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Posted: 8/13/2008 1:08:14 PM | I need to respond to three posters here:
1. Obsidian 71, I agree with you 1,000,000% about African-American "leaders"
ignoring the crisis. The late Dr. Betty Shabazz, wife of Malcolm X was a public
health nurse. If she were alive today, I have NO DOUBT that she would be
taking the leaders "to task."
2. Ismene 1, thank you for listening, and understanding. I work in government, so
I know that another "Tuskeegee Experiment" COULD happen....that's all I'll say
about that. As far as going to an African-American physician for treatment....
well, the number of African-American physicians in this country is DECREASING....
so it's very difficult, depending upon where you live. I live in the capital city of
a major state, and we have less than 20 African-American physicians practicing
within a 50 mile radius.......
3. luvtwosnuggle, you really have no insight about how AIDS affects "beautiful black
women as people....who in no way are victims, very responsible for their choices...
and don't feel endangered or a higher risk for AIDS", to quote you. ANYONE
can make a "responsible choice" and have an "unfavorable outcome." And make
no mistake, "beautiful black women" become "victims" of a disease they didn't
ask for every day that God sends.....and it is NOT because they were irresponsible! | |
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Posted: 8/13/2008 1:11:14 PM |
As far as going to an African-American physician for treatment....
well, the number of African-American physicians in this country is DECREASING.....
Do you know why? I would have thought it would be just the opposite. | |
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Posted: 8/13/2008 2:43:33 PM | Yes.. black women AND children are an endangered species. If not from AIDS, then from gunfire or street violence... burning black women alive on the street... more murders even than the Klan ever did or any other racists or lynchings or cops or anything else.
The toughest part is that they're mostly endangered by predators they don't know how to defend themselves against and half the time won't even admit to themselves the truth about who the predators are: a criminal element of black males...
Why the black community feels sorry for black criminals and believes all the excuses and victim stories, tolerates them doing nothing to help themselves and thinks being "bad" is cool and thinks it's unfair to call the cops is beyond me. They're tolerating their own murders and murderers in a way.
Go figure... | |
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Posted: 8/13/2008 2:48:51 PM |
Yes.. black women AND children are an endangered species. If not from AIDS, then from gunfire or street violence... burning black women alive on the street... more murders even than the Klan ever did or any other racists or lynchings or cops or anything else.
The toughest part is that they're mostly endangered by predators they don't know how to defend themselves against and half the time won't even admit to themselves the truth about who the predators are: a criminal element of black males...
Why the black community feels sorry for black criminals and believes all the excuses and victim stories, tolerates them doing nothing to help themselves and thinks being "bad" is cool and thinks it's unfair to call the cops is beyond me. They're tolerating their own murders and murderers in a way.
It's a very complex issue which you probably don't really want to think about enough or learn enough about to really understand; it's much easier just to ....well, to do what you just did. Sad git.  | |
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Posted: 8/13/2008 2:56:18 PM |
It's a very complex issue which you probably don't really want to think about enough or learn enough about to really understand; it's much easier just to ....well, to do what you just did. Sad git.
If you really think that, then why don't you explain yourself?
Why is it that so many black people kill each other?
I've heard so many reasons for it and I've tried to understand, but when something doesn't make sense, it's not understandable.
I've lived around black people, work with them, been best friends, on sports teams, drinking buddies... and it doesn't make sense. Black people tell me the same thing. Alot of them come running out of cities for their lives... saying they can't live in the black community. | |
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Posted: 8/13/2008 3:26:04 PM | If you really think that, then why don't you explain yourself?
Why is it that so many black people kill each other?
I've heard so many reasons for it and I've tried to understand, but when something doesn't make sense, it's not understandable.
I've lived around black people, work with them, been best friends, on sports teams, drinking buddies... and it doesn't make sense. Black people tell me the same thing. Alot of them come running out of cities for their lives... saying they can't live in the black community.
