| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/14/2008 10:24:24 PM |
In Canada we are taught it was a tie. I thought we lost that one and then Canada just went home happy to have kicked butt. I use that war as justification for US citizens going north to steal Canadian health benefits. Being wholly ignorant of history I can do this. The US actually won that war because we got the 1812 overture and we got to keep our country. If Canada had won, there would be only Canada, no US, and Canada would be a lot bigger, and life would be dull. | |
|
| |
| |
| |
| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/15/2008 8:38:23 AM | | Why do any Canadians think that Americans even know about the war? My guess is if you did a poll less than 5% would even know what year it happened, let alone with what country or how it turned out or why it was fought. So I can answer the original question: there is not so many Americans who think that, since there aren't enough Americans who even know it happened. | |
|
| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/15/2008 6:25:44 PM |
And it gave us the Star Spangled Banner. I think.....
Yep, you're right.
"The Star-Spangled Banner" is the national anthem of the United States of America. The lyrics come from a poem written in 1814 by Francis Scott Key, a then 35-year-old amateur poet who wrote "Defence of Fort McHenry"[1] after seeing the bombardment of Fort McHenry at Baltimore, Maryland, by Royal Navy ships in Chesapeake Bay during the War of 1812.
The poem was set to the tune of a popular British drinking song, written by John Stafford Smith for the Anacreontic Society, a London social club. "The Anacreontic Song" (or "To Anacreon in Heaven"), set to various lyrics, was already popular in the United States. Set to Key's poem and renamed "The Star-Spangled Banner", it would soon become a well-known American patriotic song. With a range of one and a half octaves, it is known for being difficult to sing. Although the song has four stanzas, only the first is commonly sung today, with the fourth ("O thus be it ever when free men shall stand ...") added on more formal occasions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Spangled_Banner | |
|
| |
| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/15/2008 6:50:53 PM | If you need that little victory to feel good about yourselfs, than I freely admit you won the war of 1812. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7jlFZhprU4&feature=related
(link is to a funny war of 1812 song)
I wouldn't gloat too much, because it was made clear to me in the American Identity thread that I could move to Canada and become a duel citizen and even vote. :-)
How would you like 10% of conservative America to move there? We could change your political system over night without one shot being fired. Don't worry, we like America and want to stay here.  | |
|
| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/15/2008 7:41:03 PM |
Andrew Jackson absolutely crushed the British at the Battle of New Orleans
He had lots of help for his victory by the British commanders themselves:
General Keane failed to wait for reinforcements.
General Pakenham wanted to use an alternative route but was overuled.
General Pakenham failed to move on the left when the opportunity presented itself.
Col. Thornton's force was 12 hours late due a failed dam attempt.
Lt-Col. Thomas Mullins forgot the the ladders and fascines
Nevertheless, Jackson made his defense with mostly a citizen army (local armed civilians) for he left most of his regular army back in Pensacola to defend that city and port... However, that part is left out of most school text books, one has to read the indepth Military operation's documents as used at West Point, Annapolis, etc, to learn the finer details... While he successfully beat their resolve to continue the struggle at New Orleans. The British moved on to Biloxi, Mississippi, capturing Fort Bowyer and was making preparations to attack Mobile when word arrived about the peace treaty. | |
|
| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/15/2008 7:41:55 PM |
I wouldn't gloat too much, because it was made clear to me in the American Identity thread that I could move to Canada and become a duel citizen and even vote. :-)
How would you like 10% of conservative America to move there? We could change your political system over night without one shot being fired. Don't worry, we like America and want to stay here.
I don't know what this has to do with the thread. I think you were given bad information. It is actually very hard for an American to immigrate into Canada (unless you have a Canadian parent). Canada puts limits on the amount of immigrants allowed into the country every year, and very few are American.
Do you really think it is feasible for 30,000,000 Americans to migrate north to Canada. America would suffer serious economic hardship from the loss of human resources, and consumerism. And the infrastructure of Canada simply could not handle an instant doubling of the population. | |
|
| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/15/2008 7:47:48 PM |
How would you like 10% of conservative America to move there? We could change your political system over night without one shot being fired. Don't worry, we like America and want to stay here.
I should also add that if 10% of conservatives left America, the liberals would be able to completely take over the U.S.
Oh and in my previous post it should have been 15,000,000 and not 30,000,000. | |
|
| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/15/2008 8:07:22 PM | Super Ryan, you don't seem to get my humor, I was mostly kidding.
I don't care if you won it or not. It's a non-issue for me.
You guys couldn't do it today, could you?
Last I checked we're still military allies...so again non-issue. | |
|
| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/17/2008 7:48:00 AM | Powervamp; I assumed you were only kidding. I dd not think you were intentionally showing ill will towards Canada. But what you said is still pretty insulting. How would you feel if the Chinese made jokes about invading the U.S.
