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Posted: 7/5/2008 11:13:01 PM | K Shawhan, but if you want him as an exemplar of post-war conservative politics, you have to take his violent opposition to civil rights as part of the package....(and more lately, gay rights)...no? I have no problem with that...if the conservatives want him and his legacy they can have him...and I'm more than happy to see him as of a "type" with Reagan, et al..but then, I'm not a conservative.
But again, the man is dead. I'd like to see him and his ilk as a thing of the PAST, at least when it comes to his ideas about race relations and other social issues. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:08:37 AM | "To rob the Negro of his reputation of thinking through a problem
in his own fashion is about the same as trying to pretend that he
doesn't have a natural instinct for rhythm and for
singing and dancing." --- Jesse Helms
I change my mind, piss away. This ****er never lost an ellection, he had to RETIRE to lose office. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:15:30 AM | Jesse Helms was not a perfect person as some attempt to portray themselves as. Jesse Helms was never known to be abusive to any person. His comments about blacks had to do with certain blacks that were and are leftists and anti-American, like the Obama's Reverend Wright. Jesse Helms was loved by many blacks including Colin Powell and he loved many blacks, and he also loved the only black Justice we have in the Supreme Court appointed by a Republican President. Something Democrats avoided and refused to confirm back in the day. Jesse Helms was for Clarence Thomas confirmation not the Democrats. State Universities have been tainted with people he dislike, liberals and the reason he blasted these people. And yes, he disliked Communists, as most Americans do, even Democrats, moderate ones. Overall, he along with Reagan and others restored America from the damage since the 60's. When Republican leaders are saying there is no more fat in the federal budget, the proper political translation is that the Grand Old Party of Taft, Goldwater, Reagan and Helms is no more. I pasted a more complete article of his death from a more detailed reading since it's a local press from the Tarheel state. A state with a large black population where many whites in the north would not live because of it. And it's a prosperous state, both the Carolinas. I should know first hand since I have a summer home in Rock Hill, SC.
Conservative icon Jesse Helms dead at 86
Jesse Helms
Posted: Jul. 4, 2008
Updated: Jul. 5 6:55 p.m.
Raleigh, N.C. — Jesse Helms, the firebrand United States senator whose outspoken, conservative views polarized North Carolina and U.S. voters for decades, died at 1:15 a.m. Friday in Raleigh, according to John Dodd, president of the Jesse Helms Center.
He joins the second, third and fifth presidents of the United States – John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and James Monroe – who also died on Independence Day.
He was 86. His cause of death was not released. Helms will lie in repose on Monday from 10 a.m. to 8 p.m. at Hayes-Barton Baptist Church in Raleigh. His funeral is at 2 p.m. Tuesday also at the church. A private burial will follow.
Helms served five terms in the U.S. Senate, retiring in 2003 because of his faltering health. During his 30 years in Capitol Hill, the North Carolina Republican became a powerful voice for a conservative movement that was growing both in Congress and across the country, and he used his position to speak out against issues like gay rights, federal funding for the arts and U.S. foreign aid.
"I had sought election in 1972 to try to derail the freight train of liberalism that was gaining speed toward its destination of government-run everything, paid for with big tax bills and record debt," Helms wrote in his 2005 memoir, "Here's Where I Stand."
"My goal, when my wife, Dot, and I decided I would run, was to stick to my principles and stand up for conservative ideals."
Helms' ideals were forged in the Union County town of Monroe, where his father served as police chief. "Big Jesse" Helms raised his son in a strict family base on the Baptist faith and law-and-order principles. "When he said 'smile,' I smiled," the younger Helms later recalled.
A state champion tuba player in high school, Helms briefly attending both Wingate Junior College and Wake Forest College before dropping out to begin a career in journalism. He met his future wife, Dorothy Coble, while working at The News & Observer in Raleigh. During World War II, he enlisted in the Navy and served as a recruiter before returning to the newspaper business after the war.
Building a base
Helms got his first taste of life in Washington, D.C., in 1950, when he worked on the U.S. Senate campaign of segregationist Democratic candidate Willis Smith against the more moderate Frank Porter Graham and served as Smith's assistant after the election. But when Smith died three years later, Helms returned to Raleigh and became executive director of the North Carolina Bankers Association. He won his first public office in 1957, serving one term on the Raleigh City Council, where he became known as a feisty and tight-fisted budget guardian.
