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| Who lies better--men or women?
Posted: 8/2/2008 8:38:08 AM | I think women are more devious than men because we think on multi dimensions.. far too complicated for a man who is more linear in thinking to follow.
I don't know who is the better liar.. I think it is a toss up.
Great post billi.. | |
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| Who lies better--men or women?
Posted: 8/2/2008 9:39:26 AM | For a while I thought I was the only one to notice this. From my experience I don't know if I would say either gender lies "better" but I have noticed for the most part, not always in each case but for the most part a "difference" in the way each gender lies.
From my experience usually men lie but they , how do I put this, they lie with full knowledge that they are lying if that makes sense.
Women, just from what I have observed tend to convince themselves that the lie is really the truth.
Of course I've seen examples of that in both genders just that for some reason I have seen it more the way it's stated above. | |
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| Who lies better--men or women?
Posted: 8/2/2008 9:54:14 AM |
Women, just from what I have observed tend to convince themselves that the lie is really the truth.
That's because women are not afraid to commit.  | |
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| Who lies better--men or women?
Posted: 8/2/2008 10:56:20 AM | | it has nothing to do with sex.some people are just good liars and especially if they believe theyre not in the wrong they will lie even better. | |
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| Who lies better--men or women?
Posted: 8/2/2008 7:56:04 PM | MY EXPERIENCE SAY
MEN AND WOMEN LIE ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT
BUT WOMEN ARE THE BETTER LIARS
but it can never be proven | |
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| Who lies better--men or women?
Posted: 8/2/2008 8:44:42 PM | This is a ridiculously long thread and I'm sure I'll be way down at the bottom but I felt compelled not only to respond to this but to add my humble opinion.
First let me recognize the author of the thread for a wonderfully well written composition. I have not read anything online that is it's equal. She will make anyone she meets a very lucky partner indeed.
I have given this some thought and although I personally have been at the receiving end of such dishonesty. But I still cannot believe that Women are the better at lies of the two sexes. Both are capable of the same deceit.
This social erosion is rapid from politics, to the board rooms of big business, to the least educated. Accountability, and morality seem a foreign concept to these morally corrupt and lost individuals.
In American history, they placed adulterers and liars in public display. How unfortunate that this practice has been abandoned. I think nothing short of public humiliation would make men and the sometimes fairer sex think twice. | |
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| Who lies better--men or women?
Posted: 8/3/2008 1:19:23 AM | [Neither is. People lie for a lot of reasons.
Mostly because the truth hurts.]
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I agree.
Both genders lie, a lot...but it has nothing to do with whether its a man or a woman, its simply the person.
I cannot lie to save my life...I cant keep a straight face and I always feel guilty 2 seconds later and confess, but then again I've never lied about anything big, just sarcastic little remarks.
Its all about the person, their ethical values, the situation, and other various things that cause people to lie...not their gender.
My ex fiance lied about things all the time and it took me 2 years to find out everything he had said and done...it was like waking up one day and realizing I was engaged to a stranger...it wasnt his gender that made him lie, it was because he was a pathetic**** ha...and I'm not going to sit there and call every man a liar and say they're better at it just because he was a damn good one. | |
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| Who lies better--men or women?
Posted: 8/3/2008 6:10:51 AM |
First let me recognize the author of the thread for a wonderfully well written composition. I have not read anything online that is it's equal. She will make anyone she meets a very lucky partner indeed.
Mefour...I wish I had written it. No...that was an excerpt from the author's book. I do write...but not about relationships. Thanks but no credit taken by me! | |
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| Who lies better--men or women?
Posted: 8/3/2008 6:24:15 AM |
but their lies are usually less complex than those of a woman's.
I have to agree with this.
In my own experience, it really is pretty even. I've been lied to by as many women as men, so I can't truthfully say that either gender lies more, but I see that women's lies are almost always way more intricate than a man's. Men will add glorious peripherals to their lies, but only when pushed for more info.
I think to a man who lies, the logic is... if there's too much detail, people will think it's a lie. And for the women who lie... the logic is... if there's not enough detail, they'll think it's a lie. It's really hard to know who's logic is sound. | |
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| Who lies better--men or women?
Posted: 8/3/2008 8:17:37 AM | The thing about the "Do these make my butt look fat?" is not a matter of being honest or dishonest, necessarily; you are giving an opinion. If a person is asking if it makes their butt look fat, chances are, they know it does. They still may like those pants and also hate knowing they spent money on something that is of no use to them. Or don't want to go through the hassle of changing, so they'll go for a second opinion.
