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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/22/2008 8:58:10 PM |
Is anyone watching the news today? Slam dunk for Obama in Afghanistan and Iraq. The leader of Iraq was happy to see him and said that he 'shares his view' on getting the troops out by 2012.
The troops were happy to see him as well. And the videos that you're seeing of Obama with the troops? Those were not sent in by reporters, they were sent in by soldiers. Obama said anytime he met with the troops, none of the reporters that came with were allowed
The video was by the Military >>>>>>>>>>>>>>A little managed news.... Fake interviews......
2012 is not 16 months.....
Barack Obama Fake Coverage
Andrea Mitchell on the Hardball with Chris Matthews program:
Let me just say something about the message management. He didn’t have reporters with him, he didn’t have a press pool, he didn’t do a press conference while he was on the ground in either Afghanistan or Iraq. What you’re seeing is not reporters brought in. You’re seeing selected pictures taken by the military, questions by the military, and what some would call fake interviews, because they’re not interviews from a journalist. So, there’s a real press issue here. Politically it’s smart as can be. But we’ve not seen a presidential candidate do this, in my recollection, ever before.
Being a reporter who was not present in any of those situations, I just cannot report on what was edited out, what was, you know, on the sidelines. That’s my issue. We don’t know what we are seeing.
.........Mitchell makes the point that nobody knows how many outtakes it took to make a basketball hoop and nobody knows if he was heckled elsewhere. Matthews wonders why most of the faces in the crowd shots are black. In reality most of the troops in Afghanistan are white.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25799444 | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/22/2008 10:26:42 PM | Darned Democrats anyway Barbe!!
All they seem to want to do is get married!!
Then, once hitched up, they start with the pressure to convert you..
I suspect it's all part of a Master Plan to take over the world! One voter at a time.
-Suth'nBoy
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Posted: 7/23/2008 3:40:14 AM |
.........Mitchell makes the point that nobody knows how many outtakes it took to make a basketball hoop and nobody knows if he was heckled elsewhere. Matthews wonders why most of the faces in the crowd shots are black. In reality most of the troops in Afghanistan are white.
I saw Chris Matthews that night, and the interview with Andrea Mitchell. Your spin on it is totally different than the one I got. The text is a little bungled from the actual interview. Nobody knows how many outtakes it took to make the basketball hoop....yes...that's definitely something on the minds of every American. Matthews did wonder why the majority of the audience seemed to be black. And Mitchell said she could not report on it because the reporters are not allowed in when he's talking to the troops, and she did not have any demographic numbers on the troops. She also made it sound totally different than your quote, however. She made it sound like Obama wanted a moment of 'privacy' with them. The video you see is sent in by the troops.
I guess it's good to look at things from different perspectives, but keep in mind that there always is another side to it. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 6:15:22 AM | It looks like a big ad........ The video was from some Pvt in the crowd?
sure....
Private time... sure
"MITCHELL: I can't really say that. Being a reporter who was not present in any of those situations, I just cannot report on what was edited out, what was, you know, on the sidelines. That's my issue. We don't know what we are seeing."
Open door is a very good policy....
The DNC in Denver has the SAME managed organization.
Free speech zones 100's of yards out... Parade permits maybe maybe not.......
Obama is more like Bush than McCain is......
RNC protest and parade go within 50 ft of convention...
"keep in mind that there always is another side to it."
What is the other side if it is censored? | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 11:08:09 AM | Oh! ~ I think it's a race issue ~ and the funny thing is ~ he's as much white as black.
Thats just the way the people feel about it. ~
and it could give McCain the White House ~
one more time ~ the American people get just what they want and deserve. Then whine and cry cause they got it years later.
If the GOP don't clean up their act ~ and continues down the path of special interest and gobalization ~ Mexico or Canada is looking good.
I need some fresh air and room top breath without asking permission.
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/23/2008 11:15:14 AM |
Nobody knows how many outtakes it took to make the basketball hoop....yes...that's definitely something on the minds of every American.
Oh, absolutely. Ya know, come to think of it, we don't know how many takes it took for Obama to get that gutterball at the bowling alley back in the primaries-- just to make him look somewhat flawed and more "human." | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 11:40:49 AM | I've DVRed the last few days to go back and review...for my own sake actually...just to know if the 'biased' is there.
