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 loveoregon

Joined: 10/3/2004
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Posted: 7/13/2008 7:44:41 PM
I say that we do it all. Offshore drilling and R & D geared towards alternative fuel sources. I like the oilman from Texas, T. Boone Pickens ideas about wind energy. He has vision and some clout, which is a good thing.

For those extreme enviros who fear losing natural habitat in ANWR---

If oil is discovered, less than 2000 acres of the over 1.5 million acres of the Coastal Plain would be affected.
-Washington Post Dec. 20, 2005

If you do the math, this area would be the size of a postage stamp on a football field.

I am a moderate enviromentalist and into "efficiently managing our resources" while preserving the planet, rather than be "stupid" about them.
 gizmosellschickens

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Posted: 7/13/2008 8:21:21 PM
Drill, and alternative energy are needed for secutiry of more stable supply of energy. Also, the goal is to graudally reduce energy costs to 2005 over a 30 year span. Rational people know that oil usuage gonna decline by 20% in the next 30 years, and more likely exploration of oil will get higher in price overtime, and cost gap for celloustic ethanol and natural gas will narrow. The goverment should cut taxes on people that give up cars as transport, and stop tax breaks for SUV hybirds. Also, reduce speed limits by 10mph on roads to allow usasge electric cars, and mopeds, scooters on roads. Higher tax on fuel inefficent engines, and tax incentives for auto makers to end production of SUVs period.
 TimPommell

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Posted: 11/6/2008 1:47:09 PM
I had started a new thread this morning to address alternative energy and the politics of what I can only describe as hypocrisy, but I guess it got deleted because this 6 month old thread is still "active".

On August 1st, Pelosi pulled the plug on discussion of off shore drilling, and the liberal mantra was alternative energy, not more drilling...
In 2006, Senator Ted Kennedy took the NIMBY position and blocked construction of a wind farm off the coast of Cape Cod. Tuesday the good citizens of California blocked a measure requiring Government owned entities to achieve a 20% benchmark for renewable fuel (non-fossil) power plants by 2010, a goal which they already impose on private energy companies. The two most liberal states in the country actually voted in preference of non renewable "dirty" fuel as opposed to renewable "clean" ones? What happened to the issue of Global Warming? Are they only valid environmental concerns when the answer materializes in someone else’s back yard?
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 11/6/2008 4:46:46 PM

Drill, and alternative energy are needed for secutiry of more stable supply of energy. Also, the goal is to graudally reduce energy costs to 2005 over a 30 year span. Rational people know that oil usuage gonna decline by 20% in the next 30 years, and more likely exploration of oil will get higher in price overtime, and cost gap for celloustic ethanol and natural gas will narrow. The goverment should cut taxes on people that give up cars as transport, and stop tax breaks for SUV hybirds. Also, reduce speed limits by 10mph on roads to allow usasge electric cars, and mopeds, scooters on roads. Higher tax on fuel inefficent engines, and tax incentives for auto makers to end production of SUVs period.


Chick man you have said it all. I see the end of oil like the end of whale blubber.

Save the WELLS...... haha.

They have pushed too far. Greed has created options.

Tax bennies will end soon for Standard Oil...........
 themadfiddler

Joined: 9/17/2008
Msg: 30
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Posted: 11/6/2008 5:22:11 PM
Drill yes...but for geothermal energy...a limitless supply of power from the earth itself.

Or start spending money to develop more efficient solar conversion technology...even wind generation has its problems including lethality to the bird and bat life.

How about tidal and wave offshore instead of offshore oil?
 nomoregames1985

Joined: 9/26/2008
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Posted: 11/8/2008 5:16:18 AM
Water is the way through Electrolysis, if you had a hydrogen vehicle that could run off the compressed gas after the H2 and the O are separated it would burn the H2 and the Ogygen would return to the atmosphere.
 gringo5555

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Posted: 11/8/2008 6:05:14 AM
I think that there should be some offshore drilling. American dependence on foreign-especially middle eastern crude -oil should/must end. But as the new President, Obama clearly has the mandate to demand that additional environmental protection should also be a stipulation in exchange for any drilling rights. More governmental oversight with more inspection by the government , more and harsher regulations for the oil companies that do the drilling, stiffer fines in cases of violations and an additional tax on any profit made by the oil companies with resources taken from these offshore wells, more funds towards research by the companies that drill, payments from the proceeds of the oilwells towards a energy conservation education fund-IN ADDITION TO EXISTING TAXES/REGULATIONS/INSPECTIONS. The oil companies have already proved that they have failed America, more then once, and they will do so again unless they have a chain thrown on them and are watched like a hawk. With the money generated by the taxes & fees the government will then have money that can be invested in alternative energy. The Oil companies are floating in cash and could easily afford minor concessions. The oil companies have endlessly proven that they will do what it takes to make a profit and have done the average consumer no favors, and in return they should expect none. So let them drill but with a whole new existing set of rules for which they shall pay for. If they don't want to drill??Let the government do it on its own then they have the experts and technology and can probably do it cheaper then the companies and that way there would probably be better environmental safeguards.
Some will say that is Unamerican, but is letting the oil companies cheat the public and make lots of money in return for ruining the environment as they outsource jobs Americam? That is even more unamerican.
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 11/9/2008 9:16:48 AM

