| Manson follower wants compassion...........................
Posted: 7/16/2008 4:30:14 PM | I remember those times, and I also read "Helter Skelter" . 
Manson, in a strange way, I can understand - but before the mob assembles with torches, let me clarify.....  If you read about his birth and early life, you can see why the guy is a psychopath. Couple that with intelligence (and from what I've seen of him, he's no idiot), and his rather unique talent for manipulation of people , he's like the "Perfect Storm" for mass killer Hall Of Fame induction (and he didn't do most of the killing) . Add the Sixties and drugs into the mix, and he was able to assemble a rather deadly group of people who not only brutally killed all those people - they nearly got a US President ......twice.
For someone that was always controlled, in places like juvenile halls and reform schools, he was quite unique in that he was able to twist that around and successfully control others - people who were rather well off (like Beausoleil and others) , well educated, and from a totally different class.
The fact that such a man could get close to music celebrities, like Melcher and the Beachboys, is also what separates him from the regular psychopath in some rather unique ways.
Atkins, Manson, and everyone else more than deserve what they received as punishment.They should consider themselves lucky, not "victims". I'm normally a pretty compassionate and forgiving person as well - but not on this one.
I don't wish any of them to suffer, even after all the horror they created on this planet. I do hope they all stay securely locked up, kept away from the society they struck out at, until they draw their last breath. 
Hopefully, something else will await them after that occurs.  | |
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Posted: 7/16/2008 8:35:24 PM | They should have fried them all into crispy critters decades ago.
...... compassion is over-rated and over-used by too many bleeding hearts, thus the reason why so many sick and twisted bastards roam free in society and/or my hard earned tax dollars keeping them in an 8x8 with 3 squares a day.
These animals need to simply hurry up and die.
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Posted: 7/16/2008 8:56:39 PM | | no compassion here ..she has lived more years then she ever should have I am sure she is getting meds to help with the pain more then Sharon Tate and her innocent baby got when she slaughtered them in cold blood! | |
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Posted: 7/16/2008 8:57:20 PM | What puzzles me is that if Susan Atkins is in such shape now... what point is there in letting her out? She's done. Toast. End of story.
So why would the Lawyer/husband even spend energy in such a futile effort. He will be there at her bedside when her time comes.
Society ruled long ago that Susan Atkins must pay for her crimes with a life sentence. Society said "You are too dangerous to be out in the general public."
I felt sorry and torn after reading that she spent all those years helping others in prison and felt remorse.... in fact, I was leaning towards the notion they should have compassion and release her.... until I read exactly what she did?
She may very well be a completely different person and feels shame and remorse.
But the crime was so horrific that society would never allow someone who did this back out into the general public. No matter what the circumstances, be it brainwashing, bad acid, or a bad childhood.... the crime.... my God... true horror.
She is where she is supposed to be. The book is closed. We, the public, are safer for her being where she is. We were compassionate as a society for sparing her death sentence.
She had a life filled with volunteering, teaching, painting and even a husband with private visits. I only hope that she thought deep and hard about the lives she took and the compassion shown to her that she herself did not give all those years ago.
If there is a Judgement in the next life... I sure wouldn't want to be in her shoes.  | |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 3:51:57 AM |
..I'm not entirely serious, this little creature of evil, and many just like her, should no longer be breathing the air we all enjoy...but at the same time, just why does Californians treat crime so lightly? Is it because so many suffer the mental delusion known as liberalism?
Well to be perfectly truthful.....I can't get over how utterly sick some people are.
Some lawyer guy married this woman ?? ? And some idiot woman actually had 4 kids with Charles Tex Watson .Sorry but life imprisonment should not include the business of courtship outside ,marriage and been able to have sexual rights etc etc Thats far too much compassion .
I feel pig pucking sick to think there are killers of this nature and others who will love a killer enough....bloody freaks !
