| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 10/20/2009 5:52:16 PM | It all comes down to the politics, doesn't it ?
..... Hmmm, I wonder if politics will be poured down the proverbial gas tank to run our engines once the fossil fuels run out.
On a lighter note, there'll be no need to feel under pressure to choose between paper or plastic at the grocery store anymore...... petroleum based products will no longer be available to the average joe schmuck.
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 10/20/2009 7:19:25 PM |
There is NO common sense to those who push the global warming nonsense on us, as in the past 10 years, temperatures have gone.........DOWN.
Ooooppppss!!!!
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/Fig1.gif
What about the dire predcitions of how many more Katrina like storms would happen as a result of the "warming trends" Just the OPPOSITE has happened.
Oh, you mean not every prediction has come to fruition right away? Hmm. Well, let's toss out the whole thing.
As far as your energy efficient bulbs, if you break one, you are advised to call the haz-mat team, because they contain MERCURY................
Broke one. I'm still alive. Still, it's fun to panic, isn't it?
The only effect Kyoto will have is to force the US to the level of 3rd world developing nations.
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 10/20/2009 7:46:42 PM | Hey star...
Lets see, even the site you referred to shows that the temperatures have gone DOWN. Have you even looked at it?
Every year for how many years all we have heard were dire predictions of how we were all going to be swept off to sea, the worst hurricanes....... yada yada yada blah blah blah........... No such luck...... sorry.
You really need to read the cartons that the bulbs come in..................
As far as Kyoto goes........... I guess that is one more thing that you either haven't read or are ignorant about.
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 10/20/2009 9:10:28 PM |
Lets see, even the site you referred to shows that the temperatures have gone DOWN. Have you even looked at it?
Did you? Or were you looking at it while standing on your head. Because it showed an overall trend of temperatures going UP.
I guess that is one more thing that you either haven't read or are ignorant about.
I always find it interesting that, just because someone disagrees with someone elses' position, they go to the ad hominem attack. "You don't agree with this? You must be ignorant." Ooooorrrrr....I don't agree with you. You know, that's not actually illegal. People are allowed to disagree with other people and not be considered less intelligent for it. | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 10/20/2009 10:03:12 PM | Hey star.
Just a few things. "ignorance" is not stupidity, I never called you stupid, there was no attack. Ignorance is lack of knowledge............................
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 10/20/2009 10:08:47 PM | | O.K. So Science proved the trajectories of the planets. Our Sun. etc. Then Science propelled the Industrial Revolution. Then Science changed course and said that what it propelled is contributing to Global Warming. I do not think that Science is what will save us. I think what could possibly save all would be taking one day at a time and paying attention to the facts. Also, Science and scientists are not "God", whatsoever, and will never be able to predict with any kind of acute accuracy the breadth and width of this Universe we live in. At any rate do not throw your trash on the road and be willing to suspend all judgement. Do not be a witless consumer. Do not trust the arrogant, the power mongers and those who salivate over money. Keep your eyes and ears open. | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 10/21/2009 7:33:27 AM |
ARTIC HEAT WAVE 'UNIQUE' IN HISTORY: Study Lake sediment suggests summer temperatures have only been this warm once before in last 200,000 years
By Martin Mittelstaedt From Tuesday's Globe and Mail Published on Tuesday, Oct. 20, 2009 12:00AM EDT
The Canadian Arctic is experiencing a heat wave that has seldom been matched in the past 200,000 years, says a new scientific paper based on the study of sediment found at the bottom of a remote lake on Baffin Island.
Scientists looking at the remains of microscopic plants and insects preserved in the lake's crusty bottom say a comparison of flora and fauna found in the remote past and in recent decades suggest temperatures similar to those occurring now have been exceedingly rare.
Over the 200,000 years, the sediment revealed a natural ebbing and rising of various species that either favoured warmer or colder climate conditions.
But recently, there have been unprecedented increases of some algae types dependent on warmer weather that were almost never found during the preindustrial era.
"Our findings show that the last several decades have been the most ecologically unique in 200,000 years," said Neil Michelutti, a research scientist at Queen's University in Kingston and one of the members of the team that conducted the study, which is appearing this week in the online edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
According to the study, the only time that summer temperatures were similar to current readings was just after the last ice age ended about 8,000 years ago, and during a warm period before the last glaciation.
The research also extends far back into time reconstructions of previous climate conditions in the Arctic.
Up until now, past climates have been inferred from Greenland's ice cores and the 120,000 years of records they provide. But the data derived from the lake sediment predate the creation of Greenland's massive ice sheets by 800 centuries, allowing scientists to peer that much further back.
