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Posted: 8/4/2008 8:25:03 AM |
I figure that we are all human and the proportion of good people/bad people is the same no matter what circle you're running around.
Umm, no it isn't. The proportion of bad people in the church is much higher than outside of it, in my experience. Not sure why. Maybe it's because church-goers are a group of people who need to go to church in order to make themselves FEEL like they are good people ha ha...that last bit is just a theory lol :) But personally, I know I’m a good person. Not perfect, just good enough, and if I wanted to be better I guess I could but I don’t ha ha. I don’t need to go to church. Plus I don’t believe in god anyway, which is kind of a sign of intelligence if you ask me ha ha. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 10:12:19 AM | You might define your space,as you see fit.
If you convince me and best evidence supports you
and my piano player(Yale philosophy) sees merit you're
still arguing theology.Leave that to people who enjoy it.
I'm live without a net but when I fall religion is the net.
But live no net is more me
You have the natural right to trust to nothin' just know
things come out right ...as the song goes.
If it's not fun...no man's worth it! | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 12:13:03 PM |
Plus I don’t believe in god anyway, which is kind of a sign of intelligence if you ask me ha ha.
Einstein believed so much in the power of the mind, that he believed in God. He believed that man created God, not the other way around. If so many people pray to a higher power and consult Him on a daily basis, then there will be an afterlife.
THERE ARE NO ATHEISTS IN HELL...
just a thought ~ me | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 12:19:21 PM | | Ash, I don't think you have to worry too much about a guy who believes in God and celebrates holidays, but doesn't attend church regularly. He sounds pretty laid back, and as long as he's ok with your beliefs (or lack thereof) don't write him off just yet! | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 12:32:07 PM | Ned Flanders said it all: "I'm a Christian, so I expect the worst!"
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Posted: 8/4/2008 12:38:18 PM | The problem with your ex wasn't that he was religious, it was that he was controlling and manipulative. Some religious people need to be with someone who shares their faith and usually make that clear from in front. Other religious, or non-religious, people are quite happy to be with someone who does not share their faith or lack of it. The problem with your ex was that he didn't make this clear from in front and then sprung it on you after you were wed. Look for signs of controlling or manipulative behavior in the new guy and let him know where you stand early on. Look for signs of compatibility and incompatibility in your values. Does his religion insist that women be subservient to their men or does it treat them as their own self-determined human beings? What are *his* attitudes about this?
Yes, you can get past it but what it will take is for you to have confidence in your ability to judge a man's character. Think hard and look back honestly: were there signs, even subtle, that before this happened your ex tended to be a bit controlling or have an attitude that women should be subservient that you may have ignored? More often than not, there were warning signs that we overlook and ignore, either because they were subtle, we were naive and inexperienced, or we were so crazy about them that we ignored them. With time, after a few bad experiences, we can start to learn to recognize these hints of unhealthy behavior and prevent recurring involvements with those people.
There's never any guarantee you won't find yourself in another unsatisfying relationship even if you are cautious, but if you use this as an opportunity to refine how you perceive people, you will come out ahead in the end and feel more confident. Religion isn't the only way a person can be controlling. It can come out in other ways. You don't want to pass up a good man for the wrong reasons or hook up with another controlling guy that you didn't recognize because he didn't display it in religious terms.
Good luck. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 12:40:07 PM | I can understand your hesitancy and I am sorry that you endured such a narrow minded and oppressive marriage relationship.
Religion does not necessarily equate with Christian, however if your x hubby identified himself as "Christian " I regret that he and his denomination left such a bad taste in your mouth. This is not how Christ would have you to come to know him... but that's another topic.
Please do not judge another man's commitment to Christ, religion or walk in life by the foolishness of another man's ignorance.
Talk with this gentleman friend, share your reservations and if he'd a genuine, sincere and loving man he will understand and gently calm your apprehensions. This could be an opportunity to test his character. Good luck. <img src=http://www.plentyoffish.com/smiles/icon_201.gif border=0> | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 4:37:13 PM |
Einstein believed so much in the power of the mind, that he believed in God. He believed that man created God, not the other way around. If so many people pray to a higher power and consult Him on a daily basis, then there will be an afterlife.
