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Posted: 7/6/2008 8:49:06 AM | | What I meant was that a 400,000,000 contract means that they have to have over 50,000 in advertising income for every single hour of his show, ever day every week of every year JUST to break even on HIS contract, not counting any other production costs such as sales, studio, legal defense, , , etc. However, I'm sure he saves a fortune on fact checking and research, but it is what is known is economics as a "Loss Leader." | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 9:23:51 AM |
What I meant was that a 400,000,000 contract means that they have to have over 50,000 in advertising income for every single hour of his show, ever day every week of every year JUST to break even on HIS contract, not counting any other production costs such as sales, studio, legal defense, , , etc. However, I'm sure he saves a fortune on fact checking and research, but it is what is known is economics as a "Loss Leader."
If you truly understood marketing and advertising you would understand that reaching a market base of 20 to 24 million people daily 50,000 is nothing, radio does commercials about every 5 to 8 minutes even more often on some stations. Do the math this is not complicated..lol You may want to take a course in marketing and advertisement so you better understand how it works, I don't want to waste my time here teaching basic economics.... Do you have any idea how much corporations are willing to pay to reach this large of a market? Think about it? | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 9:38:38 AM | What I meant was that a 400,000,000 contract means that they have to have over 50,000 in advertising income for every single hour of his show, ever day every week of every year JUST to break even on HIS contract, not counting any other production costs such as sales, studio, legal defense, , , etc. However, I'm sure he saves a fortune on fact checking and research, but it is what is known is economics as a "Loss Leader."
LOSS LEADER ! That is the dumbest freakin thing I have read here to date? Do you think CLear is losing money on Rush? LMAO! Why can't you get your head around the numbers and realize that Clear is making a fortune on him and does not need a FOOKIN LOSS LEADER! Why on earth would they need a loss leader?
WOW! Too wild!
Contrast that to Air AntiAmerica - they were 100% subsidized and still landed in bankruptcy with several imprisoned leaders.
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Posted: 7/6/2008 9:38:56 AM | Yeah, it isn't a gamble at all, however;
The deal amounts to a major bet by Clear Channel Communications and its syndication subsidiary, Premiere Radio Networks, that Mr. Limbaugh’s brand of conservative talk will prosper well into the next decade. The company announced the contract renewal on Wednesday, though the financial details were supplied by Mr. Limbaugh in an interview with The New York Times Magazine for an article that was posted online at www.nytimes.com on Wednesday and will appear in print on Sunday.
Mr. Limbaugh’s windfall comes at an acutely tough time for the radio industry, which has been troubled by technologies like iPods and a sluggish advertising climate. The total time spent listening to radio has fallen 16 percent in the last decade, according to data compiled by Arbitron, the measurement firm.
Advertisers have taken note: Nielsen Monitor-Plus, an advertising information service, measured a 3.6 percent decline in national radio spending last year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/business/media/03radio.html?ex=1372824000&en=ffd18a1072b5be24&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
They will lose money on the deal. It is called a loss leader. Poco, I understand econnomics quite well. As you know, it is ONE of my degrees. Your constant attacks on my character are annoying. I was requested to NOT bite when attacked. I can only assume you were asked to be respectful as well. I have not attacked your lack of education, why do you constantly insist on attcking my advanced education? | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 10:04:19 AM | Perhaps some people remember this from last year....
This is from the Think Progressive web site, June 15, 2007.
Last week, right-wing radio host Michael Savage was presented a Freedom of Speech award at Talkers Magazine’s annual New Media Seminar. C-SPAN, which aired portions of the two-day event, chose to not air Savage’s acceptance speech because the conservative talker only appeared in a pre-recorded DVD speech.
Savage is now claiming he is a victim of censorship. Repeatedly attacking C-SPAN this week as “fascists” and modern versions of the “brownshirt movement in Hitler’s Germany,” Savage encouraged his listeners to call and email CSPAN about their supposed “blacklisting” of his speech.
On Washington Journal this morning, host and C-SPAN CEO Brian Lamb read aloud some of the emails he has received from alleged listeners of Savage’s show. The emails defending Savage are filled with personal attacks, referring to Lamb as an “ass loser Communist,” “pervert,” “bed-wetting commie,” and worse.
Michael Savage is obviously not responsible for the content of these emails. But it’s worth noting that such attacks are standard fare for Savage’s radio show. According to Savage, MoveOn.org members are “rat-**stard Communists,” supporters of the Fairness Doctrine are “Nazis” and “no different than the Bolsheviks in 1917,” and Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) says things that “Goebbels would be proud of.”
As Lamb notes in his introduction to the emails, Savage is also using the faux controversy to make money by charging his fans $20 apiece to buy a copy of the supposedly censored speech.
