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 J_in_SD*
Joined: 1/1/2009
Msg: 126
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I pay a cover, I pay for drinks, the ladies pay neither, and I still don't get any sex.

So, who's the dumb one?
 Annie was here
Joined: 1/15/2009
Msg: 127
ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 2/3/2009 3:54:57 PM
If you want guaranteed sexual relations then my suggestion to you would be to hire an escort.
 JerseyGirl2008
Joined: 12/27/2007
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ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 2/4/2009 3:54:42 AM
It seems that many women out there expect everything for free from men while expecting a man to pay a price to get anything from women.

Don't you men EVER get tired of whining about paying for something? Jesus.

Let me explain what the premise BEHIND "ladie's night" is. Businesses do this because they want to attract women to their establishments. Why do they want to do this? Because wherever women go, men are not far behind, that's why. And men usually show up in record numbers - and they're PAYING customers. That's what the business is hoping to accomplish by having a ladie's night - drawing in men who'll PAY for drinks.

If you don't like it, don't cry about "women always wanting something for free." Go whine to all the bars and taverns who have ladie's nights - I'm SURE they'll immediately stop this heinous practice so you won't feel so offended anymore.
 wild heart
Joined: 10/14/2007
Msg: 129
ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 2/4/2009 4:18:59 AM
^^obviously people who don't get that concept don't get too much. I mean, sorry but I have no head for business and even I know that ladies night is a profit maker.

Sheesh.
 Spoken For
Joined: 12/26/2007
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ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 2/4/2009 9:57:00 AM

What barriers are there that are keeping YOU out of the nursing field?
Enough brains to get into nursing school, let alone pass the classes? Just my guess.
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
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ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 2/4/2009 1:40:51 PM

The whole "bar scene" is dumb and for dumb people :) The only ones who benefit from this are bar owners. The rest of the human beings end up in car accidents, fights, debts, or worse: with an STD, in jail , the hospital or the divorce lawyer's office! :).

Well, I don;t know where you go drinking but I sure as hell prefer drinking here....
I've never had a car accident, an STD or in jail... a divorce or a hospital visit...
I have been in a few incidents involving violence, but they were unrelated to where I was...
On the bright side, I've met many lovely women. all of whom were employed and paying for their own drinks. (unemployed and welfare collectors usually can't afford bars...).... Including my current lady love... and we still enjoy going out together...
I've also seen a lot of great bands in bars...
I've also had a lot of great meals in bars...
I've met a lot of long time friends in bars...
 AnAmusingConcept
Joined: 1/9/2009
Msg: 132
ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 2/4/2009 2:30:24 PM
I don't agree with ladies night only because I don't believe gender should determine how much someone pays for a service. As far as guys complaining about ladies night I see it as being a bit silly. Just don't go. It's not like it's an issue that will affect you in your daily life like work or home. It's only a problem if you choose to go to such an establishment and you can get beer elsewhere. It seems its the unfairness that is getting to people and there are plenty of worse things to worry about.
 wild heart
Joined: 10/14/2007
Msg: 133
ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 2/4/2009 4:29:18 PM

Do you women EVER get tired of whining about giving sex and not getting silver platter at the end?

If women out there think its such a big crime for a man to complain about this, well stop complaining about equal pay.


You're ASSuming that all women complain about this.......


I am glad that I have the spine and the brains to not participate in such stupidity. The men who are involved are suckers and the women involved are low life bums who have serious entitlement issues.


I'm sure they are glad that you are not participating either with your lovely attitude about women. 27 and already jaded. Good luck.
 WomanInProgress
Joined: 10/16/2005
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ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 2/4/2009 4:52:07 PM

A woman doesn't have to pay for it, why should a man?

Well, men tend to want it to the point where women don't have to pay. Blame men for that one. If more men would think first and have sex later, women might have to actually look for sex, instead of choosing from the men who offer (even if the choice is no one).

