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Congressional Democrats have a 47% approval rating.
Republicans have a 24%.
So there you go.
http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/15/2008 11:50:33 PM | Well here's one for starters by Eric Alterman from the "the Nation".
"She may compare adorable Katie Couric to Eva Braun and Joseph Goebbels and joke about blowing up the Times building. But instead of ignoring, laughing at or, perhaps most usefully, sedating her, we find Coulter's blond locks and bony ass celebrated by talk-show bookers and gossip columnists--even a genuine book reviewer--from coast to proverbial coast."
C'mon, she's a novelist/talk show host who makes her living writting sarcastic jabs at left wingers. The fact that they are so self-absorbed and self-righteous to actually believe anything she says is about the equivilent of those who run around quoting every word out of Al Franken's mouth as gospel. Ann knows it's set people off, and she thrives on it. That's why I was so surprised when republicans went nuts over the Obama pitbull with lipstick thing. Then I remembered, there was an election going on. They had to. I still didn't though, because it was just words. Like Alterman's comments about drugging Coulter.
Well then a simple measure would be to have people rate their own congressmen, in a similar man(n)er as you have Americans rate their own president.
I'm pretty sure they do, and since a majority of the people that would have a valid POV about each individual congressman probably voted for that person, it would probably be an overwhelming popularity, unless a situation like Blago in Chicago were in effect. So it wouldn't be a comparable statistic. It would be like rating a mom and pop grocery store to a WalMart Supercenter. The results would be skewed. All the folks where the mom & pop are might just love the crap out of it, and hate WalMart, but since people two states away have never heard of that mom & pop, they wouldn't be able to give a credible opinion on it. But everybody knows WalMart.
The unhappyness with the Democratically controled congress was expressed by voting more Democrat's into congress. I suspect your assesment about why it's unpopular is flawed
They why IS it unpopular? What exactly is doing so well that our country is better off than since they came into power?
More democrats were voted in because of every media outlet blaming the republicans for the mess we're in. They would have voted in Bozo the Clown if he was running democrat. And they almost got him in Al Franken, luckily they came to their senses before that misstep became a reality. | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/16/2008 12:19:20 AM | Hey look, Republican defending the advocation of Domestic terrorism, apparently outright saying it is ok for Republicans.
I'm pretty sure they do, and since a majority of the people that would have a valid POV about each individual congressman probably voted for that person, it would probably be an overwhelming popularity, unless a situation like Blago in Chicago were in effect. So it wouldn't be a comparable statistic. It would be like rating a mom and pop grocery store to a WalMart Supercenter. The results would be skewed. All the folks where the mom & pop are might just love the crap out of it, and hate WalMart, but since people two states away have never heard of that mom & pop, they wouldn't be able to give a credible opinion on it. But everybody knows WalMart.
Uh huh look at the dodging.
They why IS it unpopular? What exactly is doing so well that our country is better off than since they came into power
From the looks of the stats, it's apparent that Republicans are the primary source of disatisfaction with Congress. They rate MUCH lower than congressional Democrats.
Sorry,
More democrats were voted in because of every media outlet blaming the republicans for the mess we're in. They would have voted in Bozo the Clown if he was running democrat. And they almost got him in Al Franken, luckily they came to their senses before that misstep became a reality.
Uh huh, blame the media, I mean it could not possibly because you guys ran the show for years and the country is a mess. Nope, never consider the possibility of people changing their mind for legitimate reasons, it must be evil liberal mind control | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/16/2008 12:50:25 AM |
Hey look, Republican defending the advocation of Domestic terrorism, apparently outright saying it is ok for Republicans.
You crack me up! I can tell when someone is being a smartass and you can't. I've proven it over and over time and time again with you. When sarcasm is at play, it only seems to offend those who are on the receiving end. I take it with a grain of salt on both sides.
Hey look, Republican defending the advocation of Domestic terrorism, apparently outright saying it is ok for Republicans.
uh huh look at the dodging.
