Xavery
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Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 101 | |
| Bridge Closure Due to Jumper???
Posted: 7/7/2008 9:05:55 PM | | ^I suspect there are studies of jumpers and how long it takes them to jump. For some reason, I think they might take a while to decide. Someone should google it. | |
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| Bridge Closure Due to Jumper???
Posted: 7/7/2008 9:22:33 PM | Not exactly statistics but an amazing read nonetheless:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/magazine/06suicide-t.html?pagewanted=print | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 9:46:29 PM | "thanks for the article Halo"....
"In September 2000, Kevin Hines, a 19-year-old college student suffering from bipolar disorder, leapt from the Golden Gate. Along with Ken Baldwin, he is one of only 29 known survivors of the fall. Today Hines controls his bipolar disorder with medication and a strictly controlled regimen of diet and exercise and sleep, even while maintaining a frenetic schedule. Having recently married, he is frequently on the road lecturing for a suicide-prevention network while simultaneously working toward a psychology degree. One of his most intense ambitions, though, is to finally see a suicide barrier erected on the Golden Gate.
“I’ll tell you what I can’t get out of my head,” he told me in his San Francisco living room. “It’s watching my hands come off that railing and thinking to myself, My God, what have I just done? Because I know that almost everyone else who’s gone off that bridge, they had that exact same thought at that moment. All of a sudden, they didn’t want to die, but it was too late. Somehow I made it; they didn’t; and now I feel it’s my responsibility to speak for them.” ""
Moral is....Put up a suicide fence on the bridge.
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iris43
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Joined: 4/20/2007
Msg: 104 | |
| Bridge Closure Due to Jumper???
Posted: 7/8/2008 8:21:39 AM | | I feel for the woman who felt her only course of action was to think of suicide.....having said that having the traffic come to a complete stop while they try and talk her down is something all together different. What about the old people that had to sit in their cars and risk their health due to heat exhaustion...or the Doctors who were scheduled to preform operations that could not make it....there patients might have died....they need to get other alternatives in place so this type of gridlock does not happen again. Several people could have died, to save one!!!! | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 9:46:32 AM |
there patients might have died
Nope. When that happens the surgery is either rescheduled, or if it's an emergency, another surgeon takes over. They don't just let the patient die because that particular surgeon hasn't shown up. | |
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iris43
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Joined: 4/20/2007
Msg: 106 | |
| Bridge Closure Due to Jumper???
Posted: 7/8/2008 11:31:58 AM | | Perhaps a bad example but none the less....other situations could have taken place many people could have been put in harms way just to save one. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 4:41:22 PM | Well said CR Pete !! I am sure many people were seriously suffering for those 6 hours, especially children and the elderly, all because of one person. I drive for a living and am constanly getting into traffic jams, mostly because of other selfish people who drive like morons. The police should have a gun that fires a net, like capturing an animal, together with a tranquilizer dart to sedate them, or some other way to catch them.
What the suicide should do in the first place is to not go on the bridge but PHONE SOMEONE!!, crisis line, a doctor, a church, a friend, police, ANYONE! | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 5:42:47 PM | someonelikeyou YOU get my vote to leave the island. To the rest of you that think it is a major inconvience to save a persons life SHAME ON YOU! I wonder just where you are going to draw the line when it comes to one of YOUR loved ones????? Maybe you should let all the Police and Fire Depts know ahead of time just how long you want us to tie up traffic for to save your loved one. I have been to or seen first hand the results of both successful and unsuccessfull suicide attempts most of you have no idea the effect it has on the families and the Emergency Response Personal involved. I am not surprised however because I see the same sad behavior at most of the accidents I attend.
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Posted: 7/8/2008 8:32:36 PM | I agree with you Al, seems no one really cares until the tragedy hits close to home.
Next there will be a thread on how the EMT etc... tried to get traffic moving at the scene and the person ended up dying because no one cared. Didn't know trying to save a life should be timed by a stopwatch... Ok times up, shows over, jumper dead , lets get this traffic moving ... seems a little callous to me but then again I have empathy for those that seek help. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 8:47:23 PM | REPOST......"thanks for the article Halo"....
"In September 2000, Kevin Hines, a 19-year-old college student suffering from bipolar disorder, leapt from the Golden Gate. Along with Ken Baldwin, he is one of only 29 known survivors of the fall. Today Hines controls his bipolar disorder with medication and a strictly controlled regimen of diet and exercise and sleep, even while maintaining a frenetic schedule. Having recently married, he is frequently on the road lecturing for a suicide-prevention network while simultaneously working toward a psychology degree. One of his most intense ambitions, though, is to finally see a suicide barrier erected on the Golden Gate.
“I’ll tell you what I can’t get out of my head,” he told me in his San Francisco living room. “It’s watching my hands come off that railing and thinking to myself, My God, what have I just done? Because I know that almost everyone else who’s gone off that bridge, they had that exact same thought at that moment. All of a sudden, they didn’t want to die, but it was too late. Somehow I made it; they didn’t; and now I feel it’s my responsibility to speak for them.” ""
Moral is....Put up a suicide fence on the bridge.
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Posted: 7/8/2008 9:23:43 PM | | That's a great idea putting up suicide fences, might stop the jumpers. What about if there are fatalities on the bridge deck itself eg. pile up, head on etc... emergency crews will shut down the bridge. Then what? Think you end up with the same scenario of traffic held up. Bit like the ferries when there is a bomb threat on board or sailings are stopped because of high winds and it's too dangerous for crossings. People chose to live in the lower mainland knowing that it is all connected together with bridges, so when an incident occurs, guess what there will be delays. If you don't want to deal with the potential events taking place move to the prairies. It's flat for miles............... | |
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Xavery
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Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 112 | |
| Bridge Closure Due to Jumper???