The oil companies have already proved that they have failed America......The oil companies have endlessly proven that they will do what it takes to make a profit and have done the average consumer no favors,



Oil Companies (Standard Oil reborn) are only obligated to the stockholders interest. (Dodge Bro's Vs Ford)

To think any Corporation will put Country first is a dream. They owe nothing other than Sales taxes collected, income taxes, and royalties to the country.
 Just call me Gary

Joined: 4/12/2008
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Posted: 11/9/2008 11:58:46 AM
Many of us heard self proclaimed Alaskan energy expert Sarah Palin say "drill, baby drill" over and over during the U.S. election campaign.
However....... the United States only has about 2% - 3% of the worlds oil reserves but consumes 25% of the world's oil and as others have already said here ......Canada is the largest exporter of oil and natural gas to the United States.
And I think everybody now agrees that the U.S. ( and the west in general ) should stop buying oil from countries that oppose democracy and directly or indirectly support terrorism in any way.
The problem is most of the world's oil reserves lie in country's that don't like the west.
And Canada cannot possibly produce enough oil to make up the difference.....not even close.
We also must reduce emissions from internal combustion engines which are the major contributor to greenhouse gas emissions and other forms of pollution.

I have been and still am a big supporter of hydrogen fuel cells but making them practical for a moving vehicle operating in all climates is proving to be very difficult.
They are still at least decades away from possibly replacing the internal combustion engine.

By the way.......diesel, gasoline, propane, fuel oil and natural gas are all fuels used in internal combustion engines that power everything from chainsaws and cars to supertankers, giant cruise ships and power generating stations.

I think the answer for the next few decades will have to be hybrid and electric combined with very efficient internal combustion engines to dramatically reduce fuel consumption and emissions for vehicles.

But I think the holy grail will be perfecting the hydrogen fuel cell......and ultimately.......fusion power

 geeleebee

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Posted: 11/9/2008 12:25:24 PM

By the way.......diesel, gasoline, propane, fuel oil and natural gas are all fuels used in internal combustion engines that power everything from chainsaws and cars to supertankers, giant cruise ships and power generating stations.

I think the answer for the next few decades will have to be hybrid and electric combined with very efficient internal combustion engines to dramatically reduce fuel consumption and emissions for vehicles.

But the holy grail will be perfecting the hydrogen fuel cell......and ultimately.......fusion power


Great post. I absolutely agree about the hydrogen fuel cell.
 jack-d-ripper

Joined: 2/25/2008
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Posted: 11/9/2008 12:38:29 PM

When Henry Ford told a New York Times reporter that ethyl alcohol was "the fuel of the future" in 1925, he was expressing an opinion that was widely shared in the automotive industry. "The fuel of the future is going to come from fruit like that sumach out by the road, or from apples, weeds, sawdust -- almost anything," he said. "There is fuel in every bit of vegetable matter that can be fermented. There's enough alcohol in one year's yield of an acre of potatoes to drive the machinery necessary to cultivate the fields for a hundred years."


Or

Ethanol from Algae,


Eric Jarvis, a senior scientist at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden, Colo., said algae can be grown in the ocean or a desert pond, grow and feed on wastewater or literally eat air pollutants produced by a power plant.

Within three years, the Air Force wants algae systems capable of making 50 million gallons of fuel per year, Sayre said. He expects algae-based fuel to start becoming available to the public in three to five years.


PETCO and Algencol have a plant in the Sonora desert.


Algenol’s system can produce 6,000 gallons of ethanol per acre per year, far more than corn’s rate of 370 gallons per acre per year or sugar cane’s at 890 gallons per acre per year. Its process absorbs 90% of the CO2 that is fed to the algae bioreactors. Between 50-70% percent of the CO2 goes into ethanol.


Sweet potatoes, Jerusalem Artichoke,


agricultural refuse as cracked soy beans, rice and cotton seed hulls, grain sorghum, milo and jatropha and turns them into bio-crude oil.


Carbon Neutral, no huge investment, just end oil subsides.
 geeleebee

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Posted: 11/9/2008 12:42:27 PM
Wow...so many alternatives...

Thanks for the info, guys!
I love the algae solution:


Eric Jarvis, a senior scientist at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden, Colo., said algae can be grown in the ocean or a desert pond, grow and feed on wastewater or literally eat air pollutants produced by a power plant.