I would love to explain it to you. I am, however, not an expert not fully knowledgeable to explain in detail. One thing you could do, if you were really interested in undertanding is do some research. The internet is a wonderful thing, when used by someone with a good brain. You have to be aware of the difference between sites which have subjective agendas and viable sites that objectively offer and discuss the results of scientific data and research.
In a very small nutshell, we do not see anything that goes on in the 'urban jungle' that has not always gone on in communities that are essentially drive by poverty and poor education--crime, violence, abuse, etc. It, for example, happens in other countries as well, generation after generation: Rio Dejanero is a good example of the same phenomenon. Why has it and does it continue generation after generation in the black community? Is it because black people are incapable of behavior, growing, evolving, emerging out of this environment on their own? Duh...no...Nothing in any, any reliable scientific research points to any difference between races in cognitive ability. It boils down to only one logical conclusion, which is racism. At this point, I think one reason violence has seemed to increase in poor urban communities, and it isn't only black communities, is the pervasiveness of drugs. But, in any case, as I said, it's a complex situation. I am not an expert. And it's 12:24 a.m. here...bit difficult for me to have the intellectual engergy to pursue this much more at this time. Seriously, if you are sincerely interested, do some research on your. Don't expect the man on the street, not even the black man on the street, to give you simple yet all inclusive answers. | |
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Posted: 8/13/2008 3:57:38 PM | Ace of Space..you are the most thinking man on this post. Lliberals are blamed for everything that is far out and against the holier than thou phony right wing principles. I can not believe how the right really thinks...in the church I attend, the Espicopal Father started his sermon with "God is not Democrat or Republican"..I thought we were on a good roll..as this guy has much land and horses, etc...smells of republican and jokes about welfare checks "right wing men, christian men yet they dont believe in helping the poor or helping anyone for that fact" What would Jesus think?...a bunch of fakes.......then he proceeded to say "but when I think of democrats, I think of beach , beer and barceques and when I think of Republicans, I think the of men who founded and made this country....I was appalled....I wrote him and church and expressed my concern for him imposing his beliefs on the church and if he or any one can tell me and show me proof that Hell is full of liberals and Heaven is full of the right wing...then you might get my attention but only by a little....as we can see from the White House, any thing can be hidden, destroyed, disclosed or fabricated to prove a point...but I dont believe the right has a pipeline to God! and lets dig real deep...you must think that some one of those republicans , wives or daughters has aborted or been drunk, had affairs, left their wives on the death bed, married before divorced from 1st wife...cheated and date in public, ....now dont you????
p.s. I guess this wasn't about black women, huh.... | |
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Posted: 8/17/2008 3:39:41 PM | StrangerInTheHouse, I'm African-American, and I have never killed anyone, nor has anyone in my immediate family, and all of "us" do not "tolerate" black crime and criminals......
Shame on you for making such a blanket statement! | |
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Posted: 8/17/2008 3:44:34 PM | Ismene 1, the reason that there are "fewer" African-American physicians has a lot to do with the high cost of medical school, lack of preparation in high schools (if you want to be a physician, and your school is lackluster and you are not learning the things you should, you're going to go to college and be at a disadvantage, or you won't be able to go to a "good" school, and not everyone can afford a private education.
And, there is the issue of "delayed gratification." Why spend all the time and money in medical school when you (male) might make more $ more quickly as (yuck!) a rapper, or (yuck), a professional athlete?
Sad but true, and I don't have the answer to that. And I do what I can to uplift my people, and pray about the rest. | |
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Posted: 8/17/2008 4:05:07 PM |
StrangerInTheHouse, I'm African-American, and I have never killed anyone, nor has anyone in my immediate family, and all of "us" do not "tolerate" black crime and criminals......
Sociology is such a fascinating subject yet because your typical sociologist is chronically overworked and underpaid you don't see anywhere near the level of discussion and work put behind the fields.
Sociology mastered the basics of human behavior a long long long time ago. Creating the conditions you see today is like creating a cake. You simply supply the needed ingredients in the proper amounts and voila you have the same conditions.
