| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/22/2008 7:54:06 PM |
id like to know-
just who IS forcing you to buy drinks for the ladies anyhow?
just because you walk into a bar that is deemed "ladies night" does not mean you have to give up your wallet to every "tail" (as its affectionately nicknamed) in the bar.
im at the title of this thread-it should be renamed "men who buy into ladies night are dumb"
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/22/2008 8:11:50 PM | men who buy into ladies night are dumb
Absolutely! You are being used for your wallet and then complaining because you are being used! How stupid can you get? LOL
Ever wonder why really high end clubs dont have a ladies night?
If you want a woman who will treat you well, fish in holes where quality women exist and they dont exist in bars on ladies nights. 
There would be no negotiating, cause sweety, you probably couldnt afford me.
I rest my case. | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/23/2008 1:38:30 AM |
I love how once again you have evaded the simple question I asked: What are the barriers in place that are keeping men out of the nursing field? I don't understand why you can't answer this. It sounds like YOU are the one who is unwilling to address an issue.
What barriers were preventing women from being firefighters if they could do the job and pass the testing same as anybody else? Didn't stop whiny women insisting they shouldn't have to be able to carry a 200Lb unconscious person out of a fire.....but they should get paid as much as someone that can. You deflect and try to justify while going off topic. This is the last time. If you can't yet see that what is good for one should also be good for the other by your age you never will.
Absolutely! You are being used for your wallet and then complaining because you are being used! How stupid can you get? LOL
Ever wonder why really high end clubs dont have a ladies night?
If you want a woman who will treat you well, fish in holes where quality women exist and they dont exist in bars on ladies nights.
OMFG, 
How many pages and finally someone that echos what I said right off in my 1st 2 posts.
Doesn't change that it is sexual discrimination under the guidelines in both Canada and the US though. Nor will it prevent those low class women from coming back here and starting threads "Why do guys just use women for sex" when they do choose to hook up with some fool in these establishments. | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/23/2008 4:52:44 AM | Loonytunz
MUST I remind you once again that YOU were the one to bring up that there were barriers for men in the nursing industry. YOU were the one to go off topic with it in the first place. And when a few people ask you to clarify what you mean, you try and detract attention away from the fact that you DON'T know what you're talking about. WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS?????
Can you PLEASE just name one. | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/23/2008 6:18:36 AM | Maybe if men would spend more time enjoying life and less time using everything they do as a search for women things like ladies nights wouldn't affect them. Try going out just to go out and entertain the concept of being somewhere for the place itself, not for the women you're hoping to meet.
Women do it all the time. Once men change that, we'll make some progress. | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/23/2008 7:11:19 AM |
Maybe if men would spend more time enjoying life and less time using everything they do as a search for women things like ladies nights wouldn't affect them. Try going out just to go out and entertain the concept of being somewhere for the place itself, not for the women you're hoping to meet.
The problem is that these places do these practices based on generalizations, like you doing here . " men using everything they do as a search for women". The laws are not based on " generalizations". If you have a town with 2,000 adult males, and one of them is very religious,and doesn't approve of going to bars/clubs, and there is another one that is homosexual, doesn't find these ladies night attractive, while the rest( 1,998) approve of it, if the gay guy wants to get in for free just like the women, that's all the law is going to look at. The laws protect dissent from the majorities.
Please, let's stay away from " generalizations", is like me saying " if women don't spend that much time putting on make up". | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/23/2008 7:25:45 AM | | I have been to places where women get in free before a certain time or pay less than men do for a cover charge. But I have never been to a place where women actually get free drinks. | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/23/2008 7:31:57 AM |
The problem is that these places do these practices based on generalizations, like you doing here . " men using everything they do as a search for women". The laws are not based on " generalizations". If you have a town with 2,000 adult males, and one of them is very religious,and doesn't approve of going to bars/clubs, and there is another one that is homosexual, doesn't find these ladies night attractive, while the rest( 1,998) approve of it, if the gay guy wants to get in for free just like the women, that's all the law is going to look at. The laws protect dissent from the majorities.
