with everything he says, they at least know their getting the truth! and Thank him for being a Truth Machine...that exposes Media and Politicans who willfully try to decieve the public! | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 8:01:23 AM |
So clear channel enterprises, a company owned by bushies buddies, is giving rush a big deal to get a lot of attention. They're still investing in a losing deal. Over all the entertainment and broadcasting venues are taking a big hit financially.[/quote Completely false.....Conservative talk radio is flourishing and growing daily! It seems their audience has been shrinking steadily as more and more people are realizing how boring it is to hear the same crap day in and day out. This is true for liberal radio as they keep going out of business for lack of interest... how ever The Top 5 Talk Radio shows keep getting bigger and bigger, which by the way are Conservatives! Rush ended 2007 with a listner base of 18.1 million listeners! He now has a listener base of 20 plus million...seems to me using basic math his audience is growing not shrinking! Yea, rush has like 14-20 million listeners but clear channel has to buy that audience too and then sell advertisers on the idea. But now less and less advertisers will also mean less and less money to brian wash people into thinking there is some sort of talent in regurgitating neocon republican talking points. Wrong again....Plus it would take a "willful suspension of disbelief" to think a radio station can buy it's audience...that statement in and of it's self is absurd and makes no sense what so ever! I think it's just another part of the republican machine falling apart. your thinking doesn't take into account the numbers are growing not dropping! Your efforts to try and minumize The number One Talk Radio show have fallen very short of common sense...his ratings continue to climb his audience continues to grow and his pay check (new Contract) of 400 hundred million dollars reflects his success! Who else compares? No One! | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 8:14:02 AM |
Limbaugh vs. Reality
Bogus Economics
LIMBAUGH: On California contractor C.C. Myers completing repairs 74 days early on the earthquake-damaged Santa Monica Freeway: "There was one key element that made this happen. One key thing: The governor of California declared the [freeway] a disaster area and by so doing eliminated the need for competitive bids.... Government got the hell out of the way." (TV show, 4/13/94) "They gave this guy [Myers] the job without having to go through the rigmarole...of giving 25 percent of the job to a minority-owned business and 25 percent to a woman." (TV show, 4/15/94)
REALITY: There was competitive bidding: Myers beat four other contractors for the job. Affirmative action rules applied: At least 40 percent of the subcontracts went to minority or women-owned firms. Far from getting out of the way, dozens of state employees were on the job 24 hours a day. Furthermore, the federal government picked up the tab for the whole job (L.A. Times, 5/1/94).
LIMBAUGH: "Banks take the risks in issuing student loans and they are entitled to the profits." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)
REALITY: Banks take no risks in issuing student loans, which are federally insured.
LIMBAUGH: "Don't let the liberals deceive you into believing that a decade of sustained growth without inflation in America [in the '80s] resulted in a bigger gap between the haves and the have-nots. Figures compiled by the Congressional Budget Office dispel that myth." (Ought to Be, p. 70)
REALITY: CBO figures do nothing of the sort. Its numbers for after-tax incomes show that in 1980, the richest fifth of our country had eight times the income of the poorest fifth. By 1989, the ratio was more than 20 to one.
LIMBAUGH: Comparing the 1950s with the present: "And I might point out that poverty and economic disparities between the lower and upper classes were greater during the former period." (Told You So, p. 84)
REALITY: Income inequality, as measured by the U.S. Census Bureau, fell from the 1940s to the late 1960s, and then began rising. Inequality surpassed the 1950 level in 1982 and rose steadily to all-time highs in 1992. (Census Bureau's "Money Income of Households, Families and Persons in the United States")
LIMBAUGH: "Oh, how they relished blaming Reagan administration policies, including the mythical reductions in HUD's budget for public housing, for creating all of the homeless! Budget cuts? There were no budget cuts! The budget figures show that actual construction of public housing increased during the Reagan years." (Ought to Be, p. 242-243)
REALITY: In 1980, 20,900 low-income public housing units were under construction; in 1988, 9,700, a decline of 54 percent ;Statistical Abstracts of the U.S).In terms of 1993 dollars, the HUD budget for the construction of new public housing was slashed from $6.3 billion in 1980 to $683 million in 1988. "We're getting out of the housing business. Period," a Reagan HUD official declared in 1985.
LIMBAUGH: "The poorest people in America are better off than the mainstream families of Europe." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Spring/93)
REALITY: Huh? The average cash income of the poorest 20 percent of Americans is $5,226; the average cash income of four major European nations--Germany, France, United Kingdom and Italy--is $19,708.
LIMBAUGH: "There's no such thing as an implied contract." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Spring/93)
REALITY: Every first year law student knows there is.