Pot meet kettle, I'm still waiting for a real instance of someone (besides Ann Coulter--who makes a living saying things that shock liberals like yourself) from the republican party advocating domestic terrorist attacks. I think you exhausted your sources. But I can go dig up what each state thinks of their respective congressmen, but in a statistical comparison to the president it will be apples vs. oranges. Unless you want me to only use Bush's stats from his congressional district in Texas.
From the looks of the stats, it's apparent that Republicans are the primary source of disatisfaction with Congress. They rate MUCH lower than congressional Democrats.
I make no arguement with that. But give it a few weeks. Or maybe months.
Blame the media, I mean it could not possibly because you guys ran the show for years and the country is a mess. Nope, never consider the possibility of people changing their mind for legitimate reasons, it must be evil liberal mind control
Yep, stick the words in my mouth. The media did it's job, so that's a bad thing?
I didn't run anything, but yep the country's in a mess. And I'm sure that most people did change their minds, but I don't how legitimate the reason is : "If this bunch of f**kups can't do it let's elect this bunch of f**kups and see if they can do any better." In four years if they haven't, the repubs will be right back in there again. If the cycle has gone back to a good economy again then the dems will get 4 more. People give our politicians too much credit. They can't run schools properly, what makes anyone think they know d**k about the economy. Let's bail out the automakers at 25 billion! Why not give every citizen over the age of 21 a new GM, Ford or Chrysler. It would cost less and bail out the automakers and set the economy on fire. Why give 300 billion to the finacial industry, just divide it up amongst those in finacial crisis and about to lose their homes, it would cost less and wouldn't it bail out the industry (and possibly set the economy on fire)? Now why did it take little old "uneducated" me to come up with the easy solutions when approximately 400 supposedly knowledgable politicians couldn't put their heads together and see it? | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/16/2008 1:01:19 AM | You crack me up! I can tell when someone is being a smartass and you can't. I've proven it over and over time and time again with you. When sarcasm is at play, it only seems to offend those who are on the receiving end. I take it with a grain of salt on both sides.
Uh huh. Ann Coulter "Liberals are traitors" was just making light hearted jokes about domestic terrorism"
Pot meet kettle, I'm still waiting for a real instance of someone (besides Ann Coulter--who makes a living saying things that shock liberals like yourself) from the republican party advocating domestic terrorist attacks.
Why so you can simply pretend it was a meaningless?
But I can go dig up what each state thinks of their respective congressmen, but in a statistical comparison to the president it will be apples vs. oranges. Unless you want me to only use Bush's stats from his congressional district in Texas.
Uh huh, or you can look at national opinions of republicans vs democrats, and they show that the Republicans are vastly less popular. Heh please find me Bush's stats for his congressional district. You still haven't told me why somebody would rate their congress man as higher and not their president.
Oh wait, it's because you're simply dodging the issue.
The arguments you're making are nonsensical and frankly confused.
We can sum up the current situation as this.
Republicans have lost their presidential ellection, they lost massive numbers of seats, and they are massively unpopular in congress. Unlike Democratic congress members.
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/16/2008 1:42:37 AM |
You still haven't told me why somebody would rate their congress man as higher and not their president.
Because I have no real idea why. But I know Nancy Pelosi has about a 9% approval rating in Washington, but in her congressional district it's about 46%. What is there to explain except people love her in California and despise her elsewhere. I don't know exactly what you want me to give you, but I still say anything using disproportionate statistics will not give valid results. It's not dodging, I'm saying the results will be meaningless, a waste of time, because people in their congressional districts seem to have a higher opinion of their congressperson, than those who don't even know who he is. Maybe because they voted for him or her, see them on television and hear them on talk shows. So since you want to compare a guy everyone knows to a bunch of people a select few know, it's not going to compare. As I've said before, half of this country (if not more) don't even know who Joe Biden is, why would they know who Mike Turner is? Do you know who he is without googling him. If so, you have way too much time on your hands.
And I say that Coulter's statement was meaningless because she said it to shock the guy she was talking to at the time (sorry forget his name--it's meaningless too) and the fact that McVeigh was already in prison made it a moot point. She and everyone else knew it was something that could never happen. A wish is not an advocation of anything.
