| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/21/2008 10:45:30 PM | In the upcoming weeks watch for a report in Time Magazine that will attempt to smooth over the rough edges of a diabolical plot by Bell Canada and Telus, to begin charging per site fees on most Internet sites. The plan is to convert the Internet into a cable-like system, where customers sign up for specific web sites, and then pay to visit sites beyond a cutoff point.
From my browsing (on the currently free Internet) I have discovered that the 'demise' of the free Internet is slated for 2010 in Canada, and two years later around the world. Canada is seen a good choice to implement such shameful and sinister changes, since Canadians are viewed as being laissez fair, politically uninformed and an easy target. The corporate marauders will iron out the wrinkles in Canada and then spring the new, castrated version of the Internet on the rest of the world, probably with little fanfare, except for some dire warnings about the 'evil' of the Internet (free) and the CEO's spouting about 'safety and security'. These buzzwords usually work pretty well.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9627 | |
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/21/2008 11:05:17 PM |
except for some dire warnings about the 'evil' of the Internet (free) and the CEO's spouting about 'safety and security'. These buzzwords usually work pretty well.
Just like they did when they closed down all the free dating options attached to the major home pages and search engines. They saw the human need to reach out as something to exploit, so they shut down the free pages and affiliated themselves with pay dating sites.
The same happened when MSN shut down their free chat rooms, they cited safety and security concerns. | |
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/21/2008 11:16:07 PM | Back in the day when I was young, and the FM radio was new, the government controlled all frequencies. So many of us young, would put together small to medium FM transmitters and broadcast our kind of music and other stuff (the times were troubled - there was a dictatorship in Greece at the time). Many got busted and did jail time. Many more didn't.
I see mobile servers coming into action if this happens, Internet was born free and should stay that way, the times are way more advanced technologically here and now, than they were there and then...
Vive la résistance!
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/21/2008 11:43:38 PM | Well, All i can say to this is if this does come to pass then there will be a lot of people that will be logging off the Internet and go back to using the phone when they want to communicate. I no for sure i will be selling my computer before i will do that. | |
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/21/2008 11:58:02 PM | What an outrageous plan this is !!!!
You might think everyone would log off if this idea becomes real, but we live in a society that doesnt stand up for itself anymore and lets the government do what it wants. People will complain about it but in the end everyone will accept it just like everything else that happens.
Compare what Im saying to the recent Carbon- Tax put on gas prices here in British Columbia. People complained about it but the same amount are still going to the gas pump and filling up like nothing changed. Maybe that is the wrong thing to compare it to but there is many more thing it can be compared to. | |
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/22/2008 12:16:47 AM | | When you get right down to it Internet is not something everyone has to have. It is a luxury that can be done with out. People need gas to get to work everyday. People need food and shelter. People need there health. When you get right down to it when it comes to things that people REALLY need, Internet falls pretty close to the bottom of the list. All i can say is, If this does come true it WILL be the death of the Internet. | |
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/22/2008 12:36:39 AM | It will be interesting to see how this works, after all people already pay to have a website. So they plan to make you pay to visit a website paid for already? The real test will be how many get prosecuted when the way round it is figured out? You can already get free access anyway all you need is a laptop and mobility. It's unbelievable how many people don't p'word protect their wirelesss.
Thats a point will the person have to pay for visiting the sites a webjacker (ooh new crime  ) visits? | |
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/22/2008 3:57:50 AM | This is a big issue. I read that Bell Canada wants to charge extra for accessing sites used for downloading large files. The claim is that a small portion of users are responsible for using a huge percentage of bandwidth and clogging the system. Large companies like Comcast have already been busted for controlling the speed at which different sites load or even excluding sites being hosted by competitors.
Read up on Net Neutrality. Yikes, another example of how "they" must control and regulate things to death....
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/22/2008 4:40:59 AM | This will never happen, no more than the goofy "5 cents per email" crap that was being passed around years ago will happen.
Not only is it a legal and intellectual property/licensing impossibility, but its also a technical impossibility.
The analogy would be like saying that the internet is a highway and that each website is a shop along the road, and that the government is somehow planning to inact a cover charge to each place of business you enter along that road.
Never going to happen.
This is how the internet works -- users pay a fee to the providers to access the highway, website owners pay a fee to the providers to rent the store along the road.
There's no way that can ever change. | |
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/22/2008 4:48:55 AM | Dang it, that'll suck if it's true.
There's no way that can ever change.
Do you have any idea how many different people have said that about how many different things over the centuries? Everything can change. | |
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/22/2008 5:04:28 AM | Okay, I'll be more accurate.
The only way for this to ever change is if every internet provider and every content provider in every single country that has access to the internet all agree to implement this plan in a unified fashion. | |
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| Your modem tax dollars at work
Posted: 7/22/2008 5:50:46 AM | What utter rot. Simply switch ISPs. Just because a couple of the less competant ones are greedy and stupid doesn't mean they all are.
