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Posted: 7/10/2008 1:01:40 AM | There is already a Christian Community in Iraq!
And soon will be in Iran !!
In fact the christian Church of St. Mary in northwestern Iran is considered by some historians to be the second oldest church after the Church of Bethlehem in Palestine.
Built in 642 AD , it is a living monument that proves ethnic minorities and their culture
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| A question for ethnic minorities.?
Posted: 7/10/2008 2:14:36 AM | Troubles start when foreigners (or ignorant English) call all of us English or Great Britain...England. This infuriates many Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish people.
The use of the word English as a generic adjective for the whole of the UK is regarded as dismissive and denigratory by most inhabitants of the other three parts of the country, who are jealous of their historical status and regret what many see as the cultural and economic imperialism of England. This is accentuated by the capital’s position down in the bottom right-hand corner of England, which gives so many commentators, legislators and civil servants a skewed view of the country.
In part, this tendency to use England as an inclusive term is a relic of the time when the UK was indeed called England: Shakespeare’s “Cry ‘God for Harry! England and Saint George!’ ” was correct at the time. However, many have continued to use the term incorrectly until this century, particularly in poetic or elevated contexts. “England expects every man will do his duty” Nelson signalled, not “Britain expects ...”; “There’ll always be an England” comes from a much more recent conflict.
Yes, you have a point. The “English’ are losing their identity, You prefer chicken chow mein and Chicken Madras to fish and chips, you prefer foreign cars, foreign clothes, foreign electrical equipment, foreign holidays. I don’t think your ‘English’ is being lost through any minority group, more out of choice and self persecution. I hung a George cross (yes I am Welsh, but I wanted to show my support for the country I grew up in) outside my place during the world cup, the guy up the road hung a Brazilian flag, I got chatting to a Croatian about the football. It was only when another English guy came on to me and thought I was being racist. Told him to fcuk off. Sometimes I really do feel the ‘English’ act like spoilt children.
The sun has set on the ‘English’ Empire. Long live Great Britain | |
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| A question for ethnic minorities.?
Posted: 7/10/2008 2:40:59 AM | blah blah blah boring boring boring
haha i dont think our angel needs educating she is brill and fantastic - just like meeeee
miz understood all i have seen on this forum is you moaning and groaning about things no wonder you are single - get a life and lighten up | |
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| A question for ethnic minorities.?
Posted: 7/10/2008 3:10:45 AM | | Really, lol so says a single lady about another single lady. Yes lets reinvent the wheel, lets build a church in Iraq, see how they like it. | |
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| A question for ethnic minorities.?
Posted: 7/10/2008 4:10:28 AM | First of all - why do people feel the need to belittle others and try to make themselves out to be more intelligent - does that make their opinion more valid than others.
Surely it should be about debating views with out being personal - bacause regardless of race or nationality, intelligence or status we are all equal.
The original question is whether English or Brittish people felt they were losing their identity or culture. It was not meant racially I believe and I think we are all programmed to find racial comments everywhere and point the finger.
The post was niave in terms of vocab and they may not be aware of the difference between Brittish and English and the emotion that comes with peoples own National identity.
It comes back to education and the family environment - if we taught more about past traditions and cultures they would thrive and continue but we don't in schools they teach about other nations customs and religion and this makes us a more welcoming and understanding nation, also more tolerant of diversity though at the expense of our own past.
The majority of people in this country welcome immigrants as we have always done because it is vital for our economy and they have contributed to our society and made us richer as a nation - The back lash though is happening because of illegal immigration that is causing a strain on public spending and the introduction of the human rights laws. The human right laws on the face of it are great because of equality for all and everyone treated fairly - the reality is that they can be manipulated and allow a very small minority of Brittish Muslims to spout hurtfull and incitefull spite about the developed world and call them to arms.
You have to look at the past to understand why the English are not widely liked for their past arrogance and actions - but it is also what made England great.
We have one of the most diverse and welcoming cultures and it is trully a cosmopolitan
Nation and a mongrel population.
The debate is to important to be broken down and call people racist and thick for not understanding it - because if we don't talk openly and honestly only bad feeling will reamin between nations and parties like the bnp will become stronger and maybe even get into power- that would be disastrous. | |
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| A question for ethnic minorities.?
Posted: 7/10/2008 4:26:07 AM |
The original question is whether English or Brittish people felt they were losing their identity or culture.
Actually is wasn't, it was asked to ethnic minorities who have moved here, if they feel they have lost their culture by coming here.??
but for some reason that point was missed.? | |
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| A question for ethnic minorities.?
