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Posted: 7/6/2008 9:04:41 AM | | it was a joke...come on.....6 hours....half an hour and then the police should have moved in and grabbed the woman and took her away.....just wait....year and a half and there will be more so called jumpers on most of the bridges saying oh im going to kill myself....and making traffic stop.....should we call them hate olympic jumpers....are the police going to close the bridge for that...well they probably will cause everyone feels sorry for people that say they will jump for fact how many actually do....i know of 4 and well 5 ...k u cant call the 5th guy a sucidal jumper...wait u can...what idiot jumps off the bridge with a bungy cord tied to him thinking he is a stunt man for the movies and hits his head on the boat deck...that was two funny when i heard that one....the vancouver police are morons....the north van rcmp wanted to keep the bridge going but the vancouver police said no....another good move by the vpd.....no wonder they have a bad name around the world...idiots..... | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 9:57:12 AM | Cwolfy
In this particular case it was not a woman but a child of 13.....does that make any difference to you?
CC
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Posted: 7/6/2008 10:30:22 AM |
Gordon Wilson was the provincial Liberal leader back in the early 90s....lost the leadership to Gordon Campbell and the old Socreds in 1994 leadership.
You're right my mistake ,guess I'm just painting all the politicians with the same ugly brush again. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 10:45:43 AM | When I had to commute to and from work on that day, It was luck that coming over the seabus to Vancouver, didn't have delays. As I finished my shift, I went home by bus to North Van, without knowing that the Lions Gate Bridge & Second Narrows had been closed that day. It was luck that I did make it to & from my destinations, as the closures didn't effect me.
When I left for work, the Seabus from the Waterfront Vancouver side was experiencing delays, that went from 1 seabus wait to several and over 2 hours to wait. I heard from the North Vancouver side, the line up to the seabus went to East Esplanade. The closure problem was major issue to everyone who was trying to get somewhere for personal or business, and as we discuss the effects of the closures, it did have rippling effect in all directions.
As much sympathy people have shown for a jumper on a bridge, 6 hours is too long to hold people in their cars and cause transit to overload on the seabus. The police made the decision, with all the extra people on the roads that day, received complaints & backlash from the public, when a person in crisis needed help. Their needs to be a better way to improve emergency response than closing all lanes on a bridge, creating major gridlock, and compromise for emergency personnel & the public. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 11:07:42 AM | | by the way...it wasnt a 13 yr old child...it was a elderly woman....as u read in the news...they dont even come close to saying it was a child...or they would have said child and not a woman threatened to jump | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 11:16:39 AM | Apparently I missed the boat here in this thread....after back tracking I see the info was corrected as to the age of the jumper.....
Curious to know if people would be a little less heartless if it indeed had been a child instead of an adult?
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Posted: 7/6/2008 11:16:39 AM | | I pointed out the fact that it was a elderly woman many posts ago...they are like a pack of dogs C Wolfy,once they get a hold of something..be darned if they are going to let it go.Personally Yes I think there is a big difference between a elderly lady wanting to do the swan dive and a 13 year old child.Just of course my .2 cents worth. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:17:50 PM | | Why dont they just weld steel mesh to the bridge so no one could even threaten to jump if they tried? Or maybe just make a new bridge all together that is covered and for pedestrian traffic only...........I haven't heard of anyone threating to jump off the Capalano bridge, but then I haven't lived here all that long..... crazy ol world out there...*shakes head* | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:23:44 PM | Hey Crashin Chloe...Halo and Alien....
...Now you are saying there is a difference if it were a child versus an adult?
You liberal pansie a$$'es have beens spewing ...."A LIFE IS A LIFE"....on this thread.
So now, a child is more important than an adult.
...You three are the annoying ones...so careful who you go around calling annoying.....it's not the," lets figure out a solution to the problem posters here".
Sheesh
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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:26:35 PM | I think if someone wants to jump they'll find a way over the barriers.... climb the mesh?