And I am a liberal ...................................... | |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 8:39:14 AM | Now, now, now, friends, a lot of you are not following the RASOPOC! (Required American Standard Of Political Correctness) Stay after school and write on the board, All things All fair to ALL people under All circumstances All the time to ALL humans and All subhumans.
Viewed through the 20/800 vision of RASOPOC and our broken legal system, this whole mess was Sharon Tate's fault for not having an adequate lock on the door. She entrapped these people! Further, it was Kwikset Lock's fault for supplying faulty product. Further, it was US Steel's fault for supplying inadequate Manson proof steel components. Further, it was Pittsburg Coal and Iron's fault for supplying inadequate raw steel. Further, it was God's fault for putting low grade coal under the area of PCI's mine #3. So you can clearly see the whole Manson group have no liability here at all; they are mere victims of these forces at work..........
A pathetic foot note to all this is the fact that if this crime were to happen today in the USA, none of these people would serve a day in prison. They would be social victims idolized by our dumbed down celebrity worshipping culture, making the rounds of all the talk shows, and getting very rich from Movie/TV/Book royalties. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 10:55:15 AM | I'm disappointed in most of the commentators here. Evidently you don't know that you show compassion because it is good and right and it changes you for the better. Holding such strong hate in your heart isn't healthy, physically or emotionally. I'm coming from a viewpoint that most of the great religions share.
This woman is dying and by all accounts she has changed over the many years in prison. She was very young, strung out on hallucinogens and brainwashed by a psychotic cult leader. She is not that woman any longer and she certainly can do no harm to others, in any case, in the depleted condition is in. It is rage and retribution that motivates others to want her to remain in jail. It serves no other purpose, and in so-doing robs you all of your own humanity. Compassion is the only way we can heal what is wrong in our own hearts, whether shown toward those who have harmed us, or to a passing stranger. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 11:17:27 AM | When you rip a baby out of the womb of a sobbing, pleading mother you give up your right to expect any compassion.
Those people were butchered with kitchen utensils to show disdain for society.
Society returns the disdain. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 12:16:12 PM |
This woman is dying and by all accounts she has changed over the many years in prison. She was very young, strung out on hallucinogens and brainwashed by a psychotic cult leader.
Honestly,..In my views,...people who commit such Horriable crimes,..or those such as Robbery, and Rape,...should recievie DEATH,....as Punishment,..as to show the rest of society, and other Criminals, or people thinking of commiting Crimes of such nature,
that Society will NOT Tollerate such actions, and you will be Punished by DEATH,...
if YOU COMMIT such CRIMES,....
If it was up to me,...no one would sit in Prison very long if they committed Crimes of Rape, Robbery, or Murder,......there is no room in this world, for anyone who commits such Violent Crimes.
Consider all these Crimes of elderly little old Ladies, being brutaly beaten, and robbed
by grown men,....that we have been seeing on TV, to show the horrors of such crimes.
Imagine that little old Lady was your Mother,..and she was attacked and Robbed,....
or worse, died, from the assult........
I believe that the DEATH Penalty should be applied, to all who chose to break societies
Laws, if the crime is of an abusive nature,........
Muggers, Robbers,..Rapist,....Child Molesters/Killers,....Murders,.......have no place in our society.
With our Justice system, being so soft on Criminals,...it doesnt deter others from doing the same.
As in the Middle East,....a thief,..will have his hand cut off,.......sounds like justice, to me !
America,..should "GET TOUGH" on Crime,..if they truly want to deter it in the Future.
NOT,...Give Criminals,..more Rights, than Law Abideing Citizens ! | |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 12:51:56 PM | In 1969, what southeast Asian country was being bombed to shit by the US? During that time, how many pregnant women were blown to bits and burned alive?
Of course none of the mayhem is good. I'm just saying.
For the past 7 years the US has been occupying what Mideast nation, in the course fo which occupation many thousands of civilians have been maimed and killed?