The net works because of the freedom of it all. Any ISP that breaks this is soon replaced by another that isn't quite so lame.
Don't worry about it. It'd just FUD. | |
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/22/2008 6:14:44 AM | ISPs have been floating this nonsense for a number of years ... because it is a hugh business opportunity. The goal is to eventually soften the public to fall for it. Most people do not even realize the large amounts of public money that went into developing the net. ISPs are NOT footing the bill as they claim to be.
Could it happen. Yes, a lot of people fall for BS all the time. The uninformed are businesses best profit margin.
But there is no need to make donations to any group to fight the cause. There are many high profile group already doing it. As well, quite a few large business ventures, google, etc., have a very vested interest in preventing this from happening. (one of the fathers of the net is actually employed by google, probably more of an REAL associate)
Anyway the argument is whether ISPs should be gateways or gatekeepers. Clearly ISPs would prefer to be gatekeepers. The public should be against this in principle as it represents handing over control.
Most ISPs oversell their capacity. It's like a time share condo gone bad. The bandwidth you purchased is actually being resold.
There is buttloads of information in the net regarding this, net neutrality, etc. NONE of the arguments ISPs make to support their position are valid, though a lot of people fall for it. The end result, as hoped by most ISPs, is another influx of public money to grow the net significantly again. That will probably happen.
As higher throughput is demanded by bulk data (video, music, downloading) rather then burst data (webpages) the marketing model fails. That is; overselling doesn't work; ISPs must actually provide consistent bandwidth to users.
Bottom line, the public can be assured that any marketing/persuasion offered by ISPs is, self interest, self centered, not in the public's interest and is 80% BS.
However, traffic shaping, throttling, jitter control etc. are valuable methodologies depending on the application but mostly of little value today as available bandwidth isn't sufficient for the overhead effect.
The silliest ISP argument I heard is 10% of users make it bad for the rest of us. So to solve the problem let's make it bad for everyone. Awesome logic there. Still, if you go to any discussion group about this, there is no shortage of people who actually AGREE with the logic. | |
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/22/2008 6:20:50 AM | The only way for this to ever change is if every internet provider and every content provider in every single country that has access to the internet all agree to implement this plan in a unified fashion.
Really? Try Government legislation passed in one country forcing all LICENCED providers to keep logs of individual net activities for billing purposes. Of course, anyone failing to do so loses the licence..so small providers..if there are any left, who cannot meet this requirement, or refuse to do so disappear , get swallowed up or become illegal operators facing fines, closure and possible jail terms.
How long before MOST countries jump onto THAT band wagon...income from licences is enough to have them drooling.
I have been with the internet almost since it began. Back then there were BBS's and newsgroups where information was freely traded, much of it controversial, including the hacking of shareware passwords to make it 'legal' to use etc
Try finding that information now! Any provider still carrying newsgroups either doesn't update the alt.binaries groups, excludes them altogether, and if you do find a means of accessing them, you discover they are spammed to death, and all the old timers have long since left, and the useful information has long ago died
As far as the web being 'free' , that died long ago., when commercialism took over big time in the form of AOL..they also began the censorship by the way.
Web pages were equally as free with their access and information in the early days..now you either have to 'log on for free' so that they can bombard you with adverts, or 'information you should know about'..or you find they charge a 'small fee' to access anything other than the opening page!
POF is probably one of the last Oasis in the desert of commercialism..it IS free to the user, but like PBS/TVO stations has had to relent to placing ads on the site to cover costs of operation.
This is a culture of Greed these days..no-one gets anything for nothing any more if some smart schmuck can work out a way of making money from it...and the more the better, simple profits are not enough, it has to be mega bucks.
If they can bottle tap water, market it as purer than the stuff you are getting from the same tap, and turn it into a 16 billion dollar a year business..imagine the profits to be made from taking over the internet and charging you to access every site you visit 'for your own safety and security'?
Go figure..even at 10 cents a time, or 10 cents a minute for on line use, it will pay for the necessary equipment installed to track you in about a week..after that it's pure gravy for all those who gain control ..and they are gaining control you can be sure of that.
The internet was a threat from the beginning, but it took governments and big business by surprise..and once they realized the awesome potential of the little guy gaining control of information, they have steadily been eroding that power little by little, and if anyone out there is naive enough to think there is privacy out here and no-one is watching your every more..think again!
Cookies, spyware, malware , and lord knows what else probe your computer every time you log on, and each computer has in ident built in courtesy Microsoft software from the very beginning..you leave footprints as big as a yeti in a freshly fallen snow field, and if you don't think that can be used to track you and charge you a fee ....Dream on !
The nightmare is about to happen...the Big Brothers are watching you.... 
Poshrat..who knows he has been tracked more than once by authorities for his off the wall views.. | |
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/22/2008 10:22:03 AM | I am all for "net neutrality" as well as freedom from the vultures who can't stand to see anyone get anything for free, if they can make a profit. But the internet as a source of free speech has to be silenced by the overlords. Hell, if we can all globally share ideas and opinions contrary to the political propaganda fed to us, how the "F" are they going to ever rule the world?