As for the Capilano,..... nope they drop their kids over that one. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:33:14 PM | solutions ideas for any bridge closures due to jumpers, accidents etc :
traffic control:
figuring out some transit specialists ( or whatever their 'titles' are) to respond to vehicle/transit crisis while emergency personnel deal with 'jumper'
This would include figuring out (pre crisis planning) for any major bridge closure to 'turn' around and re route those vehicles . 30 min timeline (which should enable some sort of transit emergency crew to arrive and begin)
we have all sorts of 'disaster planning for these bridges' so it isn't impossible.
other ideas? | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:35:33 PM | oh yeah ,pantherrrrrr, I remember that one...sheeeesh didnt want to though! Still, I know of very little "jumpers" on foot bridges.... perhaps a certificate of sanity before you can step onto a bridge?.... I wouldnt even be out there anyhow, Id be like working on a long weekend and like staying home with the family livin and lovin!! (just put mesh up and cage in the walkways) Unfortunately you are right pantherrrrrrr, they will still find a way. Too sad...... life rocks even when you think it doesnt it still can! | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:41:39 PM | Maxx
Apparently English is not your friend....at no point did I say one was less than an other. I simply asked others if it made a difference to them?
BTW....what is a Liberal Pansie *****......lol.....not sure if I should feel honoured now or not...
Your list of names in your name calling is getting larger...does this make you feel special?
CC the bleeding heart !!! 
You liberal pansie a$$'es have beens spewing | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:56:51 PM | I certainly think it should make no difference whatsoever as to the age of the would-be jumper, with respect to how the matter is/was handled.
I also feel it is regrettable that some people are unable to refrain from getting nasty just because some people disagree with them... sigh.
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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:59:18 PM | I think it's truly amazing that we live in a society where the life of one person is considered to be important enough to hold up traffic for 6 hours to try to prevent them from dying. If it were a family member, friend or neighbor of mine, I would be so grateful that the police made a decision to do stop traffic. It is highly unlikely that she was thinking that this would happen as she was most likely only trying to stop her own pain.
I am sure that from this experience, a protocol will be developed for how to deal with this kind of emergency situation on any of the major bridges in the lower mainland for the future and if it means a bit of inconvenience for some of you posters who don't seem to be able to see past your own inconvenience, then too bad, so sad for you.
Don't forget that life circumstances can change very fast and you may never think that you or a loved one would choose to jump off a bridge or try some other lethal way to end their personal pain but the reality is that you may be faced with this in your own lives and be glad that there were people there to help. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 2:48:08 PM | Hey Crashin Chloe...Halo and Alien....
...Now you are saying there is a difference if it were a child versus an adult?
You liberal pansie a$$'es have beens spewing ...."A LIFE IS A LIFE"....on this thread.
So now, a child is more important than an adult.
...You three are the annoying ones...so careful who you go around calling annoying.....it's not the," lets figure out a solution to the problem posters here".
Maxx, I've stopped replying to this thread; I'd be ever so thankful if you stopped including my name in your negative outbursts and childish name calling.
Thank you kindly,
Halo. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 2:54:06 PM | I think it would be best if Maxx stopped posting altogether. Name calling like that is totally unacceptable. It is pretty clear that Maxx has some issues that he needs to deal with outside of the forums.
Halo: Thanks for your earlier postings on this thread as I really appreciated hearing your perspective. Education goes a long way. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 3:08:31 PM | I would like to thank the name caller for providing me with yet another creative addition to my profile!!! Thank you name caller!
This thread did not ask us to provide solutions - in the OT the question was clearly asking what we thought. I've said what I thought and I agree with the many others who have thanked and complimented halokitty on her concise, articulate, educational and bravely candid posts. Thanks again halo!
I'm leaving this playground too !
A.S.is
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| Bridge Closure Due to Jumper???
Posted: 7/6/2008 6:25:17 PM | Bless you all...honest injun.
....btw....I am related to or friends with/were, more than a few, who are suffering/suffered from minor and major mood disorders.