Here is what I've found:
MSNBC (Matthews and Mitchell specifically) were happy, smiles, on an Obama lovefest. Now, today, after all the backlash on the public's view of biased MSNBC, etc. Andrea Mitchell is not smiling. She was visibly strained and angry when she had to do an interview with an Iraq Specialist here.... where the Specialist stated firmly how could Obama change so quickly and be in line with Bush's position... when he supposedly is about 'Change'. The Specialist said that McCain has been on the correct path all along. Andrea Mitchell was visibly angry. Then, her mic goes off and she is jabbering, but, can't hear her. The Iraq Specialist got the last word in.
Will see what Chris M. does later.
Reason is because the other Anchors here in the states are putting the Anchors with Obama on the spot and Obama is not looking good.
It's like a war within the ranks of MSNBC going on. And, you know FOX is loving this because they have covered both sides all along and now MSNBC is being forced to if they want the ratings. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 2:40:14 PM | I haven't turned the news on yet since I've been home, but Chris Matthews comes on at 7, we'll see what happens tonight. As for the rest of it, you're full of it. B- for effort, though.
From the NYT by an AP writer:
But it’s not pro-Obama bias in the news media that’s driving the effusion of coverage, it’s the news: Mr. Obama’s weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a presidential candidate act so presidential overseas. Mr. Obama looks supremely confident and at home talking to generals and heads of state, so much so that some viewers may find the pose presumptuous — as if Mr. Obama believes that not only is his official nomination at the Democratic convention in August a mere formality, so is the November election.
Mr. Obama’s stops in Afghanistan, Iraq and Jordan provided arresting video of the candidate being mobbed by American troops, surveying terrain by helicopter alongside Gen. David H. Petraeus and holding talks with Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki of Iraq and King Abdullah of Jordan. When posing for an official photograph with a foreign leader, Mr. Obama often places his hand paternally on the other man’s arm, subliminally signaling that though a visitor, he is the real host of the meeting. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 9:12:27 PM |
.... where the Specialist stated firmly how could Obama change so quickly and be in line with Bush's position... when he supposedly is about 'Change'
What's cute is how 'Bush'ers want to keeeeep pluggin the war, and how Obama is this or that, the present topic being how Obama has now come to understand Bush's masterful plan of war, and how he's somehow now aligning himself after being 'lost' for so long. That's nothing more than a moist pile of Cow Dung.
Obama, the one speaking for CHANGE... is not blinded by everything else for the sake of the occupation in Iraq. His premise is to do away with the backdoor lobbyist who are in control of Washington, who buy their way through the legislative process. His premise is to restructure America, to provide more hope and opportunity for the poor or underpriviledged, to improve.... really ... improve our public schools (Unlike Bush's "NO Child Left Behind") and to do his part to end the bureaucratic bullsh!t that thwarts our Country; things like stopping the outsourcing of hundreds of thousands of jobs overseas, or shoring up our borders, and dealing effectively with the overwhelming immigration problems we're faced with. It's about finding a solution to the fact that nearly HALF of this Country goes without medical coverage, and that millions of children and adults go to bed hungry each night.
It's not JUST about Iraq, Aghanistan, or Iran, but about the dreadful issues in Darfur and elsewhere, that truly need our attention. It's not [JUST about the cost of gas, but it very well has much to do with our dependancy on it, and our need for renewable or non-carbon based fuels. It's about bringing our Country back to the American people, out of the hands of the elitist who've robbed us of every last breath, thusfar. We're borrowing 2 billion every day from China to pay for oil in the middle-east. It's insane that we've gotten to this level, that we've been downtrodden one little step each and every day, for 8 years, and it's time we turn our thoughts and minds to something that will actually work for us.
THESE .... are the changes Obama stands for, not JUST his position regarding the 'occupation' of Iraq. Sure, Bush has gotten us in a world of shit over there, and now someone has to come in and do something about it. But it isn't just about oil, or Iraq, or the Persian Gulf. It's about restoring our Country and getting rid of the dictatorial leadership we've been force-fed for the past 8 years. | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/24/2008 10:09:15 AM | AMEN Mane Rider
We have fixated on Iraq for far too long. Obama is the man we need to fix this mess that Bush and its minions have put us in. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2008 10:31:43 AM | Mitchell and Matthews, along with several others at MSNBC, such as Keith Olbermann and Chuck Todd, have long-since been fanatical Obama supporters too. To the point where they've even let their professional credibility as jouralists slip into the dumpster.
