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 Confident-Realist
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Msg: 151
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I've read that approximately 30% of the adult male population has had some type of homosexual experience.

Here's the problem. Your stat != (does not equal) one being homosexual. Homo or Hetero sexuality is not determined by what one ended up running into maybe when they were young, lost a bet, etc (which would inflate those #s).... but what they're attracted to. By that rationale, 66% of guys on college campuses are into girls who weight 40lbs more than they do, because they've had an experience like that. :) I question that 30%, but it makes more sense if one were to say "had a homosexual experience", since people, especially guys, do things they aren't naturally drawn to.

My point being, I'm sure more guys than willing to admit (especially with guys) have had some sort of homosexual experience of some sort -- and I'm sure there's of course more guys than one may think off the top of their head who have homosexual desires. One does not mean the other, that's all. There is no way 30% of guys are sexually attracted to other guys. I laugh at that.
 CheshireCatalyst
Joined: 9/14/2007
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Posted: 2/28/2010 8:54:55 AM
There is no way 30% of guys are sexually attracted to other guys. I laugh at that.


You just answered your own question. I didn't claim that 30% of men were homosexual. The number of men who "accidentally" have a homosexual experience (it was dark, I couldn't see) is extremely small. Are there really a lot of guys having sex with people of indeterminate sexuality when on the losing side of a bet? Sexual identity (how people think of themselves) sometimes has little to do with their sexual behaviour.

I actually found a a source that observed a 37% homosexual experience rate, and it was from Dr. Kinsey himself:

"37 per cent of the total male population has at least some overt homosexual experience to the point of orgasm between adolescence and old age. 50 per cent of males who remain single until age 35 have had overt homosexual experience to the point of orgasm, since the onset of adolescence."

Cited here - "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male" by Alfred Charles Kinsey (since the link is so convoluted):

http://books.google.ca/books?id=pfMKrY3VvigC&pg=PA650&lpg=PA650&dq=kinsey+%2B%22homosexual+scale%22+%2B37%25&source=bl&ots=kM2ODHa2Tc&sig=YLDNXFdQ1K0vGfiv4YcCvhu5BKQ&hl
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 KnopfAProblem
Joined: 12/28/2009
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Posted: 2/28/2010 1:13:23 PM
Sinc everyone seems to be talking about The Crying Game style situation... If I was mislead into believing they were a female; I'd be fairly angry. I put that on the same level as "Oh, wait, so you have kids??".

However if they had been manufactured to a point it was impossible to tell; in or out of the bedroom? Id like be annoyed whenever I found out (again, its a lie), but not as much as assuming there would only be one penis in the whole jibba jabber.

However, if I knew from the start the individual was a shemale/TS, I wouldn't care one bit.
 Confident-Realist
Joined: 2/8/2004
Msg: 154
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Posted: 2/28/2010 3:31:43 PM

I didn't claim that 30% of men were homosexual.

With all respect, that doesn't carry too much weight does it? Being homo or heterosexual is a desire, not an action, right? I put a low-level firecracker "on my pee pee" when I was kid (hurt like a ****) -- lots of kids do some crazy stunts.

I would say -repeated- homosexual experiences would be a better indicator. A better one would be -repeated homosexual experiences after age 14 or something. But of course the best indicator of experience-based survey would be an experience out of desire to do so.

Or just a simple test -- do you have the desire to touch another man's rhubarb? lol
 rpw883
Joined: 2/20/2010
Msg: 155
Shemales: The Other White Meat? (so would you sleep with one?)
Posted: 2/28/2010 4:34:07 PM
I'd go for it. I find a shemale very interesting & curious. Maybe I'm Bi and don't know it. I'm actually tring to set up a date with a shemale currently. Is that bad?? The way I look at it is it's 2010 & anything goes. I find myself checking out shemale porn on the internet. Is that a bad thing??
 Turkish Snowcone
Joined: 7/23/2009
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Posted: 2/28/2010 4:40:04 PM

With all respect, that doesn't carry too much weight does it? Being homo or heterosexual is a desire, not an action, right? I put a low-level firecracker "on my pee pee" when I was kid (hurt like a ****) -- lots of kids do some crazy stunts.