So........so far we have submissions ranging from...anti suicide fences...anti suicide nets....traffic control officers....to, they will find a way to climb and jump anyways....to...... certain poster's opinions on this thread, who shall go nameless......it depends if its a child or an adult......to......there being absolutely no limits isolating/locking down a major artery/bridge, City,Province or Country, in order to accomodate even one potential bridge jumper.
The above suggestions range from the......right wing, Conservative, heartless, cheap b*stards on one side to the Pansie A$$ Liberals on the other.
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Posted: 7/6/2008 7:10:09 PM | Sure is annoying that so many are STILL missing the point!!
Why is it that anyone who submits an idea for how this could have been handled differently is immediately branded "heartless" or "cold"?
Let's get this straight: NOBODY is saying they should have let the person jump!!! Got it!!??!?! We're just saying that it could have been handled better and with much less disruption to traffic and to the lives of thousands of commuters.
Get off the high horse already! Instead of issuing pronouncements from your obviously-higher moral ground, how about instead offering some possible solutions?!
( Really, the odour of self-righteousness on this thread is enough to gag an elephant!!) | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 10:27:00 AM | message four re your following comment from an "actual" new yorker:
you said:
"In NYC they would let them jump. It was like they had an un-written rule about jumpers. Give them half an hour then let them dive."
many people during the world trade center attack went back in and "stayed" with their felllow humans and died so they would not be alone or trying to get them out. the man in the wheelchair (african american) and his friend who stayed (orthodox jewish) come to immediate mind: two "new yorkers" from two different sub communities/cultures who were loyal friends until the end. as a born and raised new yorker, slowly invaded by many non-new yorkers (property investors mostly), i would disagree with your comment. we were a city of banded working class ethnics. if it has become something else, it is no longer the real new yorker you are discussing.
yes, i have heard of this type of situation when i was very young and it was very shocking. new yorkers, in fact, are known to often "bud in" and to outside cultures (even within the usa), they are supposed to be rude. living now in california, where "passive aggression" reigns, i find it all very strange. new yorkers are raised to take care of their own, which includes not only family but neighbors and community. so yes, i suppose they bud in and are not always that polite. i guess i am budding in right now by responding to an out of area thread, but to me POF is also community.
i got into the british columbia threads by accident, following a fellow poster. so, hope you don't mind my invasion. but, what strikes me overall, is how people throughout the world, are seemingly becoming much coarser and less compassionate--more and more depressed.
so, if reading this thread, incites one more shred of decency in one person for just today, so that it could be passed on to someone else and then to another--it will have shifted the overall energy, i think. it takes only little deeds of compassion and tiny little reminders (like this thread),so as to not let our world degenerate into telling a suffering human being to jump off a bridge. it's the "pass it on concept". each one of us passes something kind or tolerant onto someone else, they in turn make it logarithmic. refuel someone else's heart and it will come back to you multifold over time. maybe not from the same person (my mother used to say), but from the same energy pool, which in turn feeds us all. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 11:23:07 AM | Good Morning Serenity!
So good to hear your thoughts.
I have stayed away since my initial post because I can see "heat " coming early on in threads
and I like to let the resultant flames die away before commenting further.
I come from a family full of career military men, one of the few girls in my immediate surroundings.
I soaked all that up from an early age. Procedure, protocols, emergency/disaster control, all strategies which took several generations to address and still, yet to perfect. Circumstances and equipment evolve with changing population and environment so it is likely there will never be a definitive "way".
We sure could get a lot closer to having services that meet the needs of both sides better.
The police basically operated from a military model,as far as I can tell, until recently. I notice (due to recruiting and retention difficulties) an overwhelming majority of officers are age 25 or less for about the past 15 years. Many of those have but a few months, or years of experience away from a desk..
Note: I say many not all!It is way more typical to have NO senior officers at all on the call since
they can only send who they have!
I do notice, since where I live now( and the same for where I moved from), has a high street population/ crime area, that the police do things very much like current police tv shows and movies when they arrive for a call . They operate quite differently than in the past as far as using common sense and following the laws themselves in order to curb the hazard and inconvenience they create for the public. It is particularly galling when they create hazards (through habit) when they EASILY have an alternative.
ie parking one lane of two on a main one way street slanted just enough to butt into the other busy lane, leave the car running, question a pedestrian or bike rider and have them empty all backpack and pocket contents on hood of car same for cars they pull over for possible infractions. This when there are several legal parking spaces empty and waiting right next to where they have parked.
