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Posted: 7/23/2008 7:32:34 PM | It's pretty dry here except during a rain and for about 15 minutes after it stops raining...
I'll toss a butt if it's raining or I'm up on the expressway... concrete barriers do a pretty good job of keeping the trash on the road...
If I'm on my bike I'll put it out on my chaps, if it's cold enough to be wearing them, or I'll field strip it before I toss it. If I'm in a state with heavy littering enforcement I'll drop it in my windsheild bag...
Late model cars don't come with lighters... much less ashtrays... gotta get one of those cheap ashtrays that fit in a cupholder.
Years ago I bought an old Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser station wagon JUST because it had a HUGE ashtry in it... awesome car! I could get a half carton's worth of butts in the tray and a queen size air mattress in the back...
I'm generally a considerate smoker... don't smoke where I'm not supposed to and usually do a good job of keeping my butts in check... field strip and put em in my pocket if I'm in public or somebody elses yard...
Occasionally I'm not... If I'm sitting at a bar, chatting or miding my biz... enjoying a beer and a smoke... and every once in a while some fuknut will sit next to me... and then start ****ing about my smoke...
In a case like that I don't mind blowing smoke in somebody's face and telling them to kiss my ass...
Everybody needs at least 2 bad habits... usually when some knucklehead is pissing and moaning about smoking I just write it off as them enjoying one of their bad habits and ignore it... | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 8:07:39 PM | curlygrl -
I know you might not view it as help, but criticism in a way is helping you. It is making you aware of this addiction, and the problems caused by smoking. I really don't believe someone needs to help a smoker quit, if they truly want to. There are enough intelligent reasons for a person to seek the help to quit. Now I am not a smoker, so therefor have never been addicted to them. I don't know what intensity the with-drawl symptoms are, or even if there are with-drawl symptoms, so can't relate in anyway. I know there are hospitals and, programs to help people quit smoking. In my state the cigs are taxed up the yin yang, a lot of the taxes ironically go to pay medical bills and for treatment for smokers lol.
I feel bad for you, as you seem genuinely upset about nonsmokers coming down on you. Personally I don't really care that people smoke, if they want to. I only ask that they be considerate smokers,,, and to keep on point,,, not chuck lit buts out the window, among various other things. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2008 5:21:06 AM | WOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!! Amazing how a plea to not throw cigarettes out of a car window turn out to be a hating thread. I guess there are some mighty guilty conscious out there. Let me make this clear, when I started this thread it was not my intent to bash smokers. I could care less if you smoke five packs a day, just do so responsibly. We all have bad habits but they should not effect other people's lives or property.
Now, since someone opened the door I'll step in. I smoked cigarettes from the time I was 15y/o til the age of 31y/o when my second daughter was diagnosed with asthma. I quite the same day and by then I was smoking a pack a day. I guess I didn't really think about my own life over those years I smoked but there is no way in hell I would put my girls in harms way. So, for me it was a no-brainer. My point from this is, if and when a smoker finds the right reason for them to quite they will. I have been a cardiovascular technologist for over 10 years now and tell patients that come in for nuclear stress testing the same thing. Hell, some of them come for their test smelling like smoke and many of them have already had angioplasty or coronary bypass. I don't candy coat it with them and I think deep down they appreciate my honesty.
For those that truly want to quit, keep trying there is always hope til your last breath. I wish you well and hope you never have to see me or any other in my profession any time soon.
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Posted: 7/24/2008 7:42:32 AM | London Lass,
Unless you've ever been addicted to smoking, all the postings you put up will never make you fully understand. Shit, I don't want to smell like an ashtray or be pounded to death over it. Yes, many worse things I could do. However, I've tried EVERYTHING. I've tried getting hypnotised, all the things on the market and perscriptions. So, until they come up with some kind of magical cure, I'll be a smoker. Even heroine addicts get methadone.
I say it's like this: Ever been on a diet? You don't want to eat, but you get those awful awful stomach cramps and eventually you have to give in to it and have a sandwhich. It starts back out with I'll only have a sandwhich to make the pains go away and before you know it, you're at the buffet.