I watched that morning as Brian Lamb continually had to remind the viewers that C-Spann receives NO public monies. The fact of which seemed to be missed by Michael Savage ( not to be confused with Dan Savage ), who encouraged his listeners to write their Congressmen and stop C-Spann's funding.
Funding which C-Spann doesn't receive.
Apparently, the whole idea of a privately funded journalism organization being truly fair and balanced was beyond the conception of the self proclaimed " intellectual giant ".
Savage seemed incensed by the idea that C-Spann wouldn't show up to cover a pre-recorded acceptance speech which Savage himself couldn't be bothered to show up for either.
As a matter of fact, I do listen to the right wing pundits ( as they are easier to find than the liberal ones ), at least as far as I can stomach the lies and insults.
The only thing Paddy Chayevsky missed in the screen play of " Network " was the arrogance and self-aggrandizement.
You put a two-bit jerk behind a microphone and give him his own radio show, and he thinks he's some sort of big shot. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 10:04:19 AM | Hank said:
There are always fools who will stand socking wet in the pouring rain and insist it's a sunny day because someone they worship told them it was. Nothing you can do about people like that except feel sorry for them.
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just another example that amplifies why your feeling left out! The Monerator has asked us to be nice and not resort to petty name calling...
Not calling at all. This is my honest opinion. There are some people who are so easily swayed by the opinions of Rush, they will not give consideration to an opposing opinion and blindly accept as truth, whatever Rush tells them. When it is shown Rush is wrong, they simply ignore the evidence because Rush tells them he is right. This, in my opinion, makes them fools.
We don't ignore facts
Then why not comment on the post a few pages back with the very very long list of Rush Lies? Show us that the post is wrong by refuting the evidence. You simply pretended it wasn't there. The true point of this thread is revealed with every post you make: a love fest for Rush, not a discussion on the merits of his radio program and whether those millions are deserved. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 10:22:40 AM | They will lose money on the deal. It is called a loss leader. I'm quite certain Clear knows what their doing better then your little link that had nothing to do with the deal... chances are they may not even know how much 400 million dollars really is?
I understand econnomics quite well. As you know, it is ONE of my degrees. Well since your struggling so much with how much Rush will make and how they are going to pay for it? you seem quite unaware of Economics and how it really works with relation to Advertisers budgets and how much they are willing to pay to reach his 20 to 24 million listners.. And no I have no idea what degree or degree's you may or may not have and if I maybe frank or in this case Poco with you I really could careless The topic at hand is not how many degree;s you have or have not! laugh: The post is about Rush Limbaugh and his Contract deal and the New Media outlet...it's not a post about how educated exo is or isn't your making that the issue! Stay on Topic Buddy...
Your constant attacks on my character are annoying. I was requested to NOT bite when attacked. I can only assume you were asked to be respectful as well. I have not attacked your lack of education, Your creating your own demons here no is critizing your character, your just simply not well informed when it comes to economics, as you continue to struggle with how they can afford his 400 hundred million dollar contract? I understand it quite well 
why do you constantly insist on attcking my advanced education?
I have not attacked your education...oops! I mean advanced education...lol but nice try! oh by the way Attacking is spelled this way not this way
attcking and one more slight correction if I may....is economics is spelled this way not this way
econnomics
just trying to help a brother out....enjoy the rest of your weekend
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Posted: 7/6/2008 10:30:44 AM | Do you remember what Ross Perot said at the Presidential Debate in 1996?
When asked a question that used an economist as a straw man - he replied ---
(insert Texas twang)
I never did meet an economist with any money!
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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:04:12 PM | Rush Limbaugh and many others have exposed the New York Times and other papers of treason. New York Times was always there during most wars and careful about becoming treasonous but not nowadays.
If it wasn't for talk radio, many of these papers would have gotten away with many improprieties.
Ann Coulter's article stems from the New York Times revelations of secret methods use to track down Muslim terrorists. But now we've lost that ability thanks to the New York Times.
All one needs to do is read the whole article and it's all true. Even the Times agree with Ann Coulter's remarks: www.anncoulter.com. It's great to read and hear real strong women and perhaps one of the reason talk radio is popular.
Read all of this article and many others if you dare and have the courage. If not, all well.
Except from the title "New York Times: Better Dead Than Read" by Ann Coulter 07/12/2006:
When I told a New York Observer reporter that my only regret was that Timothy McVeigh didn't hit the New York Times building, I knew many would agree with me -- but I didn't expect that to include the New York Times. And yet, the Times is doing everything in its power to help the terrorists launch another attack on New York City.
Last year, the Times revealed a top secret program tracking phone calls connected to numbers found in Khalid Shaikh Mohammed's cell phone. How much more probable cause do you need, folks? Shall we do this as a diagram? How about in the form of an SAT question -- or is that a touchy subject for the publisher of the Times? "9/11 architect Khalid Shaikh Mohammed is to terrorist attacks as ..."?
