| girls who only date guys with a bach degree and nothing less-discussion with ex and his friends
Posted: 7/8/2008 6:16:47 PM | It's one thing to want an intelligent man. there are also plenty of of intelligent people without academic degrees and plenty of dumb asses with degrees. This situation reeks of women looking for men to "take care" of them financially - not my cup of tea nor do I want to hook up with a man who has now seen the "light" but still has this life sentence (once known as once a trophy something) attached to him financially and emotionally.
I really don't no longer give two bits about stuff like this. It seems like there's a lid for every pot. So long as all these lids and pots don't come back on here complaining that he's controlling or she's a gold digger... | |
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isoU
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Joined: 6/15/2008
Msg: 31 | |
| girls who only date guys with a bach degree and nothing less-discussion with ex and his friends
Posted: 7/8/2008 10:41:26 PM | Well when they are single and in their 30's ... they might adjust their parameters. I think a lot of guys would like to date gorgeous women. All married couples settle ... Most single ppl just grown bitter due their own delusional fantasies.
Women have about 10 years of quality mate selection ... How they choose to utilize that opportunity is their purgative.
Women sell Men buy been like that since the beginning of time will be like that at the end. | |
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| girls who only date guys with a bach degree and nothing less-discussion with ex and his friends
Posted: 7/9/2008 1:07:45 PM | It sounds like she is trying to impress her family or friends. I can tell you that the paper does no reflect who you are. I made it to 29 without even having a high school diploma (rough life) and legally made up to $3000/week. I now hold 2 degrees and am a 4th-year medical student. I am the same person.
The paper does not make you rich, smarter, or a better person - just formally educated. | |
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| girls who only date guys with a bach degree and nothing less-discussion with ex and his friends
Posted: 7/11/2008 12:37:11 PM | OP, we can argue that those women are being "materialistic". On another hand, it's no secret that asians (and asian girls were mentioned) are usually score very high on all educational measurements, they are raised to strive for good education and value it. Could it be that they just simply want someone who's equal in that area? If a lady was busting her backside studying, being an A+ student and getting a scholarship to a good school, while her {hypothetical} peers were playing games and just barely got through high school and never any further .. why shouldn't she look for a man who is (somewhat) equally driven?
In all our political correctness, we can repeat like parrots that "{fill in the blank here} should not matter - you should look for the person inside". However in reality all those things (education, income, health, lifestyle, looks, aspirations - you name it) DO matter. Come on.
Maybe some people have tried in the past to date someone because they were a good person but not similar at all in education/social/employment/aspirations areas. Lesson learned - more often than not, it does not work. So maybe these "requirements" are not set out of snobbishness or materialism. Maybe people simply (from experience) know what works for them and what does not. Anything wrong with that? I think it's commendable - no misleading anyone.
Just my 2 cents... | |
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| girls who only date guys with a bach degree and nothing less-discussion with ex and his friends
Posted: 7/11/2008 12:55:44 PM |
OP, we can argue that those women are being "materialistic". On another hand, it's no secret that asians (and asian girls were mentioned) are usually score very high on all educational measurements, they are raised to strive for good education and value it. Could it be that they just simply want someone who's equal in that area? If a lady was busting her backside studying, being an A+ student and getting a scholarship to a good school, while her {hypothetical} peers were playing games and just barely got through high school and never any further .. why shouldn't she look for a man who is (somewhat) equally driven?
You got it, asian women tend have to have university degrees. Girls coming right out of Asia tend to be a lot smarter than from here on the whole. They have to be, for example in south korea it is not enough to get good marks. One has to compete to get into university since there limited amounts of seats available. Plus the parents expect the girls to find well educated men. I don't really care for asian women myself, reminds me too much of my sisters usually lol | |
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Joined: 1/11/2008
Msg: 35 | |
| girls who only date guys with a bach degree and nothing less-discussion with ex and his friends
Posted: 7/16/2008 10:04:59 PM | I know someone Mr. X who lives in a rich family, who has a Bachelor degree, who has multiple high paying job(s) at the same time, who is handsome, and who owns multiple houses in Vancouver. But, Mr. X still isn't married and still isn't in a relationship. Mr. X is very picky.
I disagree that the fields "comp sci, CA, lawyer, pharmacy" make a lot of money, if we consider the cost of living in Vancouver, BC. I believe that it doesn't matter what education you have in order to earn a lot of income in Vancouver, BC. | |
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| girls who only date guys with a bach degree and nothing less-discussion with ex and his friends
Posted: 7/16/2008 10:20:29 PM | I suspect at your age and considering that the Asian culture even in B.C. or the U.S. is different than mainstream or other ethnic cultures, that this issue is more about pleasing the parents and doing what their parents have taught them will ensure a happy life than what they really want for themselves. Many ethnic groups encourage their children to marry within that ethnic group and I recall my professor in college, whose best from was Japanese. He was like a second son to the family, until he showed interest in their daughter. He was unacceptable because he was Chinese.
