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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/25/2008 1:21:16 PM | I think it just has to do with who a person identifies with and against most strongly. Our political identity has much to do with who we identify as our predators in society.
How one does that has to do with a number of factors, including the economic level one is on, the one their family was on when they were growing up, their education level, ethnicity, location, religion and many other things.
It's apparent by the posts we're seeing that many people identify Obama with a (small)class of black people who are parasites and criminals in our society and fear that if elected, he'll advocate the interests of that class of people.
Conversely, many other people identify McCain with a (again small) class of white people who are parasites and criminals and fear that he'll advocate the interests of that class if elected.
I think the ones who fear McCain have a stronger case... | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/25/2008 3:19:43 PM |
There are people who are voting for McCain because they liked Bush, don't see McCain as a Bush-lite, or see him as the only reasonable alternative to a bankrupt Democratic candidate
I'm not sure as to what you mean by that. It's confussing?
in two places ~ people are voting for McCain because they liked Bush ~ I understand
and ~ don't see McCain as a Bush Lite ~ I understand ~ connected with a comma ~ I'm reaching. ~ "Bush Lite" hehe ~ I like that! thats cleaver as designingwomans "McSame Burger"
and ~ see him as a reasonable alternative to a bankrupt Democratic Candidate. ~
Is Omaba bankrupt? ~ Is the DMC bankrupt? ~ or are you suggesting DNC leadership will lead to backrupt and ruin for America ~Hmm~ kinda like the pickel we are in now under GOP leadership what? ~ 22 out of the last 27 years ~ Don't tell me! ~ Slick Willie did it. ~ Watch out for those Democrats! ~ They put something on you Grandmaw's soap won't take off.
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/25/2008 3:20:20 PM | | I doubt whites have anything to fear from Obama. He is about as black as Condoleeza Rice when it comes to being willing to stick one's neck out for one's "people". In other words, Obama isn't going to stick his neck out for his "brotha's" if it could taint his political career, IMO. As Jesse Jackson noted, he sometimes speaks down to lower class blacks and has certainly aligned himself with the white, elitist ruling class - which has admitted "some" blacks if they do and say the right thing. While I certainly would hope Obama would promote changes that help those in poverty, there is no reason to think he is going to do much specifically FOR people of color. I hope I'm wrong as I'd love to see a President advocate serious change and social justice. I don't know if Obama dares do so once he is has become the first African American President. That is an awfully big legacy with a lot of expectations attached and I believe he is well aware of this fact. | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/25/2008 3:22:43 PM |
Our political identity has much to do with who we identify as our predators in society.
I've never thought of it that way but I think it a wise and enlightening observation. | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/25/2008 3:39:23 PM | Let's see...
My father was third generation Irish Catholic, my mother second generation Italian Catholic. Neither finished college although both attended. My father was a police officer before and after WWII service in the USMC. I grew up in a neighborhood of small brick houses with garages far out in middle-American white bread suburbia. Early on it was understood that if I was smart enough to go to college there would be a way, scholarships or the GI Bill (student loans were anathema...we didn't have car loans and keeping a mortgage more than 10 years was profligacy). We had enough for food and clothes and utilities and a used Rambler every couple of years. So who do I identify as a predator in society??? Of course I also served 20 years in the Army and was involved in four interventions, was wounded once but not seriously. Who does my demographics say I should vote for? | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/25/2008 4:12:51 PM |
Who does my demographics say I should vote for?
If you're like most people, you identify not as strongly with whom to vote FOR as much as whom to vote AGAINST.
Rarely do we have alot in common with people who run for president. At least, I don't. How many of us went to school with Dubyah or Clinton, etc, etc???
... and if we did, would we trust them now that they're prime time politicians?
Thus, as many people have observed, we usually vote for "the lesser of two evils" rather than someone we actually trust. | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/25/2008 10:26:12 PM | I've found a wonderful video today in CNN's breaking news column. I thought I would share it with those of you who are interested. It would seem the PUMA's, (Party Unity My Ass), as they are referred to, are giving Obama an exceedingly hard time. Now I know they aren't the Hillraisers, but they are along the same lines; furthermore, there appears to be literally millions of them. I think they are much bigger than the Hillraisers. You'll find this video to be surprising and it answers, better than I ever could, so many of the questions that people have asked again and again on this thread and others about why and how a Hillraiser could support John McCain. Enjoy!