And most recently, ignoring the pleas of the administration, 9/11 commissioners and even certifiable liberal Rep. Jack Murtha, the Times revealed another top secret program that had allowed the Treasury Department to track terrorists' financial transactions. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 1:30:44 PM |
Rush Limbaugh and many others have exposed the New York Times and other papers of treason.
Any indictments/convictions? Has Limbaugh talked about the issue of treason vis a vis Valerie Plame from the same viewpoint of exposing treason? There was a related conviction involved in that instance, as we all know.
the Times revealed a top secret program...
the Times revealed another top secret program...
The Times seems to be proving to us, in a self-interested, profit-motivated fashion, that our government has unacceptable leaks in its top secret programs. If they can find the leaks, perhaps our enemies can as well? Or the CIA should try to recruit these evidently highly resourceful investigators. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 2:23:52 PM | Stop whining like a bunch of grade school girls - Richard Armitage outed Plame -
Get over it. SHe was a freakin desk jockey. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 3:33:32 PM | According to the CIA she was a covert operative working on prevention of the proliferation of nyclear weapons in the Middle East and Persia. But, it isn't like that was important or anything.
If it had happened under a Democratic administration. . .
They Impeached WJC over lying about a BJ, I think Trason is a little more serious. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 4:29:03 PM |
Then why not comment on the post a few pages back with the very very long list of Rush Lies? Two reasons..one it was off topic and two I deemed it to be a troll post! your own conclusions are just that your own conclusions..
Show us that the post is wrong by refuting the evidence. You simply pretended it wasn't there. The true point of this thread is revealed with every post you make: a love fest for Rush, not a discussion on the merits of his radio program and whether those millions are deserved.
If something is in the original post of mine I have no problem explaining to those who may not understand it or question it? I'm cool with that, if it's not done in a respectful way, But when I deem it to be done with malice I won't humor that, nor if I deem it to be a ploy to side step the post and try to spin it to something that's not of the original post! Your thoughts of what this post is or is not...is merely your own assumption, I can't be responsible for how you took the post...nor will I entertain your spin on the post...."Whether Rush lies or tells the Truth" has nothing to do with the original post!
I didn't pay Rush 400 million dollars and neither did you! So neither one of us can with certainty say based on his contract and the details of it whether or not it's justified, the bottem line is Clear Network thinks so so their willing to pay him and I'm willing to listen to him! "A love Fest" as you put seems to be a warped sense of reality but you have that right! | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 4:36:47 PM |
LOSS LEADER ! That is the dumbest freakin thing I have read here to date? Do you think CLear is losing money on Rush? LMAO! Why can't you get your head around the numbers and realize that Clear is making a fortune on him and does not need a FOOKIN LOSS LEADER! Why on earth would they need a loss leader?
WOW! Too wild!
Contrast that to Air AntiAmerica - they were 100% subsidized and still landed in bankruptcy with several imprisoned leaders.
Interesting point....Air America was suppose to be the new program to counter Rush Limbaugh and get their fair share of the Radio market....it failed miserably..
I'm with you on this....The numbers on this deal are not so hard to understand, contracts and deals are done every day in this country that seem like allot of money, Michael Jordon is right at if not already in Billionaire status..from sponsers who paid him far more then his NBA contracts ever did... | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 4:44:25 PM |
Do you remember what Ross Perot said at the Presidential Debate in 1996?
When asked a question that used an economist as a straw man - he replied ---
(insert Texas twang)
I never did meet an economist with any money!
I remember that.... Ross was the Man when it came to one liners that made sense
That's what we need in this election.....Ross to get back in it to livin things up and to roll up his sleeves and get straight to the bullseye! To me I would have paid his annual salary his requested of one dollar just to see what he would have done with the economy and the world trade agreements that some of the past presidents negotiated that cost us billions in export taxs. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 4:56:09 PM |
Rush Limbaugh and many others have exposed the New York Times and other papers of treason. New York Times was always there during most wars and careful about becoming treasonous but not nowadays.
If it wasn't for talk radio, many of these papers would have gotten away with many improprieties.
Ann Coulter's article stems from the New York Times revelations of secret methods use to track down Muslim terrorists. But now we've lost that ability thanks to the New York Times.
All one needs to do is read the whole article and it's all true. Even the Times agree with Ann Coulter's remarks: www.anncoulter.com. It's great to read and hear real strong women and perhaps one of the reason talk radio is popular.
Read all of this article and many others if you dare and have the courage. If not, all well.
Except from the title "New York Times: Better Dead Than Read" by Ann Coulter 07/12/2006:
When I told a New York Observer reporter that my only regret was that Timothy McVeigh didn't hit the New York Times building, I knew many would agree with me -- but I didn't expect that to include the New York Times. And yet, the Times is doing everything in its power to help the terrorists launch another attack on New York City.