LIMBAUGH: "Ladies and gentlemen, we now know why there is this institutional opposition to low tax rates in the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. It's because [low tax rates] are biblical in nature and in root. When you can trace the lowering of tax rates on grain from 90 percent to 20 percent giving seven fat years during the days of Pharaoh in Egypt, why then you are tracing the roots of lower taxes and rising prosperity to religion.... You can trace individual prosperity, economic growth back to the Bible, the Old Testament. Isn't it amazing?" (Radio show, 6/28/93)
REALITY: Amazingly wrong. Genesis 41 is about the wisdom of instituting taxes, not cutting them. After Pharaoh had a dream that prophesied seven fat years to be followed by seven lean years, Joseph advised him to "appoint officers over the land, and take up the fifth part of the land of Egypt in the seven plenteous years...and lay up corn under the hands of Pharaoh." In other words, a 20 percent tax on the grain harvest would put aside food for use during the famine. Pharaoh took Joseph's advice, and Egypt avoided hunger during the famine.
Weird Science
LIMBAUGH: "It has not been proven that nicotine is addictive, the same with cigarettes causing emphysema [and other diseases]." (Radio show, 4/29/94)
REALITY: Nicotine's addictiveness has been reported in medical literature since the turn of the century. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop's 1988 report on nicotine addiction left no doubts on the subject; "Today the scientific base linking smoking to a number of chronic diseases is overwhelming, with a total of 50,000 studies from dozens of countries," states Encyclopedia Britannica's 1987 "Medical and Health Annual."
LIMBAUGH: "We closed down a whole town--Times Beach, Mo.--over the threat of dioxin. We now know there was no reason to do that. Dioxin at those levels isn't harmful." (Ought to Be, p. 163)
REALITY: "The hypothesis that low exposures [to dioxin] are entirely safe for humans is distinctly less tenable now than before," editorialized the New England Journal of Medicine after publishing a study (1/24/91) on cancer mortality and dioxin. In 1993, after Limbaugh's book was written, a study of residents in Seveso, Italy had increased cancer rates after being exposed to dioxin, The EPA's director of environmental toxicology said this study removed one of the last remaining doubts about dioxin's deadly effects (AP, 8/29/93).
LIMBAUGH: "The worst of all of this is the lie that condoms really protect against AIDS. The condom failure rate can be as high as 20 percent. Would you get on a plane -- or put your children on a plane -- if one of five passengers would be killed on the flight? Well, the statistic holds for condoms, folks." (Ought to Be, p. 135)
REALITY: A one in five AIDS risk for condom users? Not true, according to Dr. Joseph Kelaghan, who evaluates contraceptives for the National Institutes of Health. "There is substantive evidence that condoms prevent transmission if used consistently and properly," he said. He pointed to a nearly two-year study of couples in which one partner was HIV-positive. Among the 123 couples who used condoms regularly, there wasn't a single new infection (AP, 8/29/93).
LIMBAUGH: "Most Canadian physicians who are themselves in need of surgery, for example, scurry across the border to get it done right: the American way. They have found, through experience, that state medical care is too expensive, too slow and inefficient, and, most important, it doesn't provide adequate care for most people." (Told You So, p. 153)
REALITY: "Mr. Limbaugh's claim simply isn't true," says Dr. Hugh Scully, chair of the Canadian Medical Association's Council on Healing and Finance. "The vast majority of Canadians, including physicians, receive their care here in Canada. Those few Canadians who receive health care in the U.S. most often do because they have winter homes in the States--like Arizona and Florida--and have emergent health problems there." Medical care in Canada is hardly "too expensive"; it's provided free and covered by taxes.
LIMBAUGH: "If you have any doubts about the status of American health care, just compare it with that in other industrialized nations." (Told You So, p. 153)
REALITY: The United States ranks 19th in life expectancy and 20th in infant mortality among 23 industrialized nations, according to the CIA's 1993 World Fact Book. The U.S. also has the lowest health care satisfaction rate (11 percent) of the 10 largest industrialized nations (Health Affairs, vol. 9, no. 2).
LIMBAUGH: Denouncing Jeremy Rifkin of the Beyond Beef campaign as an "ecopest": "Rifkin is bent out of shape because he says the cattle consume enough grain to feed hundreds of millions of people. The reason the cattle are eating the grain is so they can be fattened and slaughtered, after which they will feed people, who need a high protein diet." (Ought To Be, p. 110)
REALITY: Sixteen pounds of grain and soy is required to produce one pound of edible food from beef (USDA Economic Research Service). As for needing a "high-protein diet," the World Health Organization and U.S. Department of Agriculture recommend that from 4.5 percent to 6 percent of daily calories come from protein. The amount of calories from protein in rice is 8 percent; in wheat it's 17 percent (USDA Handbook No. 456).