In 1960, he moved to the executive offices of Capitol Broadcasting Co., the parent of WRAL, and he developed a strong following across eastern North Carolina over the next decade by appearing in editorials that ran at the end of each night's evening newscast. The editorials blended folksy anecdotes with conservative viewpoints that blasted the federal government, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and other entities he viewed as too liberal. In one noted editorial, he suggested building a wall around the UNC campus, which he called the "University of Negroes and Communists," so that its liberal sentiments could be contained.
Using the name recognition and conservative base he built through the on-air editorials, Helms ran for the U.S. Senate in 1972. He had switched to the Republican Party two years earlier out of frustration with the Democratic Party's stance on civil rights, and President Richard Nixon's landslide win helped propel him to a victory over Congressman Nick Galifianakis of Durham, making Helms the first Republican senator from North Carolina in the 20th century.
In the following three decades, Helms beat back campaigns of former Gov. Jim Hunt and former Charlotte Mayor Harvey Gantt, among others, to hold onto his Senate seat. But he was accused of using racial politics to secure narrow victories. In the 1990 campaign against Gantt, for example, a Helms television ad showed a white man's hands crumpling a rejection notice from a company that had used an affirmative action program to hire a black job candidate.
Divisive politics
His views on race relations – he opposed a national holiday honoring slain civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr., led a filibuster against the extension of the Voting Rights Act and called some young blacks "Negro hoodlums" – and social issues sharply divided the public into those who viewed him as a champion of the common man and those who thought of him as a narrow-minded bigot.
David Broder, a widely respected political columnist for The Washington Post, called Helms "the last prominent unabashed white racist politician in this country."
"What is unique about Helms – and from my viewpoint, unforgivable – is his willingness to pick at the scab of the great wound of American history, the legacy of slavery and segregation, and to inflame racial resentment against African Americans," Broder wrote shortly after Helms announced that he wouldn't seek re-election in 2002.
Helms acknowledged his polarizing character, saying famed ventriloquist dummy Mortimer Snerd could run as the Democratic candidate for Senate against him and garner 45 percent of the vote.
"I wasn't interested in a popularity contest and surely didn't care about anything the big newspapers called me," he said. "I saw how they constantly ridiculed conservative ideas and conservative people."
In his early years in office, Helms chaired the Senate Agriculture Committee, providing critical support for North Carolina's tobacco industry. When the Republicans gained control of Congress after the 1994 elections, he gained control of the powerful Senate Foreign Relations Committee, where he became a vocal critic of the former Soviet Union, China and Cuba and a strong advocate of anti-communist – and sometimes repressive – regimes in Latin America and Asia.
He also used his clout on the committee to push for reform of the United Nations, block payment of UN dues by the United States and oppose Democratic-sponsored foreign aid packages and trade deals. The recalcitrant stance he took on many issues garnered him the nickname "Senator No," which only delighted him. "The Raleigh News & Observer dubbed me 'Senator No.' It wasn't meant as a compliment, but I certainly took it as one. There was plenty to stand up and say no to during my first of five terms representing the people of North Carolina," he said.
Other senators weren't as appreciative of his legislative style, and they often returned the favor by opposing bills he sponsored. Hedrick Smith, the Washington correspondent for The New York Times, called Helms' strategy "porcupine power," noting he tried to accomplish as much as possible by being prickly. Others noted he could use Southern manners to disarm opponents.
"Jesse Helms was the kindest, most infuriating, politest, most aggravating and nicest politician I had to deal with in the United States Senate," former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright said in a 2001 interview.
Move to the right
Helms' role as standard bearer for the conservative movement is his most lasting legacy in state and national politics. His switch to the Republican Party in 1970 paved the way for many politicians across North Carolina to follow suit, eventually ending decades of one-party control in state and local government.
After the Watergate scandal, he jumped into the GOP vacuum in Washington and began to reshape the Republican Party in his conservative image. With a cadre of young, bright activists at his side, he formed a the National Congressional Club and other committees across the country, soliciting small donations through direct-mail pitches to thousands of people and creating a fundraising machine for the conservative cause and GOP candidates.
The machine helped oust North Carolina Democrats Robert Morgan and Terry Sanford from the U.S. Senate, replacing them with conservative Republicans John East and Lauch Faircloth, respectively.