How would you know what Einstein believed??? Einstein was obviously a highly intelligent thinker who liked to make his ideas public (for whatever reasons he had). He lived in a world where almost everyone was religious, and he could have even been HUNG for speaking out against the church. Even if he wasn’t hung, he had almost no hope what so ever of having his ideas become accepted by the community if they contradicted the church. So yes Einstein made lots of comments that tried to blend science and religion together, and he said lots of things that might imply that he was religious, but how do you know what his motives where???
We understand much more about the world than we did back in Einstein’s day. Yes we he was an intelligent guy but it doesn’t make every single one of his ideas correct. Even still though, personally, I doubt be believed that there was a god, I doubt that he believed that a human being rose from the dead, I doubt be believed in mythical forces that can make any human body rise from the dead, I doubt he believed that anyone walked on water, and I DEFFINETLY doubt that he believed the world was created in seven days. Well I reckon He was really far to intelligent for tall that, don’t you think?
I also believe that man created god, in the same way that 3 year olds create their imaginary friends. Sure I can say that now, but if Einstein said it in his day I think he’d have been rejected from society. He was pushing it to even say what he DID say, don’t you think? | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 5:33:53 PM | | ahron9985 : Um... some of the stuff in The Bible is just a metaphor. That's fine if you don't believe in God, but don't insult MY intelligence by saying only dumb people do. We needed Einstein to blow up the Japs, no one was going to hang him for a damn thing. Just a little advice: remove the corncob from your butt before it gets permanently attached. Maybe someday God will let you know He's here, until then, I will keep you in my prayers... | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 5:41:57 PM |
remove the corncob from your butt before it gets permanently attached. Maybe someday God will let you know He's here, until then, I will keep you in my prayers...
Ohhh yeah that does feel better. I wonder who put that there! Thank you for praying for me, but I tell you what, if you want to pray individually for everyone who feels the way I feel about religion, you are going to have to pray all day and all night and not take toilet or food stops.
As an aside, have you heard the song "imagine all the people" by "John Lennon"?? I suspect you have. I LOVE it, it gets me off!
Now, I guess you want to know what to pray for right?? Well my life is pretty good and I’m already pretty happy, so I don’t have too many ideas for you, but I wouldn’t mind a new canon 40D SLR camera. Do you think could pray that I get one? Thanx!!
Cheers, Ahron :) | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 5:55:16 PM | I would have a difficult time with this issue.
I consider myself a spiritual person but,I don't subrscribe to a faith that is ready made.
I've checked out other religions out of curiosity,and they all had one thing in common.
They were trying so hard to instill guilt and fear.(Doomsday!)
So I have my own cosmic ideas that I live by,some people need to lighten up!
Maybe I need to lighten up? | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 6:21:00 PM | I still pray the same prayer I've been praying since I was a little girl: Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray The Lord my soul to keep. And if I die before I wake, I pray The Lord my soul to take. There are four corners on my bed, There are four angles at my head. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; Bless this bed that I lie on. In Jesus' name, Amen. Then I add a little something like this: Dear God, take care of ... ( a bunch of specific names)... and everyone who doesn't know You or needs You with them now.
Terrible, terrible thing Christianity. Love thy neighbor, do unto others as you wish others to do unto you, don't steal, lie and cheat... I don't know why non-Christians get so mad at Christians. At least we are trying (not always perfect, duh) to uphold some sort of social order. Good luck with your camera, maybe you should ask Santa, you seem like such a child. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 6:32:58 PM | still pray the sazme prayer I've been praying since I was a little girl: Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray The Lord my soul to keep. And if I die before I wake, I pray The Lord my soul to take. There are four corners on my bed, There are four angles at my head. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; Bless this bged that I lie on. In Jesus' name, Amen. Then I add a little something like this: Dear God, take care of ... ( a bunch of specific names)... and everyone who doesn't know You or needs You with them now.
Personally, I equate praying with “talking to an imaginary friend”. None the less, that is actually quite a cute little prayer. I hope you do mention my name it, it will make feel good about myself ha ha.
Terrible, terrible thing Christianity. Love thy neighbor, do unto others as you wish others to do unto you, don't steal, lie and cheat... I don't know why non-Christians get so mad at Christians. At least we are trying (not always perfect, duh) to uphold some sort of social order.