LIMBAUGH: "Do you know we have more acreage of forest land in the United States today than we did at the time the constitution was written." (Radio show, 2/18/94)
REALITY: In what are now the 50 U.S. states, there were 850 million acres of forest land in the late 1700s vs. only 730 million today (The Bum's Rush, p. 136). Limbaugh's claim also ignores the fact that much of today's forests are single-species tree farms, as opposed to natural old-growth forests which support diverse ecosystems.
Brotherhood...and Sisterhood
LIMBAUGH: "The videotape of the Rodney King beating played absolutely no role in the conviction of two of the four officers. It was pure emotion that was responsible for the guilty verdict." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)
REALITY: "Jury Foreman Says Video Was Crucial in Convictions", read an accurate Los Angeles Times headline the day after the federal court verdict (4/20/93).
LIMBAUGH: "Anytime the illegitimacy rate in black America is raised, Rev. Jackson and other black 'leaders' immediately change the subject." (Ought to Be, p. 225)
REALITY: Jesse Jackson has been talking about and against "children having children" in speeches and interviews for decades. So have many other black leaders, especially in the clergy.
LIMBAUGH: Praising Strom Thurmond for calling a gay soldier "not normal": "He's not encumbered by being politically correct.... If you want to know what America used to be--and a lot of people wish it still were--then you listen to Strom Thurmond." (TV show, 9/1/93)
REALITY: In the America that "used to be," Strom Thurmond was one of the country's strongest voices for racism, running for president in 1948 on the slogan, "Segregation Forever."
LIMBAUGH: "There are more American Indians alive today than there were when Columbus arrived or at any other time in history. Does this sound like a record of genocide?" (Told You So, p. 68)
REALITY: According to Carl Shaw of the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs, estimates of the pre-Columbus population of what later became the United States range from 5 million to 15 million. Native populations in the late 19th century fell to 250,000, due in part to genocidal policies. Today the U.S.'s Native American population is about 2 million.
LIMBAUGH: "Women were doing quite well in this country before feminism came along." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)
REALITY: Before feminism, women couldn't even vote.
LIMBAUGH: "Anita Hill followed Clarence Thomas everywhere. Wherever he went, she wanted to be right by his side, she wanted to work with him, she wanted to continue to date him.... There were no other accusers who came forth after Anita Hill did and said, 'Yeah, Clarence Thomas, he harassed me, too.' There was none of that." (TV show, 5/4/94)
REALITY: Hill could not have continued to date Thomas, since they never dated. Two other women, Sukari Hardnett and Angela Wright, came forth in the Thomas case with similar charges.
LIMBAUGH: "Now I got something for you that's true--1972, Tufts University, Boston. This is 24 years ago--or 22 years ago. Three year study of 5000 co-eds, and they used a benchmark of a bra size of 34C. They found that the--now wait. It's true. The larger the bra-size, the smaller the IQ." (TV show, 5/13/94)
REALITY: Dr. Burton Hallowell, president of Tufts in the '60s and '70s, had "absolutely no recollection" of such a study, according to Tufts' communications office. "I surely would have remembered that!" he exclaimed. Limbaugh's staff was unable to produce any such study. A search of the Nexis database--while revealing no evidence of a Tufts study--did produce a number of women theorizing that the presence of large breasts caused a lowering of IQ in some males.
The Clinton Obsession
LIMBAUGH: On Whitewater: "I don't think the New York Times has run a story on this yet. I mean, we haven't done a thorough search, but I--there has not been a big one, front-page story, about this one that we can recall. So this has yet to create or get up to its full speed--if it weren't for us and the Wall Street Journal and the American Spectator, this would be one of the biggest and most well kept secrets going on in American politics today." (TV show, 2/17/94)
REALITY: The New York Times broke the Whitewater story on March 8, 1992, in a front-page story by Jeff Gerth that included much of the key information known today. The investigative article ran over 1700 words.
LIMBAUGH: "You know the Clintons send Chelsea to the Sidwell Friends private school.... A recent eighth grade class assignment required students to write a paper on 'Why I Feel Guilty Being White". '... My source for this story is CBS News. I am not making it up." (Radio show, quoted in the Chicago Sun-Times, 1/16/94.)
REALITY: When Richard Roeper of the Chicago Sun-Times called CBS, the network denied running such a story. Ellis Turner, the director of external affairs for Sidwell Friends, told Roeper: "There is no legitimacy to the story that has been circulating.... We're anxious to let people know that this story is not true." The essay topic would be particularly difficult for the 28 percent of the school's student body that is not white.