"We'll never forget how he battled, especially during those first lonely years, to protect our liberties, preserve our family values and keep America strong. There he was, standing day after day to a government Goliath, crying out like a voice in the wilderness," former President Ronald Reagan said in a 1983 speech. "Bit by bit, he became more than a lonely crusader. He grew into a lionhearted leader of a great and growing army."
Many political observers credit Helms' support for catapulting Reagan to the presidency in 1980 and accelerating the conservative agenda – cutting taxes at home, fighting communism abroad and opposing many government social programs – at the national level. He also served as Reagan's right flank for years, allowing the president to make political compromises as needed. "(I decided to) stay to the right of the president's right and make it easier for Reagan to be Reagan," Helms wrote in his memoir.
Holding down the far right of U.S. politics made Helms a foil for the media and liberal activists in a growing culture war as the conservative movement expanded. He was so outspoken in his opposition to art he considered offensive, federal funding for AIDS research and women's issues like legalized abortion that he helped Democrats raise millions of dollars to support candidates who backed those causes.
"Most North Carolinians are not as conservative as Jesse Helms," state Sen. Paul Luebke, D-Durham, said in a 1995 interview. "But by presenting himself as a man of courage, willing to stand up against 'tax-and-spend liberals,' homosexuality and so forth, Helms commands respect."
End of an era
In August 2001, Helms announced he wouldn't seek a sixth term in the Senate. A series of health problems, from knee replacement surgery to prostate cancer to a heart bypass, had worn him down to the point where he needed a motorized scooter to navigate the halls of Congress.
He had earlier designated Wingate University, which allowed him to pursue higher education, as the recipient of his official papers. But he rejected the notion of a "dusty museum" and instead supported the university's creation of the Jesse Helms Center. The nonprofit foundation continues to espouse the political principles of its namesake, educating students, teachers and others on subjects like foreign policy, free enterprise and the Bill of Rights.
Helms and his wife spent his final years quietly in Raleigh, although he continued to follow politics and endorsed several candidates, including his granddaughter, Jennifer Knox, who won a District Court judgeship in Wake County in 2004.
"It has always been my contention," he wrote in his memoir, "that there is no sense in being in office if you don't have the courage to do what is right, even if it is the most unpopular position in the world."
http://www.wral.com/news/local/politics/story/1755723/
To the OP if you ever return: He was a Baptist and knew Proverbs 4:1, 3:1-2 and 9:11
Hear, my son, and receive my sayings,
And the years of your life will be many.
My son, do not forget my teaching,
but keep my commands in your heart, for they will prolong your life many years
and bring you prosperity.
For through me your days will be many,
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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:44:13 AM |
His comments about blacks had to do with certain blacks that were and are leftists and anti-American, like the Obama's Reverend Wright.
Okey dokey. There are bits from your own post that negate this.... NOT that there's much point to debating Helms's legacy as if it matters to modern politics (he's been politically irrelevant for a while), but let's not sugar coat it either.... The man filibustered in an attempt to prevent the Voting Rights Act of 1964. He was racist through and through. The fact that he also hated communists doesn't mitigate that fact, and it CERTAINLY doesn't make his racism less villainous--yes, I'm sure he hated black commies more than anyone...but he also hated blacks whether they were commies or not (and commies whether they were black or not). That's why I would love to see his death as a GOODBYE... Those who want to try to valorize him as some kind of warm sweetie can try all they want, but whatever you want to make of him, you can't make him into something he wasn't.... | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 5:30:34 AM | Quote's by helm's
Aids
"There is not one single case of AIDS in this country that
cannot be traced in origin to sodomy."
(States News Service, 5/17/88)
Bill Clinton
Bill Clinton "better watch out if he comes down here
[to North Carolina]. He'd better have a bodyguard."
-stated by Jesse Helms in regards to Clinton's
supposive unpopularity with the North Carolina military.
According to Helms (and refuted by military personnel),
the military was likely to shoot Clinton if he came to
North Carolina.
Caveman
I've been portrayed as a caveman by some. That's not true.
I'm a conservative progressive, and that means I think all men
are equal, be they slants, beaners or s.
Jesse Helms, North Carolina Progressive, February 6, 1985,
quoted from the Democratic Alliance, "Yes, They Really Said It!"
Dan Quayle
"...in the l8 years and 5 months I've been in the senate, none, none
have been more capable than Dan Quayle."