It seems that many women out there expect everything for free from men while expecting a man to pay a price to get anything from women.

Again, welcome to the outcome of the dynamic you as men have created. If you all didn't have sex for a while and decided to either be selective about it or forego it altogether unless you really like and know the person. Focusing on sex a lot for a lot of (no, not all) men have created this atmosphere for women where we don't have much of a shortage to worry about, and it creates competition, because for every guy who wants to hang back and wait when it comes to sex, three men will approach the woman who he's being patient about.

Do you women EVER get tired of whining about giving sex and not getting silver platter at the end?

You're including me in that question, and I am not part of that equation. I don't GIVE sex, I HAVE sex - sometimes I even take it. So far no guy I wanted to give it up to me had much of a problem with handing it over, so I guess until someone complains, I don't have any negative feedback to offer. The only thing someone gets for giving me sex is having sex. The deal ends there.
 carolann0308
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ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 2/4/2009 4:57:27 PM

So let me get this straight. I pay a cover, I pay for drinks, the ladies pay neither, and I still don't get any sex.


S going out and having fun with friends is not enough? Unless some lady drops her drawers tha night is a wash? I though Ladies night meant free/really cheap drinks for the gals?
 J_in_SD*
Joined: 1/1/2009
Msg: 136
ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 2/4/2009 4:58:55 PM
A woman doesn't have to pay for it, why should a man?

Well, folks, somebody has to pay for it. They're not giving it away.

I thought ladies' night meant free/really cheap drinks for the gals?

Or free drinks for really cheap gals.
 WomanInProgress
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Posted: 2/4/2009 5:03:43 PM

A woman doesn't have to pay for it, why should a man?

Well, men tend to want it to the point where women don't have to pay. Blame men for that one. If more men would think first and have sex later, women might have to actually look for sex, instead of choosing from the men who offer (even if the choice is no one).

I 've had men I either barely knew or didn't particularly like let me know that they'd be boytoys if I wanted one. I can't begin to tell you what goes thru my head when I hear this sort of thing but one of them is "what kind of nutcase thing is that to say to someone out of left field?" Yeah, gotta love some guys....

It seems that many women out there expect everything for free from men while expecting a man to pay a price to get anything from women.

Again, welcome to the outcome of the dynamic you as men have created. If you all didn't have sex for a while and decided to either be selective about it or forego it altogether unless you really like and know the person. Focusing on sex a lot for a lot of (no, not all) men have created this atmosphere for women where we don't have much of a shortage to worry about, and it creates competition, because for every guy who wants to hang back and wait when it comes to sex, three men will approach the woman who he's being patient about.

Do you women EVER get tired of whining about giving sex and not getting silver platter at the end?

You're including me in that question, and I am not part of that equation. I don't GIVE sex, I HAVE sex - sometimes I even take it. So far no guy I wanted to give it up to me had much of a problem with handing it over, so I guess until someone complains, I don't have any negative feedback to offer. The only thing someone gets for giving me sex is having sex. The deal ends there.
 867love
Joined: 3/16/2006
Msg: 138
ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 2/4/2009 6:08:34 PM
life aint fair -get used to it...

-since it not that easy to get a good number of women to venture out to the bars, i'm happy when establishments will try anything that will coax her out of her shell and into public
 WomanInProgress
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Posted: 2/4/2009 7:02:20 PM

And what type of men are these certain men? Do many women want them anyway considering that fact? If a woman does play along with it that way, what type of woman does that make her?

The atmosphere is what it is. And the thing about men offering something in exchange for sex creates the environment where some women will agree to those terms and then may expect it from others. Let's face it, the egg is where the chicken comes from.

I am talking about normal people who will have casual sex but they don’t expect to pay or the other party to pay because of it. The minority of men may play it that way, it doesn’t mean all men should be blamed for it.