For instance. How to create an insant ghetto
1. Identify target population. This population must be controlled via force or discrimination and negative education. Make them hate themselves (promote negative images) .
2. Keep them densely populated and thwart any attempts for them to create a sustainable economic system.
3. Supply mind altering ingredients. Alcohol is a great source but narcotics are preferred as they are far more addictive.
4. Supply the tools for destruction...firearms.
All of these and more coalesce into a powerkeg environment where violence, self hatred and despotism are the norm. Black women have been caught up in this hailstorm. The cases of HIV are directly corelated to areas of high drug use. Clean needles are having little effect. Is a drug addict really going to care about a cleanliness of a needle when the urge for that next high is raging?
Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that this is an isolated black issue as well. Let's take Ireland for instance. It's fairly homogeneous racially yet decidely working class. They have been embroiled in Catholic vs Protestant violence at staggering levels for decades
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/christian/blfaq_viol_northernireland.htm
Violence was perhaps worst during the 1970's when hundreds of terrorist acts were recorded year after year. Eventually, things settled down to the intensity of a small scale war. As James A. Haught has reported:
...in 1985, a relatively quiet year, authorities recorded fifty-four assassinations, 148 bombings, 237 shootings, 916 woundings, 522 arrests on terrorism charges, 31 kneecappings (shooting out a person's kneecaps) and 3.3 tons of explosives and weapons seized. All this in a tiny country with a population of 1.5 million people.
Staggering isn't it? Education, Economics, Esteem and Opportunity are vital to preventing illegal drug use and violence. You don't have these...I don't care what race you are a member of you will see ugly things.
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Posted: 8/18/2008 12:52:53 AM | For instance. How to create an insant ghetto
1. Identify target population. This population must be controlled via force or discrimination and negative education. Make them hate themselves (promote negative images) .
2. Keep them densely populated and thwart any attempts for them to create a sustainable economic system.
3. Supply mind altering ingredients. Alcohol is a great source but narcotics are preferred as they are far more addictive.
4. Supply the tools for destruction...firearms.
Interesting, sadly, darkly humorous...but very exact: all the necessary ingredients. Works perfectly.
Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that this is an isolated black issue as well.
An important point to keep in mind. In America, it isn't only a problem for the black community also for the Hispanic community. And ghettos exist all over the world.
Ghetto: a section of a city, esp. a thickly populated slum area, inhabited predominantly by members of an ethnic or other minority group, often as a result of social or economic restrictions, pressures, or hardships. Origin: 1605–15; < It, orig. the name of an island near Venice where Jews were forced to reside in the 16th century. (Dictionary.com)
Here in 'beautiful Vienna, ' Turkish immigrants live in a ghetto, though it is not as bad as, say, the ghettoes of Rio de Janerio. But it is an area that has lower economic elements and hardships, is isolated from the other population, and has some social problems. The racism here is against the Turks. In France, in the large cities, there are ghettos for the Middle Eastern immigrants and the North African immigrants. All over the world this issue exists, not just in America. Your formula for how a ghetto is created is pretty much right on, the main ingredient being, imo, a target population controlled by discrimination.
I think the media really misleads the public about what is going on in the world. Maybe because most people get their information from television news, which seems to be, anymore, primarily about entertainment rather than giving the full picture. People need to read more often and read more widely. The picture that it seems a lot, if not the majority, of white Americans have of the black community is fostered by news reports of gangs and violence. Whereas, the majority of black Americans live in the working or middle class, just like the rest of America. It is similar to what I find Americans believing about Islam and Muslim countries: people don't realize they only see one small fraction of the behavior of Muslim people, and those people are extremists. There are billions of Muslims in the world. 99.9 percent of them do not hate the West and are not trying to kill Westerners. They live in peace and practice their religion in a prudent and peaceful way. The media really skews our perception of reality; this is something more people need to be aware of. | |
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Posted: 8/18/2008 5:28:57 PM | Black women are effectively being breeded out of the entire race.
