| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 8:27:48 AM | | Good point teachpeace, the Obama camp didn't mention this until the McCain camp tried to use wounded troops his political campaigne ( exactly what Obama was afraid of). the Republicians always talk about being patriotic, but is is just that talk. Remember it was Bush and McCain's blunder of get us in a needless war that has our troops in this situation, yet they have the never to question someone's patriotism | |
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 8:43:41 AM |
Obama Camp Pins Scrubbed Troop Visit on Pentagon Obama Camp says Pentagon Tried to Limit Planned Troop Visit in Germany; Pentagon Pushes Back
Pentagon Disputes Obama Camp's Version Gibbs explained the details of the planning of the visit, known as the tick tock, and suggested the Pentagon came to the Obama campaign late in the game, citing a regulation issue in making the case for the Obama campaign to cancel the visit.
The Obama campaign and the Pentagon are offering different versions of why Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., scrubbed his planned trip to visit U.S. troops in Germany. (ABC News Photo Illustration)The campaign would not answer whether Obama was denied outright from visiting the base.
Gibbs said Gration had been in contact with the Pentagon for three weeks during the planning of the visit. On July 15 or 16, he said the campaign received a PPR, a "prior permission required" -- which was required to land a nonmilitary aircraft (Obama's campaign plane) at an airbase in Germany.
But on Wednesday, Gibbs said, Gration received new information from the Pentagon, saying that this visit would be viewed as a campaign stop.
He said the Pentagon said Obama could visit wounded troops from Illinois in his capacity as a senator, but that was it. Gration dealt with the legislative affairs office within the office of Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.
"He could go as a United States senator, but it was pretty clear from the guidance that we received from the Pentagon that the trip would be viewed as a campaign stop," Gibbs told reporters Friday. "Given the information that we had received, Senator Obama made the decision that we were not gonna have wounded men and women become involved in a campaign event or what would be perceived as a campaign event."
Gibbs said Obama made the final decision to cancel the visit after consulting with advisers on his Thursday flight from Tel Aviv to Berlin.
Gibbs then said either way -- if they kept the visit on their schedule or not -- it would have been criticized. "We might have gotten criticism for going, [but] we have been criticized for not going."
Related More U.S. Troops Directed to AfghanistanCoincidence? Nein! McCain at Sausage HausMcCain: Obama's Plan Could Reverse Iraq ProgressAt the Pentagon, spokesman Bryan Whitman denied that the Pentagon had discouraged Obama from visiting the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center. Obama was "absolutely" told he could visit the troops at Landstuhl, said Whitman.
However, the issue of his visit was dealt with by hospital officials and military officials in Europe familiar with Pentagon guidelines for visits to military installations by a political campaign.
Whitman said Obama is "certainly welcome to visit a military medical facility any time he wants to," as long as that visit was consistent with that of a sitting senator.
He added, "We do have certain policy guidelines for political campaigns and elections and what's appropriate and not appropriate in those situations. But, the Pentagon, to use your words, certainly did not tell the senator that he could not visit Landstuhl."
The spokesman said that because Obama is both a sitting senator and a political candidate, any visit to Landstuhl would have had to be undertaken within the restrictions that apply to both.
"When you are doing things like a visit to Landstuhl you need to do it in your sitting capacity or you have to do it within the restrictions that apply to any other candidate that might be running for office that is not a sitting senator. So you have to be able to draw those distinctions. Generally speaking the military tries very hard not to get involved in political campaigns."
According to Whitman, Senate staffers could have accompanied Obama, but not campaign staffers. "It would be appropriate to do that with your Senate staff and obviously not with your campaign staff." He added that it would be easy to differentiate the two, "either you work for the senator's staff or you work on the campaign staff, it's very different."
Any discussion of cameras or photographers accompanying Obama was "off the table," said Whitman, who stressed that because of privacy issues, no photography is allowed at Landstuhl.
Whitman noted that during his visit to Iraq, Obama visited a military medical facility, but did so under the auspices of his participation in a congressional delegation, a CODEL.