Let's speculate and dream: Now if she had advocated one of her radio listeners or readers go and bomb the NYT, then you'd have a valid point. She did not.
Let's go even further into la-la land: She admitted later she had many friends on the NYT staff and to appease those who wouldn't let a sarcastic remark die (mailnly the NYT), she added (again sarcastically) "when the buliding was empty". Well, that would just make her another Bill Ayers, right? A great upstanding true blue American patriot, right? So, there's your worst case scenario.
Republicans have lost their presidential election, they lost massive numbers of seats, and they are massively unpopular in congress. Unlike Democratic congress members.
I guess they must all have zeros in their popularity columns to drag those great democratic numbers down so low. Something's keeping them in there, they must be buying their seats. Hello, Rezko?
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/16/2008 5:06:20 AM |
Because I have no real idea why. But I know Nancy Pelosi has about a 9% approval rating in Washington, but in her congressional district it's about 46%. What is there to explain except people love her in California and despise her elsewhere. I don't know exactly what you want me to give you, but I still say anything using disproportionate statistics will not give valid results.
You see Nanci Pelosi IS somebody you can compare national approval with, because she is an individual! Great idea!
http://www.pollingreport.com/P.htm
15% very positive 20% somewhat positive. Puts her higher than Bush I'm afraid.
And I say that Coulter's statement was meaningless because she said it to shock the guy she was talking to at the time (sorry forget his name--it's meaningless too) and the fact that McVeigh was already in prison made it a moot point. She and everyone else knew it was something that could never happen. A wish is not an advocation of anything.
Uh huh sure.
I guess they must all have zeros in their popularity columns to drag those great democratic numbers down so low. Something's keeping them in there, they must be buying their seats. Hello, Rezko?
That made a hilarious lack of sense. Here I'll post what I said, and you can try and reply in a meaningful fashion.
Republicans have lost their presidential election, they lost massive numbers of seats, and they are massively unpopular in congress. Unlike Democratic congress members. | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/16/2008 2:13:34 PM | It really is not that bad for the Republicans! As soon as the rest of the nation see's what the Obama and Pelosi are going to do...they will be out on their collective butts in no time! The Republicans will regain the House and Senate...then the white house in 4 years...if the Obama makes it that long...I bet he is impeached before then... | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/16/2008 10:08:19 PM | The Republicans will regain the House and Senate...then the white house in 4 years .
Republicans Winning the White House?
With what?
Who?
A lipstick spattered pitbull with a scorching case of herpes?
Yeah, good luck with that idea.
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/17/2008 10:30:09 AM |
A lipstick spattered pitbull with a scorching case of herpes?
How very adult ...I know that Palin will look pretty dang good compared to the Obama in 4 years! But Bobby Jhindal may be the answer. Hey...he has a funny name like the Obama...never know! | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/17/2008 11:47:46 AM |
I bet he is impeached before then...
How dependable has that crystal ball been for you in the past? 
Since were all making crazy predictions. I bet aliens invade and force us to convert to Mormonism. You know it's bad for Republicans when all they have left is fantasy. | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/17/2008 11:55:12 AM |
It's soooooo bad that they are thinking of running another "Shrub" in Florida. Now that's desperate ...
Floridians ... even in the most traditional "Neocon" areas down here ... are saying ... "Please ... no more 'Shrubs'. NO!!!!!" You're mistaken, or perhaps just assuming you have the ability to speak for all. Jeb Bush just expressed interest this morning, so no polls have yet have been conducted among Republicans, Democrats, Independents, or "Neo-Cons". I can say that of the Republicans I have addressed it with here in Jacksonville, all are in favor of his running for the Senate. Jeb, the first Republican Governor in Florida history to have served out a second elected term, left office with a 65% approval rating. While I don't speak for Republicans nationally, I can say with the below statistics recorded in Wikipedia after he left office in 2006, Floridians of all political persuasions would embrace him as a candidate for the US Senate...