Latins
"All Latins are volatile people. Hence, I was not surprised at the
volatile reaction." stated by Helms after Mexicans protested his
visit to Mexico in 1986 to investigate allegations of political
corruption.
Helms was investigating as to whether or not there might be communists
in Mexico)
Negro
"To rob the Negro of his reputation of thinking through a problem
in his own fashion is about the same as trying to pretend that he
doesn't have a natural instinct for rhythm and for
singing and dancing."
"The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint
that's thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic,
and interfere with other men's rights."
When a caller to CNN's Larry King Live show praised guest
Jesse Helms for "everything you've done to help keep
down the s," Helms' response was to salute the camera
and say, "Well, thank you, I think."
(Wilmington Star-News, 9/16/95)
New York Times and The Washington Post
"The New York Times and The Washington Post are both infested
with homosexuals themselves."
The Post, he charged, "caters to homosexual groups.
Just about every person down there is homosexual or lesbian,"
Metric System
If God had wanted us to use the metric system,
Jesus would have had 10 apostles.
Tax Dollars
"Your tax dollars are being used to pay for grade school
classes that teach our children that
CANNIBALISM, WIFE-SWAPPING, and the MURDER
of infants and the elderly are acceptable behavior. ''
Part of the text of a fundraising mailer sent out by the
Helms campaign.
University of North Carolina (UNC)
"University of Negroes and Communists".
Adios
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Posted: 7/6/2008 5:48:06 AM |
Jesse Helms was never known to be abusive to any person
.Helms once deeply offended a black colleague, Democratic Senator Carol Moseley-Braun of Illinois, by singing part of "Dixie" on a Capitol elevator.
Soon after the Senate vote on the Confederate flag insignia, Sen. Jesse Helms (R.-N.C.) ran into Mosely-Braun in a Capitol elevator. Helms turned to his friend, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R.-Utah), and said, "Watch me make her cry. I'm going to make her cry. I'm going to sing 'Dixie' until she cries." He then proceeded to sing the song about "the good life" during slavery to Mosely-Braun (Gannett News Service, 1993-09-02; Time, 1993-08-16).
What a saint.
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Posted: 7/6/2008 7:11:56 AM | Padwan,
It is racist, but sometimes we need to discuss it. That allows us to heal. African American started as Republicans, then during the Civil Rights era when the dixiecrats moved over to the republican group, they moved over to the democrats.
Frederick Douglas and Abraham Lincoln were republicans. People like Jesse helped many minorities move over to the democratic party. The question is was it right or wrong?
I think it is time that we discuss race relations in this country. At least on a forum you can feel safe because it is not face to face. I feel nothing with Jesse dying. It signifies the ending of a very sad, yet triumphant time in American history.
If he sang dixie in the elevator and I had been standing in there, I might have sang along. Maybe, by the end of his life he had things together. We will never know.
Once again the end of one era and the bright beginning of another.
Have a blessed day! | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 8:11:33 AM | | One more time........calling this DEAD, racist, segregationist bigot a racist isn't racism. It's the simple truth. That was his crime against humanity for which he NEVER apologized. He was a bigot and used the same sad, lame excuses of the time to justify it. His history was bleached by the media when he retired and now his obits are. Those of us who had dads that idolized Helms remember him very, very well. He can sort it out with the Higher Power of his choice now... | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 9:05:58 AM | Helms was certainly a key to the Repugs' racist, black-baiting appeal to southern Democrats, starting with Nixon's Souther Strategy, when the southern Dems finally had a couple coins to rub together in 70s (Rise of the New South), when the Dems began to be Repug "haves" rather than Dem "have-nots".
That Repug line is very clear: Repug = anti-black (and now anti-brown), except when a Repug businessman is exploiting low-paid blacks and browns.
To NC's credit, Helms never won more that 55% of the NC vote, and was a very divisive figure in his own state. To NC's discredit, Helms represented NC, over and over and over.
Dying never sanctified anyone, esp not an aggressive, obstructionist, life-long racist like Helms. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 9:19:57 AM | I agree, well said.
I lived in NC for awhile. I was always treated nicely by strangers. I got pulled over once, and the officer asked why I drove so far to pull over. He was shocked that I said I was looking for a place to pull over where he wouldn't be in harm's way. I thought it was odd that you were just suppose to pull over in the street. Different mentality.
