| Caolition of the Willing ... rrriiiiggghhhtttt
Posted: 7/6/2008 9:53:45 AM | hey Frankster - They have their culture. Far as I know Jimmy Swaggert is not on the cable in Baghdad.
They also now have their freedom.
There is a difference you know. | |
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| Caolition of the Willing ... rrriiiiggghhhtttt
Posted: 7/6/2008 11:42:47 AM |
If we want to improve our image around the world the first step would be to not insult countries who have been generous with whatever they felt they could spare or send at that time.
Political satire is one of our cultural cornerstones, it was funny.
Our Image will improve just by electing Obama. It will really, really improve If we show we are a people of laws and charge him with purgery before congress and all the ramifications hence.
I'm sure a few of those 'willing' coalitions will testify to receiving arrangements for going along with the ruse until they realized it was a ruse and pulled out. | |
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| Caolition of the Willing ... rrriiiiggghhhtttt
Posted: 7/6/2008 1:09:47 PM | | Now that things are really looking progressive in Iraq and Bush's plan for Democracy and Stabilization are working the Iraq war critics are out in full force.. insulting our allies... thanks guys.... and people wonder why our popularity dips around the world. | |
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| Caolition of the Willing ... rrriiiiggghhhtttt
Posted: 7/6/2008 1:31:43 PM | | Democracy CAN'T work in Iraq, no matter how many people we kill to force them to try it. It is not a stable region economically. There is no middle class. There is no safety nor security. It isn't going to happen!!! | |
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| Caolition of the Willing ... rrriiiiggghhhtttt
Posted: 7/6/2008 1:50:15 PM | Again you cant impose the American model on other countries with different cultures and customs.
The stable, prosperous nations in the middle East dont work like the US.
Pretty much all have ruling families. | |
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| Caolition of the Willing ... rrriiiiggghhhtttt
Posted: 7/6/2008 1:57:53 PM |
No, it isn't. Democracy requires stability. There is no stability in the region, hence Democracy can't last.
Of course it is. Iraq is more stable today than most Cities in the USA. There are fewer murders too! Citizens are flocking back and business is booming.
If you read the mil blogs you would know that one of the reasons so many are reenlisting is that they are investing in real estate and business in Iraq.
I understand that many are hoping we lose. SO sorry.
I guess when your Messiah Barry Obama goes there and then finishes hos back flip you will see the light.
Praise the Obama! | |
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| Caolition of the Willing ... rrriiiiggghhhtttt
Posted: 7/6/2008 2:05:41 PM | Just repeating the lies of the right wing talking machine does not add validity to your argument. When you send me a postcard from Bagdad, I'll believe you! Until then, you are simply spreading propaganda. If it is so safe there, how come it required the better part of an Army Division to keep McSame Safe so he could walk the streets, in a so called safe neighborhood?
Iraq was stable, before we broke it. You can't just claim that a region has democracy because they got to held a vote. Democracy does not mean voting, it means a government of the people. That their voices are heard. When 600,000 are dead and 4,000,000 have fled, that doesn't sound like their voices are being heard. | |
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| Caolition of the Willing ... rrriiiiggghhhtttt
Posted: 7/6/2008 2:15:02 PM | hey ex - I can't answer you - you post no facts = no links. You have limited exposure to data. The entire world knows that Iraq is becoming more stable by the minute. I know this upsets you and your ilk. As I said even your Messiah is beginning to "rethink" his position on Iraq! LMAO~!
I am one that is proud of our soldiers sacrifice.
Ask the millions that we found in the mass graves throughout Iraq how stable it was!
UNFOOKIN REAL stuff there ex.
Wooooooo | |
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| Caolition of the Willing ... rrriiiiggghhhtttt
Posted: 7/6/2008 2:41:46 PM | here ex - readem and weep!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article4276486.ece
Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
Marie Colvin in Mosul
American and Iraqi forces are driving Al-Qaeda in Iraq out of its last redoubt in the north of the country in the culmination of one of the most spectacular victories of the war on terror.
After being forced from its strongholds in the west and centre of Iraq in the past two years, Al-Qaeda’s dwindling band of fighters has made a defiant “last stand” in the northern city of Mosul.
A huge operation to crush the 1,200 fighters who remained from a terrorist force once estimated at more than 12,000 began on May 10.
Operation Lion’s Roar, in which the Iraqi army combined forces with the Americans’ 3rd Armoured Cavalry Regiment, has already resulted in the death of Abu Khalaf, the Al-Qaeda leader, and the capture of more than 1,000 suspects.
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The group has been reduced to hit-and-run attacks, including one that killed two off-duty policemen yesterday, and sporadic bombings aimed at killing large numbers of officials and civilians.
Last Friday I joined the 2nd Iraqi Division as it supported local police in a house-to-house search for one such bomb after intelligence pointed to a large explosion today.
Even in the district of Zanjali, previously a hotbed of the insurgency, it was possible to accompany an Iraqi colonel on foot through streets of breeze-block houses studded with bullet holes. Hundreds of houses were searched without resistance but no bomb was found, only 60kg of explosives.
American and Iraqi leaders believe that while it would be premature to write off Al-Qaeda in Iraq, the Sunni group has lost control of its last urban base in Mosul and its remnants have been largely driven into the countryside to the south.
Nouri al-Maliki, Iraq’s prime minister, who has also led a crackdown on the Shi’ite Mahdi Army in Basra and Baghdad in recent months, claimed yesterday that his government had “defeated” terrorism. | |
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| Caolition of the Willing ... rrriiiiggghhhtttt
Posted: 7/6/2008 2:56:21 PM | First of all, Al Queda was NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT in Iraq. That is a lie, you lose all credibility there.