Matthews said on the Tonight Show that Obama speaking, gives him weird tingles down his leg, (Whatever that means), and he wasn't making a joke..  Leno quickly changed the subject.
This is a strange phenomenon going on to be sure. But thankfully more and more seem to be snapping out of the frenzy-mindset, and analyzing the situation with more logic..
-Suth'nBoy
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/24/2008 3:50:20 PM | With few ~ exceptions ~ most all these talking heads have annoyed the crap out of me one time or another. ~
Lou Dobbs ~ is suppose to be an "independent"
Months ago ~ he was making me throw up ~ He had everything but "Bushy"tatooed on his for head.
Now he's swung the other way ~ making me very ill. ~ They are for SELL ~ it commentary ` ~and these "Specialist" ~ Good Grief ~ where do they come from? ~
Now thats a job that I want! ~ 70 % are pure idiots ~ so the station is pay good money for 30% of them to be there. ~ and you are buying it ~~ sucking it up! I wouldn't trust some of those people to take out the garbage ` ~ they'd have it everywhere.
Now for as rating ~ ? ~ If you consider the highest rated~ you are looking at what is the most appealing to people working at a 5 grade level ~ which has been Fox ~ and I do agree with your observation ~ some of the other programs have "dumbed down" in hopes of higher rating. This too was making me somewhat sickened ~ until I started considering it comedy ~ now I love it! ~ like I do some of the posts here.
Some people ~ just make my day complete.
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/24/2008 7:52:31 PM | Specifically for the Hillraisers and those other folks out here that enjoy a forum that proves that the Democrats are extremely divided against one another; furthermore, just check out how many ex Hillary supporters are posting here. Add up the numbers yourself and then think about all the votes! We're going to rock come November and give John McCain a big win:
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/forumdisplay.php?f=84
Hillraisers and others for Senator John McCain in November!! 
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/25/2008 7:49:43 AM | | Southernlass...I wouldn't be so sure of a McCain win, not with the polls as they are today. I am a huge fan of Hillary and have stated publicly that I don't know that I can vote for Obama. In the end, though, the more I hear about McCain, the more convinced I am he is wrong for America. So, rather than be naive about the impact of my vote, I am likely to vote for Obama. While he may have gotten the nomination through manipulations by the DNC and while I don't like his move to the middle, it is a far cry better than McCain and I can't doom my country to another 4 years of Bush-lite. I love my country too much to let the election lead to another 4 years of the domestic and international travesty that we've had for the past 8. Any republican with half a brain should feel ashamed of the Bush Presidency and will vote outside their party. Of course, I don't minimize the number of ignorant people in our country - there are many, but there are many others who are waking up! | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 8:03:24 AM | So in other words, you think that people who haven't come to the same conclusion as you are "ignorant", brainless and asleep? Wow.
There are people who are voting for McCain because they liked Bush, don't see McCain as a Bush-lite, or see him as the only reasonable alternative to a bankrupt Democratic candidate.
How'd you like it if people who didn't agree with your position called you ignorant? Bet it wouldn't feel too good. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 8:09:47 AM | McCain has become a whiner. Since Obama has been abroad. Instead of McCain talking about 'why we should vote for him'. All I hear him doing now is whining. That is really getting on my nerves.
He maybe could have passed Obama in the polls if he we just talk about the facts. I had to stop watching, because McCain has had a chance to shine and he has been a complainer.
We will see when Obama returns. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 8:14:51 AM | Fly writes..
So in other words, you think that people who haven't come to the same conclusion as you are "ignorant", brainless and asleep?
I probably would have used adjectives like...... disgruntled.... yes, but it seems rather ignorant, if you asked me, to side with Mccain, if your political views are more left leaning.
I think many................. or at least a few......... are soooo pissed right now that Hillary didnt' take the nomination, that they'll sabotage whatever small part they have, just to have some glimmer of revenge. THAT seems ignorant.