I would say -repeated- homosexual experiences would be a better indicator. A better one would be -repeated homosexual experiences after age 14 or something. But of course the best indicator of experience-based survey would be an experience out of desire to do so.

Or just a simple test -- do you have the desire to touch another man's rhubarb? lol
i would say repeated experiences after you have discovered wanking
 CheshireCatalyst
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Posted: 2/28/2010 5:05:46 PM

With all respect, that doesn't carry too much weight does it?


How does the original quote "not carry too much weight?" It's important to realize what the study was trying to ascertain. The study did not ask "with what type of partner do you usually/always have sex, but asked the participants to recall same-sex experiences to orgasm.

While other studies have estimated that approximately 4-6% of men are exclusively homosexual, as per the Kinsey scale, we are not left to assume that the remaining 30+% were cases of mistaken sexual identity committed by naive men in dark alleys while attempting to converse with interesting street people. What the study strongly suggests is that many men (not all) are "situational homosexuals," whose orgasm-resultant experiences might have been a one-off effort (pun intended), or they may have occurred when an opportunity arose (another intended pun) with someone who is not their typically preferred gender. Rather like what sometimes happens when a man encounters a particularly appealing Shemale........ he drops the pretense of being completely straight (not that there's anything wrong with that). I've met a few men off PoF who were like that, straight as an arrow under most circumstances, but if they thought I was actually a dude in a skirt and heels, my stock would rise! (I'll be good from now on). But don't suggest that they might have homosexual tendencies! ::tongue cluck::


But of course the best indicator of experience-based survey would be an experience out of desire to do so.


As opposed to? Prison rape where there is non-consensuality? Non-consensual sex is rape. If you had a homosexual experience to ORGASM, I would imagine that you probably desired the experience, which was what Kinsey asked in this particular study - was there an orgasm involved? In other words, having an orgasm was deemed to be the arbiter of whether you enjoy homosexual sex, whether it be once, twice, or repetitively.

Be well......
 Turkish Snowcone
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Posted: 2/28/2010 5:17:12 PM

If you had a homosexual experience to ORGASM, I would imagine that you probably desired the experience, which was what Kinsey asked in this particular study - was there an orgasm involved? In other words, having an orgasm was deemed to be the arbiter of whether you enjoy homosexual sex, whether it be once, twice, or repetitively.
Women can orgasm when they are raped too. That doesn't mean they enjoy it. An orgasm is just a sneeze and if the right body part is stimulated in a certain way, a reaction will be provoked whether it is desired or not.
 CheshireCatalyst
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Posted: 2/28/2010 5:31:42 PM

Women can orgasm when they are raped too. That doesn't mean they enjoy it.


Except that he is not studying incidents of rape, and the stats I quoted initially included only men - no women. Rape victims would have been precluded from a study of voluntary sexual behaviour. Credible studies of sexual behaviour deliberately strive to avoid the design bias inherent if including historical events such as rape (unless the study is conducted on rape victims themselves).

When the study was conducted, Kinsey did not have the ability to conduct a brain scan, nor did he examine levels of oxytocin or prolactin in the brain (to determine whether the pleasure centres were truly stimulated). The study was entirely anecdotal.
 iburns75
Joined: 1/1/2009
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Posted: 2/28/2010 6:46:27 PM
That is a question by itself. The doctors can remove the appendage and give breast implants. So if you picked up a Shemale that you think is a she, you get intimate, to a straight guy, what do you do when you find out? Do you punch it in the face, run away, or scream like a girl lol. I just hope that never happens to me
 Blk_Archangel7
Joined: 12/21/2007
Msg: 161
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Posted: 2/28/2010 6:53:26 PM
HEEEEEELLLLLLLL NOOOOOO!!! I'd rather burn in hell than sleep with that, or it.
 greenbean70
Joined: 11/14/2010
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Posted: 11/17/2010 11:36:33 AM
Yea, sure I would if she was my type. I don't know why POF doesn't put transgendered in as a search parameter. Although most sites that do end up with a lot of escorts/hookers. Maybe that's why.
 OpenItAndIFillIt
Joined: 6/10/2010
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Posted: 11/17/2010 12:26:39 PM
I feel sympathy for those who are born that way. They had no choice and to be treated as normal it is going to cost a lot, plus the mental anguish of having to decide to go male or female.