I would never excuse one crime in light of another. But I am slower to condemn, somehow it seems odd, that the same people who would gladly support the insanity of unjust and illegal war get upset by the occasional murder in the suburbs.
OK, lets put it back out of proportion again.
The person that posted this can not be serious, or can he? | |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 12:59:43 PM | Nero:
I'm usually quite Left'ish, as most know who see me post on here. But my compassion runs out for people like this. Indeed we don't even see any Hollywood stars (many of whom knew Tate and Polanski) lobbying for "compassion" in this case. These people can all die in prison; "life without" is the appropriate level of punishment, IMO.
Yes, I'm kind of like you, Nero, usually quite "left'ish" but really not inclined to even consider favoring the release (on compassionate grounds or otherwise) of the Manson family murderers. I think that one of the reasons for that and one of the things that makes this such a fascinating AND terrifying case is that the murders were so random and (in themselves, in terms of the victims) motive-less. Sharon Tate and the others at that house died because someone was going to be killed and Manson had been in that house before (when he was hanging with one of the Beach Boys I think) and knew the lay out. I can't remember why the LaBianca's were picked--but the point is that there was NO REASON. I mean, there WAS a reason (the whole Helter Skelter, race war thing) in Manson's mind.....but it was completely by chance that these particular people would be killed. And especially in the case of an eight-month pregnant woman begging for her life and her baby's life....it's so chilling to imagine what kind of mind would simply kill her to kill her.....to kill her, even with with no personal enmity or hostility or hatred for the person at all. AND I can't imagine what it would be like to realize that you were being murdered for no reason....just because someone you have never met in your life and isn't even trying to rob you wants to kill you. It's both terribly personal but also so impersonal that it's more gruesome (and so much scarier) than if this was a crime of passion or revenge or SOMETHING. I think Susan Atkins once talked about killing Sharon Tate as doing her a favor ("You have to really love someone to do that for them" I think she said")..... YIKES!!!
Nope. I'm sorry for anyone to suffer and it sounds like Susan Atkins has a really terrible cancer, but I think she should end her days as peacefully as possible.... as a prisoner. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 1:06:13 PM | | I don't disagree at all with people's strong emotions, nor do I disagree with Atkins serving out her term. I am merely suggesting that compassion can be incredibly healing thing and that the extreme rage provoked by her getting out isn't good for those experiencing it. I was a kid when the Manson murders occurred and remember the horror of them well (although I can't understand why my folks would have allowed an impressionable and sensitive kid to have all the details). That crime was so horrible as to defy the senses. But I too think that the state-sponsored violence we have rained down on Iraq is equally horrific. There is a lot to be horrified by in the world. In such a world it takes incredible effort to maintain a passionate stance. I fail to do so myself, even though I believe it is a worthwhile thing to strive for. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 1:11:02 PM |
This woman is dying and by all accounts she has changed over the many years in prison. She was very young, strung out on hallucinogens and brainwashed by a psychotic cult leader. She is not that woman any longer and she certainly can do no harm to others, in any case, in the depleted condition is in
I'm normally quite left also, (shocking, I know), but I have to think of the families of the victims here. Imagine you're one of them and this woman is serving her sentence, you feel somewhat vindicated in the death of your loved one, and then Atkins gets cancer and gets let out? How unfair to them. I'm not calling for her to fry, but she's got to serve the sentence that was imposed upon her. Too bad, so sad. I'm sorry, but amidst the brainwashing and the hallucinogens, there had to be some tiny little voice in her head as she was carrying out the gory execution of Sharon Tate that told her "this is not right". It takes us a few minutes to read, but how long did Sharon's agony last? 10 minutes? An hour? Nope, sorry. I'm compassionate, but not a doormat. There's a difference. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2008 1:28:37 PM |
I'm disappointed in most of the commentators here. Evidently you don't know that you show compassion because it is good and right and it changes you for the better. Holding such strong hate in your heart isn't healthy, physically or emotionally. I'm coming from a viewpoint that most of the great religions share.