The Black man's lust for White women has relegated Black women to the status of standby equipment to be used and treated like hoes when there is no White coochie around.
This is what accounts for Black women having the highest rates of Herpes and other STD's the complete lack of respect shown to Black women by Black men.
The Black man is actively relegating Black women to the role of ho or sperm towel and doing everything to stop more Black women from gaining a foothold in the business world politics and other spheres of society.
The Black man views the Black woman as a ho that is there to be used for mass breeding and as a servant and worshipper of him in between his relationships with White sluts.
Black women face far more hardship and sexism from Black men to a rate almost on par with the shrouded and veiled women in muslim countries. And the rates of STD's in some Black communities rival those of several 3rd world nations overseas.
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| Are black women an endangered species?
Posted: 8/19/2008 10:31:47 AM | 519Numbers
What the hell you talking about ? I love my black sisters. From my experience white men treat their women like S***T. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2008 10:56:38 AM | WOW! Thats deep.
As harsh and racist as it is put, it's not totally off the mark.
I've been a black woman my whole life and I have noticed a huge change in the way black men treat me, and relate to me.
I have also noticed that when it comes to condoms it has always been black men that give me the most greif about condoms. There is usually a big fight followed by me closing up shop, and him leaving--because I don't play that.
There is a direct correlation b/t the crack epidemic, the prison industrial complex, men on the Down Low and black women having HIV at alarming rates. That's cute the lady who said 'men from jail admitted they got HIV from sharing needles.' I guess it doesn't matter HOW you got it once you have it. But wake up lady, they had sex with other men in jail. The drugs is just a convienient cover for their gay tendencies. They do not pass out free condoms in jails and prisions, and many don't even have them for sale in their commisaries. Tell me this isn't a conspiracy. Prison is the modern concintration camp for black men, instead of a firing squad or a gas chamber--sex without condoms.
Men come out of jail and still want sex with other men, Down Low is created. Yeah black women live in a bubble of denyal sometimes. The denyal is killing us. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2008 2:32:53 PM | It's a shame for Black women because most of whom I met seem to want to talk about planning the future, getting an education, spirituality, getting ahead financially and it seems all of their efforts and hard work are brought down and undermined by certain infected and "Ghettoized" Black men who view Black women as little more than an ejaculatory dumping ground and used for mass breeding to produce more
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Posted: 8/24/2008 1:24:48 AM | :modhammer:
Lyfenlyn,
I like to read your perspective on something:
Black Women are being blamed by some for the high incarceration rate of black men. Black Men comprise approximately 65% of the prison population in USA. A lot of them are for wrongful convictions. A lot of the wrongful convictions are due to trumped charges by black women that they are dating and married to.
I personally brothers who have been arrested just for speaking to a woman, which if a lawyer wanted to take up a case like that, could win a case based on 1st amendment violation, freedom of speech.
One could make the argument that BLACK MEN ARE AN ENDANGERED SPECIES!!!
And to the point of the person you responded to, I forgot his name. He argues that black men are holding black women back. Well here's an interesting fact to ponder. You will see more black women in professional settings than black men by far. Employers are far more likely to hire black women to fill professional positions, than black men. Especially when they have an affirmative action quota to fill. That's not my opinion, that documented statistics.
Back to the legal system, Black women are not treated anything like black men are in court, in fact black women are actually given the same advantages as any other women when they are bought on criminal charges, and they're not bought up on criminal charges nearly as frequently as black men. for every 27 black men in prison, on probation, or parol there's maybe one black woman.
Black men have overwhelmingly fallen prey to the prison industrial complex, which is the new form of slavery labor in USA. For example Trans World Airlines (TWA) contracts with a prison in California for its phone bank. THAT'S RIGHT IF YOU CALL THIER 800 # TO ORDER AN AIRPLANE TICKET YOU WILL BE TALKING TO A PRISON INMATE, MORE THAN LIKELY A BLACK MAN!!!