Second, more than 300,000 serious injuries have happened to our GIs, not to mention the 4,200 dead. The 600,000 dead Iraqi CIVILIANS, the 4,000,000 + Displaced. Of course things have settled somewhat, Genocide works.
Here's a radical idea, how about not being a global bully? more than 90% of Iraqis want us gone, NOW. If we are ding such a great job of provideing stability, why do they want us out of their country this minute, if at all possible?
I do understand the situation. And my experience is NOT limited to just listening to rush or pretending to support the troops. I have sacrificed for this godforsaken joke of a foriegn policy. | |
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| Caolition of the Willing ... rrriiiiggghhhtttt
Posted: 7/6/2008 3:02:34 PM | Psssssst - It is working.
Even the liberal rags like the NYT know it.
Even Barry Obama knows it.
I know, isn't it Grand? even if the MSM isn't running the progress report 24/7.. the next President is going to be very fortunate because Bush is turning over an improved progressive Iraq with a huge supplemental budget just passed by the Congress.. It is true that only bad news sells that's why news from Iraq has been so hush hush this past year.. cause it's good news for many of us. | |
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| Caolition of the Willing ... rrriiiiggghhhtttt
Posted: 7/6/2008 3:25:39 PM | I am not going to bite on your mean spiritedness against me. Of the two of us, one has earned several degrees. I do not have any difficulty finding words, nor do I have any intention of changing your mind on any subject. I don't come in here trying to sway your opinion. I come in here to prevent the misinformation from being spread without a counterbalance. I simply want to make sure that a voice of reason exists.
I know I have been successful, because I have received numerous letters thanking me for my vigilance against the lies.
And NO, Al Queda was NOT in Iraq. We may as well have started a war in Canada, there were just as many there. Leave it to a president with an IQ of 80 to invade the wrong country! | |
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| Caolition of the Willing ... rrriiiiggghhhtttt
Posted: 7/6/2008 3:32:01 PM | Exodusi1: Why CAN'T democracy work in Iraq? They have already elected a government that includes Kurds, Shiites, and Sunnis. The government is stable and becoming more stable. From what I have seen, neighborhoods are becoming more normal. I saw a picture just yesterday of a public swimming pool filled with children.
Why can't Iraq have a middle class? The Middle Eastern population in the U.S. are amazing entrepreneurs. They frequently make a very good living for themselves when given an opportunity at freedom.
Why can't the region become stable economically. They have oil to export.
I saw a report a few months ago that the one job that doesn't have as much work as previously is gravediggers.  That is a good thing in my opinion!
The less news there is about Iraq, the better things are going. The mainstream media hates to report on success in Iraq, in my opinion, because they are invested in failure.
As far as the coalition of the willing, I believe that all this anti-Americanism is a bunch of hype. I remember after 9/11 a village in Africa sent the United States a couple of goats because that was its wealth. Did we need those animals? No, but we were gracious in accepting their gift because it was from the heart and signified their desire to support us in our time of crisis.
We do not force any nation to join a military coalition. They are free to join, and they are free to withdraw at their discretion.
For those of you who have never read George Orwell's classic novel 1984, I would suggest you read it. The section on what happens to those who oppose the government is quite memorable. | |
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| Caolition of the Willing ... rrriiiiggghhhtttt
Posted: 7/6/2008 3:54:06 PM | *- Trolling/Flamebaiting material removed. Address the topic, not the poster and leave out the partisan generalizations. The grace period for some of you is over. -TheMadFiddler-* | |
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| Caolition of the Willing ... rrriiiiggghhhtttt
Posted: 7/6/2008 4:07:50 PM |
Exodusi1: Why CAN'T democracy work in Iraq?
We'll see.....I guess it depends on what you think democracy is.
I find it the height of irony that so many western women who are lucky enough to live in SECULAR democracies are celebrating the destruction of one of the only secular regimes in the Middle East. The re-implementation of sharia law in Iraq will be/is a real shame for the women there.
YAY Coalition of the Willing! | |
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| Caolition of the Willing ... rrriiiiggghhhtttt
Posted: 7/6/2008 4:25:19 PM | frankster p, and you dont think the US has ruling families?
As far as this thread goes, I believe the countries in the "coalition" were mostly bought and paid for or if not, pressured to join it and gave a token contribution. We were the ones who "knew" where the WMDs were hidden and didnt want to wait for the Blix team to produce their final results, especially after they were given access by Saddam that Hans Blix rated them a B+ grade for and was turning up nothing.
A democracy of sorts IS possible in Iraq and sure, maybe they are a little closer to one after the world's superpower has put major resources into it and made it our top priority for five years, I am sure that the moon would be closer to a democracy given that effort, too.
So what? Since when is it our damned business how people run their countries or our business to invade and bomb them and then rebuild them with a better mousetrap? It's our business to defend our country from threats and our business to have a fair trade balance and exercise diplomacy to other nations ..... I dont think this country or anyone in it but a few gave a rat's ass about how Saddam treated Iraqis until it became the new cover story when we failed to show a threat..... nor do I think we really care now except to share the fantasy, quite honestly.
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| Caolition of the Willing ... rrriiiiggghhhtttt
Posted: 7/6/2008 5:00:51 PM | frankster, I know what you meant. And we sure walk a delicate walk when we condemn kingdoms in favor of democracy and have so many allies in the ME that are kingdoms, dont we? A bit two-faced........
Iraqis will be happy when they can have electricity, water, jobs, safety, and a normal life .........and possibly a sense of fair representation in their government ... and when that happy day comes, they will boot our asses out of there and we will cry at how ungrateful the little **stards are.
We ought to be gentlemen, though, and leave before our welcome wears out. Make the oil deals, leave a force to protect our interests, pull together some coalition of surrounding ME countries with some cooperative agreements.........and wish them well. | |
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