LIMBAUGH: "You better pay attention to the 1993 budget deal because there is an increase in beer and alcohol taxes." (Radio show, 7/9/93)
REALITY: There were no increases in beer and alcohol taxes in the 1993 budget.
LIMBAUGH: The lead item on a page of "Stupid Quotes" in the May '94 Limbaugh Letter--subtitled, "Folks, I don't make this stuff up"--was a quote attributed to Eleanor Clift on the McLaughlin Group: "Hillary and Bill Clinton cheating on their taxes was a protest against the Reagan era tax breaks for the wealthy.... They knew... the IRS would catch up to them and tack penalties.... If more people had been as far-sighted and altruistic as the Clintons, we could retroactively erase the deficit." Limbaugh commented, "It's only May, folks, and we've got our Stupid Quote of the year."
REALITY: Rush Limbaugh, April Fool. The item came from the April Fools Day issue of a right-wing newsletter Notable Quotables. Each item in the newsletter was dated April 1 and the issue signed off with the words "April Fools." (The Limbaugh Letter later printed a correction on this and another April Fools quote used as fact.)
Fractured History
LIMBAUGH: Quotes President James Madison: "We have staked the future...upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." (Told You So, p. 73)
REALITY: "We didn't find anything in our files remotely like the sentiment expressed in the extract you sent to us," David B. Mattern, the associate editor of The Madison Papers, told the Kansas City Star (1/16/94). "In addition, the idea is entirely inconsistent with everything we know about Madison's views on religion and government."
LIMBAUGH: "And it was only 4,000 votes that--had they gone another way in Chicago--Richard Nixon would have been elected in 1960." (TV show, 4/28/94)
REALITY: Kennedy won the 1960 election with 303 electoral votes to 219 for Nixon. Without Illinois' 27 electoral votes, Kennedy would still have won, 276-246.
LIMBAUGH: On how to stop riots: "Richard Daley, in 1968, in the Democratic National Convention, issued an order--where there were rumors of riots--he issued a shoot-to-kill order. And there were no riots and there was no civil disobedience and no shots were fired and nobody was hurt. And that's what ought to happen." (TV show, 6/10/93)
REALITY: Mayor Daley's shoot-to-kill order was issued not at the Democratic Convention, but following the April 4, 1968 Martin Luther King assassination. Daley wasn't reacting to "rumors of riots" since riots had already broken out. The shoot-to-kill order hardly put an end to unrest--since four months after Daley's order, protestors flocked to Chicago's Democratic Convention and engaged in riotous civil disobedience. Protesters chanted, "The whole world is watching." Except for Rush Limbaugh.
LIMBAUGH: In an attack on Spike Lee, director of Malcolm X, for being fast and loose with the facts, Limbaugh introduced a video clip of Malcolm X's "daughter named Betty Shabazz." (TV show, 11/17/92)
REALITY: Betty Shabazz is Malcolm X's widow.
LIMBAUGH: "Those gas lines were a direct result of the foreign oil powers playing tough with us because they didn't fear Jimmy Carter." (Told You So, p. 112)
REALITY: The first--and most serious--gas lines occurred in late 1973/early 1974, during the administration of Limbaugh hero Richard Nixon.
LIMBAUGH: On Iran-Contra special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh: "This Walsh story basically is, we just spent seven years and $40 million looking for any criminal activity on the part of anybody in the Reagan administration, and guess what? We couldn't find any. These guys didn't do anything, but we wish they had so that we could nail them. So instead,we're just going to say, 'Gosh, these are rotten guys.' They have absolutely no evidence. There is not one indictment. There is not one charge." (TV show, 1/19/94)
REALITY: Walsh won indictments against 14 people in connection with the Iran-Contra scandal including leading Reagan administration officials like former Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger and former national security advisers Robert McFarlane and John Poindexter. Of the 14, 11 were convicted or pleaded guilty. (Two convictions were later overturned on technicalities--including that of occasional Limbaugh substitute Oliver North.)
LIMBAUGH: Explaining why the Democrats wanted to "sabotage" President Bush with the 1990 budget deal: "Now, here is my point. In 1990, George Bush was president and was enjoying a 90 percent plus approval rating on the strength of our victories in the Persian Gulf War and Cold War." (ToldYou So, p. 304)
REALITY: In October 1990, when the budget deal was concluded the Gulf War had not yet been fought.
LIMBAUGH: On the Gulf War: "Everybody in the world was aligned with the United States except who? The United States Congress." (TV show, 4/18/94)
REALITY: Both houses of Congress voted to authorize the U.S. to use force against Iraq.