Again, if it's not offered, it can't be considered. If men feel that it's a bargaining tool to throw money at a woman for sex, then he's better off paying for it straight out. However in a relationship, hopefully one's not bargaining one thing for another unless of course, it works for both of them. And personally I think more men do this (even indirectly) than they'd like to admit, or realize. Put it this way, enough men have bargained in that way for it and gone after it as a conquest that it's got a lot to do with the way things are. Some women have capitalized on it.

What do you mean that men don’t think first? When a woman is looking for sex, how is she thinking first or any different to the man? Or is this the same chauvinistic opinion that a man thinks with his****more than his brain?

I said MORE men, not "men". And a lot of women don't look for sex, it's not something that's so hard to find that it has to be looked for (unless it's from a certain guy she's into, naturally). On the other hand, men tend to be the ones that more "look" for sex. The posts here about men wanting to know they are sexually compatible within the first meeting or two and the posts about not only going without relationships but "even sex" make it evident that a lot of men have different mindsets than a lot of women. Of course no one gender does everything the same, but there are majorities that surface in typical directions.

Not so much men created, it has a lot to do with traditional benefits that women don’t want to give up but they expect men to give up all of theirs. And as I said above, what type of man plays it in the way of having to think he has to buy the woman into sex? A minority of men may do this and if only the minority may do so, that does not stand as a dynamic of how it should be for every person or a rule that should be imposed in society as a whole.

It's not a minority - a minority openly declare they plan to trade one for the other, but a lot more think that way and it comes across in their actions. The third date rule alone (whether stated or secretly followed) is proof of that. And also, there are no rules imposed on you unless you either feel obligated to follow or want what you want so bad that you will follow. Not all women do this. All you need to do (if you care either way, anyway) is find one who doesn't. If most men did this, there would be no issue. But some always do.

But that doesn’t mean that a man is still obligated to pay the woman’s way or owe her anything when it comes to sex.

I agree. So men should stop offering it....then women won't expect it.
 HardwoodFloorBoard
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Posted: 2/5/2009 9:08:38 AM
I have no problem with the whole concept of Ladies Nite, but in practice typically more men than women show up.
 GeneralizingNow
Joined: 10/10/2007
Msg: 141
ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 2/5/2009 11:56:41 AM
So, Xeno, Ladies Night would be okay with you if you were guaranteed sex? Wouldn't that then unbalance it all again and make it Men's Entitlement Night? I think you should stop going to bars.



but often can increase the likelihood of sex.

...for the women, since it's usually a sausage fest. Xeno, being but one of the herd, would likely have his chances REDUCED due to the increased number of males in attendance, and his being somewhat of a thule.
 ProcolHarem
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Posted: 2/5/2009 12:03:46 PM
^^Well...from what I recall, ladies nights do not guarantee sex, but often can increase the likelihood of sex.

I have also noticed that forums in general increase the likelihood that some people will b*tch about anything.
 EvilLolli
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Posted: 2/5/2009 12:04:46 PM
Odd, I thought the whole concept of ladies night was to get women in a bar and drunk so barfly guys had a better shot of getting laid? The free admission and free drinks was so women would drink more and have lower inhibitions for when the guys tried to get some.

Then again I avoid ladies night since it seems to be synonymous w/ garbage night.
 WomanInProgress
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Posted: 2/5/2009 1:49:56 PM

I have no problem with the whole concept of Ladies Nite, but in practice typically more men than women show up.

If the owner/manager is lucky, that's exactly the outcome they'll get. A bunch of men who show up and throw money around hoping to find women. That's sort of the point.

Not a lot of fun for the men who go, but in the end the profit is the goal.
 m_church
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Posted: 2/5/2009 3:47:49 PM
I know quite a few women who actually hate the whole "ladies night" thing...
Mostly when they go to a place not realising it's "laides night"... Then they get hit on by all the guys all night long... and the ladies just went there for a drink or a meal and to get away from house and kids for an evening...
 WomanInProgress
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Posted: 2/5/2009 7:46:56 PM

I know quite a few women who actually hate the whole "ladies night" thing...
Mostly when they go to a place not realising it's "laides night"... Then they get hit on by all the guys all night long... and the ladies just went there for a drink or a meal and to get away from house and kids for an evening...