Please, let's stay away from " generalizations", is like me saying " if women don't spend that much time putting on make up"
Good point...ok (and BTW those of us who put on makeup don't post threads here about what we're not getting for our efforts, but that's fine).
Maybe if the men who have a problem with this would spend more time enjoying life and less time using everything they do as a search for women things like ladies nights wouldn't affect them. Try going out just to go out and entertain the concept of being somewhere for the place itself, not for the women you're hoping to meet.
Better? | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/23/2008 8:39:22 AM |
How many pages and finally someone that echos what I said right off in my 1st 2 posts.
It's because many (though not all) people will just read the title, MAYBE the original post, and then post whatever they are thinking, without reading any other comments. | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/23/2008 11:56:14 AM | I've got no problem with "Ladies Night"
Hell the last thing I want to see is a sausagefest club. Do whatever to
bring those ladies in.
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/23/2008 8:52:42 PM |
Maybe if the men who have a problem with this would spend more time enjoying life and less time using everything they do as a search for women things like ladies nights wouldn't affect them.
There are men that go out just for fun, but still, these places should be sued, specially the ones with the hideous " females 18, males 21" fliers. | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/23/2008 10:49:59 PM | It's not about FORCING anyone to do anything. It's about equal public accommodation and not discriminating against people based on characteristics over which they have no real control. That's why people bring suits and take the matter to court, why there are laws in some places, etc. If people want to discriminate, they're free to do so in a private setting, but not one which purports to be open to the public.
If guys have to pay more to get into some establishment, then aren't they also justified in being payed more in order to afford such extra expenses? Think carefully before answering. | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/23/2008 11:43:36 PM |
And where are you getting this haircut crap from? I never said anything about women paying more for haircuts, so I don't know why you are attributing it to me.
Who says every single post or point is directly aimed at you? I think there is a name for that particular mental issue.
I assume also that YOU have failed to read my posts, since you are just pulling crap out of thin air.
Well I am stopping myself from reading anymore in the future. Childish ploys and steadfast refusal to comprehend a parallel renders intelligent debate impossible.
So once again: Please, do explain what these barriers in the nursing field are. I'm dying to know.
Still can't stay on topic can you? What barriers to going to a club are there for a woman that require free cover and reduced prices?
Sue? LOL
I am assuming the poster that said that is from some state with an age of majority of 21. They shouldn't be sued, they should be criminally charged and the owners/managers be barred from obtaining any liquor licenses in that state in the future.
As for the rest, no one would be FORCING you to pay more to get your car fixed and pay twice what any man does or twice what someone of a different colour, religion, or sexual orientation does, now would they? But that still doesn't make anyone charging you more based on your gender legal around here. | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/24/2008 4:43:44 AM |
There are men that go out just for fun, but still, these places should be sued, specially the ones with the hideous " females 18, males 21" fliers.
LMAO...."but still" is always a solid argument. Thanks for that.
Sue? LOL
YOU own your wallet
No one is FORCING you to walk into a LADIES NIGHT club.
No one is FORCING you to buy a lady a drink
No one is FORCING you to pay a cover, unless you WANT to pay one, as there are many other clubs that dont require a cover.
EXACTLY. Men: don't like the cover? Vote with you feet....don't go. Enough don't go, clubs/bars will change things. I doubt that'll ever happen tho...get your own gender together and boycott if you feel this way.
It's not about FORCING anyone to do anything. It's about equal public accommodation and not discriminating against people based on characteristics over which they have no real control. That's why people bring suits and take the matter to court, why there are laws in some places, etc. If people want to discriminate, they're free to do so in a private setting, but not one which purports to be open to the public.
Over a drinking establishment? Silliness.
If guys have to pay more to get into some establishment, then aren't they also justified in being payed more in order to afford such extra expenses? Think carefully before answering.