Still, that doesn't mean you should say, "Oh, no, Honey; those pants don't make your butt look fat. Your butt would look fat no matter what you wear!"
That is not honesty; that is just plain stupid. LOL
What you should say is "Well, they're okay, but I think your (whatever) pants are much more flattering to your figure." Or something to that effect.
But that's not being truthful or dishonest; it's merely giving your opinion. Someone else may think those pants look just fine.
It's been my experience that men lie about things that are much more hurtful than women do...of course, since I don't have experiences with women, and also because I'm a very honest person, I just sort of naturally expect that most all other people are, too. I mean, I'm not so naive as to think they are; in fact, I know they're not. But I think it should be a natural assumption that most people don't lie.
When someone lies to me it completely baffles me and hurts me very much. I truly don't understand the mentality and motivation of anyone who would lie, particularly those who do it on a regular basis. People who lie are very uncomfortable with themselves, IMO. | |
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| Who lies better--men or women?
Posted: 8/3/2008 9:14:28 AM |
Posted By: grapevine on 8/3/2008 11  37 AM Message: It's been my experience that men lie about things that are much more hurtful than women do...
I'd like a comparison test on this...
Here's a very short list, of lies that women tell, that I find can be very damaging and hurtful...
1) He raped me.
2) He beat me.
3) It's his baby.
Can you please supply the lies men tell, that are as damaging and hurtful as these. Make sure they are lies exclusive to men. I'm not trying to embarrass you here, or put you on the spot, I'd just like to understand your above statement better. Anyone else, who can supply the answer, is also welcome to jump in. I'm really curious here. | |
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| Who lies better--men or women?
Posted: 8/3/2008 10:18:29 AM | oh I don't know ...
1) I didn't rape her
2) I didn't beat her
3) It's not my baby ...
since you asked.
But my answer is not a reflection of what I believe about liars in terms of gender ... both genders offer up good and bad traits. Some people (regardless of gender) are better at and more prone to lying than others. And anyone who would lie about the above three, in particular .. I don't care if it's a man or a woman .. is "run away" material. | |
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| Who lies better--men or women?
Posted: 8/3/2008 10:21:40 AM | Fair enough.  ^^^
I wonder if it's a good thing that those never occurred to me? Though I tend to connect denial with self preservation rather the destruction of an innocent. Still bad though. | |
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| Who lies better--men or women?
Posted: 8/7/2008 9:29:38 PM | Maybe a bit late in this thread... but here goes...
To lie is to steal trust, so a liar is also a thief.
With that said, and in my observation of what most people think, a thief is worse than a liar. Following that thought, a thief would find it easier to lie than to steal, so the best thiefs would also be the best liars. Since most people would consider men to be more likely to steal than a woman, it follows that men would be more likely to lie than women. The paradox of this is, that men get caught more often stealing than women do, so we can assume that women are better thieves than men. Logically then, we must assume that men lie more often, but women are better at it. I have to temper this conclusion with my own experience. My ex was terrible at lying, but excellent at choosing lies that could not be proven, therefore I could never catch her in a lie. Furthermore, if I chose (rather ignorantly I might ad) to confront her with a suspect but unprovable lie, she somehow miraculously was able to get me to appologise for questioning her in the first place. So what is my ultimate conclusion?
I aint got one. | |
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| Who lies better--men or women?
Posted: 8/28/2008 7:26:18 AM | Men...........how many are lying to their wives as they screw some other woman without a sign of guilt?
1) They lie to their wives about where they are going
2) They lie to themselves about what they are doing
3) They lie to their lover about why they can't meet at times | |
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| Who lies better--men or women?
Posted: 8/28/2008 9:25:17 AM | Your mother clearly had a problem, self-centeredness. Your father must have known something. Kids are not always aware of everything in a marriage. The life insurance policies and the CD's, he knew something.
Your ex was mentally ill. I don't think anything he did is worth assessing in this forum. I don't think we are comparing apples with apples here.
I do want to say, wow, you have a wealth of survival skills.
I hope that you and your two daughters find some peace and happiness in your life. | |
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| Who lies better--men or women?
Posted: 8/28/2008 9:26:48 AM | Dear imsophie1
Your mother clearly had a problem, self-centeredness. Your father must have known something. Kids are not always aware of everything in a marriage. The life insurance policies and the CD's, he knew something.
Your ex was mentally ill. I don't think anything he did is worth assessing in this forum. I don't think we are comparing apples with apples here.
I do want to say, wow, you have a wealth of survival skills.
I hope that you and your two daughters find some peace and happiness in your life. | |
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