I had a very interesting experience with internet free speech on ABC's 20/20 blog. After an episode that among other pieces had, John Stossel telling Americans to stop whining about gas prices because Oil Companies had a right to make profits. I tried several times to post a response to both this item as well as a couple of other stories from the same show.
Any posts, including mine, that were critical of 20/20's position on any of the stories or pointed out the obvious conflict of interests (including ads from major pharmaceutical companies, while one of the stories basically slagged and belittled a herbal company's products) were promptly deleted. Only stories glorifying the show or the stance the show took, were allowed to stay. I didn't stop me from copying and pasting the same posts over and over again...with a different title, till I got bored of it.
So, unless we do more than talk about it, the end of free internet and the last remaining bastion for (real) free speech is doomed.
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/22/2008 10:39:08 AM | | I read about this in college. It stated that At@T was pissed that it had to let other companies profit off of the internet space AT@T owned. The article also stated that Google and Yahoo were on the same bandwagon although they would put up faint resistance because paying for internet would allow them to better know how many people/who is using their browsers. I really think if these corporations do what they're planning to do hackers are going to have a fun time screwing with their plans. Anyways if it does happen, which I seriously doubt since Barack is probably going to be in office, many people won't be able to afford it and eventually let internet go forever. | |
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/22/2008 11:13:33 AM | The powers that be have been trying to figure out a way to make large profits from the
infrastructure of the internet for years.
If people put up with this bul**hit then they deserve what they get.
If people dont want to have the one truly egalitarian and mostly free
resource available destroyed by corporate greed, then you had better
get organized and do something about it. March enmasse to the homes of the
cretins who are pushing this, carrying nooses as a not so subtle message they
if they go too far they will end up hanging from a tree. | |
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/22/2008 11:18:44 AM | This rumour has been floating around the internet for a while. It won't happen. Telus and Bell would lose customers in droves to Rogers, Shaw, Cogeco and other ISPs.
Politicians would not stand for it and neither would Canadians.
I could see why some would want more control the Internets, but they would have a very difficult time trying to pull that off. | |
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/22/2008 3:25:08 PM | This rumour has been floating around the internet for a while. It won't happen. Telus and Bell would lose customers in droves to Rogers, Shaw, Cogeco and other ISPs.
Yes..since about 1995 to be exact. That's 13 years of technology updates to bring it about..not to mention lobbying quietly in the background, along with sowing the seeds of paranoia about internet porn, child porn , hate messages and terrorists activities all needing to addressed to bring about controls
If you take the time to unravel the complex structures the MAJOR providers have woven between themselves, any shift of customer base to another is merely a shift into another method of control anyway.
Bell and Telus are now strong enough to propose to begin charging .15c per RECEIVED text message on cell phones, along with outrageous rates for wireless internet
Will customers leave?..oh yes..guess what..the alternatives offered by the 'competitors' will not be long before they fall into line.
Politicians would not stand for it and neither would Canadians.
*pause whilst I laugh* If you think the government is likely to step in and prevent it, you just don't know how politics works!
To begin with, lobby groups pressure for their will to be done..unlike God, they don't do it for the well being of the public at large..they come carrying gifts in the form of donations to the party coffers. In real life it's called a bribe and illegal..but politics is above the law in that respect.
The CRTC has no control over any of the parties involved in the internet..and isn't likely to have any as long as the pressure is kept up to keep it that way...and they don't really express any interst in doing so either.
As for Canadians not standing for it.. I didn't hear any protests so far at the takeovers of independent ISPs by Rogers, Cogeco, and Shaw..all of whom provide a lesser service than the independents they swallowed up and already censor many web sites..'error 404' being quite a common sight on screens these days.
Sorry..but control is already in place..loose at the moment I will admit...but the means to tighten it up is already starting.
In the same way we are forced into 'upgrading' our operating systems as 'improvements' are made..we will be herded into having to pay for access and usage in the same manner as cell phone users are having done to them.
In the early 70's when beef prices began to climb, women boycotted the supermarkets and picket in protest ( yes they did most of the shopping back then)
In the 80's when the oil embrago hit and gas prices doubled, people protested violently...and even waved guns around in the US!
Strange to relate..that was when they began using Ritalin to quieten down unruly kids in classrooms..since then..the younger generations no longer seem to protest loudly any more...they merely grumble and accept it as the 'way it is'
Coincidence maybe? Or have we been numbed out and dumbed down as apart of the overall plan?
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| Death of Free Internet is Imminent
Posted: 7/22/2008 10:47:01 PM | The establishment would love to control the internet as they do the msm .
There has been made in the media an ongoing effort to scare the public into supporting internet control .
Hopefully , people will see through this fear mongering ploy and guard their new found freedom to "unfiltered" information . | |
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