"Bush is popular among Cubans in Florida (winning 80 percent of the Cuban vote in 2002), and popular among non-Cuban Hispanics (56 percent in 2002, equaling the 56 percent he won statewide). As a longtime supporter of Israel,[28] Bush also maintains a significant connection to Florida's Jewish voters. He was endorsed in his two winning Governor races by a national Jewish publication, and won 44 percent of the state's Jewish vote in the 2002 Governor's race.[29] Many black voters support his focus on public education and parental choice in education, and a number of Black Republican clubs have risen in Florida.[30] In his re-election in 2002, Bush surprised critics by winning[31] the white female vote in the swing-voting battleground of Central Florida's I-4 corridor. Most recently, he has reached out extensively to Florida's Haitian community."
As for the OP, how is anything "bad" for Republicans? We have the same civil rights as non-republicans... we are impacted the same as all other citizens by economic strife... Perhaps the thread title should be reworded to: "How Bad is it for the Republican Political Candidates" In which case I would have to say pretty bad, they now have to go out and get regular jobs until the next election cycle in 2010. The left / right trend in Washington is and has always been cycular, and the election results of 2008 are simply the perpetuation of that cycle. | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/17/2008 6:26:42 PM |
While I don't speak for Republicans nationally, I can say with the below statistics recorded in Wikipedia ... Wikipedia is not a dependable resource since anyone can change information in it.
The source I posted from 05/10/05 in a thread that got deleted ... http://www.surveyusa.com/50governorsrated051005.htm Survey USA shows Jeb Bush at only a 49% approval rating.
I can say that of the Republicans I have addressed it with here in Jacksonville, all are in favor of his running for the Senate. So what? That doesn't mean it's good for the Republicans ... 
On the whole ... I doubt that the nation (much less Florida) wants to hear anything more about any kind of a "Shrub". | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/18/2008 1:04:06 PM | Why is it "some people" quote Wikipedia as though it were the bible when it supports their position, and dismiss it when it doesn't? Here's a tip, rather than search through history looking for something that represents your errant version of his final approval rating, simple Google the following: "Jeb Bush approval rating 2006" Here are the first 4 responses, and three quote the same survey....
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/8091.html (final approval 65%) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28037591/ (great to good 57%, acceptable 33%*, disapprove 10% ) http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/03/jeb-bush-senate-seat-clear-gop-field/ (great to good 57%, acceptable 33%*, disapprove 10%) http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081203/ap_on_el_se/florida_senate_bush (great to good 57%, acceptable 33%*, disapprove 10%)
Doing it your way of selecting his lowest rating while in office is intellectually dishonest, kind of like the media who only gives you "some" of the information and expects you to swallow it hook, line & sinker. It's no more honest or accurate than to take GWB's approval rating from 9/21-23/01 of 90% or Clinton's low of 42% in 1997 and intimating those numbers to be representative of their "final" approval ratings...
So what? That doesn't mean it's good for the Republicans ... So in your version of Democracy, Democrats can nominate anyone they want for office, but Republicans can't?

On the whole ... I doubt that the nation (much less Florida) wants to hear anything more about any kind of a "Shrub". Your singular opinion of what YOU want is duly noted, you'll forgive us if we feel we have the right to make up our own minds when it comes to the issue ... by the way, "the rest of the nation" doesn't get to decide who Florida elects as Senator, we reserve exclusive rights to that office, just as the other 49 states do to their two Senators.
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/18/2008 4:13:06 PM | "mackevinized" (Message 15) ...
And talk about desperate? A few lines of truth in here can be retaliated with pages and pages of republican citations, quotes and slogans that just make no sense. "serendipiteee" (Message 93) ...
How bad is it? It's so bad, Republicans have finally realized what dogs have always known... Bushes, there only good for one thing... psssssssss tinkle tinkle
And now I have found this ... from someone who might know what he's talking about when it comes to Republicans … http://belowthebeltway.com/2008/12/08/jeb-bush-for-senate-just-say-no/
Robert Stacey McCain isn’t thrilled at all about the idea of a revived Bush Dynasty: Especially if a Bush 2010 Senate campaign is a prelude to a Bush presidential campaign in 2012 or ‘16 — and let’s not kid ourselves, that’s what it is — conservatives should oppose it with every means at their disposal. Having fooled ‘em once with Bush 41, they fooled ‘em twice with Bush 43, and now are attempting to fool ‘em again by positioning Jeb to become Bush 45. No. Not just no, but hell no. It ought to be clear to intelligent conservatives by now that the Bushes have a hereditary disorder, a genetic predisposition toward bipartisan moderation which they inevitably pursue no matter how many times it leads to disaster. From “kinder, gentler” to “compassionate conservatism,” they are the Republican Party’s answer to Carrie Buck, and if they are allowed into office again, conservatives will be forgiven for quoting Oliver Wendell Holmes: “Three generations of imbeciles are enough.”