Last year, the Times revealed a top secret program tracking phone calls connected to numbers found in Khalid Shaikh Mohammed's cell phone. How much more probable cause do you need, folks? Shall we do this as a diagram? How about in the form of an SAT question -- or is that a touchy subject for the publisher of the Times? "9/11 architect Khalid Shaikh Mohammed is to terrorist attacks as ..."?
And most recently, ignoring the pleas of the administration, 9/11 commissioners and even certifiable liberal Rep. Jack Murtha, the Times revealed another top secret program that had allowed the Treasury Department to track terrorists' financial transactions.
Ms.Connie,
Great post...... The points in here are well worth the read! Many news papers and news outlets love to reveal what The Government is doing to protect our nation...they claim it's the right of Americans to know whats going on? It seems more that security of this nation is of no interest to them...it's treasonist plain and simple! You don't give the enemy our plans or how we find out how their trying to attack this country and call it news...They do for ratings at the risk of killing Americans....so I agree with you 100% it's treason! no matter how others try to paint it! | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 5:40:10 PM |
So what is your point?
.... you asked for examples of where conservative talk show hosts have espoused the murder of people they don't like the thinking of....
hmmmm .... who would hitler listen to? | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 6:17:49 PM | | Right wing talk radio oftentimes has people using foul language--I remember hearing a snippet of it when I entered someone's car, and had to request a change to a musical station so that I would not have to listen to a string of obscenities. Air America has standards, and I have never heard a foul word out of their hosts' mouths. The foul language heard on some of these right wing shows isn't something I would want children to hear. If I had Air America on and I was giving my friend's kids a ride, I would not have to worry about them hearing something inappropriate. It says alot about right wingers' desperation to get their points across. Rush Limbaugh and its ilk are disgusting and not something that represents honor or decency. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 6:30:51 PM |
Right wing talk radio oftentimes has people using foul language--I remember hearing a snippet of it when I entered someone's car, and had to request a change to a musical station so that I would not have to listen to a string of obscenities
I can't imagine that the FCC would be okay with "foul language" being acceptable on the airways. Can you please give an example of what you heard exactly? | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 7:16:23 PM | quote] The foul language heard on some of these right wing shows isn't something I would want children to hear. If I had Air America on and I was giving my friend's kids a ride, I would not have to worry about them hearing something inappropriate. It says alot about right wingers' desperation to get their points across. Rush Limbaugh and its ilk are disgusting and not something that represents honor or decency.
I have listen to talk radio for years and several different programs and have never heard them talk as you describe them? As barbe pointed out, the FCC would not allow that! They would be fined and or shut down...
I have heard on Hannity several times where Hillary supporters would call in to bash Obama and call his family names and Hannity put a stop to it as soon as he realized it was a bash on his family! Personally I find Conservative talk radio to be quite polite and very balanced they go after both parties when they do things that are not in the best interest of Americans! I have heard them rail against Congress Reid Pelosi and gang for bashing our troops and calling them murders rapers and baby killers, and saying our Troops could not win the war! Are you sure it was Conservative Talk Radio and not Air America? | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 7:21:31 PM | Money wins. . . As is the case so often in our society, it isn't the good guy that wins, but the biggest fish, the one with the money makes the rules, fair or not.
So be it.
But, what we can do is make sure to support progressive radio. Make sure that the vitriolic ways of characters like Rush are moot by making sure theirs aren't the only voices out there. Moreover, making sure that voter registration is maintained and that people aren't disenfranchised. The only way they can win is to limit the vote. So, let them have their loss leader radio, we'll just have to win the fairness battle on a more consistent basis. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 7:21:36 PM |
They Impeached WJC over lying about a BJ, I think Trason is a little more serious.
That's incorrect...they impeached our little Billy for lying under oath to a Grand Jury!
For abusing an intern who worked for the Government, then lying to the nation and a Grand Jury and trying to cover it up! This is a married president that has a history of abusing women and his marriage... | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 7:32:54 PM |
Make sure that the vitriolic ways of characters like Rush are moot by making sure theirs aren't the only voices out there. Rush is number one in the market place because he makes the most sense and people love listening to him..no matter how much Liberal talk radio tries they will never catch ElRusbo....it's just a fact he dominates the air waves because people love him...People can say what they will about Rush maybe it's just envy because he not only has the number one Talk Radio show but he also is paid higher then any other T.V. or radio news reporter, and that just eats some people up inside!
Moreover, making sure that voter registration is maintained and that people aren't disenfranchised. The only way they can win is to limit the vote. The only voting problem is those disenfranchised Democrats the Democratic leadership wanted to cancell out their vote in MI. and Fl.....wrong party! | |
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