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/07/22/pop.puma1.cnn | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/26/2008 4:20:35 AM | I don't see how that video answers any questions that haven't already been discussed. It's the same lines over and over again. "We don't know where he was born or what religion he is"...."he's inexperienced"....."he didn't win fair and square"...."I'll be voting for McCain even though it goes against my democratic ideals...and it is a bitter pill".
And I do not see where you get the idea that there are millions of them. I think the only difference between the Hillraisers and the PUMA's are that the Hillraisers (as per your own original post) are former fundraisers who are bitter, and the PUMA's are just plain 'ole voters who are bitter. The founder talked about the nomination process and said that anyone who thinks Florida and Michigan were just jockeying to be first in line doesn't know anything about the story behind Florida and Michigan. That's factually incorrect, as were pretty much all of the other interviews they showed.
I did not find that video to be surprising. I did not find it to be anything new and fresh, either. So, thanks for that 5 minutes of my life I'll never get back.  | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/26/2008 7:28:46 AM | Don’t you find it amusing to see an idiot on the news saying that he’s a “passionate democrat for 18 years” and “ I never voted for anything but democrat” then turns around and says “I will personally vote for John McCain” followed by “it’s good for the greater picture and good for the long term of the democratic party.” This from the leader himself???
So the message of PUMA is basically vote for McCain because it will be better for Democrats in the long run???
Will Bower (leader of PUMA), actually quit his job in July to oversee PUMA. Either this guy has serious mental problems or he his remunerated through undisclosed funds.
It’s quite obvious that PUMA is a backed GOP group who’s out there to feed the un-informed and the morons all the bullshit they can to create mayhem so some can switch to the republican party. There’s even a woman still questioning Obama’s religion and where he was born! I thought that most would’ve had that right since allllllll the information that was passed on since last winter. WOW!!!
The stupidity of people is astonishing. Mind you, considering that half the country voted a second time for Bush, nothing and I mean NOTHING surprises me anymore. | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/26/2008 10:27:52 AM | Vote AGAINST McCain:
Immature: Making light of bombing a country with his stupid "Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran" ditty.
Bad temper. Many examples of this can be found on line. He is too emotionally unstable to be president and handle the stresses of the job effectively.
More of Bush's BS ideas: Wants to make Bush's tax cuts for the rich permanent, which would force us to continue borrowing from China and the Saudis. The stupid borrow and spend thinking MUST GO. Tax appropriately and spend was what Bush Sr and Bill Clinton did, and we need to return to that. Fiscal irresponsibility has been our ruin of late, weakening both the US dollar and the economy.
McCain also would do very poorly as far as representing our nation.
To the veteran who asked who to vote for: McCain wants to take away veterans' benefits and is basically a conservative jerk who doesn't care about veterans, teachers, children, the poor, the elderly, students and anyone else in need.
Obama: A fine representative to the rest of the world, stable, mature, has concern for everyone in this nation and will return to proper fiscal policy which will strengthen our economy.
Vote FOR Obama 2008!! | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/26/2008 3:16:23 PM | Maybe there is truth that women voters are too "emotional and unsteady for political office"
If a female democrat is pro-life and wants to vote McCain then that is fine by me, but for anyone who is Pro-Choice, then a vote for McCain is idiotic.
I don't dislike Hillary but I feel that 2 terms of Bill Clinton is enough and I don't want to see Bill within 10 feet of the White House ever again and according to the constitution, he can't be "in charge" anymore.
I almost feel that Hillary waited too long to run for president. She would have had huge momentum in 2004 especially after the 2000 Florida debacle. Now most Americans want to break from the past. I would also like to see her as a governor because Senators are cautious but governors are leaders. | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/26/2008 4:47:48 PM |
The stupidity of people is astonishing. Mind you, considering that half the country voted a second time for Bush, nothing and I mean NOTHING surprises me anymore.
 Ain't that the damn truth. What's more amazing, still, is hearing how many would vote McLame into office, simply because he's A) a white boy, B) he's a Republican, C) cuz he aint' that black guy D) cuz Hillary lost the nomination. I mean, really. How much more insane can people get? This economy is near collapse, largely due to our present administrations failings on so many different tangents, and yet, some here are still planning on voting for him. I wonder, of those voting McLame, how many are in foreclosure on their homes, lost jobs or been handed pink slips because their employer has run out of work, or are having a difficult time putting food on their tables. That's the insidious nature of the rightwing coalition, that people will fight incessantly for their captains long after the boat has already gone underwater. How devoted.