The new finding is adding to the flurry of research suggesting dramatic and far-reaching changes are under way in the Arctic, considered the part of the world most at risk from climate change.
Last week, a team of British researchers said the Arctic Ocean is undergoing a swift melting that they predicted will leave it largely free of summertime ice in as little as 20 years. Earlier this year, a report suggested global warming in the decades ahead would allow tree growth as far north as Baffin Island.
In the new research, scientists conducted a painstaking reconstruction of life at the site by looking at the fossilized remains of tiny algae and insects preserved in the sediment at the water body, located in an isolated part of the east coast of Baffin Island facing Greenland.
The algae are microscopic, with hundreds fitting onto the head of a pin, and the insects primarily midges, small two-winged gnats.
While the composition of the insect and plant communities varied over time, depending on the climate, recently the species have switched to those that thrive in ice-free conditions to a degree unlike anything previously seen.
"The lake has followed a trajectory through the 20th century toward increasingly exceptional environmental conditions with no natural analogues in the past 200,000 years," the study said.
Over the period preserved in the sediments, there were two ice ages and three warmer periods, so-called interglacial eras, highlighting the rarity of modern climate conditions.
"This historical record shows that we are dramatically affecting the ecosystems on which we depend. We have started uncontrolled experiments on this planet," said John Smol, a biologist at Queen's University.
The lake was small and unremarkable by most standards - less than a square kilometre in surface area and with a maximum depth of only 10 metres.
But scientists say it had one rare attribute that made it a major scientific find: during previous ice ages, it wasn't covered with moving glaciers, but rather frozen solid. That meant the sediments at its bottom were preserved. They weren't scoured up and deposited elsewhere, bulldozer fashion, as were lake bottoms throughout the rest of the area that was covered by the glaciers.
The study was conducted by researchers at five U.S. and Canadian universities, including the University of Alberta in Edmonton and the University of Colorado in Boulder. | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 10/21/2009 8:54:04 AM | Hey star
Do you have any idea why Greenland is called "Greenland", and Iceland is called "Iceland"? You see, Iceland used to be green, and Greenland used to be icey.
What does that tell you? It tells you that climate changes.......... AND, this happened long before there were all of these evil polluting humans around...........
Humans sometimes have a tendency to be so ego-centric that they think that verything and everybody and all is centered around them, both good and bad. We are just a speck. Get used to it.
Personally, I think a little be of warmer temps would be good. Increase the summer growing periods and all that. I can hear it now, the sea levels will rise....... WE WILL ALL DROWN............... BS What happens to water when it freezes? HOLY CHEMISTRY BATMAN, it expands. Seeing how over 90% of frozen ice is under the surface, when it melts, what happens to the water level???? Almost nothing. Try this sometime. This is called an "experiment". We did this in chem lab in high school. The teacher was tired of us blowing things up, so he devised an experiment where he took a beaker, filled it with ice, then put water on top. He then put a lid on top of the beaker that had a thin pippette that was graduated, and filled the beaker through the pippette up to the halfway point on the graduations. That way, we could more accurately tell what happened when the ice melted...... Guess what happened???? The level went DOWN. I know what you are thinking, part of the icebergs that will melt due to global warming are above the surface, and they will affect the level of the water, but it is almost a zero sum gain due to the 90% of the ice melting below the water line.
Then there is simple math. Find out the area of the oceans of the world, and then in order to raise the levels by one foot, do the math and figure out how much ice would have to melt.
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 10/21/2009 10:20:04 AM |
Personally, I think a little be of warmer temps would be good. Increase the summer growing periods and all that
Many of the worlds greatest rivers of whom hundreds of millions of some of the worlds poorest people rely on for water, and irrigation are drying up and will become small seasonal rivers, resulting in mass migration, starvation, not seen on the planet. This has already begun with rivers like the Yellow River in China.
Just because you may escape the ensuing holocaust caused by global warming for a while does not mean global warming is a good thing.
Seeing how over 90% of frozen ice is under the surface, when it melts, what happens to the water level???? Almost nothing
Scientists have taken this into account with their predictions and only use Ice that is on land to determine the ocean level rise. | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 11/2/2009 6:40:27 PM | New scientist Climate warning as Siberia melts
* 11 August 2005 by Fred Pearce * Magazine issue 2512. Subscribe and get 4 free issues. * For similar stories, visit the Climate Change Topic Guide
THE world's largest frozen peat bog is melting. An area stretching for a million square kilometres across the permafrost of western Siberia is turning into a mass of shallow lakes as the ground melts, according to Russian researchers just back from the region.