I don't think ladies night is about men hitting on women more than any other time - generally they don't need a reason.

I totally get why women are annoyed....many times they don't go to a place like that to be hit on; but somehow men got the message that because women have entered a bar or club that somehow they have some connection to that, or need to participate in some way. They don't in a lot of cases, they just happen to be there while women do their own thing. They aren't there for men nor are they doing anything based on men.

Many times I've seen men ask why women show up if they don't want to be bothered, and the answer is - duh, "maybe it's not about you". The obvious but often overlooked conclusion.
 wild heart
Joined: 10/14/2007
Msg: 147
ladies' night is dumb
Posted: 2/6/2009 5:01:28 AM
LOL, yeah DJ I've gotten the same thing from men "what are you doing here then?".

It's those assumptions that give bars their bad name. Why can't people just go to enjoy the music, watching the crowd or a band? Why does it always have to be about the "meat market" for some people?! I see past that because it doesn't bother me and I ignore it.

Ladies night was created for the bar, that's it. It's not for the men, it's not for the women. IT IS TO MAKE MONEY.

Me and my friend (male) would go out almost every night to our regular bar. We did ladies night one night and men's night another. Saved us some money ;)
 --Zen--
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Msg: 148
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Posted: 2/25/2012 4:26:12 PM
I've always been fascinated by entertainment industry marketing strategies. Naturally it is never about gender or sexism, it's about making money. It isn't easy for club/bar owner in this town. To make it here you either need to find a niche or always appeal to wide variety of audience. Smart and successful owner can balance both. Meaning attracting new customers and keeping loyal patrons. Majority relay on word of mouth with occasional photo or radio promotions. For a new place there is very little room for error because ones you get enough 'eh' you're doomed.
Ladies night is like a unicorn. I keep hearing about it but I'm yet to see it. There are cleverly disguised ways to attract females like 'little black dress' contests but from what I hear specials attract bigger crowds. From marketing perspective it doesn't make much sense. Drink specials in it self is a desperate move but making it one gender only will attract the kind of people you don't want in your place. Cheap women who don't want to pay for drinks and horny guys who are just looking to score. Women generally not use to have so much competition and are not gonna be happy and guys are not happy to do all the paying. All in all a bad mix that often leads to fights and bad reputation.
 quarked
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Posted: 2/25/2012 5:38:51 PM
I don't go to so-called "Ladies' Night" at bars. I much prefer heading out with a couple of friends to the various 2-for-1 happy hours that occur near me. Sometimes you can get 2-for-1 beers all night if you hit up the right bar.

Then again, I have no game, so I'm not expecting to get anything outside of a couple of good draft beers in any case.
 bethesdafoodie
Joined: 1/2/2012
Msg: 150
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Posted: 2/26/2012 12:29:04 PM
Ladies nights are a joke but they make the bar money, and in this economy I salute them for doing whatever they need to do to survive.

That said, I've never paid for a single drink, cover, or table service at any of the bars I frequent because I know the owners personally and get awesome treatment. I've never had to wait in a line in DC and I chuckle watching people line up like cattle to overpay on their drinks.

Before I started getting VIP treatment the easiest way to score drinks on Ladies Night IS TO KNOW LADIES. Stop being the /Forever Alone guy and hang out with a group of ladies and you'll drink for free all night long.

Yea, I'm the guy drinking the drink you bought for the girl, she gave it to me because she can get another one from another moron in a heart beat.

Thanks for the free drinks gentlemen, and no just because you buy a drink doesn't mean you're taking any of my 5-6 female friends home, we came as a group and we'll leave as a group after they get tired of dancing. I'll enjoy the free drinks and I appreciate your generosity and assumptions!

Thank you!

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