Posted: 7/10/2008 7:56:08 AM |
If there are any ethnic minority people here, I'd like to ask if you think that your own culture(s) will disappear in the future?
I wonder, throughout all the melee ( French word) of thic thread, if any ethnic minority person has posted at all..... ?..
Only 4% of the members on the site use the forums anyway, so there's not really much chance that many 'minorities' will see this (polarised) thread at all.
I understand the question though and what the OP is asking for, BUT I can see it's not found a target.
It IS against the rules to ask a thread question aimed solely at a single factor, i.e. just at women, or just at dog owners, or just at pub landlords... ( thats what 'polarised' means ) , so I'm not surprised most people have picked up on
You often hear about English/British people saying that their culture is being lost bit.
.. and that's why none of us can answer the OP's question - because we aren't a minority ( ethnically ) in our own country/s.
If I were living in Japan and the question was asked of me there, I'd say ' my culture is in my homeland - I just carry a bit of it around with me. I am a product of the culture I was raised in and regardless of where I live as an adult the culture of my country will still be there - how can it disappear?
Actually - OP, it's a bloody daft question all round.. I'm off to make a brew...
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Posted: 7/10/2008 9:28:50 AM | | I think the question should be asked - What is "culture" anyway? What do you mean by it? Culture is changing as we speak - as it always has throughout history. Surely this is a healthy and good thing? And its time to stop thinking in terms of "minorities". We are all here, we live on the same island, and we have the same basic interests. We should be thinking of "us" rather than in terms of "us and them" (whoever "they" may be). I think "culture" is a mixing bowl of everyone and everything - and always has been. No one can today talk of Saxon and Norman as two separate cultures for instance, as was felt at one time. In the same way, in the future (and its happening already) we will all take some good from all of our heritages and once again be "one culture". We still talk today of a "multicultural society" but its already moving on from that to be sinply a new "British" culture. But it won't be a white Anglo Saxon 1950's throwback - and a good job too! Of course there is room for individuality and personal freedom of behaviour, but we are all British one and all, and everyone has something to teach everyone else. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 9:48:02 AM | I wonder, throughout all the melee ( French word) of thic thread, if any ethnic minority person has posted at all..... ?..
Fair point. I posted after reading the original post because, sadly, I do feel like a minority in England. The point I made about the football matches and the flags is just one of many that lead me to feel this way. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 9:58:04 AM | I DO LIKE A HEATED DEBATE.. a mass debate is healthy.
I'm English and proud, i class the welsh,scots and even irish as one of us,but were just slightely better lol.
Theres simply too many foreigners entering Britain, wev'e got enough so we should say enough for now, i'm not racist either so anyone thinking so, shut it . | |
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| A question for ethnic minorities.?
Posted: 7/10/2008 12:48:29 PM |
yes we are an island we are surrounded by water just linked to main land europe by a tunnel...
One would imagine that someone who claims to be so patriotic would have just a little more knowledge of the geography of their own country. | |
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| A question for ethnic minorities.?
Posted: 7/10/2008 1:28:06 PM |
yes we are an island we are surrounded by water just linked to main land europe by a tunnel...
with flights arriving or leaving every 2.3 seconds, lol
its the 21st century, after checking the atlas, check the calendar, then your ar$e, in case there's more 'wisdom' up there | |
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| A question for ethnic minorities.?
Posted: 7/10/2008 2:44:52 PM | If it comes to losing our identity and culture, I think that there is a need to celebrate being English.
I am asian, born in Scotland, brought up in Yorkshire and after a couple of postings abroad and across England now live in Cheshire. My kids are English and British. I want them to be proud to be English with the influences they have from other cultures there to enrich them.
I think that we should celebrate St.Georges day and claim back the cross of St.George from the extremists. In celebrating our own culture, I do not see that it should cause offence to anyone else (think of St.Patricks day when we can all join in).
There is no reason why being proud to be English should be at the expense of also being British or a British asian.
People are travelling and moving around the world apace. If ever I live abroad again, I will do so with a view to embracing the culture there. I will always, however, be happy and proud to be English. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 5:50:04 PM | | Wise words mrp - completely agree with you. I believe we should also have a "British Day" - a public holiday where we can ALL celibrate our combined heritage and cultures. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 4:07:43 AM |
the only celebrating should be the bloody foriegners celebrating our white english history an holidays
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| A question for ethnic minorities.?