I just have to laugh my A$S off at the stupidy of them, all the while pointing the finger at their leaders for disregarding their needs. Deomcrats had no part in that demise they are suffering, as I'm quite sure, there's a plenty in here. | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/26/2008 6:35:49 PM |
This is so old and tiring....because people can't stand what Obama's about, automatically means their a Republican or Racist! Then with this mind set anyone who doesn't vote for McCain is a Democrat or Racist!
If anything holds true in your arguement then blacks would be Racist since they overwhelmingly are voting for Obama...not the White guy Please stop playing the race card all the time it becomes meaningless when it has no merit!
I would like to point out that many Blacks voted for bill Clinton and other White Democrats in the past so you can stop with the theory that blacks are racist.
I don't think any pro-choice Democrat will vote for McCain, ever. There might be an element of racism because I would think that many of these white female democrats would support John Edwards if he was the nominee and Edwards had the same amount of experience as Obama.
I think a lot of woman can't accept defeat is because they feel Hillary deserved the nomination and she put in the time. She put up with her husband and stayed married despite his many affairs. She served 7 years in the Senate. But in reality she was a paper champion and legacy who never accomplished very much on her own. She did act entitled and her supporters felt they were entitled to the victory. The media annointed her the winner after all the early polls. But then the voters on the ground realized there was still primaries and they don't like being told what to do or how to think.
Obama is a risk, but I believe he will pick an experienced VP.
After 8 years, the American people are tired of old politics and legacies. | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/26/2008 6:52:18 PM |
After reading lots of political threads on POF I have come to a conclusion that Democrats on this forums outnumbers Republicans by 2 to 1. (Btw, I also visit another non-dating forum where Repubs outnumber Demos. I'm 500% independent). It made me wonder, why are more democrats single than republicans? Is it some inherent qualities that keep more democrats single???
I'm also wondering, will my chance to get a date here improve if I start supporting democratic candidates, as we all know 'most' women are democrats?
There are about 55% women in the Dem party and the GOP has less than 45% women. But more women are Democrats because they are Pro-Choice.
Most White Males are Republicans or at least Reagan Democrats whose main objective is lower taxes on everything. Business owners want lower business taxes and blue collar males want lower income taxes. This shows how the GOP has destroyed the blue collar unions power and its ironic because Business owners and blue collar workers usually have opposite goals.
BTW, Obama rallies are great places to meet young women from what I hear. | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/26/2008 7:45:27 PM |
almost feel that Hillary waited too long to run for president. She would have had huge momentum in 2004 especially after the 2000 Florida debacle. Now most Americans want to break from the past. I would also like to see her as a governor because Senators are cautious but governors are leaders.
How about a Supreme Court Judge? ~~!!!! from my lips to your ears
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/27/2008 1:44:42 AM | I am beginning to feel Clinton should select Gen Wesley Clark as her running mate against McCain in November.
We could do a lot worse than that, and he isn't a Washington, long-term, insider. But he is an expert on international, global conflict, and if anyone could get to the bottom of the mess in Iraq, and trim away all the BS, Clark would be the guy. He'd make a very viable partner for Clinton over the next 8 years. By then he might even make a very capable Chief Executive himself.
Hillary will have some hard choices to make, and soon! But I hope she leans toward General Clark. I'd also like to see the other Clarke, Richard Clarke, the terrorism expert, back in the White House again. If Bush and Rice had actually listened to him, 9/11 may have never become the harsh reality it did. But since he had former ties to Clinton, he was largely snubbed and shut down in the Bush White House, where good judgment invariably abounds..
Clinton/Clark 2008! YES! On the road to Recovery!  Now THERE'S a Bandwagon worth jumping on! Not all is necessarily lost just yet.
-Suth'nBoy 
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/27/2008 4:57:18 AM | Pssst...Suthn boy....wake up! It's a new day! The sun is shining, the birds are singing, and it is Sunday July 27, 2008. Let's regroup.
The reason Hillary did not release her delegates was so she could pay off her massive campaign debt. I'm not sure the standing on that, but I say Hillary...."Let my people go"!
She will not be choosing General Wesley Clark for her 'running mate', unless they are running to Starbucks for the clearance blowout.
Her hardest choice right now is where to go from here. "Here" is not a place you want her to be, but 'here' is where she's at. She's still a Senator. She has vast choices, and vast opportunities, but she will not be your next president. Sorry to break the news. | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/27/2008 5:58:02 AM | Hahaha! I see you haven't been reading this thread lately, or maybe it's just that you're reading it in reverse. .
You see, your guy is losing ground rapidly. He's almost in a downward spiral! Okay? Try to keep up now!