That's a smoking addiction.
As far as the fire thing goes, in 16 states they now only sell fire safe ciggs. My state included. I think throwing any garbage out the window or leaving it on the ground is nasty, so please put your trash where it belongs. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2008 9:49:44 AM |
I know you might not view it as help, but criticism in a way is helping you.
"People rarely change unless they feel accepted as they are." B!tching at someone or putting them down isn't going to make them stop a damn thing.
It is making you aware of this addiction, and the problems caused by smoking.
Unless one has been living in a cave for the past 30 years, we're already aware of the addiction and problems it causes. We don't need schooled about it.
. I really don't believe someone needs to help a smoker quit, if they truly want to.
K, so when you have a friend who is trying to stop smoking, feel free to sit in front of him and blow smoke in his face. Yes, I know you're not a smoker, but you could do it once or twice. After all, he doesn't need help, right? Btw- sounds kind of condescending to say that smokers need schooled and then turn around and say they don't need help, dontcha think?
I don't know what intensity the with-drawl symptoms are, or even if there are with-drawl symptoms, so can't relate in anyway.
Exactly. You have no clue. It's been said that quitting smoking is harder than getting off heroin. Now you know. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2008 12:02:40 PM |
"People rarely change unless they feel accepted as they are."
Well that makes little to no sense at all. If they are accepted as they are, why would they change? Its the same as saying if its not broke don't fix it. Ignorance is bliss. What bothers me more then anything is you seem to think you don't effect others. Its not all about you. Sure you may have an addiction, but you choose to do nothing about it. Don't find fault in my smoking complaints, because it goes against your nasty habit.
B!tching at someone or putting them down isn't going to make them stop a damn thing.
no as stated afore, its up to the smoker to quit. Causing awareness of the problem, and how it effects everyone around them, is a reminder of what they are doing. At the very least it may prompt them to be a bit more considerate to non smokers.
Unless one has been living in a cave for the past 30 years, we're already aware of the addiction and problems it causes. We don't need schooled about it.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!! But yet almost on a daily basis I have to tell someone to not blow smoke in my face, or not to smoke at the job site, or in my truck???? Go figure. You know all the facts about smoking and how it effects others, but yet you still do it? LOL I could care less that you quit smoking, as I have already said, I only care that you are a considerate smoker. You obviously can't deal with that, so why on earth would I expect you to muster up the will power to quit smoking?
K, so when you have a friend who is trying to stop smoking, feel free to sit in front of him and blow smoke in his face. Yes, I know you're not a smoker, but you could do it once or twice. After all, he doesn't need help, right? Btw- sounds kind of condescending to say that smokers need schooled and then turn around and say they don't need help, dontcha think?
well apparently your inability to stop smoking is also effecting your ability to read. If you go back to who I responded to, you will note that I was referring to not needing a specific persons help, as there was plenty of help offered. It would be up to the smoker to decide once and for all to actually quit. No difference then any other addiction. However clearly you just need the security blanket, of the woe is me bandwagon.
Exactly. You have no clue. It's been said that quitting smoking is harder than getting off heroin. Now you know.
yes as I said lol. I love the "Its been said" thing, so let me give you a few that I have heard. "Its been said, it is mind of matter",,,, "its been said that it was just a matter of deciding not to smoke anymore". See what I did there? I am pretty sure that you want to create a mountain of reasons for you not to quit smoking, as I am sure it makes you somehow feel better about yourself, and that is fine. I would only ask that you try not to get into a logical debate with me or anyone else who doesn't smoke, because you effect us all, so try not to be so selfish. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2008 12:54:00 PM | Looks like I touched a nerve.  I love it when people have to resort to attacking my intelligence. 
Anyway....
1. Think about the quote. Oh, hell, I'll just spell it out- It means that when you nag someone all the damn time they are going to be resistant to change. When they are comfortable with themselves and others are comfortable with them, they will strive to become a better person. In other words positive works, negative doesn't.