"There's a distinction that he was part of a CODEL for his visit to Iraq and Afghanistan, then he terminated his participation in the CODEL and then went off to do other things," said Whitman.
ABC News' Jake Tapper, and David Wright contributed to this report.
So who do we believe.....? The Pentagon or Obama? I chose the Pentagon..as they have no dog in this fight! The rules are the rules and the Obama camp knew very well what the rules were in advance....Once again Obama has proven it's Just Words.....just Speechs.... | |
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 9:42:10 AM | Brandie, the title still does not mean that the reason for canceling the trip was so that Obama would have time to work out at the hotel, the Ritz Carlton, before departing. It might be interpreted to suggest some degree of callousness if he used that time that would have been spent with the wounded troops to instead work out. BTW, there was a photo released of someone who was working out in the gym at the same time as Obama, who asked for a autograph and a picture with him. So we do know the time he was working out. I don't know if this really was the same time the visit with the troops was scheduled.
In regards to your AP quote:
The senator also said he had canceled a planned trip to visit wounded members of the armed forced in Germany after officials told him a retired two-star general who is an adviser was considered campaign staff and "it would therefore be perceived as political because he had endorsed my candidacy but wasn't on the Senate staff."
The military isn't stupid and neither are the American people. The Obama camp could have requested that the retired general be allowed to accompany him as a former military officer. Most likely they would have OK'ed that. If not, the general could have remained in the hotel. It's not that complicated. And really I must ask: did Obama need the crutch of a former military officer to know how to act among the wounded soldiers? My opinion: the entire purpose for Obama being on the trip was political, whether he was accompanying the congressional delegation or not. Look at the carefully choreographed meetings with the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, shooting hoops and so forth. Note that MSNBC reporter Andrea Mitchell, who has been strongly pro-Obama, took a dim view of the video released during these visits since no reporters were allowed to make interviews during them. She called the video released "fake interviews" since they were conducted by the military. So the entire purpose of the trip was political. But the wounded troop visit permitted no cameras or campaign staff and even press releases afterwards extolling Obama's virtue in visiting the wounded troops would be frowned upon, so the visit would be completely private and therefore would have no value according to the purpose of Obama's overseas trip. In short: No photo ops, no visit.
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 9:47:49 AM |
"There's a distinction that he was part of a CODEL for his visit to Iraq and Afghanistan, then he terminated his participation in the CODEL and then went off to do other things," said Whitman.
Other things meaning playing basketball or going to a gym where photo ops are allowed?
..terminating his participation in the CODEL... kinda like... putting his name to a document to accept Public Funding for campaigns and then negating that document... going against his signature agreement...going against his word. | |
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 9:48:06 AM | | I agree 100% with PhillyFellow...the only way Obama would talk to the poor deluded (to be nice) mercenaries (not so nice) wounded by the heroic Islamic freedom fighters (yeah I'm being nasty but my son just got back from there thankfully unwounded and not suffering from PTSD) would be if there was some political gain in it for him. | |
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 10:14:03 AM |
We may not be getting the whole story. I read earlier that Obama was DENIED a meeting with wounded soldiers, that the orders came down from above. Even if that is not the case, the reason he gave, not trying to use them to his political advantage is a valid one and shows real integrity. As another person has pointed out...it is better than using them as props and then screw*ng them over at every turn as the Bush administration has done.
You need to keep in mind this is the excuse the Obama campaign is giving for why they canceled the trip. The military made clear the rules for visiting the wounded soldiers well before the planned visit: no cameras, no campaign staff, no politicking of any kind, and the Obama camp was well aware of those rules before Obama decided to cancel it. So this is CAN NOT be the real reason for canceling the visit. Therefore the Obama camp has not revealed what the real reason is. I came up with some possible reasons, none of which are very flattering to Obama:
1.)No photo ops, no visit. 2.)Obama was just coming off a high of speaking before the huge crowds in Berlin. Visiting wounded soldiers, many of whom suffered the terrible injuries due to war, would have been too much of a downer. 3.)Obama is a fanatic about his exercise. If in his mind the visit was low priority, he might have canceled it for that reason. (I don't say this is a likely reason.) 4.)Obama does not have a high regard for military service. Remember that botched Memorial Day service which showed, from of an off the cuff comment he made, that he didn't know the difference between Memorial Day and Veterans Day? That to me shows he never cared enough to understand the difference. There was also a speech he gave last year on a college campus on Memorial Day in which he only addressed how the students there could serve their country in other ways rather than joining the military. On a day devoted to honoring those who made the supreme sacrifice in service to their country he did not address honoring those who were killed in action. On that basis, you can imagine it is easy for Obama to visit troops laughing and joking with them and playing basketball. It is a different thing when he has to face squarely the extreme sacrifices the men and women who serve in the military sometimes make and how those who do should be honored.