For those of you who don't know who Robert Stacy McCain is, I am providing the following:
Robert Stacy McCain (born 1959) is an American conservative writer. McCain is a former assistant national editor for The Washington Times and co-author (with Lynn Vincent) of DONKEY CONS: Sex, Crime, and Corruption in the Democratic Party. Early career … McCain was born in Atlanta, Georgia and graduated in 1983 from Jacksonville State University in Alabama. His journalism career began with the (now defunct) Cobb News-Chronicle in 1986.
Frequently writing about such subjects as education and history, McCain was awarded a George Washington Honor Medal from the conservative Freedoms Foundation at Valley Forge for his 1995 series of columns about the National Standards for U.S. History. He joined the staff of The Washington Times in November 1997.
The Washington Times … In addition to his regular duties as an editor, McCain has also contributed numerous bylined news and feature articles to The Washington Times.
In 2003, McCain was named editor of the “Culture, Etc.” page of The Washington Times, which appears on Page A2 of the newspaper Monday through Friday. Over the years, McCain has interviewed many prominent conservative authors and personalities, including John Stossel, David Horowitz, Peter Jennings Wendy Shalit, Ronald Radosh, R. Emmett Tyrrell, Tammy Bruce, Andrew Breitbart, William J. Bennett, Phyllis Chesler, Ward Connerly, Michael Savage Dinesh D'Souza, L. Brent Bozell III, David Frum Ann Coulter Michelle Malkin and Cal Thomas. When former President Ronald Reagan died in June 2004, McCain authored the memorial article that appeared as a special feature in The Washington Times.
In 2006, McCain created a blog to promote the book Donkey Cons, and subsequently brought his blogging abilities to work for The Washington Times, establishing the Culture, Etc.” blog, and also contributing to the newspaper’s "Fishwrap" and "Inside Politics" blogs.
McCain has also contributed freelance articles, reviews and commentary pieces to a number of publications including The American Spectator, Reason, The American Conservative, Ripon Forum, and Chronicles: A Magazine of American Culture, as well as such online forums as The Conservative Voice and The American Thinker.
So I guess if someone should know what he's talking about ... it would be Robert Stacy McCain ...  | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/18/2008 10:29:44 PM | LOL Republicans say that a guy who comes from the middle class and gets an education is elitist, but they have no problem with the idea of a multi generational political dynasty.
Hell, at least a lot of monarchies produced some decent leaders, the Bush's have been poor presidents from the get go. | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/19/2008 4:34:05 AM | So now wikipedia is 100% accurate?
the quote you link from
http://belowthebeltway.com/2008/12/08/jeb-bush-for-senate-just-say-no/ Comes directly from Wikipedia, as does your second quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stacy_McCain
Robert Stacy McCain (born 1959) is an American conservative writer. McCain is a former assistant national editor for The Washington Times and co-author (with Lynn Vincent) of DONKEY CONS: Sex, Crime, and Corruption in the Democratic Party. Early career … McCain was born in Atlanta, Georgia and graduated in 1983 from Jacksonville State University in Alabama. His journalism career began with the (now defunct) Cobb News-Chronicle in 1986.
Frequently writing about such subjects as education and history, McCain was awarded a George Washington Honor Medal from the conservative Freedoms Foundation at Valley Forge for his 1995 series of columns about the National Standards for U.S. History. He joined the staff of The Washington Times in November 1997.
The Washington Times … In addition to his regular duties as an editor, McCain has also contributed numerous bylined news and feature articles to The Washington Times.