Within three years, the Air Force wants algae systems capable of making 50 million gallons of fuel per year, Sayre said. He expects algae-based fuel to start becoming available to the public in three to five years.
 ManFromMesa

Joined: 4/14/2009
Msg: 38
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Posted: 4/25/2009 11:47:37 AM
I want to step away from oil drilling and move into alternative energy,there are a dozen atleast that are so clean,and do not harm the earth.

I am very against drilling in an ocean,and do not want to see yet another disastrous oil spill,alt energy will not do a Valdez disaster.
 EarlzP

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Posted: 4/25/2009 1:32:31 PM

I am very against drilling in an ocean,and do not want to see yet another disastrous oil spill,alt energy will not do a Valdez disaster.


http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Business/255191/

You must have an in with the oil companies they are shutting down rigs and laying off workers at a record pace, why? So that they can jack up the price per gallon.

Since we are in an economic recession maybe it's time that the government installs some price controls on life essential products like oil, fuel, food ect

Chaves the terrible from Brazil subsidizes heating oil for our poor while the oil companies shut down rigs and lays off workers driving up prices and adding to the unemployment numbers

I wonder what drill baby drill McCain has to say about the oil companies shutting down drilling
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 4/25/2009 2:19:19 PM
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Caracas Brazil?

I can't find that on Goggle Earth...



I wonder what drill baby drill McCain has to say about the oil companies shutting down drilling


Newt should be proud ..........Drill Here Drill Now...
or (when you want)...... Credit Card fine print...

.........the Oil companies were handed a bunch of royalty free oil leases to use, when they feel the price is right............

The same GOP crap ..........
Poor folks screaming for a few Very Rich folks.

The same people that threw the baby in front of the king coach... proof of their love for the Crown..

Tea?
 faith2565

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Posted: 4/25/2009 3:15:11 PM
Let us focus on the economy first. But, I am in the middle. I do not have a problem with drilling in moderation, but we need to make sure we use alternative fuels as well.
 cotter

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Posted: 4/25/2009 3:44:59 PM

I do not have a problem with drilling in moderation ...
Who cares about drilling at all?

Any new drilling they do now won't bring us anything for the next 10 years. I thought everyone knew that.

Won't we have alternative fuels by then?
 oddandy

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Posted: 4/25/2009 4:12:52 PM

Let us focus on the economy first.


I agree.


Any new drilling they do now won't bring us anything for the next 10 years. I thought everyone knew that.


I'd like to know why this is the case. Check out this NY Times article from 2008...

http://tinyurl.com/cj23qd

...about a Brazilian company (George Bush asks,"whoa, how many is a Brazilian?!")


Petrobras, Brazil’s national oil company, shocked the oil world in November when it announced that its Tupi deepwater field offshore of Rio de Janeiro could hold five billion to eight billion barrels of oil. Analysts think there could be billions of barrels more in surrounding areas.

While the oil will be expensive and complicated to extract, Petrobras has said it expects to be producing up to 100,000 barrels a day from Tupi by 2010, and hopes to produce up to a million barrels a day in about a decade.


So in Brazil it looks like it only takes 2 years to get 100,000 barrels a day from a brand-spankin' new offshore platform, but it looks like full capacity production will take 10 years. Maybe this is why CNN started parroting the 10-year line? Maybe it takes 10 years for full capacity production, but as the Brazilians are claiming, only 2 years to get the ball rolling?

I honestly don't know, but if Brazil can start pumping in 2 years surely we can too? That's not to say that we don't need to start investing in and researching alternative fuels as the oil can't last forever, but I think we could certainly get a lot more oil to the marketplace than we are right now, and it looks like in a reasonable amount of time. Too bad nobody's going to make the oil companies do it, anyway. They're already shutting down some of their existing platforms. Hell, they may be the ones putting the "nothing for 10 years" thing out there.
 ManFromMesa

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Posted: 4/25/2009 4:32:22 PM
I agree and thats why I said what I said,the experts said in new drilling would be 10 years out so I don't see the point.

I say tough it up and continue to deal with whop we buy our oil from now,and try as hard as when we tried to put a man on the moon and get going on alternative energy.

We are almost there now with this energy but we need the investment dollar there now to accelerate the process,everything is there for electric vehicles,the major advance has been with the batteries,they already have doubled the speed of charging and doubled the output of energy using the same size,and doubled the longevity of the charge,and the newest battery far exceeds that,as you see from the examples the battery is where improvement is needed,and production volume will drop the price as soon as it becomes a staple rather than a novelty.
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/
http://www.teslamotors.com/
http://www.chevrolet.com/electriccar/

Wind energy,has been the airplane blade horizontal windmill where now its a vertical windmill,allowing effective charging at as slow as 2 mph winds when horizontal windmills took like 16 mph,then had to shut off in real high winds as to not damage unit,where as the vertical ones handle up to 90 to 120 MPH . look make your own for a fraction follow these popular Science generator plans for the magnetic generator a non ball bearing unit,the same magnetic principles as the 200 mph trains,zero friction. http://www.enviro-energies.com/index.htm
http://www.popsci.com/diy/article/2007-07/going-wind
and the generator /turbine plans for a 500watt unit http://www.windstuffnow.com/turbine%20kit.pdf
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 4/25/2009 7:47:46 PM

I honestly don't know, but if Brazil can start pumping in 2 years surely we can too?