Canada and American are military allies, more importantly we are economic partners. Canadian/ American relations are amongst the strongest ties in the world. Since the War of 1812, Canada / U.S. relations have continued to grow and strengthen. Only under lil' Bush has our relationship weakened. | |
|
| |
| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/17/2008 8:04:58 AM | | If we lost, hmmm...when was the last time American Merchant Marine members were taken off ships and drafted into the British Royal Navy??? In 1939-41 they could have used some, don't ya think? Just like we haven't been bothered lately by those pesky Grenadians... | |
|
| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/17/2008 9:40:45 AM | North Vietnam lost the major battles, lost more people than we did...so did we win against them?
Officially, we left the land for the South to defend, so did we win...or just pick up our ball and go home?
Maybe the biggest victory in the War of 1812, is how much the weather was on our side...in a time of believing God was on your side, one could read that into what was going on.
Hey, if you want to re-fight American wars...try to convince conservatives we won against the Brits with help from those cheese-eating French :) lol | |
|
| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/18/2008 1:35:19 PM |
Hey, if you want to re-fight American wars...try to convince conservatives we won against the Brits with help from those cheese-eating French :) lol
Most conservitives dislike political correctness, because it's thought control. However your statment about France is factually correct. Without France we would have lost the Revolutionary war.
Speaking of Independence; the British North America Act of July 1, 1867 didn't happen for for another 55 years. I don't think Canada had the authortity to declare war, because they were ruled by England at the time. If there is any confusion whether or not "Canada" won the war of 1812...I think thats why. | |
|
| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/18/2008 1:54:56 PM | | whenever I meet someone from canada, the first thing I say to them is 1812 in your mother freaking face! this is usually followed by a fist pump and a moonwalk. the first thing I mention to redcoats is the revolutionary war. I met a russian once and said, '84 winter olympics, what...what. who cares about the war of 1812. no one even remembers what year it took place. | |
|
| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/18/2008 3:00:13 PM |
My guess is if you did a poll less than 5% would even know what year it happened
Heh , I can kind of see it happening
"So . . . what year did the war of 1812 take place?"
"Ummmm"
I'm not too sure if the Battle of New Orleans should count towards the final score , it did take place after the war finished. | |
|
| |
| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/18/2008 4:18:16 PM |
So I ask again, why do so many Americans think that the War of 1812 was a victory for America?
The War of 1812 is the Revolutionary War's retarded little cousin that we don't speak about in public. Our public schools spend less time on the subject than it takes to say "WTF?". | |
|
| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/18/2008 10:16:25 PM | "whenever I meet someone from canada, the first thing I say to them is 1812 in your mother freaking face! this is usually followed by a fist pump and a moonwalk."
God Bless the USA, brother! I totally burn maple leaves in the fall! I don't even care about the air quality! | |
|
| |
| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/20/2008 2:37:10 PM | America won the war of 1812, because the British were kicked back out. The fact that they are not in charge of us is the proof.
Or we could compare the War of 1812 and the Iraq war and look at it through the eyes of a liberal.
A liberal says: Since a few people died and the war took longer than we thought it would. I guess that means we lost. Or, since we still kept fighting and refused to give up, that means the British lost. By Iraq war standards of course, through liberal eyes. | |
|
| Why do so many Americans think they won the War of 1812?
Posted: 7/20/2008 4:32:10 PM |
America won the war of 1812, because the British were kicked back out.
Britain never tried to occupy the United States during the War of 1812. All land that Britain had taken during the war was ceded back to the U.S. in a peace treaty.
The fact that they are not in charge of us is the proof.
And America is not in charge of Britain or Canada. America was the country that declared war. Britain was at no time during the war attempting to take over the U.S. or occupy the country.
Or we could compare the War of 1812 and the Iraq war and look at it through the eyes of a liberal.
The Iraq War and the War of 1812, are extremely different wars. The War of 1812 had no general occupation. The Iraq war was fought and won by the U.S. in less then a month. What continued is an occupation, and I have no idea what people think a win would be in Iraq. Also the War of 1812 was fought as a rather polite war. It featured naval battles, fortress attacks, and field battle. It featured very little, if any, terrorist style, or gorrila warfare. It should be noted that neither country involved in the War of 1812 was trying to topple the government of their enemy. The War of 1812 was fought over trade.
Britain was at war with France, America was trading and providing assistance to France, Britain restricted Americas ability to trade, America declared war on Britain, Britain beat France in their war, Britain lifted restrictions on trade, Britain and America sign peace treaty, a few more skirmishes, war over, America and Britain never go to war against each other again.
Land gained: none
Lives and property loss: lots on both sides
Trade: resumed
Diplomacy: resumed
Governments toppled: none
Surrenders: none
So I don't get how any of this does not mean a tie. | |
|
Home
login 