The Dems need a strong set of candidates for November in order to win. And right now they don't have that. So there are a lot of movements going on out there to draft one that actually CAN WIN, (as opposed to losing), and to get them nominated and put on the ballot, instead of that which some have been more or less assuming would be the case, until recently.
Don't you want your party to win the election? Isn't that the most imporant thing?
Okay, well then you need to alter your direction and get behind a winner! The Obama bandwagon has stopped in it's tracks and it is beginning to roll the other way. When you snooze you lose!  Get on board..
-Suth'nBoy 
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/27/2008 6:06:34 AM | I see you still have not woken up to the new day.
RCP Average 07/07 - 07/25 -- 46.5 41.7 Obama +4.8
Gallup Tracking 07/23 - 07/25 2710 RV 48 41 Obama +7.0
Rasmussen Tracking 07/23 - 07/25 3000 LV 49 43 Obama +6.0
FOX News 07/22 - 07/23 900 RV 41 40 Obama +1.0
NBC/WSJ 07/18 - 07/21 1003 RV 47 41 Obama +6.0
CBS News/NY Times 07/07 - 07/14 1462 RV 45 39 Obama +6.0
ABC News/Wash Post 07/10 - 07/13 LV 49 46 Obama +3.0
That doesn't look like someone who is getting sucked under by the all-wise and powerful McCain.
Dreamland is a fun place to be, but sometimes we must wake up. | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/27/2008 6:43:30 AM | eeeo4u,
Your demographics lack one vital piece of information for determining who you "should" vote for. That would be are you a taxpayer? Because a taxpayer voting for Obama would be like a chicken voting for Col Sanders. | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/27/2008 7:06:58 AM | Who's talking about McCain?? Did you actually say "all powerful? ??? 
Dreamland is a fun place to be, but sometimes we must wake up.
Soooo, so true.. I've been trying to get you turned around for a while though. So I've pretty much done the best I could.. I guess it must be the long-term effects of drinking the Kool-Aid, way back there.. (sigh)
But here's the good news. Doesn't matter if you vote for him or not. As a civilian, but only making it to the wannabe stage, he isn't likely to have a very profound affect on life as we know it anyway.
-Suth'nBoy
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/27/2008 7:21:42 AM |
But here's the good news. Doesn't matter if you vote for him or not. As a civilian, but only making it to the wannabe stage, he isn't likely to have a very profound affect on life as we know it anyway.
Well at least he made it this far. Isn't this where Hillary and her followers so, so desperately wanted her to be?
Well, she can go back to the senate. What is she, something like the 39th ranked Democrat senator? An admirable position, and probably where she belongs.
Unlike Obama, running for president. | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/27/2008 7:32:54 AM | Well that would be a turn of events ~ for sure ~ I can't see it happening though.
It like some are already counting Obama out! ~ I sure don't see that either.
There is pleanty of time for mistakes to be made on both sides at this point in the games. ~ What if McCain had a stroke? ~ or Obama got hurt in some way?
I think ~ I know the outcome of any debates ~ but still look forward to them. ~
Mc Cain doesn't stand a chance in hell ~ but it won't matter to his supporters.
Somehow ~ someway ~ Obama will be cited as "throwing someone under the bus" or flip flipping~ LOL
Remember ~ they voted for ~ Bush ~ and he can't chew gum and walk at the same time. ~ So all McCain has to do is just "show up".
People are voiceing ~ conserns for government spending ~ seems it's less about the money spent but what it's spent on. ~ We like to spend money on bombs and bullets, but hate to spend money on children. ~
The current sitting GOP adminstration ~ has spent more money then any before him ~ and what do we have to show for these expenitures? And Obama could do worst?
It'd be hard to do worse ~
I'm not into any give aways ~ undeserving people ~ need to stay under the bridge in their card board box as far as I'm conserned. ~ There will always be people like that ~
Charity starts at home ~~ and if they don't have a caring family ~ there is usally a good reason for it.
But health care , trade imbalances, emigration and engery dependancy need to be address ~ I want to hear about these things ~ I give a crap about Iraq. ~
and that all I hear about ~ IraQ! ~ get it done there! ~ drop off the key! leave.
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/27/2008 7:52:08 AM | | I think Hillary should start her own political party. I don't think that her supporters are Democrats anyways. Isn't the Green party and Ralph Nader party looking for a candidate? Who knows, maybe McCain will pick Hillary as VP and then she will take over when he croaks. | |
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