| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/17/2008 3:28:18 PM | To the OP, you may believe that it is your right, earned or not, to judge others for the choices they make in life. The choices they make have absolutely no effect on you or your ability to live your life. Bottom line is though, that your judgmental ways will not serve you well in this life!! Fact is, they will leave you wallowing in self-pity in your golden years because you will not have any friends!!!! No one wants to spend their time with someone who is constantly judging others. People who do that turn people away, even family members. I truly believe you will come to regret your judgmental..."I'm better than they are" ways. Who knows, there may come a time in your life when you need help, and there will be no one around who cares enough for you to offer you that help.
You are young, with the time to take a close look at the way you act toward and think about others. My advice to you is that you change your tendencies before you lose those who are close to you. Words can do lasting damage. Be careful!! | |
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| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/17/2008 6:07:13 PM | No, no. Engineers are not knowledge-stupid, they're people-stupid. I haven't met many that can associate with a human being as well as they can with a calculator. There are exceptions, but I've always found it to be the rule. Another interesting thing I've noticed is that they tend to date nurses/nursing students. Must be Florence Nightingale syndrome.  | |
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| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/18/2008 5:45:13 AM | I'm glad I didn't go to university, seems to churn out a lot of shallow people that end up divorcing after their materialistic ways ruin them , least I have a personality , content , happy ,I just go with the flow, I have everything I want on 1300 bucks a month.. couldn't be happier , i don't worry about travelling, cars, big ass houses, or debt which I have zero
>>I'm glad you're happy. However, I'm not sure what TV show you got the idea from but people with a 4 year degree get divorced far less than people with only high school. And that correlation has only increased over past 4 decades. One of the key causes of divorce is financial problems. CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE MAKING SHIT UP. Thanks.
Your quote implies I got pregnant and got married. That is so far from the truth. I had already been out on my own, a member of the Canadian Armed Forces for a year, when I CHOSE to get married, followed by a family a few years later.
>>I didnt' imply anything. You ASSUMED I implied it. I didn't specify when you got pregnant, I just assumed that since you said housewife.
You are well educated but you seem to lack reasonable logic that the world needs people of lower education in order to fill the less wanted secular positions (general labour).
>>I agree these positions are absolutely necessary. But this idea comes from the cold hard logic of economics, which seems odd considering your impassioned assault on my posts. My only point was that your "argument" lacked cohesion. Furthermore, your only true point for most of that paragraph was how lovely these people make YOUR life. I don't think for a moment that you care about their lives any more than myself or anyone else. I'm not pompous for wanting people to achieve more. YOU are pompous for viewing these people only in terms of hour they serve you!
People who do that turn people away, even family members. I truly believe you will come to regret your judgmental..."I'm better than they are" ways. Who knows, there may come a time in your life when you need help, and there will be no one around who cares enough for you to offer you that help.
>> I would tend to agree with you on this, however, I do have PEERS, true equals who I judge on the same terms and do not find them wanting for more character/confidence/mental toughness. In fact not only my university classmates but other equally gifted professionals in other fields. I have a great deal of respect for these people.
No, no. Engineers are not knowledge-stupid, they're people-stupid. I haven't met many that can associate with a human being as well as they can with a calculator. There are exceptions, but I've always found it to be the rule. Another interesting thing I've noticed is that they tend to date nurses/nursing students. Must be Florence Nightingale syndrome.
>> I would say a lot of engineers are simply inexperienced with social things. They might be ugly, dress sloppy, talk kind of weird and do goofy/awkward things. However a lot of engineers are the opposite. Attractive, snappy dressers, witty, and social butterflies. The engineering salary helps, even in school, so they can buy their clothes and accessories and have money left to go to the bar.
As for the nurses thing, that could be just a McMaster thing. Hahaha. I have no idea why that is. | |
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| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/18/2008 6:55:13 AM | Learn to quote. Even uneducated dullards have figure out how to do that. That mishmash was difficult to decipher.
The nursing thing happens at Rye High, too. Being a social butterfly is too far in the other direction. It also shows a lack of ability to associate with people, hence the need to flit from one person to another.
Something occurred to me, though I hesitate to mention it for fear that it might offend some people thinking I'm making light of the condition. I think that perhaps some engineers are mildly autistic savants. The parts of the brain associated with higher math and cognitive skills are over-developed, while those used for social interaction wither.
Another possiblity is that some are sociopathic, that is suffering from dissocial personality disorder. I could cite one strong example, however I won't out of respect for his victims and their families and friends. Those with a little background will know who I'm talking about, and that incident lead to policy changes for engineering programs.
Education doesn't make you a good person. It doesn't even make you smart. It shows a capacity for learning, but even then, only in that form. Sometimes all it demostrates is the ability to regurgitate information, but not to apply or adapt it. I've known people with no education with skills that I couldn't imagine. I've also known people with years and years of post secondary education with no skills at all.
Money is not the actual cause of relationship failure when there are financial difficulties. It is the inability of those involved to rationally discuss it without playing blame games and belittling each other rather than finding a way out of the situation. Even a well educated sociopathic savant can find himself out of a job and fighting with his significant other.