These Prison inmates working for these corporations get an average of $2.00 per hour, which they get to keep 10% of, the state keeps the rest.
So my question to these black women, and anyone else denigrating black men how would you like working for $0.20 per hour for a corporation from inside a prison, especially knowing that the $0.20 per you're getting is only 10% of our actual pay because the state is keeping 90%, and THEY CAN DO IT LEGALLY?! | |
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Posted: 8/24/2008 3:56:20 PM |
StrangerInTheHouse, I'm African-American, and I have never killed anyone, nor has anyone in my immediate family, and all of "us" do not "tolerate" black crime and criminals......
I didn't say you killed anyone. I didn't say anyone in your immediate family killed anyone, I didn't say you tolerate black crime. I did say that there is a criminal element within the black community that does so, however...
That is, without a doubt, the biggest threat to any black person's survival these days.
Black criminals have murdered more black people than any slaveowners, klansmen, racist white cops or lynching parties ever did.
It's also true that black criminals could not flourish as they do in black communities without people being quiet about it and not telling the police. | |
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Posted: 8/24/2008 4:27:59 PM | Stranger in the house,
How would you respond to a black per who is afraid to talk to the police when they see murder occurring right in front of them?
Some people in the black community charge that black neighborhoods don't get the same level of priority as white neighborhoods. What's your take on that?
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Posted: 8/24/2008 7:26:18 PM |
Stranger in the house,
How would you respond to a black per who is afraid to talk to the police when they see murder occurring right in front of them?
I would tell the person to contact the police privately. That can be done.
Some people in the black community charge that black neighborhoods don't get the same level of priority as white neighborhoods. What's your take on that?
My take on that is most police are afraid to enter some black neighborhoods that are high crime neighborhoods and there's a higher risk going in. If people in those neighborhoods cooperated more with police, this would not be the case.
In Oakland California, police have been lured into ambushes that have occurred in black neighborhoods and nobody knew anything about who the shooters were.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/20/BAUK12EPEJ.DTL
"...In an unusual tactic, dozens of officers mobilized before venturing onto the 5900 block of Bromley Avenue near Seminary Avenue to search for the person who shot and wounded the female motorist around midnight. When they went in, officers could not find a suspect.
The woman was shot in the leg on Bromley while driving her Toyota, police said. The victim, whose name was not released, continued on to 58th Avenue and International Boulevard and flagged down officers.
Police opted not to respond to the scene immediately, fearing a reprise of an attack on officers Aug. 1 in which someone fired shots at police on the same street.
That incident started when police spotted a stolen car about 1 a.m. on the 1300 block of 65th Avenue in the Lockwood Gardens public housing complex. The driver refused to stop and led officers on a chase, said Officer Jeff Thomason, a Police Department spokesman.
Police believe the driver called someone on his cell phone, and that the person on the other end directed him to drive to the 5900 block of Bromley. As the stolen car drove down the block at 25 mph, someone fired numerous shots at the officers trying to get the driver to pull over, police said.
Rounds were found from an AK-47 and an AR-15, both semiautomatic rifles, but police could not locate the gunman.
The driver of the car was later arrested near the Eastmont police substation on 73rd Avenue. Police have refused to release his name.
Residents of Bromley Avenue showed little sympathy for police Wednesday. Animosity for law enforcement was evident...".
I've also seen people get arrested for reasons that were perfectly legitimate and a crowd of 50 black people surrounds the outnumbered police and started throwing things.
That may be one of the reasons police are abit slower to respond.
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Posted: 8/25/2008 1:01:53 PM | UK Independent broadsheet analysis today 25.08.08. I am not condoning some young mens attitudes to responsibility but if living conditions indicate incarceration or curtailed life or tricky life chances at each step for many, then this may have some relevance.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/funding-cuts-leave-black-youths-to-die-908105.html
"Funding cuts 'leave black youths to die'
An independent adviser to the Home Office accused politicians today of "leaving black youths to die" by cutting funding to community groups.