2. What makes you think that *I* don't think I affect others? I'd like to see the answer to this before I point out where you're clearly wrong.
3. It's all about ME!! in my world, and that's all that matters.  Seriously though, I don't know where that came from.
4. I COULDN'T care less (you imply you can actually care less about my smoking which means you care a little at least) about your complaints about smokers. I'm just pointing out to you the other side of the coin. People who have never had addictions of this severity like to spout off at the mouth but don't take time to look at the other side of it. Self-righteousness isn't very flattering.
5. AGAIN, we don't need reminding. Most of us in this day and age are considerate of others while smoking. We see the "reminders" in the media everyday, and the laws just keep getting stricter. We can't smoke in public places anymore, so I'm guessing that qualifies as a "reminder" as well. If the people you hang out with need reminding, then maybe you should pick better friends/workers.
6. I can't deal with what? I AM a courteous smoker. I don't even smoke in my OWN house or car when others are around that don't smoke.
7. I haven't chose to stop smoking at this point, so there is no "mustering" anything up. I guarandamntee you though that when I do go to quit, I will give it everything I have. It won't be my first rodeo.
8. Everyone needs help in situations like this. Encouragement, a hand to hold, a shoulder to cry on, etc. Patches, pills, and hypnotherapy don't always cut it. THAT is my point.
9. I'm pretty sure it's the American Heart and Lung association that compares quitting smoking to a heroin addiction. It's one of those organizations, so it's not just "I heard from some fool on the street". I don't need to create a mountain of reasons to not quit because I haven't made the choice yet. I just don't feel like it. That's my "excuse".
10. I will get into a logical debate with whomever I want. I'm pretty seasoned in online debating, so I'm pretty sure I can hold my own. Thanks for your concern though. 
11. People are selfish over lots of things all the time. It's not just smokers. If I wasn't selfish for smoking, I would be selfish for something else.  | |
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Posted: 7/24/2008 5:31:05 PM | WOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!! Amazing how a plea to not throw cigarettes out of a car window turn out to be a hating thread.
Oh come on- You knew what it would start. You knew perfectly well that this
was not started to inform us all that smokey the bear still lives. It was
started to bring to attention how careless, rude and offending smokers are-
they give a shit about nothing - not thier health, your health or the health
of the planet. We have one track minds and that is only to inhale that
nicotine, tar and god knows what else into our lungs- evil I say, Evil!!!
LOL!!!
OP- good thread man. Live green. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2008 5:34:46 PM | This thread has gotten me to think about smoking even more. 
*rocks back and forth mumbling about something* | |
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Posted: 7/24/2008 11:37:22 PM | We smoke so we dont strangle the Up tight ritzy people... And, How about the idiots on the cell phone driveing>? I BET !! your one of those idiotic girls. :modhammer: | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 3:18:15 AM | I think the thing is to differentiate between careless people and smokers.
In my opinion, smokers are careless. Unless of course that smoker only smokes around other smokers and people who are completely willing to die from second hand smoke.
In my town, they have talked about trying to pass a smoking ban in bars and restaurants like other near-by towns have. I hear people saying "it's my RIGHT to smoke". While I do agree, that it is everyone's right to kill themselves in their own particular idiom, it is not your right to kill everyone around you while doing so. Think about it. Children eat at these restaurants too. Would you let a child smoke? Probably not. So don't smoke anywhere around them where they can be affected by the smoke. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 9:38:27 AM | Or you could just take your non-smoking family to an establishment that doesn't allow smoking. Restaurants and bars are privately owned businesses and I feel if they choose to allow smoking in their privately owned business then that's their right. Bars are losing a lot of money because of smoking bans. There are lots of people that don't smoke unless they're drinking as well. Just since the smoking bans were very recently placed in my area, several bars have had to shut down.
Back to cars and fires.....