LIMBAUGH: On Bosnia:
"For the first time in military history, U.S. military personnel are not under the command of United States generals." (TV show, 4/18/94)
REALITY: That's news to the Pentagon. "How far back do you want to go?" asked Commander Joe Gradisher, a Pentagon spokesperson. "Americans served under Lafayette in the Revolutionary war." Gradisher pointed out several famous foreign commanders of U.S. troops, including France's Marshall Foch, in overall command of U.S. troops in World War I. In World War II, Britain's General Montgomery led U.S. troops in Europe and North Africa, while another British General, Lord Mountbatten, commanded the China-Burma-India theatre.
Personal Attacks
LIMBAUGH: Limbaugh constantly tells his audience that he doesn't make personal or ad hominem attacks. To a caller who had a problem with his personalized attacks, Limbaugh responded with a denial: "Give me a specific example: who, what, when, where, and what exactly did I say?" (Radio show, 2/18/94)
REALITY: One hour before that call, Limbaugh was telling his audience that a 5,000-year-old man found buried in ice--pictured on the cover of Time magazine--was really Sally Jesse Raphael: "This is just what Sally Jesse Raphael looks like without makeup!"
MORE REALITY: Columnist Molly Ivins reported (Arizona Republic 10/17/93) this incident from Limbaugh's TV show--"Here is a Limbaugh joke: Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat. Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is a White House dog?" And he puts up a picture of Chelsea Clinton. Chelsea Clinton is 13 years old.
LIMBAUGH: Assailing a journalist who had criticized Nixon: "Michael Gartner, portraying himself as a balanced, objective journalist with years and years of experience faking events, and then reporting them as news--and doing so with the express hope of destroying General Motors in one case and destroying businesses that cut down trees, the timber industry, in another." (TV show, 4/27/94)
REALITY: Gartner, the NBC News president who resigned in the wake of the GM truck explosion episode on NBC's Dateline, had no hands-on role in it--nor had he expressed a hope of destroying any company.
LIMBAUGH: Equally accurate when denouncing a fellow conservative, he said of right-wing journalist Cliff Kincaid: "He's written all kinds of pieces about how I don't go make speeches for free, for the cause.... He's just one more of these little gnats out there trying to sink a Boeing 747 that's leaving him in a cloud of dust." (Radio show, 11/19/93)
REALITY: Kincaid's only published piece on whether Limbaugh does speeches "for the cause" was in Human Events (7/27/91): "He does his bit for conservatives when the movement calls. He waived his fees, for instance, when he emceed at roasts for Oliver North and Paul Weyrich and addressed the National Right to Life convention."
Limbaugh vs. Limbaugh
LIMBAUGH: Limbaugh frequently denies that he uses his show for political activism: "I have yet to encourage you people or urge you to call anybody. I don't do it. They think I'm the one doing it. That's fine. You don't need to be told when to call. They think you are a bunch of lemmings out there." (Radio show, 6/28/93)
REALITY: Just an hour after making the above claim, he was--as usual--sending his troops to the trenches: "The people in the states where these Democratic senators are up for reelection in '94 have to let their feelings be known.... These senators, you let them know. I think Wisconsin's one state. Let's say Herb Kohl is up in '94. You people in Wisconsin who don't like this bill, who don't like the tax increases, you let Herb Kohl know somehow."
LIMBAUGH: On the poverty line: "$14,400 for a family of four. That's not so bad." (Radio show, 11/9/93, quoted in FRQ, Winter/94)
REALITY: Just a few months earlier, Limbaugh was talking about how tough it was to make 10 times that: "I know families that make $180,000 a year and they don't consider themselves rich. Why, it costs them $20,000 a year to send their kids to school." (Radio show, 8/3/93, quoted in FRQ, Winter/94)
LIMBAUGH: On Bill Clinton: "Never trust a draft dodger." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)
REALITY: Although a supporter of the Vietnam War, Limbaugh used a minor physical impairment to avoid the draft (Minneapolis Star Tribune, 9/27/93).
LIMBAUGH: In frequent broadcasts, Limbaugh offers impassioned advocacy for Paula Jones, who charged Bill Clinton with sexual harassment. (TV and radio, April-May/94)
REALITY: Limbaugh boasted that a sign on his office door reads, "Sexual harassment at this work station will not be reported. However...it will be graded!!!" (USA Weekend, 1/26/92).