Dr Derrick Campbell said funds earmarked for community cohesion were not going to the right organisations.
His comments come as police appealed for calm in Birmingham after three gang-related incidents - including two deaths - in the West Midlands in 24 hours.
Dr Campbell told the BBC: "We have clear evidence of organisations which used to be funded and have delivered on outcomes but have suddenly not been supported.
"And we have to ask the question whether there seems to be an acceptance that if another black youth is killed they are just another one that we don't have to worry about.
"Black youths within this country have been left to die. And that's a very strong statement but it's a statement that seems to be borne out through evidence about black youths who seem to be at the top of the list when it comes to our youngsters being killed.
"Now we're asking very serious questions of national government and local government as to why it seems that resources that have been allocated for community cohesion and other activities have not been going to those organisations."
Dr Campbell is chairman of the National Independent Advisory Group on Criminal Use of Firearms, which advises the Home Office and the security services.
He said there was hard evidence from community groups in the Birmingham area that their funding was being cut - a situation which he said was reflected nationally.
The three incidents in the West Midlands all involving black youths included the shooting dead of Dimitri Foskin, 24, in the Newtown area of Birmingham on Saturday night.
A Home Office spokesman told the BBC: "The government is committed to tackling gun, gang and knife crime and getting weapons off our streets.
"In July we launched the £100m Youth Crime Action Plan which sets out a comprehensive package of tough enforcement and intensive prevention measures as well as more support for parents to tackle offending and reduce reoffending
Dr Campbell said the murder of 11-year-old Rhys Jones a year ago demonstrated that crimes against white youths received more attention from the Government and media.
"As a result (of the shooting) the Home Office was jumping up and down last August," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
"The question was asked at the time of the Home Secretary why it was we didn't see the same frenetic activity from the Government and the media when the black youths were murdered and yet when the white youngster was killed everybody stood to attention."
But Home Office minister Tony McNulty rejected the suggestion that murders of black youths received less Government or media attention.
"Frankly what Derrick says is an insult to black groups and other community groups up and down the country who are being funded by local and central government, and work in this area on a daily and regular basis," Mr McNulty said.
"I do need to knock down the notion that somehow there is a national conspiracy of at best indifference, and at worst active policy that says somehow the death of young black men on our streets doesn't matter.
"It matters profoundly, and it matters in every single instance whether the individual is black or white." | |
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Posted: 8/29/2008 7:15:10 AM | Stranger In The House, have you ever heard of "stop snitching"?
In Philadelphia, the largest city in Pennsylvania, and the sixth largest city in the United States, African-American people are being slaughtered for cooperating with the police.....and one of the most popular tee shirts to wear says, "stop snitching."
So all that "talk to the police privately" stuff you're talking is just a bunch of "stuff..." | |
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Posted: 8/29/2008 9:52:40 AM |
But Home Office minister Tony McNulty rejected the suggestion that murders of black youths received less Government or media attention.
I read a few months back why killings/violene of black people was not reported in the news the same as white killings/violence. The article said that black people are stereotyped as being more violent so it was not reported as much as a way to reduce this stereotype.
"It matters profoundly, and it matters in every single instance whether the individual is black or white."
I totally agree with you. All murder matters. No one has the right to take anothers life.
In Philadelphia, the largest city in Pennsylvania, and the sixth largest city in the United States, African-American people are being slaughtered for cooperating with the police.....and one of the most popular tee shirts to wear says, "stop snitching."
Ha, my birthplace. I agree with this post. Even here in Nowhere, USA, you can be hurt for snitching. Its a thing, Your damned if you do, and your damned if you dont. | |
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Posted: 8/29/2008 10:23:51 AM | I think that many of us ~ don't want to see this
and if we don't see or accept it or even a part of it ~
it somehow makes it "less" real.
I'm not well versed or up to speed on such matters
and can't not speak with authority~ other then to say
Ingoring such issues does not make them go away.
This is very "real" ~ in as far a being endangered as a species ~ not yet anyway.
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