I'll stop throwing my butts out the window when people get cell phones surgically detached from the sides of their heads. Deal? Cool. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 10:25:45 AM | | So rawrrrr, are you admitting that you will continue to thow your still hot butts out the window? That question is also for everyone that went all out to Mars with this thread. To me, it is the same as if you said "I will continue to drink and drive no matter if I kill someone while doing it." As I stated previously, people will quit smoking and/or throwing butts out of their car windows when something major in their life warrants it. Lets just hope it is not at the cost of any type of life. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 3:15:24 PM | It would be nice if this was illegal. However, we have a reason for it. Years ago, there were ashtrays on all the public litter bins in the UK. Then the councils took them away. Then the government banned smoking in all public and office buildings. So now, smokers are forced to smoke outside. But the ashtrays were never returned. So now, UK citizens have to smoke outside, and have nowhere to put their butts. They don't even have somewhere to put it out. So smokers are forced to drop their butts, live, in the outside.
The same happens in cars. People are so anti-smoking that it's no longer acceptable to let your butts sit in your car. So people throw them outside.
So non-smokers are actively encouraging people to leave live butts outside, and that is forming a habit that is causing those fires.
You cannot just judge people as being bad, ban something and not provide facilities to support those people. You just encourage more problems that way. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 4:59:58 PM |
The same happens in cars. People are so anti-smoking that it's no longer acceptable to let your butts sit in your car. So people throw them outside.
Stop smoking in your car, then they won't have to throw the butts anywhere. Sheesh, it's not rocket science. Or be creative... my dad smokes in his car and he uses a tin can where the cup holder is to mash out his butt, and then empties it at home. There are other options than just tossing it out the window. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 5:14:02 PM | *Kat lights up a ciggy* Aaaahhh....
My name is Kat...I am a smoke-aholic! :)
I smoke in my own home and car...but since I smoke menthol, I detest the smell of non-mentholated cigarettes. (The "ashtray" smell, already mentioned) I do not like car ashtrays, so I have one of the cup holder ashtrays...and I DESPISE people who toss a ciggy out a moving vehicle...or who toss ANYTHING out a moving vehicle, for that matter!
I once had a vehicle I was driving to trade in...and discovered it had a major fuel leak. The mechanic told me, "You are so lucky someone did not toss a smoke out, in front of you!" How true that was, I dunno...but it scared the sh1t outta me...and...it's just GROSS to litter, period...whether there is a risk of fire, or not.
BUT...second hand smoke? Pffft! My cigs have filters AND my lungs filter it additionally, before it ever reaches you!  That is my reasoning...I am stickin' with it!
Seriously...I have NO problem with being a courteous smoker...until county governments start laying out smoking bans without community votes, and forcing business owners to comply with such. It happened in a nearby community to me...and ALL the restaurants are shutting down and MOVING. I also have a prob like Deerdogs...if someone wants to be in a facility where smoking IS allowed, and gets all dramatic with the hand waving, lip pursing, sighing attitude...they get a face full of the sh1t...and I prolly intentionally did not inhale! (See those filtered thoughts, above!)  This is common in casinos...go to the non-smoking section, for fvcks sake!
Edit to add to stay on topic!! LOL Oh..YES...the smoker should be liable. Have fun proving it! :) I truly think most fires as such are simply BLAMED on a cigarette, cause they cannot find another reason. Poor ciggy! | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 5:24:30 PM |
I smoked cigarettes from the time I was 15y/o until the age of 31y/o when my second daughter was diagnosed with asthma. I quite the same day and by then I was smoking a pack a day. I guess I didn't really think about my own life over those years I smoked but there is no way in hell I would put my girls in harms way.
It's interesting how many men will give up suddenly like that, workerbee68 isn't the only father of girls I have known to make that life changing decision and stick by it, so kudos to him, anyway. I think this phenomenon demonstrates that contrary to men haters' opinion, men can actually be very children orientated and care for them as dedicatedly as women do. On the other hand I weep when I see clearly pregnant women smoking away regardless of the proven damage it does to their unborn child. But of course what a woman does with her body is of no concern to men is it.