Posted: 7/11/2008 4:53:26 AM |
Typically wet leftie, celebrate anything but our english herritage,but rather kow tow to the foreigners an forsake anything english,an turn us into some immigrant dumping ground of scoungers an terrorists.
Well that's sorted then!
Why anyone would to come n live here when having read your posts, there is evidently a failing in our Education ethos.
This sceptred Isle has a history of adopting other cultures - and I am proud of the fact, yet bigoted deluded fools who rant about isolation been our best policy makes me ashamed to be British. I would happily talk to someone of any colour creed or race in a bar. Just draw the line at racist fools who do nothing to further our once great nation.
Racism the last bastion of those incapable of joined up thinking! | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 5:37:21 AM | I have been in UK for 14 years and I still hear comments 'Crazy French Woman!!' when I get absent minded and make clumsy mistakes.
I am not even close to being French  | |
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| A question for ethnic minorities.?
Posted: 7/11/2008 6:08:41 AM |
Thats the very sad situation we have in England people who continuely knock slag, england!
OK you are proud to be English. That's good. So am I. I don't agree with some of your other ideas but then that's fair enough as I'm sure you wouldn't agree with some of mine either.
You are clearly very passionate about this subject and maybe need to take a step back and breathe before you post sometimes.
Msg 39 was calling for better celebrations of St.Georges day and reclaiming the flag of St.George from the extremists.
Msg 40 was agreeing with him and then "also" as well as the St.Georges day stuff, which is what you clearly support, suggesting maybe a British Day as well. So by having a go at him you've been bashing someone supporting one of your ideals.
I'm sure most people on here will fall off their chairs that "I" have pointed this out to you as it does seem like the highest level of hypocrasy. I myself have been known to "go off on one" about what someone has said without reading or understanding it properly. I've done my time on the naughty step for it, from what I've learned I'm just trying to help you out. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 6:36:10 AM | | I think this is a simple enough question, OP. But, predictably, within the space of a handful of posts, that old chestnut "racist" managed to rear its head. Typical. These days, people can't debate the most benign topic without some uneducated, uninformed eejit lobbing in that tired old grenade in a pathetic bid to appear 'correct' and clever. When most of the time, it's the subject of culture being discussed, the words 'racism' and 'racist' are misplaced anyway. We all make judgments about people based on their appearance. Only a misguided fool would deny it. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 6:53:01 AM |
I think this is a simple enough question, OP. But, predictably, within the space of a handful of posts, that old chestnut "racist" managed to rear its head. Typical. These days, people can't debate the most benign topic without some uneducated, uninformed eejit lobbing in that tired old grenade in a pathetic bid to appear 'correct' and clever. When most of the time, it's the subject of culture being discussed, the words 'racism' and 'racist' are misplaced anyway. We all make judgments about people based on their appearance. Only a misguided fool would deny it.
It is perhaps part of the current social conditioning that makes them think like that.?
Herd mentality.? I don't know... | |
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| A question for ethnic minorities?
Posted: 7/11/2008 7:09:33 AM |
I think this is a simple enough question
Really...The last person that said that on here also got it wrong. It’s not a simple enough question
If there are any ethnic minority people here, I'd like to ask if you think that your own culture(s) will disappear in the future?
Is he asking if their cultures they left behind or brought with then are going to disappear?
You often hear about English/British people saying that their culture is being lost.
This in itself is offensive to many British people and part of your ‘Social conditioning’ and ‘Herd mentality’ and personally I would construed it as being racist, when someone else pointed it out that this way of thinking should be stopped, it was the OP that called him racist and brought racism into the debate
But I'd like to hear from the other side too, do you think your own culture and traditions are being lost by living here in Britain.?
Are you asking me now, as the 'person on the other side’, if my culture is 'being lost by living being here in Britain'...that doesn’t make sense. Why would my culture be lost by me living here???
Hence my reply, this is disjointed and polarised.
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Posted: 7/11/2008 7:39:51 AM |
Hence my reply, this is disjointed and polarised
told ya!!!
If I was a poncy English teacher I'd be saying the original post lacks cohesion. It also poses the '3rd' hypothetical.... (which I can't define at this moment ) | |
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| A question for ethnic minorities?
Posted: 7/11/2008 11:11:17 AM | personally I would construed it as being racist
I suspect that people who get het up about perceived racism, throwing that word around at every opportunity, are trying to assuage their guilt for their own bigotry. My advice: Don't chuck it back at everyone else. Take the shame. | |
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