I don't have to think about it. Men don't HAVE to go there. It's not a necessity. Therefore, they're free not to go in and not to pay. End of story. Someone starts charging you more as a guy to buy food, NOW you have a case, since you actually need food.
As for the rest, no one would be FORCING you to pay more to get your car fixed and pay twice what any man does or twice what someone of a different colour, religion, or sexual orientation does, now would they? But that still doesn't make anyone charging you more based on your gender legal around here.
Apples and oranges. A mechanic is necessary to hire in order to fix your car, which you need. You can shop for pricing, but in the end you've got to fix it. As I said before, a bar or club isn't a needed thing in your life. So you can choose not to frequent it...and it won't affect your life much. Bars/clubs are a choice, not a necessity. | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/24/2008 4:56:52 AM |
So let me get this straight. I pay a cover, I pay for drinks, the ladies pay neither, and I still don't get any sex.
So let me get this straight. You think just because you do pay the cover and pay for the drinks that women should just give you the key to "Vaginaville"?? | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/24/2008 6:03:14 AM | Loonytunz - I will answer your question, but I expect the same in return.
There are no barriers keeping women out of a club with free cover. It's their choice whether they want to go or not.
Now, back to this issue of nursing that YOU brought up a few pages ago and still seem to be unable to answer..... What were those barriers again? If you really wanted to enter nursing, i don't think anyone would be stopping you. Now, if you are afraid of what society would think because it is largely VIEWED as a female profession, that's your problem. You shouldn't be so afraid of what others think about you. Although, based on some of the stuff you write, I don't think that is your problem. You really don't seem to care what people think about you.
With the issue of ladies night, I will offer some simple solutions for anyone who is offended by this practice, based on what has already been said by many:
1. Go to a bar that does not have ladies night - I can offer you a list of many that I have been to that have never had a ladies night.
2. If you don't like the fact that you are "expected" to buy drinks (although I don't know where these expectations are coming from. I certainly don't expect anything), then keep your wallet in you pants.
3. If you don't like the idea of paying cover, I know once again many bars that often have nights with free cover. Or that always have free cover.
I have never been to a bar that offers ladies night, so I cant comment further on the particulars of the practice. But the solution seems simple to me.
Oh, and for all the men who see this as an issue of inequality, it may in fact be. So the solution to that: Gather some likeminded, concerned individuals and start lobbying for change. It's what women did long ago for themselves. I mean, if women can do it, you can too, right? I'll even join you in a protest. | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/24/2008 6:20:28 AM |
So the solution to that: Gather some likeminded, concerned individuals and start lobbying for change. It's what women did long ago for themselves. I mean, if women can do it, you can too, right? I'll even join you in a protest.
I really don't care one way or the other. I remember some dude making a stink about it in NJ a few years back. So I think it's actually banned there now. | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/24/2008 6:37:50 AM | armbar is DEAD ON it
My daughter worked for Hooters for awhile and thats it in a nutshell! lol
Guys drink more. Girls do the attracting. MAGNETS. Girls dont pay but they go for free drinks. HEY who can beat the crap outta that?
and the moral of this story is:
Women manage their MONEY better! :)
Known fact
From the beginning of time, its a built in instinct. Women are caregivers, their kids and men come first. I myself will give the shirt off my back to make sure my kids have their Ipods, Laptops, Wiis, CellPhones, etc. DUMB , isnt it??? cuz they dont appreciate it!! not really
but in later years they realize how good they had it... | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/24/2008 6:53:11 AM | and to answer that question.....its NOT banned in NJ
At least not in private bars. Owners can do whatever the crap they wanna do with their own business! thats the joy in having your own business.
I have a friend who lives in Hamburg and its not banned, believe me or this gal would NEVER frequent a bar. :)
lol, Honey, ive paid for many many many a meal for my x and his danged buds, til i said NO MORE..........but hey! why should i? | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/24/2008 7:13:22 AM | and to answer that question.....its NOT banned in NJ
http://www.state.nj.us/oag/Gillespie.Order.06.01.04.html
Well they can still call Thursday 'Ladies' nights and Friday 'Drunken Frat-Boy' night (real thing) or whatever, they just can't charge one group while letting another group go in for free.
lol, Honey, ive paid for many many many a meal for my x and his danged buds, til i said NO MORE..........but hey! why should i?