Those who are in the transition from one sex to the other, I do not feel anything for.

Even so, I would not sleep with one. Whether he/she has breasts, having a tool that allows them to pee int he snow is a deal breaker.

On a related note, I would not sleep with a man who got an operation so he thinks he's a woman.
 OpenItAndIFillIt
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Posted: 11/17/2010 12:30:26 PM
ABM said:

If I was mislead into believing they were a female; I'd be fairly angry. I put that on the same level as "Oh, wait, so you have kids??".

I would equate it to, "Oh, wait. You have AIDS??"
 sexyisback!
Joined: 9/14/2010
Msg: 165
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Posted: 11/17/2010 1:29:48 PM
a shemale is a MAN, just with different outside packaging

however it looks on the outside , it is packing a PENIS and has no vagina, what exactly would you 'do' with it? suck it off, let it suck you off, ,bang its ass or spread your own ass cheeks to be banged?

so why not just ask if you would sleep with a man, (ie. are you bi, or gay, for a male..) ?
 Secondhand_Lion
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Posted: 11/17/2010 10:16:16 PM
If I ever found a willy hiding in a woman panties, my departure velocity would suck the feathers off the Roadrunner.
 TravelingLight
Joined: 12/3/2009
Msg: 167
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Posted: 11/18/2010 12:03:21 AM
No, since they are males, at least partially, with a penis left. Not being homosexual, I wouldn't be too inclined. If the body and face look great can I still be tempted..who knows

Not the same as a hermaphrodite, however.
 1234deleted1234
Joined: 10/8/2009
Msg: 168
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Posted: 11/18/2010 2:15:16 AM
First off...I've never seen one fool me in person! I can always tell "something" isn't right so for one to not only fool me but for me to find them attractive would be an incredible longshot! I doubt it would ever happen...

Second, I'm not a big fan of blow jobs or anal sex so that leaves them with nothing to offer!
 Yew4ics
Joined: 9/30/2010
Msg: 169
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Posted: 11/18/2010 5:06:20 AM

First off...I've never seen one fool me in person! I can always tell "something" isn't right so for one to not only fool me but for me to find them attractive would be an incredible longshot! I doubt it would ever happen...


I think it's the voice that gives them away. Most men, try as they might, cannot duplicate the female voice. I went to a drag queen show recently, and it was very entertaining, and I saw alot of talent. These men looked absolutely gorgeous. I had no idea, that a guy could look better in a sexy dress than I do. They spend alot of time achieving that look. They shave and wax from eyebrow to a$$hole, and it takes hours just to get that part done. Of course, they are also taller and bigger boned than most women, but the trick/talent that foold people is in the makeup and dress. It draws the eye away from their body size. Like an optical illusion. Don't be so sure you couldn't be fooled by boys with boobs, or chix with dix.
 deerdog1
Joined: 12/29/2006
Msg: 170
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Posted: 11/18/2010 7:42:14 AM
met a girl named Yolanda she was visiting her grand parents down south from Chicago when I was in my teens ..and she seemed truly like one of the boys ..she was big framed ..athletic ... even masculine ..she hung out with guys ..she could drink most guys under the table ..we poked fun behind her back ...called her a dyke ..the way teenage boys will do ..but most of knew she could whip our ass if she desired ...well one night while drinking and giving her a ride home in my car ...stranded by a flat tire ..I found out just how much woman Yolanda was ..It was one hell of a summer ..most guys kidded me for having a dyke for a best friend..even asked me if her dvck was bigger than mine ...but after the rest of them went home or passed out Yolanda and me fvcked like minks till daylight ...she moved back to Chicago after that summer ..God how I'd like to see that girl again


I met her in a club down in old Soho
Where you drink champagne and it tastes just like cherry-cola
See-oh-el-aye cola
She walked up to me and she asked me to dance
I asked her her name and in a dark brown voice she said Lola
El-oh-el-aye Lola la-la-la-la Lola