Petrobras (Brazil) and Pemex (Mexico) leased or purchased the available deep drilling equipment............


A severe shortage of deep-sea drilling rigs will hold up exploitation of offshore oil for years, the New York Times reports. Existing rigs are booked solid for five years, and shipbuilders around the world are scrambling to fill dozens of new orders. Oil companies are frustrated by their inability to get at huge, newly discovered offshore fields.

Posted Jun 19, 08 3:22 AM CDT in World, Business











June 19, 2008

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/business/19drillship.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=print



Demand is so high that shipbuilders, the biggest of whom are in Asia, have raised prices since last year by as much as $100 million a vessel to about half a billion dollars.

“The crunch on rigs is everywhere,” said Alberto Guimaraes, a senior executive at Petrobras, the Brazilian oil company that has discovered some of the most promising offshore oil but has been unable to get at it.

“Almost 100 percent of the oil companies are constrained in their investment program because there is no rig available,” he said.

As a result, drilling costs for some of the newest deepwater rigs in the Gulf of Mexico — the nation’s top source of domestic oil and natural gas supplies — have reached about $600,000 a day, compared with $150,000 a day in 2002.

These record prices have spurred a new wave of drill-ship construction. This boom could lead to renewed offshore oil exploration that would eventually bring more supplies to the oil market, and push down prices.

Already, 16 new drill-ships are scheduled to be delivered to oil companies this year — more than double the number delivered over the last six years combined. In fact, 75 ultra-deepwater rigs should be delivered from 2008 to 2011, according to ODS-Petrodata, a firm that tracks drilling rigs.

Shipyards from South Korea to Norway are working overtime to meet a huge influx of orders.

Robert L. Long, the chief executive office of Transocean, the world’s largest drilling company, said he has nine deepwater rigs under construction, eight of which are already under contract for periods ranging from four to seven years once they leave the shipyards. He expects to receive the ships between the beginning of 2009 and the end of 2010.

Transocean believes the deepwater market will continue to be constrained until at least 2012. Over three-quarters of the drill-ships currently under construction have already been contracted to oil companies eager to benefit from triple-digit oil prices, Mr. Long said.

Petrobras, whose full name is Petróleo Brasileiro, is expected to drive much of the growth in the booming new market. The company has outlined an aggressive program to increase its drilling capacity, and plans to contract or build 69 deepwater drill-ships by 2017.




With oil prices in decline Petrobras is now missing dates to report long term debt.........they are borrowing heavily in Asia.

The US oil companies won't flood the market. Of course we might pay $4 a gallon..........

How about building Wind....
How many could come online in 5 years.......
 EarlzP

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Caracas Brazil?

I can't find that on Goggle Earth...


I am sorry I meant Hugo Rafael Chávez Frías the President of Venezuela.
 cotter

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Posted: 4/26/2009 6:01:52 AM

I say tough it up and continue to deal with whop we buy our oil from now,and try as hard as when we tried to put a man on the moon and get going on alternative energy.
We probably need to do whatever it takes to get going on the alternative energy ... that way we won't have to invade any more sovereign nations in the Middle East to try to steal their oil and natural resources ...
 Rigger4life

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Posted: 9/6/2009 8:37:56 PM
Sorry to bring back a old thread but. U. S does drill on there own turf.. Lots of rigs down south. Crap even us canadians are working on u.s patch.. I know a lot of roughnecks who are working down south. Theres not many u.s companys working overseas, ensign nabors and pd drilling work all over but a lot of the rigs overseas are owned by iran and china. Just with canadian hands and stuff..
Just wanted to note from experience haha..
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 9/7/2009 8:32:03 AM
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This market is very tightly controlled, the reserves will be developed to benefit the Corp not the consumer......
 killene

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Posted: 9/7/2009 9:02:37 AM
Interesting that this thread should be brought forward at this time.
Currently many are again wondering why the Obama administration feels we shouldn't explore and do offshore drilling in our country due to a recent transaction with Brazil.

Apparently Obama is backing a two billion$$$ loan(more by some reports)to Brazil so that they can explore and do offshore drilling.

Some say that there will be employment for some of our people and this will increase trade negotiations with Brazils.
As for employment for our people would not exploration and drilling in our own country create many more American employment opportunities than in some foreign country? JMHO
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