And I would say those who would follow McCains stance do exude some level of......... Bush-lite fever. You can't help but do so. It's abundantly clear AND .......it's to McCains demise that he cannot separate himself from it. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 9:39:13 AM | I'm voting for McCain because I think Obama would be a sucky President. McCain would not have been my first choice. Hillary was my first choice. But McCain was my second choice. So I'm voting for him.
See how that goes?
In the polls McCain is closing in on Obama, as can be seen here:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
I think once the conventions are over and the election goes into full swing, McCain will pick up the pace.
See how I did that without indicating at all that your choice was stupid? You should try it. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 9:57:49 AM | | I make no apology and stand by my comment. McCain is not the next best candidate to Clinton. That is an absurd position to take. I won't list all of McCain's deficits, but given the damage Bush has done to the U.S., and given McCain aligning himself with Bush on all major issue, it is idiotic to support him. I could argue the finer points, but I don't have a lot of respect for those who don't have the capacity for reasoned thought. So, McCain's your guy....bully for you. He is dangerous for America, but I don't suppose that plays into it. I find it near impossible to believe any true Hillary supporter would cast a vote for McCain who is the opposite of everything Hillary stood for. It is the height of absurdity, bordering on sociopathic. Those voting for McCain were died in the wool Repugnicans all along. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 10:10:18 AM | You're certainly entitled to your own opinion, Green Sangha. There are millions of people who disagree with you, myself included, but we all agree that it's your right to express yours.
Personally, I think it's Obama who is the opposite of everything Bill and Hillary Clinton stand for and I'm not alone. There are millions of people who feel the same and I think you'll note how true this is come election day. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 10:30:41 AM | Lou Dobbs ~ is suppose to be an "independent"
Months ago ~ he was making me throw up ~ He had everything but "Bushy"tatooed on his for head.
Now that's just plain hilarious!  Lou Dobbs is no more of a Bush supporter than is Hillary Clinton! He often says Bush is the most incompetent president he's ever seen. And his "moral outrage" about how this country has been run from this White House and by the current bumbling administration, is extremely clear.
But that comment was still good for a chuckle at least. 
-Suth'nBoy
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Posted: 7/25/2008 10:48:18 AM | It's quite true there are some in these threads who try to make it personal, insulting and calling people names for having opinions that are different from their own. 
Just because somebody doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean they are stupid, nor does it mean that you, the infamous name-caller/finger-pointer/antagonist, are smart! In fact name-callers and antagonists are usually NOT very smart.  That's why they use such silly tactics! They don't know any better! 
It certainly doesn't make the name-caller's case any stronger. Quite the opposite actually, It only makes them appear substantially less credible. They are merely grabbing at straws, in the absence of any kind of substance.
Notably, many of those seem to be more in one political camp than the other. Why that is, is a bit of a mystery...
-Suth'nBoy 
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Posted: 7/25/2008 10:58:47 AM | The incongruity of 'switching' from voting for Clinton to voting for McCain has been beaten to death on these threads. It makes no sense to those of us with a personality structure that remains relatively stable over time. It is incredibly disingenuous to say this to a new poster when this has been pointed out over and over again. I can see plenty of reasons why people vote for McCain but haven't really found one (except for maybe the 'experience/trust' argument) that explains this switch. So heck yeah!!! Vote for experience!! God willing McCain will remember where he wrote that down too....
Obama '08 | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/25/2008 12:33:35 PM |
I can see plenty of reasons why people vote for McCain but haven't really found one (except for maybe the 'experience/trust' argument) that explains this switch.
But, as a rational woman, teachpeace, you are only considering rational reasons. I reckon that the most common reason of all for the anti-Obama, Clinton-to-McCain jump voter is also the most irrational.....and the most vociferously denied. | |
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| The Hillraisers just won't fold
Posted: 7/25/2008 1:00:17 PM | | ^^ It's emotional, I tell ya, purely emotional. (Ok, I was going to say hormonal....but emotional sounds better). And as I've said before, anyone letting their emotions guide their decision will be just about as happy as we are now with the president "you can sit down and have a beer with". | |
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