Posted: 7/8/2008 10:02:29 PM | ^I think it is probably best to deal with one problem at a time and to minimize the number of problems we have.
However, if these suicide fences are so effective, why aren't they up? Is it a cost issue? | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 11:27:16 PM | Good question there Xavery! You would think that if maintaining the flow of traffic was such an important issue then DOT would have thought of this preventive measure years ago. Bet it will happen before the Olympics .. Just like everything else that needs to be done around here, it seems to hinge on if there is an election or the Olympics.
Will be interesting now to see what will happen to rectify this situation. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 8:02:28 AM | I am sure the idea of fences or barriers to prevent jumpers from being able to carry out their mission. If someone is desperate enough they will do wat they wish to do. Consider a catch net beneath the bridge. While it has the effect of preventing a jumper from plummeting to his/her death on the initial jump it still does not prvent the jumper from taking a leap from the highest point of the bridge attempting to leap past the furthest point of the catch net or leaping to the bridge deck below.
A main fence gating off the super structure of the bridge. Well this is a little more realistic if 12' chain link is used with razor wire at the top is in place around the entire perimiter of the access to the main structure. However again with enough determination a person will find a way around or over this.
Putting up a steel mesh grating to protect cars from falling persons on the above super structure. An expensive option that does not protect the jumper from performing their high dive act but does protect drivers below from possible injury. This is an unrealistic plan as police would still close off the bridge to keep public viewing of a suicide act from publics eyes. The best option IMHO is the extremely high fence with razor wire. I do not see it happening however as the Province will not want to have visitors think we have a problem with people commiting suicide here and this would be a visual indicator to tourists.
Something must be done though and there will be a bandaid fix done by 2010. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 7:51:07 PM | first of all... halokitty thanks for sharing your experiences and wisdom
secondly... to kevin(expetive deleted) falcon and those that made the following statements -
with much less disruption to traffic ... emotional distress of one person is not reason enough to let thousands of people... the sack of shit... caused havoc for 50,000 people... look at all the attention they can get.... Of course she just wanted the attn
does anybody really think that allowing slow moving traffic through is going to help things? what if your "attention seeking" " sack of shit" wife/daughter/mother/father/son/husband or even one of you are standing out there wanting to end it all and the authorities decide not close the bridge. tell us how you'd feel about the people out there having to work that much harder to save you or your loved one, while callous shitheads are driving by screaming obscenities about being inconvienced and how their time is so much more important(and don't even think about saying that wouldn't happen). come back and share your views with us then.
the police and fire personal do NOT want to think about traffic anymore when the arrive on the scene.
why should they have to worry about getting run over while trying to do their jobs? the first step at any emergency scene is to make it safe and secure for those doing the rescuing and the simplest way to do this is to seal it off. once it is closed off, they have one less thing to worry about.
as for the backed-up traffic... i'm thinking somebody in uniform should've started at the back of the line and said "you back up and turn around" and worked their way up the line. slow yes, but still better than just sitting there. | |
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| Bridge Closure Due to Jumper???
Posted: 7/11/2008 9:44:27 PM | I've decided to take the proactive route with this issue and written several letters to the people that have the power to make changes. I believe that many others have done the same. I think that the only way to make major positive changes to situations like this is to write as many letters/and petitions as it'll take to make these changes come about. It is the slow/tedious way to do things, but I believe that it can/will be done with constant pressure through this route that the changes can/and will be made.
So for those of you that are both angry and those of you that are of the more understanding of the situation but all still feel that there needs to be a change of some sort, you might want to consider going my route and see how well/fast it works.
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| Bridge Closure Due to Jumper???
Posted: 7/11/2008 9:47:09 PM | | Wow...does it ever make sense to get someone in uniform to start at the back of the line and tell people to back up rather than just sit there. What a great solution. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 10:09:31 PM | | ^^^ well, considering that some people were sitting there for hours, it obvious that those at the back of the line weren't thinking of it themselves. as for the uniform, do you want to explain to the jerk in the suv why you're coming off the cassiar connector the wrong? | |
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XHTML
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Joined: 6/5/2008
Msg: 119 | |
| Bridge Closure Due to Jumper???
Posted: 10/17/2008 5:42:28 AM | Announced in the news this morning is that the government is going to install suicide barriers on the new Golden Ears bridge (currently under construction), and is considering retrofitting some existing bridges, including First and Second Narrows over the Fraser River, with suicide barriers.
This measure should considerably alleviate frustrations such as were felt in the incident described in the original post. | |
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| Bridge Closure Due to Jumper???
Posted: 10/17/2008 9:08:51 AM | | Must be a new trend ... the Golden Gate Bridge in San Fran is putting up "anti-suicide safety nets", too. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2008 12:02:38 PM | THE BRIDGE .. a movie about suicide and the Golden Gate Bridge
actual footage - filmed the GG Bridge and the jumpers for a year 24/7
incredibly mind striking - the creator ws on Dr Phil the other day
thebridge-themovie.com | |
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| Bridge Closure Due to Jumper???
Posted: 10/15/2009 2:47:31 PM | | Vanoc would be seem inept in the eyes of the world if a would-be jumper disrupted the Vancouver flow traffic so much that people were impeded from competing or attending an Olympic competition. | |
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