So am I actually.
I think many here do show a compassion towards Aitkens. I don't wish to see her die in agony, and I'm against capital punishment generally. I hope she's kept comfortable, and is treated reasonably well.
She's had a chance to live a long life, and has lived far better than many citizens do. Think of all the homeless people who have done no wrong that have no shelter, food, or medical care.
All I ask is that she's kept where she belongs in the meantime, until death.
In her case, I think that's quite a compassionate attitude towards her after what she was a party to. Her acts, and those of the others, were of such a horrific and brutal level of conduct towards a fellow human being that they cannot be judged by any normal level of compassionate treatment towards criminals.
When one crosses the line into "monster" territory, then one must accept one's fate. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2008 1:58:23 PM |
robs you all of your own humanity. Compassion is the only way we can heal what is wrong in our own hearts, whether shown toward those who have harmed us, or to a passing stranger.
A sane and compassionate society allowed her to live to a good old age .Fed her and clothed her and provided home comforts .Allowed her marriage .Only thing taken away was her "freedom".She just lost the right to freedom but she deprived human beings the right to life itself .
When I accept that kind of behaviour -thats when I loose my humanity .
When I forget that taking life is wrong .......thats where I loose my humanity and all notions of compassion. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2008 10:19:56 PM | I shudder even looking at a picture of Manson...evil.
Like another poster said- even on drugs- she couldn't stop herself??? Was she on drugs when she described what she did??? I don't think she should have even asked. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2008 11:22:25 PM | | I think it's absolutely wonderful that we've all found something we can agree on. I'm an extremely compassionate, forgiving person, and I don't believe in the death penalty, but there is no doubt that Susan Atkins is exactly where she is supposed to be and that is where she should stay. She has been given and is still being given far more compassion than she offered Sharon Tate and her baby. It is unfortunate that Susan is suffering from a terminal illness. Karma is a b i t c h that way. | |
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Posted: 7/19/2008 7:53:58 AM |
I think that one of the reasons for that and one of the things that makes this such a fascinating AND terrifying case is that the murders were so random and (in themselves, in terms of the victims) motive-less.
I agree. There was just something so random about the entire thing... he pulled the whole helter skelter plan out of his interpretation of a song, the victims were either "mistakes" or just chosen at random. The LaBiancas were "picked" simply because they lived next door to a house where the Family had attended a party the year before. The deaths of Sharon Tate and the rest at Cielo drive were actually a mistake... the intended targets were the home's previous occupants Terry Melcher (son of Doris Day and a record producer who had rebuffed Manson and his music) and his girlfriend of the time Candice Bergen.
And especially in the case of an eight-month pregnant woman begging for her life and her baby's life....it's so chilling to imagine what kind of mind would simply kill her to kill her.....to kill her, even with with no personal enmity or hostility or hatred for the person at all.
Exactly. I can't even begin to imagine what was going through any of their minds, torturing and killing people (especially those who had done nothing to you whatsoever) who are begging for their lives... it just boggles my mind.
I believe that some people are so inherently "broken" that they have no place among the rest of us. In those cases, the most "compassion" I can muster is that they die just as they are... so completely away from everyone else that nobody has to worry again whether they're at risk.
Susan Atkins should stay exactly where she is until she dies. After all, she's lived almost 40 years longer than the people she killed. | |
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| Manson follower wants compassion...........................
Posted: 7/23/2008 4:48:24 PM |
So you can clearly see the whole Manson group have no liability here at all; they are mere victims of these forces at work..........
Jeepers I was laughing so hard I almost spit out all of my electric kool-aid.
I know I will be voting for Charlie for President. We need more leaders that lead
OT maybe I missed this, but don't they have hospitals that prisoners go to? I thought that even prisoners of war received medical treatment.
If you are going to play a game, you really should know the rules and I don't think that any terminal illness makes you exempt. | |
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