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Sidebar: Rush Limbaugh: Champion of the Overdog
Who says Rush Limbaugh is abusive to minorities? He champions various minority interests: multi-millionaires, bankers, owners of private planes and yachts, drug companies. It's only those other "minorities"--women, workers, the poor, racial minorities, gays--that he has no use for. Here's a sampling:
"One of the things I want to do before I die is conduct the Homeless Olympics... [Events would include] the 10-meter Shopping Cart Relay, the Dumpster Dig, and the Hop, Skip and Trip." (L.A. Times, 1/20/91)
On NAFTA: "If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people--I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs, let the kinds of jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do--let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work." (Radio show quoted in FRQ, Fall/93)
Speculating on why a Mexican national won the New York marathon: "An immigration agent chased him for the last 10 miles." (USA Weekend, 1/26/92)
This is asinine! A Caesar Chavez Day in California? Wasn't he convicted of a crime?" (Quotedin FRQ, Winter/94)
"Kurt Cobain was, ladies and gentleman, I just--he was a worthless shred of human debris..." (TV show, 4/11/94)
"When a gay person turns his back on you, it is anything but an insult ; it's an invitation." (Quoted in FRQ, Summer/94)
"Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream." (Quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)
"Militant feminists are pro-choice because it's their ultimate avenue of power over men.... It is their attempt to impose their will on the rest of society, particularly on men." (Ought to Be, p.53)
"Why is it that whenever a corporation fires workers it is never speculated that the workers might have deserved it?" (Ought to Be, p.275)
Yeah, the guy is a real winner! | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 8:14:15 AM |
Rush has over 20 million friends, his audience is more. He's warm to even the many hacks that call in. The post about NPR is incorrect. The audience for the Left's government supported radio network, NPR, has more conservatives listeners than liberal listeners. According the a Pew Research Center study released, conservatives consume far more news than liberals. Including listening to NPR and watching PBS more than liberals. This explains the reason conservatives don't thrive on ignorance, they are well informed and a research center confirmed it.
Wow!.......Thanxx for the information, I have done my own research and have listened to Liberal Talk radio and have found them to be very slanted and never bring up the blunders of the New Congress nor their ineptness since taking over the house, They only attack the Republicans and blame them for everything without taking any responsibility for the lefts part! When Congress hit an all time historic low with an approval rating of 11% Liberal talk radio blamed it on the Republicans yet Pelosi her self along with Reid said if given the majority and put in charge they would pull us out of Iraq "not one more drop of American blood will be splilled" and change things in Washington...they have since failed at the Iraq promise and we see their efforts at the pump and food stores..prices keep going up and up! | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 8:25:45 AM |
.... what i really don't get.... and what i sit up and take notice of... is this.....
Savage said he sees women who wear burqas as "hateful Nazi[s]" who want to "kill your children"
On the July 2 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, discussing the recent terror-related arrests in Britain, radio host Michael Savage said, "[W]hen I see a woman walking around with a burqa, I see a Nazi," adding, "That's what I see -- how do you like that? -- a hateful Nazi who would like to cut your throat and kill your children." Savage also said that when a Muslim woman wears a burqa, "She's doing it to spit in your face. She's saying, 'You white moron, you, I'm going to kill you if I can.' "
... i mean...really???
Mr.Savage ........ has a right to his opinion, and if guessing I would say it is backed up by the number of women in burqa's who have said on camera that they hate America and Israel and will have babies so they can blow up Americans, not to mention the one's who have been murder bombers!
With that said....were falling away from the original post/topic it's not about Michael Savage or Muslims nor is it about the war with Radical Islam..Please stay focused on the topic! Trolling is unacceptable....Our Monerator has already expressed this.. In the spirit of following his direction let's keep it on topic and not try to flame bait or turn this into a hate post. Thank you for your understanding! | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 8:34:26 AM | Randi Rhodes was suspended from Air America for her calling Hillary Clinton a "whore." On most of the Progressive shows, a Conservative caller gets placed to the FRONT of the line and is given time to state their position. Unlike Rush, who carefully screens his calls. Liberals are NEVER afraid to debate.
BTW, she resigned and went to work for Nova M, and her ratings are fine.
Stephanie Miller has a highly rated show in the morning, Thom Hartman is the most eloquent and intelligent radio personality in the country then Randi. If you can't find them locally yet, you can get a webcast at 1480 KPHX. A websearch should bring up the station, so you can listen to intelligent radio. | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 9:24:04 AM | Post #157 - Limbaugh vs. Reality
Excellent post. Of course the Limbaugh fans will simply dismiss it - just pretend the post isn't even there.