On another more philosophical note, I wonder if megalomaniacs travel in packs, hence their inability to associate with we 'lower' humans. | |
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| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/18/2008 7:00:10 AM | Some people get a lot of satisfaction and motivation from being challenged in their career, others just get stressed out. Meaning that while you draw a lot of pride from having over come a high work load, others simply don't get the same rewards from the same investments.
It's a little bit like extreme sports. Some people draw immense satisfaction and euphoria from being kept alive by nothing but their mental and physical conditioning and make a lifestyle out of it. Other people just think that lifestyle is stupid because these people have a vary high chance of dieing at a young age because of their seemingly silly choice of vacation activities.
You can go ahead and judge a person lack of "achievement" in a negative way, or you can ask them why they chose another path and try to learn from the perspective of another person. If you wrote the OP just to confide in other people whom are also lamenting the loss of friend because they proved to be inferior people, then I think you might have better luck in the Mensa club (from what I've been told, this community is vary supportive of this sort of elitist gratification) | |
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| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/18/2008 8:27:10 AM | | you sound like a star trek guy that expects everyone to be a captin of their own ship. If you're doing so well, send me some money and then you can feel better about yourself. You sound as though you are the best out of your highschool because school comes easy to you. Lazy is lazy, but hey it's their life, if you want rich educated friends, maybe you shouldn't be on POF if you're so wantable.... | |
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| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/18/2008 8:32:37 AM | | I can't argue with that. That's was honestly insightful. So let me be frank as well, about 99% of the women on here don't interest me. But that percentage isn't really different outside of POF either so I didn't see any harm in making an account. | |
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| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/18/2008 9:12:18 AM | aaaah vainh I thought the same thing about the quote thing lol very difficult to decifer
I know a lot of people that hold positions in management by learning on the job...but from my generation you didn't need the degrees...you learned thru work experience
Damn you Markus Frind, 2 posts per 10 is a joke!
side note...the 2 in 10 is not a joke if you know the rule, similar to posting someones name in the forums...another rule | |
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Posted: 7/18/2008 9:27:32 PM | This has to be one of the most arrogant and ignorant topics I have ever read!!
Its no wonder those without "higher education or money" and those with (limited)"higher education and money" look so poorly on each other!
People like the OP who judge others based on their expectations are destined to be judged in the same manor..."People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
As I have a Masters and am working on my second Masters as well as a JD, I guess I should call the OP a loser because he only has a Bachelors... Maybe I can say he is not motivated because he doesn't own a house (without a mtg) or that his portfolio isn't large enough! (then again I don't know or care what he has, as it means nothing!)
My friends run the gamut, some are laymen others Phds, they know each other, don't judge each other based on their education or wealth..but are friends based on their common interests..
Maybe the OP and others who think like him, need to get out more and experience more people judging them based on who they are, not what they are!!
This goes both ways, for in my experience I have found just as many uneducated and "poor" who judge those with money/education, as I have the opposite..
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| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/19/2008 12:51:50 PM |
"Don't oversell yourself just because you know how to read books. Using your brain for logical thinking does not require an education in many cases. For example, I am glad there are less educated people because without them I would have to make my own coffee in the morning as opposed to going to Tim's; I wouldn't be able to enjoy being served food/drinks when on a date; there would be nobody selling cotton candy at the carnival ans worst of all.... I'd have to bring my own garbage to the landfill."
I don't understand how your examples clarify your first 2 sentences:
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Part A: You're not hot shit. Logical thinking doesn't require an education (which is wrong btw).
Part B: I love it that people are uneducated because they can serve me.
Being a computer programmer I'd think you'd catch on how to use the QUOTE feature here. Perhaps Greenize would be willing to bring you up to speed? | |
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| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/19/2008 3:04:56 PM | | I tried to read this whole thread but due to the high level of bullshit it contains ... I had to come up for air . What I dont get is ... who gives a shit how your old High school friends are doing , i would assume you would have known * how they were doing * if they were worth the continued contact over the missing years . To me it seems that this is an awesome thread for the folks that believe that he who dies with the most toys wins ... you do have my pity if this is your mind set . Life holds so much more in it than finacial wealth ... btw OP besides being a moron are there any other skills you would like to show off in the forums ? there is more to life than money , being RICH is not just about whats in your bank account ... there is family , friends , kids ... a few examples of what RICH is ... so many closed minded bitter people out there... its sad . OP good luck on POF , i hope you find nice sweet female that bleeds your account(s )dry =] have a good one champ | |
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| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/19/2008 8:44:19 PM | There are so many false stereotypes flying around this thread.
Lack of higher education doesn't necessarily mean you have a poor economic status.
Some of the people who poor your coffee and serve you actually DO have degrees....and a large number are also working towards them.
Not all engineers are nerdy.
A university education doesn't necessarily mean you will be successful in life, and a lack of one doesn't mean you won't.
The OP is judging other people according to his own standards and definition of success. The world would be a better place if we stopped believing ourselves to be better of others (people/cultures/religions/etc), and learned to appreciate the differences.