The sudden melting of a bog the size of France and Germany combined could unleash billions of tonnes of methane, a potent greenhouse gas, into the atmosphere.
The news of the dramatic transformation of one of the world's least visited landscapes comes from Sergei Kirpotin, a botanist at Tomsk State University, Russia, and Judith Marquand at the University of Oxford.
Kirpotin describes an "ecological landslide that is probably irreversible and is undoubtedly connected to climatic warming". He says that the entire western Siberian sub-Arctic region has begun to melt, and this "has all happened in the last three or four years".
What was until recently a featureless expanse of frozen peat is turning into a watery landscape of lakes, some more than a kilometre across. Kirpotin suspects that some unknown critical threshold has been crossed, triggering the melting.
Western Siberia has warmed faster than almost anywhere else on the planet, with an increase in average temperatures of some 3 °C in the last 40 years. The warming is believed to be a combination of man-made climate change, a cyclical change in atmospheric circulation known as the Arctic oscillation, plus feedbacks caused by melting ice, which exposes bare ground and ocean. These absorb more solar heat than white ice and snow.
Similar warming has also been taking place in Alaska: earlier this summer Jon Pelletier of the University of Arizona in Tucson reported a major expansion of lakes on the North Slope fringing the Arctic Ocean.
The findings from western Siberia follow a report two months ago that thousands of lakes in eastern Siberia have disappeared in the last 30 years, also because of climate change (New Scientist, 11 June, p 16). This apparent contradiction arises because the two events represent opposite end of the same process, known as thermokarsk.
In this process, rising air temperatures first create "frost-heave", which turns the flat permafrost into a series of hollows and hummocks known as salsas. Then as the permafrost begins to melt, water collects on the surface, forming ponds that are prevented from draining away by the frozen bog beneath. The ponds coalesce into ever larger lakes until, finally, the last permafrost melts and the lakes drain away underground.
Now when Siberia melts the CO2 and CH4 will be released warming the atmosphere etc. When the cap of ice is removed vast quantities of water not only on the permafrost layer but also in the water table held in the Siberian Plateau will be released causing a Jokulhaulp on the Ob Lena and Yenesi flooding the Artic Ocean.
Once the water table is removed by deduction the pressure will be released from the methane hydrates below. Goodbye Antartica. Goodbye Venice, Goodbye Manhattan Goodbye London. | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 11/2/2009 6:57:51 PM | Paul K
It may be that he Vikings under Leif Ericson named Greenland Green However Leif who was born in Dublin (black pool) already knew of its existence from the Irish.
It is said by the Icelanders that when the seas got rough some of his crew got off on the Isle of Man. The next men and women got off on the Hebrides and some on the Orkneys then Shetland and then some more on the Faroes but only the really macho strong and hardy sailors managed to get to land at Reykjavik.
Once the vikings did a bit of exploring they discovered the Papirs on Papey off the East Coast of Iceland. Google it! The Papirs (Christian Monks) had come from Bangor Abbey in Northern Ireland after founding Iona at least 400 years before them.
It was the Northern Irish at the time known as Scottii from the Emerald Isle who informed Leif Ericson where both Greenland and Vinland where and how to get to them. Vinland is thought to be Nova Scotia or Newfoundland.
Therefore it was Northern Scottii from what was later to be called Ireland who discovered America 1000 yrs before Columbus and 500 yrs before Brendan from Kerry claimed Manhattan for the Kerrymen.
Greenland may have been called Greenland in the same way as Ireland was called Emerald Isle.
The Northern Irish also reeducated pagan europe after the collapse of the roman empire. | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 11/2/2009 9:02:19 PM | | I have a question for Enrique... how did those peat bogs get there and what are being found in then... therefore can you make any conclusions from those two questions and your answers??? | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 11/3/2009 4:59:46 AM | Mammoths with undigested grass still in their stomachs and even on their teeth. Suggesting they did not have time to migrate south before being enveloped in a freezing environment
I know from Ireland that spagnum moss peat bogs grow in a very high precipitation low light level climate. | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 11/3/2009 11:44:57 AM | | Sorry... but you did'nt state a conclusion... or are you afraid to come to one on your own... | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 11/3/2009 4:07:00 PM | | BTW... I'm not much of a 'quick freeze' theorist... animals with food in their stomaches probably fell in bog holes and drowned... | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 11/4/2009 8:14:30 AM | | Its not really about politics or even science with the tree huggers. Its more about a religious kookiness. They have a puritanical zeal that transcends normality. Their attempts at dragging the world back into a grey priggish stone age, would be laughable apart from the worrying spectacle of seeing numpty politicos such as Gore, being hoodwinked by their sack cloth wearing fundamentalism. | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 11/4/2009 8:52:46 AM | on a wire I live in Ireland and so am used to the highland and lowland bogs of ireland which are spagnum moss based I have never been in Siberia so no nothing about Siberian Bogs. They may be based on sedge grass, reeds, asiatic flora.