Well I'm not the world's most physical guy
But when she squeezed me tight she nearly broke my spine
Oh my Lola la-la-la-la Lola
Well I'm not dumb but I can't understand
Why she walked like a woman and talked like a man
Oh my Lola la-la-la-la Lola la-la-la-la Lola

Well we drank champagne and danced all night
Under electric candlelight
She picked me up and sat me on her knee
And said dear boy won't you come home with me
Well I'm not the world's most passionate guy
But when I looked in her eyes well I almost fell for my Lola
La-la-la-la Lola la-la-la-la Lola
Lola la-la-la-la Lola la-la-la-la Lola
I pushed her away
I walked to the door
I fell to the floor
I got down on my knees
Then I looked at her and she at me

Well that's the way that I want it to stay
And I always want it to be that way for my Lola
La-la-la-la Lola
Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
It's a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for Lola
La-la-la-la Lola

Well I left home just a week before
And I'd never ever kissed a woman before
But Lola smiled and took me by the hand
And said dear boy I'm gonna make you a man

Well I'm not the world's most masculine man
But I know what I am and I'm glad I'm a man
And so is Lola
La-la-la-la Lola la-la-la-la Lola
Lola la-la-la-la Lola la-la-la-la Lola
 Sabrosura089
Joined: 11/29/2009
Msg: 171
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Posted: 11/18/2010 7:47:45 AM

If I ever found a willy hiding in a woman panties, my departure velocity would suck the feathers off the Roadrunner.





OP: I'm not bi-curious, but if I were a man I'd be floored if I expected a 'gina and there was a pecker between their legs! A person would have to be VERY OPEN-MINDED to entertain this scenario.
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 172
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Posted: 11/18/2010 10:30:51 AM
I think it's the voice that gives them away.

However, some women don't have very girly voices either, especially as they get older. Another fairly reliable giveaway is to look at skin tecture on a person's face. Men generally have larger pores and the skin is not as smooth. I'd look for as many clues as possible, since no single feature is going to always be a giveaway.

If I ever found a willy hiding in a woman panties, my departure velocity would suck the feathers off the Roadrunner.

By that time, therapy might be required.
 Confident-Realist
Joined: 2/8/2004
Msg: 173
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Posted: 11/19/2010 11:05:57 AM
I think it's the voice that gives them away. Most men, try as they might, cannot duplicate the female voice.

Yes they can... I lived out in Honolulu for a while, and some friends visited for a vacation... we went to a bar, and I didn't know there were a lot of trannies running around.

Particular Asians can pull it off very very well. Especially when they show their (fake) boobs and touch each other's in the corner of the bar. OMG! Jackpot, right? One of my more quieter friends left with both of them -- we were jealous yet happy for him. The next day he didn't have good news. They were both dudes, but he didn't find out until after they did pre-game warmups with his pee-pee while they were half naked.

I was there for a while before they left the bar, and I gotta say -- it was TOUGH. Their voices weren't strange. Now, I wasn't on ready-5 about trannies in the area, so if I were I probably would have built a little suspicion, especially if I was leaving with both of them in a brand new Jag like he did ("Okay, what's the catch??").... some of them out there, yeah, you can tell... others if you pay good attention... others? Tough.
 CheshireCatalyst
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Posted: 11/19/2010 1:33:31 PM
It's not just the voice - it's also the mannerisms.

Transsexuals spend a lot of time incoporating the movements and mannerisms of a typical Las-Vegas showgirl or pageant queen in order to be believable as women. They use the same techniques as magicians - using these mannerisms often distracts the observer from some of the characteristics that might be less believable.

Good transsexuals are often more feminine than many women, which is what often makes them so appealing to men who would never consider themselves homosexual.

Cheers
 Halcyon_Skies
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Posted: 11/19/2010 2:58:04 PM
Good transsexuals are often more feminine than many women, which is what often makes them so appealing to men who would never consider themselves homosexual.


I saw Jahna Steele several years ago in Las Vegas when she performed in the "Crazy Girls Revue" at the Riviera on the strip. You can google her. She was the most beautiful woman in the show---highly feminine in voice, appearance and mannerisms. I absolutely couldn't tell she was a transsexual, and normally I can tell right away. I was completely shocked when she was "outed" as a transsexual and kicked out of the show a few years later.
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