Amongst my many driving jobs, I have worked in patient transport, I felt amazed by the number of middle and later aged heavy smokers who had leg amputations but who even then would not accept the damage they were doing to themselves with the leaf. You feel compassionate towards stroke victims who struggle to regain mobility, not all are due to poor diet, you can be born with a weakness towards CVAs. But it began to drain on my limited reserves of compassion when week after week I was collecting smokers to take to day physio. And they would even berate me for insisting they didn’t smoke on an ambulance, which incidentally carried oxygen, as well as other sick people who probably wouldn’t want to smell stale smoke. So it's been my repeated experience that for every smoker who proclaims consideration for non smokers there are 10 who just don't care. Admittedly I was in a minority of drivers, I reckon about 75% smoked so I that’s why I left that job after arguing once too often with the boss about colleagues who smoked against the regulations in the ambulances. The boss also been a smoker (driving been a stressful job?) failed in his legal duty to me. If I was a high earning executive in the NHS I could of claimed a bundle for constructive dismissal, but heh, life sucks, I am not bitter.
So I’ll say again to all smokers, you had it easy in the past, non smokers were made to feel the outcasts and HAD to accept smoke as part of their life. In a work place with 95% smokers, the 5% would be accused of been arrogant or not ‘team players’ if they tried to avoid the smoke in the canteen. Now the boot is on my foot, but of course you have to complain much more vociferously then we ever did. All the years of feeling nauseous, having clothing stink of stale smoke, coughs and smarting eyes meant nothing to you smokers. But now you can’t have a beer and a fag you are writhing around like a fish out of water complaining about your rights. Anti smoking measures have only been successfully pushed recently through because of the strain on health services, not any real concern to the rights of non smokers to breathe smoke free air.
Profile of the Sociopath:
They never recognise the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviours as permissible.
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities.
Living on the edge.
Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause.
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
H. Cleckley and R. Hare.
We usually try to lock away people with mental diseases that interfere with their ability to function in and to the detriment of a social society. Here’s a thought. Maybe the selfishness of the majority of smokers is due to the leaf. Does nicotine affect the part of the brain that most people use to judge how others in their society are affected by their actions. Look again at the list of characteristics, they seem awfully like some smokers behaviour. Smokers live on the edge, craving their next nicotine high, they deny they have a problem, saying they actually want to smoke. They feel entitled to smoke even if it cause problems for others. They believe in their own powers to avoid death through cancer etc. Therefore, smokers are sociopaths. And as such they don’t have the right to complain about been told what to do, as their judgement is faulty and they have to be nannied for their own benefit.
An extreme reaction but until both sides agree to and adhere to a workable compromise that’s what we are going to swing between. As I have already said with examples from my own experience, even with clear rules, some smokers still do their own thing regardless. Unless you wish to argue that these examples are indeed sociopaths who happen to smoke also.
love and peace
hug someone new today 
regards from 158, defender of the faith, the weak and the ridiculous. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 5:34:21 PM |
BUT...second hand smoke? Pffft! My cigs have filters AND my lungs filter it additionally, before it ever reaches you! That is my reasoning...I am stickin' with it!
That's smart reasoning, perhaps you'd like to tell that to my grandma... oh wait, you can't, she died of second hand smoke from living in a house with a smoker. She never smoked a day of her life and the doctors said that when she died, she had the lungs of a smoker. Hmm... maybe my grandpa didn't always smoke cigarretes with filters? Yeah, that was the problem.
Pffft! Leave it to a smoker to try to deny the proof of what a cigarette can really do to a persons health. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 6:07:33 PM | ^^I'll try telling her tonight during the seance we are performing!! ;)
Sheesh...lighten up...was a JOKE. I lost family to lung cancer as well...it's not pretty. Neither is a LOT of "bad habits" that people continue in spite of such.