Yes, Christianity is a terrible terrible thing. It, along with other religions, is definitely one of the major cause of war and hatred. No it’s not terrible for the reasons you listed, it’s terrible for other reasons. Furthermore, those “values” can exist outside Christianity. In fact they exist BETTER outside religion. Think about it, if I uphold those values it is because I want to, and it actually makes me a good person. If you uphold those values it is (or could be at least) because you think there is a god watching over you to make sure that you do – therefore it doesn’t necessarily make you a good person. Sure, you might do something good, but your motives could be entirely selfish.
I’m not saying you’re a bad person either. I am very against religion, but I’m not very against every religious person, obviously. But I AM very against the concept that being “religious” makes you a good person. IT MOST DEFFINETLY DOESN’T. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 6:47:01 PM | It probably won't let me post again. But, we act good and do good because we genuinely care about other people, at least I do. God doesn't like a lot of stuff I do. I think you have totally screwed up hypocrites confused with good, Christian people. No, accepting Jesus as your savior does not necessarily make you a good person, not instantly anyways. But, I believe that eventually it will all take hold and I will be a better person for it. I am sorry you have had a bad experience with some religions, but please don't discard my genuine concern for the well-being of others. I will not judge you based on your beliefs. Anytime you want to argue over something trivial that's been argued since the dawn of time, let me know  | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 6:53:54 PM | ha ha, funny.
I haven’t had a bad experience with religion, I just watch the news. Sure it does some good things but I don't see why those good things couldn't happen even if the religion didn't exist. To me, religion is nothing but bad - not because I have had a bad experience with it.
It might not let me post again either. I interpreted your last message as a friendly message. This is also a friendly message; i hope you chose to see it that way. We just disagree, and like you said, no one is going to win this debate because it has been going on since the dawn of time :)
P.S My best friend is very very religious. We accept each other, and the fact that we are able to accept each other despite having such different views makes us feel even closer. She’s very special, I’ve never met anyone like her.
Cheers,
Ahron :) | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 7:11:33 PM | You do like actually know when Einstein lived (hint it was not during the Spanish Inquisition, the Protestant Reformation or during the Witch Hunt eras) and that he was born Jewish so effectively, if he were to be hung for dissenting views it would likely have been by the temple. Also curious why you would think any highly intellectual thinker would not wish to make his theories and views public.
There are many, many brilliant scientists that do not believe that what they know about the physical world is mutually exclusive with the existence of a Supreme Being no matter what name they might give him. People do bad things and use religion to justify their bad behavior erego, religion is not bad at all until it is misused by others.
Interesting that you say you respect your best friend and yet feel it necessary to continue to belittle other people's beliefs. Btw, Einstein died in 1955. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 7:29:56 PM | NO, just send me $20 for a holy blessed prayer rug (the finest copy paper money can buy)and everything will be fine.
Just exactly why I am not religious.
It has screwed up so many people. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 7:46:17 PM | I've known non-religious men to suddenly become fanatic. I think the best way to avoid a fanatic, future or current, is to find a man who thinks for himself and makes his own decisions. Is he self-accountable? Is his "religion" a spoon fed doctrine, or is it one with many variable interpretations by the thinking man?
I mean, why not just avoid men all together? Ever met a sports fanatic? A hunting *enthusiast* who never ever NOT hunts? A karaoke fiend? Fanaticsm is addiciton, pure and simple. Look at web sites helping you spot people with hidden addictions or addictive personalities, that should help you spot the red flags you want to see. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 8:47:25 PM | OP, your ex-husband is a fanatic. Not every religious person is a fanatic. Unless you start seeing similiar behaviours between the man you're seeing now and your ex, I don't see why this should be a problem.
Best Wishes,
H.A. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2008 6:09:21 AM | | I agree with the last post. Going to church every now and then is not a "crazy" thing like your ex husband. I'm assuming he was Catholic, because you mentioned a Bishop... I think their religion is very weird, what I know about it anyhow. Also, like the other lady said, just watch for addictive personality. I happen to have one. Scary stuff, not easily accepted by most, but I'm a lot of fun in between... | |
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Posted: 8/5/2008 6:56:27 AM |
You do like actually know when Einstein lived
Not really.
he was born Jewish
I didn’t know that either.
Also curious why you would think any highly intellectual thinker would not wish to make his theories and views public.
That’s not what I said!!! I said he DID want to make his views public, and he wanted them to be accepted. I said that was possibly the REASON that he had to blur the line between science and religion. If his scientific views were seen as contradicting the church, they would have been rejected by society.