When an overdose or medical issue of any kind (recently it was a 2 week old body
found(poses very little thread or demand lol) and my managers heart scare(not the same call!)
no less than two fire trucks , two ambulance vans, and two or three cop cars arrive and STAY all with engines running(to flash lights) for as long as it takes to realize only half the personnel is needed and half leave after 45 minutes sometimes longer, rarely sooner, the remaining do not move or shut off their vehicles.
I don't write to invite critisizim(sp sorry) about where I live.
So, please give me a break on that and stay on topic,
My heart is with Halokitty, myself and the myriad of women I know and advocate(officially) for
in this argument because WE have personally been on our own "bridge"(quotes to indicate this also means figuratively). often more than once.
Some of us are just, often neccesarily, more reticent about declaring that to make a point.
I agree emergency Police and Emergengy Crew protocols regarding health and mental health situations need to be amended(enough with the review already!) and that training needs to address CURRENT common call circumstances. Also , the prejudicial attitude of individual officers toward various factors, such as age, economic standing and race is a rampant problem and does need to be habitually reviewed and corrected.
All of this takes money , which takes political will to change/expand the direction of govt spending.
Meantime, after you write your daily letter to the appropriate politician, in that regard,
thank your lucky stars it's not you or yours (if you can't include strangers in your compassion) on that bridge!
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Posted: 7/7/2008 4:40:58 PM | Some of you already know that I work on "live" roads, improving, widening,etc. Well during certain times I have to use my imagination, a little luck and some planning, but I can still get my work done, AND still keep traffic moving(albeit,,,sometimes a little slow). THUS, my comment that 6 hours was wayyyyyyy tooooo long to have the bridge shutdown.
As Rita has pointed out,,,the police and fire personal do NOT want to think about traffic anymore when the arrive on the scene. They come in hell bent for leather,,,park their trucks,cars etc wherever,,,and HOPE they have blocked everything from moving. If you talk to them on the side they(well some) will actually admit that they do NOT want to deal with traffic zooming by while they are attending. One,,,it's dangerous. Two,,,they don't have a clue how to control traffic. (next time when driving by a scene watch the fireman holding the paddle,,,,,he shouldn't be doing it!!!)
Then you also have to take into account the public's reaction to such events. Ummmmm, this thread is one of them. You have some here on one hand thinking that the world should be shut down because someone has decided they may want to take their lives by jumping off a bridge into water. ( I won't point out that this is NOT the way to kill yourself if you are actually thinking of doing it.) Then you have the other hand (including Falcon) that have said that there is no way in hell that bridge should have been shut down for that long. And on this "other" hand,,,,no one says that we should just abandon the mentally ill.But we have a few from the "first" hand saying that the "other" hand is cruel, heartless, unsympathetic,etc. And I ask,,like a few others here,,,WHY??????
Sooooo, you have these emergency people with public watchdogs who are ready to whine and complain at the first sign of trouble,,,but have no idea why they are complaining other then to stay with the "norm",political correct and not looked upon as cruel, heartless, unsympathetic. You want to "save" everyone from everything,,,but I'm asking you at what cost????? And please,,,let's have some reality within your answers.
I wonder if there has been a study on potential "jumpers" and how many of them ACTUALLY jumped after standing on a bridge for.,,,,,,,let's say an hour???????? Anybody???? I'm sure there is enough evidence out there that will tell us the "average". Of course someone is gonna have to have the gonads and make an actual call on how these types of situations are handled. If we hear enough whining,,like we have heard on this thread,,,those gonads will shrink daily. No matter what these people do(or not do) to help these mentally "ill" when they are hanging around on a bridge deck you are going to have people say we do too much,,,or too little. Either/or,,,,,guaranteed,,,just go back a re-read^^^^^. | |
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