People like Helms are dinosaurs. We don't morn the loss of the dinos, because we couldn't exist if they were still here. I don't morn the loss of people like Helms, because he made it difficult for progressive thought to flourish. He did not exibit Christian behavior, so he is not going to go up. He sealed his fate long ago. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 10:33:10 AM | | Hopefully, there will be fewer and fewer of Jesse Helms' ilk as its generation passes. I agree with Exodus above that Helms was definitely not Christ-like in its behavior. My only words I would have to say about Helms, "GOOD RIDDANCE!" | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 11:00:16 AM | | I hope the liberals are just as vocal when Robert Byrd dies. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:27:50 PM | Byrd was a member of the KKK as a youth, seeking a place of acceptance. He realized, as he matured (in his early 20s) that this wasn't the way. He was a leader in civil rights and my guess is that he earned forgiveness. However, I am not African~American, so I don't know how that community feels.
Helms had no redeeming qualities. There's no weekend of remembrence like when Russert died, or when even when Nixon Died. No, he made his bed. . . | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:45:17 PM | Helms had no redeeming qualities. There's no weekend of remembrence like when Russert died, or when even when Nixon Died. No, he made his bed. .
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Agreed. But I think most democrats give Byrd a free pass as far as his KKK affiliation goes.
*- Unless you have documentary evidence including a doctor's note you can send me (you don't have one I guarantee it) that provides evidence of mass mind reading of Democrats and or Republicans, I would refrain from making such a statement unless accompanied by articles from a scientific journal containing accurate poll numbers. The grace period on my pointing out these rules is approaching the end after which there will be no warning. -TheMadFiddler-*
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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:55:45 PM | Perhaps.
I guess the difference comes with recognition and atonement. We all make mistakes. I've made my share too. I made a racist comment when I was a teen, trying to fit in with the redneck crowd I was around. I had just moved and was alone. Ironically, a really large African~American was standing behind me, he said "what did you say?" I said I was sorry, it was the last time I ever said anything racist. He could have easily kicked my ass, but he took pity on the small white kid trying to fit in. I owe him for the respect he gave me, despite not showing any to him. I am glad that happened to me. I pride myself on my lack of bias.
I don't know if Byrd is forgiven by people of color, but it seems his life has been lived in contradiction to the early error in his ways. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 1:01:04 PM |
I hope the liberals are just as vocal when Robert Byrd dies.
Byrd's endorsement (of obama) carries some symbolism beyond just his lengthy tenure. As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Byrd was once a member of the Ku Klux Klan; indeed, in the early 1940s, he was a leader of his local chapter. He has spent many years since apologizing for his membership in the Klan: In 2005, he said, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."
Helms filibustered MLK day in 1983. We're not exactly talking the 40's anymore are we? | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 2:20:41 PM | | Helms helped the Carolinas tremendously. So much so that Charlotte became the second banking center in the country, Boston lost that rank. Many blacks from the northeast have come to the Carolinas because of the fast growth and due to the constant hidden bigotry that still exists in the so-called blue states. In fact, because of Jesse Helms, all of the south has beaten the blues states in progress, racism, growth, jobs and in industries since the south left the Democrat party. Capitalism thrives more so in the south. Unfortunately, many Democrat policies still exist in the Carolinas but the few Democrats in office are on their toes singing that they are not tax and spend but rather conservative Democrats. Governor Easley is an example. John Edwards was elected in the senate because he lied about not being a radical Democrat. Good thing he wanted to be President, his true colors surfaced, so did his beautiful hair and effeminate manner. Jesse Helms was indeed good for North Carolina and the rest of the country. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 2:33:20 PM |
Helms helped the Carolinas tremendously. So much so that Charlotte became the second banking center in the country, Boston lost that rank. Many blacks from the northeast have come to the Carolinas because of the fast growth and due to the constant hidden bigotry that still exists in the so-called blue states. In fact, because of Jesse Helms, all of the south has beaten the blues states in progress, racism, growth, jobs and in industries since the south left the Democrat party. Capitalism thrives more so in the south. Unfortunately, many Democrat policies still exist in the Carolinas but the few Democrats in office are on their toes singing that they are not tax and spend but rather conservative Democrats. Governor Easley is an example. John Edwards was elected in the senate because he lied about not being a radical Democrat. Good thing he wanted to be President, his true colors surfaced, so did his beautiful hair and effeminate manner. Jesse Helms was indeed good for North Carolina and the rest of the country.