In 2003, McCain was named editor of the “Culture, Etc.” page of The Washington Times, which appears on Page A2 of the newspaper Monday through Friday. Over the years, McCain has interviewed many prominent conservative authors and personalities, including John Stossel, David Horowitz, Peter Jennings Wendy Shalit, Ronald Radosh, R. Emmett Tyrrell, Tammy Bruce, Andrew Breitbart, William J. Bennett, Phyllis Chesler, Ward Connerly, Michael Savage Dinesh D'Souza, L. Brent Bozell III, David Frum Ann Coulter Michelle Malkin and Cal Thomas. When former President Ronald Reagan died in June 2004, McCain authored the memorial article that appeared as a special feature in The Washington Times.
In 2006, McCain created a blog to promote the book Donkey Cons, and subsequently brought his blogging abilities to work for The Washington Times, establishing the Culture, Etc.” blog, and also contributing to the newspaper’s "Fishwrap" and "Inside Politics" blogs.
McCain has also contributed freelance articles, reviews and commentary pieces to a number of publications including The American Spectator, Reason, The American Conservative, Ripon Forum, and Chronicles: A Magazine of American Culture, as well as such online forums as The Conservative Voice and The American Thinker.
I noticed you failed to include one segment that appears very telling, the guy is apparently a closet supporter of the White Supremacy movement!
McCain has been criticized by the Southern Poverty Law Center, who called him "a member of the white supremacist hate group League of the South" and "has often inserted excerpts of material written by hate groups" into the Times. "In addition, McCain is the only national reporter to cover four conferences put on by American Renaissance. Until 2004, McCain had never mentioned its controversial nature." [30] Ironic you should provide quotes from a source just several posts ago you declared to be untrustworthy, then offer two quotes from that same source to bolster your opinion, and fail to disclose the fact that THE premier civil rights legal firm in the country (The Southern Poverty Law Center) has this guy "blacklisted". If this is representative of your idea of a "good" conservative, then I'm extremely content supporting the bad ones....
Seems to me that it's not bad for Republican Politicians at all...
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/19/2008 4:49:53 AM | Comes directly from Wikipedia, as does your second quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stacy_McCain
Actually, they both come from a third source.
Stacy McCains own blog.
http://rsmccain.blogspot.com/2008/12/read-my-lips-no-more-bushes.html
So it's actually a completely valid statement about her opinion (if thats important or not is another matter) I'm just saying. don't claim something is from Wikipedia when it's not.
Ironic you should provide quotes from a source just several posts ago you declared to be untrustworthy,
Thats not true.
then offer two quotes from that same source to bolster your opinion, and fail to disclose the fact that THE premier civil rights legal firm in the country (The Southern Poverty Law Center) has this guy "blacklisted". If this is representative of your idea of a "good" conservative, then I'm extremely content supporting the bad ones....
Heh this is a more salient point, but you see because her source wasn't wikipedia, I suspect she was not aware. You're not aware either, as you missatributed her source.
I will say one thing for Jeb, he is smarter than George, of course it's not as if Bush is a president thats going to be remembered fondly, it's tough to be a politician when you have a name like benedict arnold. :P or perhaps Alfred Hitler.
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/19/2008 5:57:30 AM | http://rsmccain.blogspot.com/2008/12/read-my-lips-no-more-bushes.html
I don't see any reference remotely similar to that in Wikipedia. Not even when I link to his "view my complete profile" http://www.blogger.com/profile/03084541621503669804 I see nothing even remotely resembling the quoted biography in Wikipedia, much less her verbatim posting of it.
Heh this is a more salient point, but you see because her source wasn't wikipedia, I suspect she was not aware. You're not aware either, as you missatributed her source. Heh, not exactly, you assume it was not her source, you offer no evidence that it wasn’t, and she has offered none to suggest she bothered to research the origin of the bio she posted. Seems pretty clear that any attempt at deliberate misrepresentation of the source is … well … not on my part.