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 11:33:23 AM | | Isn't it odd how in non-election years we see clips and pics (taken by press or PR staff) of elected officials, their staffers, their wives and their children visiting wounded military personnel all the time. Call it what you want -- concern, good PR, padding the files for election years, etc. -- it's a photo op regardless of the season or purported reason. A visit from an elected official never healed anyone or provided them with the essential benefits/care they deserve. Pot, kettle, black. | |
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 11:43:47 AM | What gets me about this specific topic is that McCain has made several..many..trips to where our Troops are... not only over the course of many years...but, even specifically since Iraq and visited with the Troops in all settings.... hospitals included...without any whoopie hoopie photo sessions, etc. Instead.. just to be there and talk to them.
Never ever ever underestimate that the wounded Troops don't appreciate any official from visiting. They do. Been there, seen it.. It's a very simple case of actually showing the emotion and caring for the Troops... away from the limelight. | |
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 12:27:33 PM | Never ever ever underestimate that the wounded Troops don't appreciate any official from visiting. They do. Been there, seen it.. It's a very simple case of actually showing the emotion and caring for the Troops... away from the limelight. It's VERY important, whether it ultimately makes a tangible difference or not. The troops don't want to feel they are forgotten, or overlooked, for giving such a supreme sacrifice, which in many cases will dramatically affect their lives, as long as they live. And quite often, they are indeed overlooked.
Obama should have done this, whether it meant more votes and contributions or not. But, since he's never had any kind of military experience, it's doubtful he understands the importance of such gestures, from their perspective.
-Suth'nBoy
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 12:58:02 PM |
Obama should have done this, whether it meant more votes and contributions or not. But, since he's never had any kind of military experience, it's doubtful he understands the importance of such gestures, from their perspective.
Obama has visited wounded soldiers many times. It's pretty clear he understands the importance of their sacrifice - enough that he doesn't even want the appearance of scoring political points.
McCain holds the same values - he has a son in Iraq and is scrupulous not to use that for political advantage. | |
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 1:00:44 PM |
Actually McCain did generate PR over those visits or you wouldn't know about them. BFD he visited them. Then he voted to jack them outta their benefits. His fellow vets! That's low.
Go read the actual Congressional Bill and what McCain wanted. It's called benefits based on seniority and the Troops even agreed with that. Plus, McCain tried and tried to get the Democratic pork cut from the bill which had nothing to do with troops.
McCain is for the troops. Everyone and their brother now knows the details of that 'Congressional Bill'... which is why it isn't newsworthy anymore. The truth came out. | |
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 1:27:50 PM | Hey Philly! Thank ya Sir!!
Just don't get me started with my sermon though.. It gets pretty vigorous.. As a suth'nboy after all, ..I'm no stranger to the 'travelin' tent circuit'! Still recovering from yesterday's delivery.. That was a doozy! Phew!
So many souls to bring home, sooo little time..