They are too young to have encountered the degreed individual that cannot get anywhere because he is not smart enough or motivated enough to do so, or just flat out a fuck up. They have also not met the men that have had the high-powered career (women too) and found that if they are going to spend that much time at work they should enjoy what they are doing and have wound up in jobs that pay less or might even pay more but involve some type of physical labor.
I know a guy that was a dentist. His wife left him because he didn't want to live in the ritzy part of Dallas anymore and he wanted to go into landscaping. He now earns $150,000 a month on a BAD month, which is a hell of a lot more than he ever made pulling teeth, but her sole reason for not wanting to be with him was that he would no longer have a job that held status.
If these women have these attitudes, I would suggest that your degreed male friends stay away from them because if nothing else, they are probably not going to break from their families the way they should when they do have a serious relationship. And you know, it is like anything else, they find out immediately that they are incompatible instead of several months down the road, not a bad thing. | |
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| girls who only date guys with a bach degree and nothing less-discussion with ex and his friends
Posted: 7/16/2008 11:10:04 PM | | I do rather enjoy dating guys with the same level of education as myself (University/College). It makes things much more fun if the guy I'm seeing can carry on a conversation with me. I've never had anything against men with high school (or not even that), but it seems that every guy I date with a lesser education than myself seems to try to compete with me in other ways. They are also normally very hard to talk to about things that interest me (politics, social structures, anthropology. science)... They usually just stare blankly at me, I'm sure its like this for others as well. But for the most part, the guys with a lesser education can make the same amount of money (if not more) than guys with an education. Stability is never a problem there!! | |
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| girls who only date guys with a bach degree and nothing less-discussion with ex and his friends
Posted: 7/16/2008 11:50:15 PM | The difference between you and the girls the guys were complaining about is that you have given and apparently will continue to give the guys a chance with or without the education. I suspect that if you ever get to the point that you do use education as a criteria you will also not be looking for a particular degree or even the school, or perhaps even someone that went to college but for whatever reason, never finished.
I think what these guys were getting at is the feeling that these women would never "date down" and the attitude is not borne of bad experiences with people that do not have an education which in your case would justify you looking for men with a degree but not excluding men without a degree from consideration. | |
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| girls who only date guys with a bach degree and nothing less-discussion with ex and his friends
Posted: 7/17/2008 12:37:05 PM | SHUDDER - I feel sorry for any guy who ends up with someone like this !
These women don't have souls if this is how they seek " love " .
Agreed! Ugh! I don't think I would want to associate with people that judge people in this manner. Even as someone who is working towards a bachelors degree, holding a credential doesn't necessarily mean you're intelligent (one can be good at school, and still be pretty unintelligent, as others have said), and not having one doesn't mean you're not either. There are plenty of smart, intelligent folks who don't have degrees or anything. My dad for example, is an auto mechanic and he's a pretty intelligent guy.
I certainly would never want to date one of these gold digging, status seeking, princess-types. | |
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Joined: 7/15/2008
Msg: 42 | |
| girls who only date guys with a bach degree and nothing less-discussion with ex and his friends
Posted: 7/19/2008 10:41:12 AM | If a person has a better education than another, it does not mean they are more intelligent, nor does it mean they will be successful in life and bring in more 'bacon' than people that are less educated . It may increase their chances but does not guarantee it. I also met many nitwitted undergraduate and graduates. Quite frankly, I have know idea how some of them got their degrees. lol
Bill Gates finally got his college degree last year but it was an honary degree. Out of my high school graduating class, the most successful ones, the millionaires(not through lottery winnings nor inheritance), did not have a 4 year college/university degree or higher.
Some women want someone with a bachelor degree or higher merely for social status. Like other qualities that they are looking for in a guy, to each their own. | |
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| girls who only date guys with a bach degree and nothing less-discussion with ex and his friends
Posted: 7/19/2008 4:19:27 PM |
I don't hold it against them for having an evolutionary need to seek a worthy provider
What evolutionary need is this? Providing or taking care of are roles that were shared equally in every hunter gatherer society with men hunting for meat and women gathering fruits and vegetables and plants. Plus most societies had women either hunting alongside men as well or helping men hunt in other ways. People need to do their research before saying that women have this need when evolutionary men ,women, and even dogs have it.
Actually I was thinking that those women are going to be single for a very long time.
No. These Asian women will end up taking care of some white man. | |
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| girls who only date guys with a bach degree and nothing less-discussion with ex and his friends
Posted: 7/19/2008 4:39:12 PM | Sure, this happens all the time, and there are plenty of women on POF whos profiles have similar prerequisites that a guy must have, some say it very openly, and they are surely not all asian. I've seen profiles on here from every race saying about the same thing.