I was curious so I Googled "Limbaugh Truths" and got 6 hits. Then I Googled "Limbaugh Lies" and got 2130 hits. It did seem far, though, so I then Googled "Limbaugh tells the truth." That pushed his number up a little, to 119. | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 10:10:35 AM |
Randi Rhodes was suspended from Air America for her calling Hillary Clinton a "whore." On most of the Progressive shows, a Conservative caller gets placed to the FRONT of the line and is given time to state their position. Unlike Rush, who carefully screens his calls. Liberals are NEVER afraid to debate.
People who understand radio understand...all callers are screened to make sure their on Topic and not just calling in to spew hate! It's live radio and important that people understand common respect and language is not profanity!
no different then here postings are screened by Monerators to insure people stay on topic and not just spew hateful remarks! in hope that we can discuss politics without abusing posters with different opinions to encourage mindful behavior make your point but don't attack!  | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 10:17:35 AM | You missed the point, , , AGAIN.
On progressive talk shows, Conservatives get to the front of the line. They are given an opportunity to speak and then their issues are deated ro debunked. On Rush, no one gets through that has two brain cells to rub together. He walked off of Donahue one because he was so flustered at his inability to debate an articulate person.
Rush is an idiot. But hey, this is the generation for idiots to rise, hell, even Gump made it to the white house, so why can't an idiot earn 400,000,000 for sreading disinformation and lies? To each his own. | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 10:37:40 AM | ]quote] You missed the point, , , AGAIN. No once again I didn't miss the point if you actually listen to talk radio especially Conservative talk radio...you would understand it's just the opposite! Liberal/democrats are pushed to the top all the time...because Conservative talk show host enjoy the talking points and debating the issues, the hang ups happen when those opposed to Conservative thinking begin calling names and refuse to answer the questios, along with trying to be spin doctors...
On Rush, no one gets through that has two brain cells to rub together. This maybe true because those who do call in really have no point .... and never stick to the topic at hand...kind of like we see right here! I have to keep reminding some to stay on topic! their emotions cloud their ability to debate.... | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 11:01:12 AM |
The Democrats and Liberals have as you say for many years tried to figure out how to command a listening base that is as loyal as Rush's listener base, one that flourishes without draining their pocket books.
There's problems on several fronts for the democrats.
The biggest problem is that the radio stations are mainly owned by republicans. Big business republicians. Since bushie weakened the rules of who gets to own media companies, the republican conglomerate 'Clear Channel', bush buddies, have been buying the stations and disseminating bush propaganda while trying to quell any disention (remember the Dixie Chicks?).
The Clear channel conglomerate has also has a major piece of the live show venues as well and get to say who plays there. When the Dixie Chicks said they thought bushie was lying about WMD to start a war, bushie's buddies black balled them from their radio stations and performance venues.
Another problem is that the democrats tried to use a format that was geared to people that think and are somewhat up to date on current events to maintain and interest in their programs while the republican so called 'conservative spinners' are guaranteed to be ranting at something in short order.
With the ranting format, one can get the attention rather quickly, deliver one piece of so called 'news' and then toss in the republican rant for 80 % of the segment. In the end, the audience only needed to be primed with 10 seconds worth of news to enjoy 10 or 20 minutes of entertaining ranting.
Mean while, democrats seem to read more and understand what democracy means, you know, everybody getting a say vs. republicans who fall in line with what the republic wants. The internet is really the new media, while democrats may listen to rush on the way to lunch in his car, they can get online and google the real information to chuckle how silly rush's distortions are and know what to expect to hear from their ditto head acquaintances. | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 12:11:04 PM | Interesting.....
There's problems on several fronts for the democrats.
The biggest problem is that the radio stations are mainly owned by republicans. Big business republicians. Since bushie weakened the rules of who gets to own media companies, the republican conglomerate 'Clear Channel', bush buddies, have been buying the stations and disseminating bush propaganda
Well let's use this same logic for T.V. it's widely known Fox news is Conservative (which by the way holds it's own just fine in the ratings!) and is considered a lone wolf!
We don't hear about MSNBC CNN and the rest of them as being Conservative? it's widely accepted they lean left. Conservatives are not asking for more air time on Left leaning T.V. so why should the left be given equal time on Conservative Radio...?
Conservative Radio dominates the market because that's what it's listener base likes! That's Domocracy at it's finest!
We only hear about the left screaming not fair! Because the Conservative talk show host have made talk radio what it is today the left feel that market needs to share air time...that will destroy talk radio ...it's obvious that Liberal radio suffers greatly on the air waves since the top 5 radio stations are Conservative and the Conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh owns the air waves by his ratings! Thats the voice of the people not the Government...
I feel badly that left wing radio is struggling to survive and is loosing money, (thier responsible for their own demise) and many of the big shows they hope to catch on fall on their face! but that is not Conservative radio's problem, that a liberal listener base problem their own audience doesn't want to hear them! you see how that works?