North Carolina is below average on an entire host of indicators.
http://www.statemaster.com/state/NC-north-carolina/eco-economy
12th worst state for families below poverty level.
11th worst for children below poverty level.
41st in ranking for male income.
44th for female income.
26th for tax rates.
and mediocre for unemployment rates.
and 14th for crime rate per capita.
Anyway, North Carolina could be a freaking utopia (which it obviously isn't) and it wouldn't excuse this horrible mans statements about the African American community. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 5:48:27 PM | Helms never apologized for its evil behavior. Byrd restored his honor by apologizing profusely and being willing to apologize time and time again. It is apparent that Byrd is deeply remorseful for the error of his ways as a young man. It says a lot about a man who is willing to change to be a better person, and I have to respect that.
Helms on the other hand had absolutely NO sense of honor or decency. It never behaved in a respectable manner, that I could see, and it is better off forgotten about. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 7:34:09 PM | Morning Helm's passing is as sacriligeous as the media saying ( after his surgery recently where the world thought he was goiong to die) that Teddy Kennedy is a honerable American who served his country unfailingly and with dignaty. Did they forget about Chapaquitic and so many other Kennedy arm twisting and breaking? Kennedy is a PIG and a bruise on the democratic party as well as the democratic process. Helm's was no different. One of u were right on the mark. Helm's made no apologies, took his f'd up beliefs all the way to the grave with him and all I can hope is he will never see those pearly gates some people believe in.
I'm a proud liberal and Democrat, but I also know when to draw the line on bad people. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 7:39:48 PM | The man filibustered in an attempt to prevent the Voting Rights Act of 1964.
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He was not in the Senate in 1964. He came in in 1973.
North Carolina is below average on an entire host of indicators.
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Getting North Carolina confused with Ontario is not funny. North Carolina has always been doing well along with all 50 states and Puerto Rico. As it was posted by the lovely and attractive girl on page one, it's GDP is comparable to Sweden as Canada's GDP is comparable to that of Texas. These state to state statistics do a good job comparing gold to platinum. It helps some people decide where to move. Most ignore them since they are baseless in the area of crime, jobs and pay. They do help if one wants to move to Detroit, Chicago or Philadelphia for example. And still, one find great careers, homes and leisure in these cities.
Americans relocate all the time. Many from nearby Florida for example are here because pay is better and schools for their children are better. Yet that does not mean Florida is in the crap-hole. I know since I am play in Florida often. I myself left Indiana because to me it's better here. Indiana is still a great place so is Florida. Many are here from all over the country because to them, it's better. Jesse Helms was never in the KKK like Byrd. Byrd left the KKK and Helms left the Democrat party. Byrd cries in public, Helms did not. And Bigotry is alive and well all over the world. It was here before Helms and will be after his passing. A real racist would not have supported the confirmation of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court. Blacks are the only racists left in America is a common statement I kept hearing in Indiana, Illinois and Minnesota, and still do when I visit. I do not agree. Not all blacks are like Al Sharpton, Jeremiah Wright and Jesse Jackson.
Jesse Helms uncompromising conservatism made him one of America's leading crusaders against communism, liberalism, tax increases, abortion, homosexuality, affirmative action and court-ordered busing to integrate schools. He was unafraid to take unpopular stands in challenging the political establishment.
Helms was a shrewd and powerful politician who won election to five terms in the Senate, beginning in 1972. Sometimes called the patron saint of the new right, he developed a national following and he helped set the nation's conservative social agenda. He was a superb political organizer and fundraiser whose early support for Ronald Reagan helped secure a Republican ascendancy that has lasted more than 25 years.
Helms was effective at highlighting issues that would provoke the media and raise the passions of his constituents. He appealed to white, blue-collar, middle-class Americans who rallied to his championing of what he considered the timeless Main Street values of religion and family.
He supported prayer in public schools, free enterprise, a strong military, a balanced budget and what he called "decency, honor and spiritual and moral cleanliness in America."