There are many, many brilliant scientists that do not believe that what they know about the physical world is mutually exclusive with the existence of a Supreme Being
No, but jesus walking on water and the laws of physics are pretty much mutually exclusive. I think jesus rising from the dead might be mutually exclusive with a few biology concepts too. Of course the idea of a “supreme being existing” is not mutually exclusive with anything, that’s why no one can prove it wrong!!! But this “supreme being theory” is no more valid than any other theory which can’t be proven wrong. I can make up an equally valid theory right now if you want!!
People do bad things and use religion to justify their bad behavior erego, religion is not bad at all until it is misused by others.
Some people use party-drugs and I have a great time. Drugs are not bad unless you over use them. Same with guns. Guns are not bad unless people miss-use them. And yet, both of these things are illegal in my country. Why?? Because society doesn’t need them, and having them in society does more harm than good. Religion is no different, and perhaps should be illegal for the same reason.
Interesting that you say you respect your best friend and yet feel it necessary to continue to belittle other people's beliefs.
Yeah, it’s interesting. That’s why I said she’s an amazing person and I’ve never met anyone like her. She’s not like other religious people. Every other religious person I’ve ever met is a try-hard goody-goody who is incapable of thinking for themselves and has the intelligence of a glass of water. Every other religious persons sole purpose in life is be “good” in the eyes of god. Not because they are good people who care about other people, but because they are scared of going to hell. My friend is different. Of course all Christians SAY they are different, but the friend I’m talking about actually is.
Btw, Einstein died in 1955.
So??
Seriously, with my history knowledge, that means nothing to me. Were cars invented then?? Had dinosaurs died yet?
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Posted: 8/5/2008 11:01:51 AM | So??
Seriously, with my history knowledge, that means nothing to me. Were cars invented then?? Had dinosaurs died yet?
Not to dissolve our freindly relationship, but I think the previous post was trying to say that you should do a little bit more research on the subject before you criticize. You do know how to use google right? See, it's guys like you that I would never date. They are so certain that nothing is out there, that they refuse to hear it any other way. You need to close your mouth and open your heart up to the possibility that there is something there... Don't be afraid to be wrong, it's okay. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 6:53:40 PM | Oh ~ Einstein believed alright ~ and was not pushed into it. ~
But I offer you no proof ~ cause I don't really care to do your work. It's there for you to find and claim it for your own.
To say man created God ~ is correct as well ~ The power to manifest is a gift from the devine, ~ To understand that you "are" the image of God and God" is" the image of you ~ might be hard to get your mind around for sure ~ These things have been told to us ~ but saddly the understanding get lost ~ It's like a good bill going through congress ~ by the time everyones added all the pork ~ the true intent of the bill gets lost.
you have the ability to create ~ what you create is limited by your understanding of free will and nature of man and limited only by your perception. ~
But ~ please don't take my word for it ~ go in the kitchen and create yourself and nice sandwich. ~ watch a little TV ~ all this will fade again.
OP ~ your dude was a control freak ~ that was up to his ears in somekind of BS ~ zelots, people that that had a little knowledge and went mad with control for everyone's own good. ~ and little knowledge and a lot of vanity is dangerious.
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Posted: 8/6/2008 7:28:10 PM |
See, it's guys like you that I would never date. They are so certain that nothing is out there, that they refuse to hear it any other way.
If you’re talking about religious views, I’ve heard it EVERY other way, and I’ve decided that it’s all bullshit which makes no sense.
See, it's guys like you that I would never date. They are so certain that nothing is out there, that they refuse to hear it any other way.
Everything in that statement is true. It will never cause me a problem however, because I would never date you either, for two reasons. Firstly, we just wouldn’t be compatible; secondly, I’m not single and haven’t been for any more than one week within the last 8 years. Its one thing to “open you’re heart” and “not be afraid of being wrong”, but it’s another thing entirely to make your belief so unrealistic and unjustified that that it seems like you are TRYING to be wrong.
There is no evidence to suggest that a god exists. It’s therefore just silly to assume that one probably does, based on nothing. Its low intelligent and gullible, there is nothing open minded about it. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 8:02:02 PM | Good times.
Maybe avoid other people from the same religion. Must be nice having your very own slave. But not so much being someone elses slave.
Live and learn.
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