The liberal talk radio people should be very careful what they ask for? if they force talk radio to share equal time...the next bill will be for T.V to share equal timewith Conservatives! Keep in mind Fox is already sitting at the top of T.V.news...oops! | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 12:13:08 PM | Limbaugh, O'Reiley, Hannity, and the rest are essentially...... cheerleaders. They are given the microphone to spout the opinions their corporate owners want them to spout. And if you listen closely, it's amazing how easily that opinion will change depending upon market and political conditions.
Is there a dimes worth of difference between the opinions of any of the right wing pundits who wall paper the AM band ? Modern conservatism isn't a political theory, it's a franchise. Just like McDonalds, they can paint the outside of the building a different color, but they all serve the same hamburger. | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 12:27:29 PM | I see no difference between the Right wing pundits than the Left wing. None.
The difference here is that Middle America is not as involved with the internet. Meaning there are many more Conservatives listening to radio, etc. than Liberals. Nothing wrong with that. It's their choice of acquiring the 'News'.
Radio doesn't run these misleading 'videos'.
See... thing is... we here on this Forum think we are truly the real representative of what is the 'average' out there. It can't be. For one thing. This site, as many have brought up, is based in Canada. We, who come to these forums, are a tiny tiny tiny fraction of what is really going on out there. We think we are so 'educated' to what Reality is. We aren't. Not by a long shot.
When one sees the growth and numbers of such venues as Talk Radio and certain Hosts of these shows... we need to look at the demographics of said growth. What I glean from it is that Middle America is growing by leaps and bounds and a small group... of the Left... are not willing to admit it. Which is fine. No problem. Just know that Reality is Middle America will swing the vote in Nov. Middle America uses radios more than other populations. | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 12:33:32 PM |
Limbaugh, O'Reiley, Hannity, and the rest are essentially...... cheerleaders. They are given the microphone to spout the opinions their corporate owners want them to spout. And if you listen closely, it's amazing how easily that opinion will change depending upon market and political conditions. I am an avid listener daily....you sir must not be! because your statement makes absolutely no sense! Your asking us to believe that corporate owners hand them a microphone and say go defend our .........what? If you truly actually listen to Rush and hannity you would clearly see not only do they speak their own mind but they continue to go after either party that defies common sense and those who berate this country! On your liberal stations it's not uncommon to hear the hosts and callers tearing down this nation...you may call it being a patriot....but on Rush and Hannity programs they build up this country and consitently remind us how lucky we are to live here! And that sir....is my idea of a true Patriot...and obviously the idea about 20 plus million other people like hearing! Build up our country and stop berating it! It's just the difference of mind set some are happier complianing and blaming, while others prefer to build up this great Nation! After all Americans aren't trying to cross borders to illegally enter other countries to live, but our borders have this problem of many wanting to live here | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 12:39:45 PM | Nicotine is not addictive in comparison with cocaine and heroin. There's more than that one liner pasted. The same goes with all the other facts that Rush Limbaugh and others have been saying before Rush Limbaugh.
Everything Rush says about the Reverend Jesse Jackson is true too not lies. It's not news, it's opinions formed from the Reverend Jesse Jackson's behavior and hypocrisy. An opinion that is also shared by most people including blacks. The problem here is that there are some that cannot differentiate opinion journalism from reality journalism.
There are many issues where lies are lies. Here's one example. In the nineties the President at the time lied to the country, lied to his staff, lied to his wife, lied to his party, lied in private, lied in public, and lied under oath. The Senate Democrats voted to keep him in office anyway. This person was not Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh's a talk radio host not President of the United States nor chairman of the Democratic party.
He could lie but he doesn't. Instead he talks about the news, he shares the news, he jokes about certain news, he discusses with callers topics of the news and he also shares his opinion journalism along with reality journalism. Some of you people are old enough to know the difference.
Now, during the lies, and not opinions that came out of the mouth of Clinton, Barney Frank called Clinton's impeachment an extraordinary triumph of ideology. If it's the Republicans (since Rush Limbaugh is a Republican) who elevate ideology over reality, how come it's always the Democrats who are being floored by reality?
For the past 10 years, Frank can be found wandering around wailing about a real betrayal by Bill Clinton of all who had been strongly supportive of him. Barney Frank has admitted of enjoying the Rush Limbaugh Show. Conservative Talk Radio rules. | |
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| Talk Radio the new media outlet Posted: 7/5/2008 2:50:24 PM |
I see no difference between the Right wing pundits than the Left wing. None.
The left usually doesn't advocate murder and terrorist attacks on their own population. | |
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