To his opponents, Helms was divisive, mean-spirited and race-baiting, as if they are not. Helms drew wide ranging national support, and derision, for his attacks on the National Endowment for the Arts after it funded works by artists like Mapplethorpe and Serrano, considered homoerotic and anti-Christian. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 8:54:58 PM |
Getting North Carolina confused with Ontario is not funny.
that doesn't make sense in a state ranking, but I guess that was a lame attempt at making a dig at a province I don't even live in.
North Carolina has always been doing well along with all 50 states and Puerto Rico.
This thread isn't about a USA vs Canada fight, but I have news, you guys haven't been doing so hot lately.
As it was posted by the lovely and attractive girl on page one, it's GDP is comparable to Sweden as Canada's GDP is comparable to that of Texas. These state to state statistics do a good job comparing gold to platinum. It helps some people decide where to move. Most ignore them since they are baseless in the area of crime, jobs and pay. They do help if one wants to move to Detroit, Chicago or Philadelphia for example. And still, one find great careers, homes and leisure in these cities.
You seemed to have lost your original point in this entire discussion, remember you claimed that Helms was so great because he made North Carolina great, now you seem confused and are discussing the USA overall, well North Carolina is hardly a stand out state in the Union, so your argument that Helms somehow is vindicated by economics falls flat on it face.
Americans relocate all the time. Many from nearby Florida for example are here because pay is better and schools for their children are better. Yet that does not mean Florida is in the crap-hole. Missing the point...
I know since I am play in Florida often. I myself left Indiana because to me it's better here. Indiana is still a great place so is Florida.
Still missing the point...
Many are here from all over the country because to them, it's better. Jesse Helms was never in the KKK like Byrd.
No just his aid, and he himself repeatedly made statements that were KKK in nature.
Byrd left the KKK Yup and apologized repeatedly and regrets it.
and Helms left the Democrat party. Along with some prominent Democratic racists. Such as Strom Thurmond who ran on a segregationist platform.
Byrd cries in public, Helms did not. And Bigotry is alive and well all over the world.
Did you forget the point you were making?
It was here before Helms and will be after his passing.
Well yes, I don't see anybody claiming otherwise, but once again your point?
A real racist would not have supported the confirmation of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.
Did you miss some of his quotes? Are you claiming those are not the statements of a racist man?
Blacks are the only racists left in America is a common statement I kept hearing in Indiana, Illinois and Minnesota, and still do when I visit. I do not agree. Not all blacks are like Al Sharpton, Jeremiah Wright and Jesse Jackson.
Oh I get it, if a black man is aware of racism, he is a racist, meanwhile you don't believe whites are racist (because you didn't agree with that part of the statement)
elms was a shrewd and powerful politician who won election to five terms in the Senate, beginning in 1972. Sometimes called the patron saint of the new right, he developed a national following and he helped set the nation's conservative social agenda. He was a superb political organizer and fundraiser whose early support for Ronald Reagan helped secure a Republican ascendancy that has lasted more than 25 years.
Helms was effective at highlighting issues that would provoke the media and raise the passions of his constituents. He appealed to white, blue-collar, middle-class Americans who rallied to his championing of what he considered the timeless Main Street values of religion and family.
He supported prayer in public schools, free enterprise, a strong military, a balanced budget and what he called "decency, honor and spiritual and moral cleanliness in America."
To his opponents, Helms was divisive, mean-spirited and race-baiting, as if they are not. Helms drew wide ranging national support, and derision, for his attacks on the National Endowment for the Arts after it funded works by artists like Mapplethorpe and Serrano, considered homoerotic and anti-Christian.
Nobody likes a plagiarizer!
http://www.theledger.com/article/20080705/news/807050415 | |
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| Helms Dies
Posted: 7/6/2008 9:48:38 PM |
He was not in the Senate in 1964. He came in in 1973.
My bad. Sorry. | |
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| Helms Dies
Posted: 7/6/2008 10:00:37 PM | You know, I said this when Ted Kennedy was diagnosed with Brain Cancer and I'll say it every time that something like this happens.
Like his policies and his viewpoints or not, this man decided to stand up and serve his country. And for that he deserves respect just like any person who has decided to serve their nation. I think we should thank him for his service and what he has done, and while we may think that he was completely and totally off base, he still deserves respect.
As a previous poster said, there is a special circle in hell to those who disrespect those who have passed. | |
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| Helms Dies
Posted: 7/6/2008 10:01:30 PM | | No worries, an insignificant life, who cares if it was 1960 or 2000, he won't be missed. | |
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