If you choose to fill your social circle with people just like you, so be it, but in my opinion, you're missing out on a lot of what life has to offer. | |
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Posted: 7/19/2008 10:26:31 PM | Hmmm, I just glanced over this thread quickly again, and I don't believe anyone said that engineers are nerdy. One person called them bone-headed, and I implied that they're mentally deranged. I've got first hand experience, witnesses, and anecdotes to back it up, but as I haven't met all engineers, you're half right in pointing out that I can't know what they're all like.
It's called hyperbole, and I find it more effective than prefacing every sentence with "I know that this isn't necessarily the case for every (fill in the topic), but..." However, I do thank you for your recap of basically everything that has already been said in the thread thus far. | |
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| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/20/2008 11:27:04 AM | | Be careful, Jackal84. Things have a way of unravelling very quickly. I've seen people like you turn into their worst nightmare. No matter what you accomplish in this life, it can be taken away faster than a blink of an eye. | |
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| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/20/2008 12:40:36 PM |
So let me be frank as well, about 99% of the women on here don't interest me.
This sounds way too juch like a troll posting. This thread should have been voted off the island long ago.
Too good for 99% of women----give us a break. | |
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| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/20/2008 2:32:40 PM | My final word of advice to the OP would be for him to spend some time among the homeless in downtown Toronto. Some of those in the lower rungs of society are there due to job loss, mental breakdown, substance abuse, and many other factors. They may have been ditch diggers, construction workers, professors, blue collar workers, and even government workers, before circumstances caused them to end up in the gutter. If you spoke to any of the social workers at the missions, along with some of the homeless themselves, you would discover that many of these street people do have University degrees, and sometimes more than one.
Why do I know this? Because I have been involved in inner-city outreach programs, both here in Guelph and in Toronto.
Don't be so smug, so sure that you will end up in a better situation than that of your friends. Money and education do not bring any guarantees that your life will be either easy, or without disappointment and struggle. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2008 4:13:21 PM | Cuddly,
Such words of wisdom are wasted on those with a grandiose sense of self. All the attention this thread has received has made a very insecure little man feel important. Hopefully he will one day see the light, but until then he will continue to pretend to himself that his accomplishments which are commensurate to his years on this planet give him the right to view himself as a superior being.
People who CHOOSE to be self centered and self absorbed lack the desire to be selfless, therefore outreach programs would not be the slightest bit interesting. His former friends ARE in a better situation than him because as he stated earlier, he no longer associates with them.
Best wishes ~ | |
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| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/20/2008 6:23:46 PM |
99% of the women on here don't interest me.
I feel the same way about the opposite sex on PofF and so do many of the members in Ontario and on the rest of this site even if they don't admit it.
OP I think you were a little harsh with your friends. Maybe they are late bloomers.
Cuddlybunny I don't feel any sympathy for people who have it good who lose it all because they are substance abusers. I have gone through hard times myself and I did not turn to drugs or alcohol. I didn't have a workplace EAP to help me. | |
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| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/21/2008 5:52:26 AM | Also for the record, I also value people who have things in common with me. The thing is that having an education and a good job is a somewhat of a base requirement to be able to do what I like to do. They are more likely to share similar interests, and not to mention have the funds to act on those interests. For example, say I like eating out at different restaurants often and clubbing at places with cover charges. In two instances, two ex-friends didn't want to go. One didn't want to pay cover so we went to a crappier bar on Hess and had a lousy time. The other, on a different occasion, wanted to wait until his "next paycheck" to go to the dim sum restaurant ($15 all you can eat). Now compare that to my engineering friends. We all have enough money to do whatever the hell we want. We can fly to BC to visit friends, we can go to Europe and we can certainly pay lousy cover and $15 to try a new restaurant.
It's not always about other people. You have to have standards in your own life. These people are a waste of time because they are slowing me down and bringing the amount of fun I can have down to a lower average. | |
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| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/21/2008 6:04:02 AM |
Do you guys have friends like that?
Jackal84 from your point of view at this stage of your life I would have qualified for #3 on your list, while not a library it was just a job, I lived from pay cheque to pay cheque and had my fair share of good times. Do I regret any of that, not much, I travel some made some friends, acquired a great deal of life experiences.
Three months ago I hired a graduate from the computer engineering program at Waterloo to join our engineering department, where he will be trained and with luck in not to distant future be a fine addition to our team
I would imagine there would lots of stories like that around.
Yes there are.
Only real thought I have after reading your further comments is that while I may not be around to see it, it would be interesting to hear your thoughts in 30 years after life’s twist of fate, luck, karma and your own choices have been applied.
just a couple thoughts | |
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| High school friends who never made anything of themselves
Posted: 7/21/2008 6:17:54 AM | I have a friend who went to university almost full scholarship ($5000 a year for 4 years in 1997) and finished a Bachelor in Physics with Honours. Got a NSERC ($19K a year for two years) for a two year Masters. dropped out before he finished his thesis. Now works at 'The Bay' selling mens ware.
I don't know why but I think he's happy at it. Maybe they're happy at it? | |
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