Now i see several women posting race / nationality replies, but i'm going to guess probably your girlfriends are children of immigrants born here in the US, so we should just look at them as americans.
If your girlfriends have all these things they demand a guy to have, , the degrees from the same schools, the house, car, family has $$$, more power to them. However, if they don't, and the guys even think they're only dating $$$ men, and word gets around fast, then the guys will be playing your friends for sex, and dump them flat on their a$$es. You see, it's all about attitude, if your friends are going after these guys because they somehow have decided they deserve it and are going to get it the easy way, most of these guys are very adept at playing the game. I've known more than a few women of several nationalities that went after guys because they had $$$ , not one of them got much other than sexed. | |
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jet_45
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Joined: 6/21/2008
Msg: 47 | |
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| girls who only date guys with a bach degree and nothing less-discussion with ex and his friends
Posted: 7/19/2008 5:03:18 PM | OK...First off. Education creates the potential to live a better life without having to wear out or break your body. I have always been smart but education in my earlier years was financially out of my reach as I came from single income family run on a low wage. As a result I wasted too many years slogging my way through the stressful world of making ends meet and not being able to do all the things I wanted to do. Unfortunately despite my smarts successful people didn't see me as dating material because I lacked the polish and power one can get from an education. I didn't get it then - but I certainly get it now.
I will explain the best I can but I am sure to be crucified.
Eventually I borrowed money and got as much education as I could afford and it raised my living standards considerably. For that I am glad I took the plunge. My education gave me more than work skills. It gave me life skills, confidence, and the power to live life as I prefer. I will never have to work a crap job for a crap wage ever again. It is natural that I would seek someone who at least matches me with that potential so I don't have to drop my living standards to be in a relationship with someone who is a low wage earner. I am comfortable now...and I would like to remain in this state.
Sure blue collar boys can make good money too - but I have yet to meet one who isnt "rough around the edges" and more into beer and sports than he is into the things that interest me.
Educated men seem to be more on my wave-length.
Education isnt an indicator of intelligence but for many reasons it does open a lot of doors in the world...and some women recognize that.
Women also have a financial weakness.
It's called pregnancy. Sometimes planned. Sometimes accidental.
This pulls them out of the workforce for a bit.
Women want their children to have the best life possible.
If I was a man and my partner accidentally got pregnant and we had to be a single income family I could make it work during the formative yrs. Why? Because my education opens me up to higher paying jobs than when I was uneducated. I can ensure an environment where our child can be raised both personally and properly. ..and in far more comfort than if I had a minimum wage job or had to be gone all the time working two jobs. Once my partner returns to the workforce and starts bringing in their higher educated wage again we can afford the clubs and interests that the child develops as it grows...and most importantly - we can afford to send that child to college to follow whatever dream it has.
At the end of the day, I dont think its about gold digging. Its about security. Its about how expensive life is and how hard it is to give our children the best they deserve. Bling is icing on the cake but not the main motivator.
One more point about university. Stats indicate there are significantly more women attending and completing university than men. And those women are looking for intellectual and financial equals... | |
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| girls who only date guys with a bach degree and nothing less-discussion with ex and his friends
Posted: 7/19/2008 5:47:15 PM | | Most American men who I talked first asked me how I could pay my bills when they were interested in talking to me; many only wanted to have a friendship with beinfits that was also called a long-term because they don't want to be responsible in a relationship. When I told them that I am a student, they closed the IM window as soon as possible. I believe that most American men want the same things from their women that Asian woman as well as American women want from their men...so don't complain about what Asian women want. | |
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| girls who only date guys with a bach degree and nothing less-discussion with ex and his friends
Posted: 7/19/2008 8:46:49 PM | I've always worked with a lot of men, since I'm in a predominantly male profession. I've always been in on all the gossip and the chit-chat. Know what? All those college grad men, when they were evaluating dates or mates, said exactly the same things: "I don't want someone with kids. I don't want somebody who is not a college grad. I only want a such-and-such. I don't want a woman with no money. I don't want one that doesn't work. Or that doesn't bring in at least $45k per year. She sure looks great, but when she opens her mouth, she's nothing but trailer trash. I won't date her; she's great to sleep with, but drinks like a fish; and is stupid, too. "
I've heard it all, for years. So don't give me any story about "shallow" women, lol. Men set their standards, too. I know how you guys think. ;-)
<div class='quote'> Sure blue collar boys can make good money too - but I have yet to meet one who isnt "rough around the edges" and more into beer and sports than he is into the things that interest me. Educated men seem to be more on my wave-length.
Yeppers, that's what I see here, too. You can add deer hunting to their interests, too.
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