I will say one thing for Jeb, he is smarter than George, of course it's not as if Bush is a president thats going to be remembered fondly, it's tough to be a politician when you have a name like benedict arnold. :P or perhaps Alfred Hitler.
or hussein, ha ha. I actually think you just disproved your point; an infamous “name” , no matter how rebuked by the media, is not necessarily representative of the man…. As for Jeb being smarter, you’re basing that on what? 2 second sound bytes? Jeb is very charismatic and very much unlike his brother, comfortable and articulate in front of TV cameras. Last time I checked, GW Bush held a Bachelors degree in History from Yale and a Masters Degree in Business from Harvard, while not necessarily a sign of supreme intelligence, it certainly is an indication “the lights are on, and there is somebody home”. Give additional consideration to the fact that he is a two term Governor of Texas and a two term President of The United States and the argument that his intelligence level is substandard is not only completely without merit, but rather obvious self serving elitist partisan bashing. If you want to attack his policies that’s another issue, heck I find issues that I think were rather short sighted on the part of every administration, but that doesn’t make me question their intelligence, merely their political or personal motives, advice, and soundness of the reference materials used to develop those policies. The continuous media hatchet job on GWB is simply retribution for the Clinton impeachment, something he had absolutely nothing to do with; let’s hope that Obama isn’t subjected to the same relentless espousal of sour grapes as a result of the unfounded attacks on Bush.
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/19/2008 7:17:53 AM | Hey maybe I misunderstood you timpomell, I thought you were saying that the second link contained the information from within, I think I was mistaken due to how you structured the quote boxes, and so I apologize.
http://belowthebeltway.com/2008/12/08/jeb-bush-for-senate-just-say-no/
I actually think you just disproved your point; an infamous “name” , no matter how rebuked by the media, is not necessarily representative of the man…. As for Jeb being smarter, you’re basing that on what? 2 second sound bytes? Jeb is very charismatic and very much unlike his brother, comfortable and articulate in front of TV cameras.
Jeb has consistently been the achiever in his family. I'm complimenting the man, no need to be defensive. As for disproving my point, the one salient difference is that Obama while sharing a name with a third world dictator, does not have the same politics or relation. Jeb Bush on the other hand, shares party membership and many philosophies with his own brother. I'm not saying it is insurmountable by any means but the idea that sharing a name and policies with a president who has less than 25% approval rating is a good thing obviously unrealistic.
My question would be is that in the wide field of qualified Republican candidates, why in the world would you possibly pick the relative of an unpopular ex president, and why in the world would you want 3 of the last 5 presidents to be immediate relatives, why not just call yourself the monarchist party and be done with it?
The continuous media hatchet job on GWB is simply retribution for the Clinton impeachment, something he had absolutely nothing to do with; let’s hope that Obama isn’t subjected to the same relentless espousal of sour grapes as a result of the unfounded attacks on Bush.
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/19/2008 7:26:41 AM |
Last time I checked, GW Bush held a Bachelors degree in History from Yale and a Masters Degree in Business from Harvard, while not necessarily a sign of supreme intelligence, it certainly is an indication “the lights are on, and there is somebody home”. Give additional consideration to the fact that he is a two term Governor of Texas and a two term President of The United States and the argument that his intelligence level is substandard is not only completely without merit, but rather obvious self serving elitist partisan bashing. Oh dear ... I wonder if this is typical of the kind of thinking that is going into finding a suitable person to represent the Republican party for the future.
How Bad is it for Republicans? Pretty darn bad when Republicans actually believe that "The Bush"/"The Dubya"/"The High-Functioning Moron" only gets "bashed" because of self serving elitist partisans. That's just way too funny ...  
In the meantime ... in case anyone is still thinking that Jeb might stand a chance ... here's more opinions I found that describe just how popular (and smart) old Jeb was ...
I live in Florida and recall Jeb's initial "nickname" as Governor as being "Gov. Duh". ... but, considering the hand he had to have played in the 2000 election of President "Duh-b-ya" I would rather see him stay home.
Jeb Bush left his protege, now Gov. Charlie Crist, with a fiscal mess to deal with. The housing foreclosures are huge and unemployment is higher than the national level, as well. He tried to focus on education in Florida, as his brother did with his national program, and left many doubting the efficacy of his programs, to put it mildly. I think Jeb does possess a "likeability factor" giving you the sense he cares (unlike his brother) but, I can't see I really agreed with his vision for the State.