-Suth'nBoy 
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 1:28:33 PM | It is accepted practice for politicians to leave the media and entourage behind when visiting wounded soldiers Not if the reason for such visit is to use the media . Hellloooo I mean, come on, why waste all that energy when none of your supporters will see the footage on live TV, right? Course, one mustn't forget that McCain's posse are hot on your heals, just waiting for an opportunity to expose such things. (IMO)
What gets me about this specific topic is that McCain has made several..many..trips to where our Troops are... not only over the course of many years.. 6, I believe, is the exact number of trips, 5 of which were not covered upon McCain's request. (clearly not giving a rats a$$ about impressing the dumpster rats we call reporters..) | |
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 1:34:25 PM | | You guys can just have your little Obama bash fest, count me out. None of you are even considering entertaining the other side of the story, so go ahead and make your voodoo dolls and talk amongst yourselves about how evil he is. Now McCain's even got a commercial out about this very subject~yeap, all them voters in Kintuckah and Virgin-ee-a will be right happy 'bout that one. You may continue with the burning of the truth in effigy. | |
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 1:53:22 PM | Obama has visited wounded soldiers many times. It's pretty clear he understands the importance of their sacrifice - enough that he doesn't even want the appearance of scoring political points. Got to give Mr Obama credit where credit is due. When he is coming up with excuses for those all-too-frequent missteps, usually based on inexperience, he can be fairly convincing.
Once again I ask, what else could he have said? There were no other options. This was an awkward situation for him, and somehow he had to make it go away.
Bottom line though, he shouldn't have needed excuses. He should have followed through on his commitment, regardless of potential public exposure.
-Suth'nBoy 
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 2:11:44 PM | | Go to the Veterans for Common Sense website for articles and links regarding McCain's voting record specific to troop and veteran issues. I don't have to misrepresent his actions. They speak for themselves. | |
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 3:03:55 PM |
What gets me about this specific topic is that McCain has made several..many..trips to where our Troops are... not only over the course of many years...but, even specifically since Iraq and visited with the Troops in all settings.... hospitals included...without any whoopie hoopie photo sessions, etc. Instead.. just to be there and talk to them.
So you're saying McCain is using the injured troops for political puroses?
Anyway, Obama has been to visit the wounded, just hasn't made a big deal out of it as we are more interested with REAL issues and that is what Obama is focused on. | |
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/28/2008 3:39:15 PM | | Lots of people are assuming the worst about Obama without proof. Obama didn't go because the Pentagon didn't want him to use it for his campaign and the rightwing spin machine would have accused him of politicizing the visit. Obama avoided the visit out of respect for the troops. | |
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/29/2008 5:48:25 AM | | dont know the mans reasons for not visiting the troops in germany, might be the same reason he chose not visit them in iraq or afghanistan. i guess photo ops ,shooting some hoops is more important to the U.S. SENATOR. maybe the media was right in some of its character analysis of the senator. his political views may be far left, and feels no need to form a relationship with the military. his visit to the middle east was nothing more than a photo op for his political gain. i am neither a republican or democrat, just an independant who isnt tranced into the tunnel vision of most party purists. obama showed his true colors, plain and simple he put his scrotum in a grinder and deserves in my humble opinion to be ground up. | |
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/29/2008 6:18:16 AM | How about the work out???
What a Man........
"Bild Reporter with Obama in the Gym," was the banner headline of the Friday edition of the German tabloid Bild published the day after Obama's visit to the German capital. "While thousands waited for him at the Victory Column," wrote Judith Bonesky," I, the Bild reporter, met Barack Obama alone -- in the gym!"
The story contained a florid description of Obama's physical attributes, praising his "well-trained arms," "his tight rear view," and how he lifted the masculine 32-kilogram (70-pound) dumbbells "first 10 times with his right arm, then 10 times with his left." And then there was the culmination: "Barack put his arm around my shoulders. I held him round the waist. Wow! He isn't even sweating!" And, lastly, there was Bonesky's conclusion: "What a man!" | |
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/29/2008 6:36:18 AM |
dont know the mans reasons for not visiting the troops in germany, might be the same reason he chose not visit them in iraq or afghanistan
Big fat lie. He went to Walter Reid in the green zone on his first part of the trip. The reason you didn't know? TA-DAAA! No cameras! | |
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| Obama skips visit to wounded troops, works out instead. Posted: 7/29/2008 8:04:50 AM | It is just amazing how uninformed people are... he did visit the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, the problem came when the he got to Germany the trip was being paid for by the campaigne and the Senate Dilegation was already on the way back to the U.S.
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