I dont understand what you are trying to get me to speculate on
I take it you want me to say something controversial about some speciality of yours. Let us all know . | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 11/4/2009 8:59:42 AM | On a wire
I see you admit to being a " Shoe Slut" and have an interest in the "Female labia" and "Nirvana"
Discuss with me this new learning as applied to Siberian Bog Theory | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 11/4/2009 3:51:57 PM | As for the math of the oceans rising ... its been done. they only use the ice on islands and continents like Greenland ... named to attract settlers away from Iceland which was a much better place to live.
As the ice melts from Greenland and Antarctica the continents also rise from lack of weight on them and this too ads to the rise in sea levels. The math was done years ago so maybe its no good because its old math.
ignorance is bliss so let's all be happy | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 11/12/2009 8:57:31 PM | There is no global warming.
And even if there was we aren't causing it.
And maybe it's a good thing anyway. It would be nice if Ottawa didn't get so cold every winter.
The earth goes through these cycles all the time so why worry?
It's just a scam for a bunch of industry pressure groups to make more money and gain political power.
Scientists enjoy scaring people.
The earth is flat.
All is well.
Keep running your SUV. | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 11/18/2009 5:22:36 PM | Here is a new article about atmospheric carbon levels versus global warming. Looks like a legitimate study:
http://www.dailytech.com/Carbon+Levels+are+Soaring+But+Temperature+Isnt+Necessarily+Keeping+Pace/article16861.htm | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 11/18/2009 8:05:36 PM | | It's more about politics than anything else. Ice ages have occurred several times, and much warmer periods when there were hardly any people on the earth. It's pretty arrogant to think we can control the climate. All it takes is a big volcanic eruption, activity of the sun, or an asteroid impact to change the climate immediately. Whatever we can do is too little, it's like throwing stones into the ocean and expect it to have a measurable effect on the waves. | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 11/19/2009 6:22:13 PM | It doesn’t take a scientist or a genius to realize that “pollution” has negative effects not only for the planet, but also for everything that exists on the planet. Therefore reducing such “pollution” would have a positive effect on the planet and it’s inhabitants.
But, can pollution change the temperature of the Earth and is it responsible for all these changes?
There are all kinds of talk about this being “truth” on TV. What I don’t see mentioned on TV or in the news anywhere is that “Our Whole Solar System Is Changing.” Surely we aren’t responsible for this ….but what is? Could it be the Sun?
The following info is from a paper by Richard C. Hoagland & David Wilcock published in 2004.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/05-14-2004/Interplanetary_1.htm
The entire solar system - not just our one small planet -- is currently undergoing profound, never-before-seen physical changes.
Here are some highlights:
Sun: More activity since 1940 than in previous 1150 years, combined Mercury: Unexpected polar ice discovered, along with a surprisingly strong intrinsic magnetic field … for a supposedly “dead” planet Venus: 2500% increase in auroral brightness, and substantive global atmospheric changes in less than 30 years Earth: Substantial and obvious world-wide weather and geophysical changes Mars: “Global Warming,” huge storms, disappearance of polar icecaps Jupiter: Over 200% increase in brightness of surrounding plasma clouds Saturn: Major decrease in equatorial jet stream velocities in only ~20 years, accompanied by surprising surge of X-rays from equator Uranus: “Really big, big changes” in brightness, increased global cloud activity Neptune: 40% increase in atmospheric brightness Pluto: 300% increase in atmospheric pressure, even as Pluto recedes farther from the Sun None of these statistics are from “fringe” scientists; they are all very, very real, and what you have just read is only the proverbial “tip of the iceberg.”
The article was fascinating and offers something you won’t find on the 11 o’clock news.
Peace, the FairyHealer | |
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| The Science of Global Warming Posted: 11/19/2009 8:24:03 PM | the truth of the matter ... is we have to prepare psychologically if not physically for the changes nothing ever stays the same and we cannot predict the future very well so like good scouts be prepared.
as for running out of oil .... not in our liftime... but the grandkids might need to save it for bettter things than just burning it. | |
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