NO MORE FREAKING BUSH FAMILY IN POLITICS OF ANY KIND!! I mean gee whiz what are they trying to do finish off what GWB, JR already killed which is America! Hell no any one with any kind of good sense that was given them would say no to all the Bush relatives, Palin and Guiliani. Send these liars, dummies, theives and crooks home.
Jeb is NOT a Native Floridian. Jeb is a nice guy personally, but his policies, like the 30 years of GOP economic policies failed the people of Florida and bankrupted our State. Florida continues to elect (locally) all of these religious extremists because of the amount of hillbillies and rednecks that live in our rural areas - that coincidentially cling to guns and religion - and midwesterners bringing their fly-over country values and poor driving skills.
Wow! This guy really thinks he has a shot. I guess being delusional runs in the family! Bush 1 was bad, Bush II was horrific, Bush 3? Thank you but no thank give it a rest! I don't think the current generation of voters would consider any of the Bush's any where and I'm assuming that would possibly include at least 1/2 the republicans. The republicans are in crisis, they need to refurbish their reputation. Plus the country's new voters are more diverse ethnically and religiously and they are trending towards democrats. So if they want to stay afloat helloooo no more Bush's!
Oh no..He was a disaster for Florida - He approved the primary date being switched and look at what a disaster that turned out to be. We did appreciate him handing out ice after the 4 hurricanes but thats about it. We dont need or want anymore Bush brothers in office- no way, no how !!!!
Oh well ... I guess I've made my point. It's not just me, it's quite a few.
I suppose there will be those who hang onto something that's just in the process of "sinking" ... kind of like the Titanic ... eh?
OT ... Ya ... I'd say it's pretty bad for the Republicans right now. I mean look at the legacy of the last man they hold so high ... he's considered lower than dirt ... people throw shoes at him ...  | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/19/2008 7:56:35 AM | | If a massively unpopular congress and senate performance rating, a horrible presidential approval rating, and recent electoral paddling doesn't indicate a few problems for the Republican party. You have to wonder what a bad day for the Republican party looks like? | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/19/2008 8:39:53 AM | If a massively unpopular congress and senate performance rating, a horrible presidential approval rating, and recent electoral paddling doesn't indicate a few problems for the Republican party. You have to wonder what a bad day for the Republican party looks like? The "massively unpopular congress and senate performance rating" has actually gotten worse since Democrats won the majority in the 2006 election. So I'm not sure how you attribute that or even feel that is somehow indicative of exclusive GOP influence. As has been pointed out numerous times, as low as GWB's approval rating is, the same polls generally hold Congress at less than 1/2 as favorable as his. http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm As you can see by these polls, by a margin of 10 points, the same people feel as badly as he is doing, the Democratic Congress is doing a full 33% worse...
As I said in post #114: "The left / right trend in Washington is and has always been cycular, and the election results of 2008 are simply the perpetuation of that cycle." This is no more a signal of "the end" of the Republican Party any more than 1960, 1976, or 1992 were; and any more than the election results of 1972, 1980 or 2000, signaled the demise of the Democratic Party. In all cases, the pundits ran with their version of "chicken little" after every single shift in control, even in midterms, it's what pundits get paid to do...
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| How Bad is it for Republicans? Posted: 12/19/2008 11:48:33 PM | Timpomell you'll find you understand the situation better if you actually read the thread, as stated earlier.
Congressional Democrats have a 47% approval rating.
Republicans have a 24%.
So there you go.
http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm
http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_dem.htm
Congressional Republicans have an approval rating in line with Bush. Democrats as a group are rated higher.
Also, if you wan't to make comparisons, you don't compare a mixed body with an individual, it makes more sense to compare individuals with individuals, or heck at least make it so the group members a consistent, the congress after all isn't "democrat" congress, they just make up a small majority.
So once again, Republican congress as a group are rated a full 20 points lower than Democrat. It sucks pretty bad for the Republican party right now. | |
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