However...there is just as much NEW INFO about secondhand smoke nowadays, that makes it a fairly divided issue. YOU believe which ones YOU want to...and I will believe MINE. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 6:19:32 PM | We usually try to lock away people with mental diseases that interfere with their ability to function in and to the detriment of a social society. Here’s a thought. Maybe the selfishness of the majority of smokers/VOTERS is due to the leaf/GREED. Does nicotine/BELIEVING BS affect the part of the brain that most people use to judge how others in their society are affected by their actions? Look again at the list of characteristics, they seem awfully like some smokers/VOTERS behaviour. Smokers/VOTERS live on the edge, craving their next nicotine/POLITICAL LIE high, they deny they have a problem, saying they actually want to smoke/VOTE. They feel entitled to smoke/VOTE even if it cause problems for others. They believe in their own powers to avoid death/RUIN through cancer/CORRUPTION etc. Therefore, smokers/VOTERS are sociopaths. And as such they don’t have the right to complain about been told what to do, as their judgement is faulty and they have to be nannied for their own benefit.
An extreme reaction but until both sides agree to and adhere to a workable compromise that’s what we are going to swing between. As I have already said with examples from my own/AND OUR experience, even with clear rules, some smokers/VOTERS still do their own thing regardless. Unless you wish to argue that these examples are indeed sociopaths who happen to smoke/VOTE also.
There are more troubles on this earth than there are stars in our skies and we all get to choose which trouble us the most. We don't need to be locked up because we are already imprisoned by our desires.
Debate your troubles all you like but DON'T VOTE unless TRUTH is on the ballot. No TRUTH? Scribble REVOLT...or just push all the buttons at once...ok...at ease people...smoke 'em if ya got'm. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 7:55:59 PM | | What's the line? Don't hate the child - hate the behavior. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 8:06:52 PM | When I smoked, I didn't throw any out the window.
And I didn't even smoke in my car until after asking everyone in the car if it was okay.
Candid is right. It isn't smokers that do these things, it's ***holes who smoke. The person who lives above me flicks his cigarettes off the balcony...because he's an ***hole who smokes, not because he smokes.
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Posted: 7/26/2008 2:44:04 PM | However...there is just as much NEW INFO about secondhand smoke nowadays, that makes it a fairly divided issue. YOU believe which ones YOU want to...and I will believe MINE.
Fact #1: There are 11 known carcinogens in cigarette smoke.
Fact #2: Not all of the smoke from a cigarette is filtered. Some inevitably escapes without being filtered. If you don't believe me, just take a look at the tip of your cigarette while you are not puffing on it. Guess what? Unfiltered smoke is being released!!!
Fact #3: While smokers like to compare their cigarette smoking to my consumption of alcohol or poor eating habits, unlike their smoking, my consumption habits have no direct negative health effects on those around me.
I would love for you to share some of the facts that lead you to believe that second hand smoke can be considered a divided issue by any intelligent individual.
Unless you are a smoker who completely isolates yourself when you smoke, I will consider you to be inconsiderate and ignorant. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2008 3:02:48 PM | RSwindol...here are some good links to fair, non-biased information on SHS (Second Hand Smoke) and some of the propaganda behind all the hype!
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/index.html
http://www.idahofallstoday.com/2007/03/26/reason-vs-fear-combatting-the-second-hand-smoke-debate/
"Enough odds-talk. Back to the facts - how much cigarette smoke is the public really exposed to? The EPA study claims that someone who is around cigarette smoke regularly (for example, a bar tender) smokes the equivalent of 1/5 of a cigarette a day. However, according to the same study, that number somehow adds up to 4 cigarettes a year. Now, I’m no mathematician, but that doesn’t seem to add up to me - but I guess if I say that with a 90% confidence level, I guess I don’t have to be right."
Personally, I think the consumption of alcohol (which I do, as well) causes more problems and deaths...than SHS. And yes...to others...check on drunk driving stats! | |
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Posted: 7/26/2008 5:19:09 PM | | Since we are way off the original topic let me add this, do your research on how second hand smoke effects asthmatics and others with respiratory problems. Address the issue for what it is and stop comparing it with other things to try justifying it. If you can smoke without it effecting others then by all means do so. But if there is the slightest chance you could cause someone harm and you smoke, in my eyes, you are reckless and inconsiderate. I am pro choice about everything as long as the results only effect the one making the decision. | |
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