Not sure what this has to do with anything, but I don't know why anyone would let you pay for his friends. | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/24/2008 7:57:10 AM |
I stand by my word to say this isnt about discrimination, this is about money.
So, again, it's alrighty for an employer to pay a guy more than an equivalent woman, because it's about money? I mean, after all, a woman who doesn't like that can just go work somewhere else, right? A business is a private establishment, remember.
No I know the objection will be that working is some sort of essential need. But with total employment in the US at 110-120 million out of a population of some 300 million, clearly it isn't, even after you take out the ~65 million who are aged 18 or under. So, lots of people don't seem to need a job. Why can't the woman who wants to walk with her feet and not work the same job for less than a man just be one of them?
Rosa Parks didn't have to ride the bus; she could have walked, or gotten a bicycle.
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/24/2008 8:12:24 AM |
Guys drink more. Girls do the attracting. MAGNETS. Girls dont pay but they go for free drinks. HEY who can beat the crap outta that?
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Based on this reasoning an establishment would also be justified in charging women a higher cover charge as they will offer the establishment lower revenue on goods or services once inside. If one did this few women would be inclined to go unless it had a substantially better atmosphere or some other point on which to draw customers. But if it was common practice women would be up in arms screaming "sexual discrimination". | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/24/2008 8:37:32 AM |
Rosa Parks didn't have to ride the bus; she could have walked, or gotten a bicycle.
I'm sure she walked many times, cause she had to be somewhere, unlike men who frequent bars/clubs - but this isn't about someone needing transportation, this is (LMAO) about freaking drink specials and cover charges. Nope no one NEEDS those, they CHOOSE to be patrons or not. Whining doesn't work - using your right to NOT participate does. So don't buy into it.
There's not even a small comparison here between ladies' night and Rosa Parks. I find it amusing and maybe even a bit offensive that it's even being used as a reference point. | |
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| ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 7/24/2008 9:53:02 AM |
So let me get this straight. I pay a cover, I pay for drinks, the ladies pay neither, and I still don't get any sex.
Sounds more like you have no game. Don't blame the event. Best thing is to never just start buying random girls drinks in an attempt to get them to talk to you. Get one talking to you, know she's not looking to run, then casually offer her a drink when you want one.
Many women will use the guy who buys random girls drinks...but respects the guy who is more out for his own fun than to just please a woman.
Awwww hell nawwww! Lets try a guys' night where we are the prize!
They call those gay clubs.
Equal rights right ladies?
The problem is that you're not seeing things from he viewpoint of the business. Would you rather walk into a bar and find it full of guys with no women, or only women you're not attracted to? Or walk in and find it full of beautiful ladies?
Let's face it, in the bar/club scene...beautiful women are the valuable commodity. It's even why so many clubs now sneak in underage girls. Most adult women I know don't go to clubs or trendy bars. They don't want to be in a meat market full of drunken douchebags who are pawing at them or worshiping whatever hot hooker that walked in. Even many women avoid "Ladies Nights" because they feel it'll be full of desperate guys. On top of that, if a woman is used to having guys all over her, buying her drinks, etc...what makes you think she's suddenly going to buy guys a drink? I've known women who dress to the nines and only go out with $20 in their pockets...but guys left and right are buying them drinks and even offering them drugs later. Don't blame those women...blame the guys who feed their egos.
You want to meet women? Try new things. Unless you got a lot of game and excitement around you, the bars and clubs are pointless. That or come to bars about 2 hours before closing and flirt with all the drunk women. At least then they'll be more open and less defensive.
Don't blame the event. Ladies Nights are simply a means to get people out on a night that's normally dead. | |
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