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Posted: 8/3/2008 2:30:41 PM | "Do they? Under what law? One is not required to have ID in order to walk down the street.'
check the patriot act.
I've been stopped by the cops when I had a mowhawk, when I had "normal hair, now that I'm completely bald....they don't bother me...go figure.
At my work you have to show your Id to step through our doors.
the other thing to think about is, maybe the cop had a problem with someone that looks like your BF.....I had a local cop call me some other guys name twice while he had me pulled over..... | |
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Posted: 8/3/2008 2:41:47 PM | we are merely doing like the others said, just checking, you run we follow, you stay but show signs of guilt we check, we remain nuetral some of us act like jerks but the rest are just doing what the community wants.
To me it woud be an unpleasant feeling when a police officer just decides to pull over and target me becasue they feel need to run me up....I would be cooperative, but I personally would not enjoy it and I would certainly make some type comment to the officer. I wouldn't be insulting or argumentive because I know how to play the game, but I would let it be known. I find nothing wrong doing it because I know I have nothing to hide, even if it upsets the officer.
you hate cops til you need us,
As long as I'm paying taxes, it's your job to be there.... | |
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Posted: 8/3/2008 4:57:39 PM | to sanguis dominuu re post#18It's like I said, they're there to protect banks, large corporations and the government, not people.Ok then when you need one dont call them seeing they will not help you .If i was a cop i would stop each time i seen yoLoose the green then you nothing to worry about u it works.I lived in a small town in nevada 10.000 there was methcookers they in gen looked ruff.The seriff had a simple to solve it stop them all the time.Quess what they all moved on .Only took a few weeks .The crime rate droped fast | |
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Posted: 8/5/2008 4:30:24 AM |
If someone had a warrant for anything serious, why would they wear clothing and dress in a way that would make them stand out?
Some people with warrants aren't particularly intelligent. Go figure. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2008 5:48:48 AM | Ya know....I have a high aversion to police officers. Very high. High enough so that I avoid my brother in law at all cost even tho I KNOW he isn't going to mess with me b/c he's married to my sister. Every time I get stopped, they ask to search my car. All because when they run me through it comes up that I had a felony over 5 years ago. I tell them to go get a warrant if they want to search my car.
But, on the other hand, I can't blame them for doing their job. And OP, that's all they are doing. It sucks, but it's life. It's just like people with tattoo's....if you don't want to be discriminated b/c of them, don't get them (mind you, I have 10). So it is with people that dress in all black, have a mohawk, and multiple peircings. If you don't want to catch the attention of the popo, don't dress like that. And you know....you should really look for the positive here....at least you have cops around that are willing to stop and do mundane things like that in order to make sure your neighborhood is SAFE.
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Posted: 8/5/2008 7:28:59 AM | The number one cause of a policemans death is TRAFFIC STOPS. Either a passing auto hits and kills the officer or the person(s) in the car shoot the officer. I will not mention any names as you should know IF your the person that made the remark.
When I get pulled over and they ask to search my car, I tell them to get a warrant! Boy, that's just asking for trouble. First-Not a problem to get a warrant young lady. You just sit here and wait till my supervisor arrives. 30 minutes later the supervisor arrives and informs you that if you insist on a warrant, one will be obtained, however if you have nothing to hide, whats the problem? So if you persist in a warrant cause you didn't do anything to deserve being pulled over in the first place and you want to prove a point to the police and stick to your guns-they will also stick to their guns. Ok young lady, we'll get that warrant so you just wait here till we get a K-9 unit to come out here. 30 has past while the supervisor was trying to reason with you and now you have to wait another 30 minutes for the K-9. So finally the K-9 shows up and finds no scent of drugs- the police say thank you and good bye. You had nothing to hide but it cost you 1 1/2 hours to make your point.
Then there is the question of " Why do they dress like that if they know their wanted" Would you run out and buy a complete new wardrobe or keep wearing what you already have? Most wanted people don't have the money to just run out and buy new clothes, for one thing. Not that it matters- clothes aren't the only identifier used. The way you carry your body (your walk) hand movements, hgt, wgt, hairstyle, and the way you wear your new clothes.
It makes me made when the cops pull me over but I know how to play the game so I won't fuss. But I will let the officer know I'm not happy about it and ask "WHY" A police officer will generally tell you why you were stopped as soon as you show him your I.D. Perhaps he pulled you over because 5 minutes ago there was a car-jacking and your car matched the one jacked, or you matched the I.D. of a shooter who ran down an alley and people heard a car drive away but didn't see the car. There could be hundreds or reasons, BUT YOU answered the question in YOUR very last statement--"If I pay taxes, he had better be there!!" Make up you mind-you can't have it both ways. You pay for the service, but don't bother me if I might have done something wrong.
I get pull over "Just because I'm young and drive an old car" Then later in your own statement you say you have drugs on you. DAH!! I read your profile and you ARE a very intelligent person. Perhaps the police know you have drugs and will sooner or later catch you. Perhaps your car has been spotted on more than one occasion in a high drug area and your plate number was recorded as a buyer. But with your intelligence, you already know all these facts and it appears that your just looking for something to **** about.
ME- I've been stopped lots of times, and a couple of times the police came right out and told me that me vehicle match the description of a get away vehicle in a armed robbery and they were stopping all cars that even came close to the make and model. Regardless of the color. No big deal, I stopped, they ask, I was gone in 3 minutes. Search my car-Hell yes, I have nothing to hide and perhaps my vehicles description won't go on the LIST of cars to be on the "look out for" I just tell the officer not to take the un-used rubbers and they smile and do a quiky and leave. Another 5 minutes of my life-BIG DEAL
To all of those who **** about the police for one reason or another, and make comments such as "It"s not a FREE country", I guess I fought for THIS country for nothing. I thought I was fighting to give you the right to have FREE speech, FREE religion, FREE movement to travel,- NOT freedom to break the law or take the law into your own hands. HELL- Lets just get rid of all the cops and for that matter, all of the
soldiers too.......GOD BLESS THE USA
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Posted: 8/6/2008 4:33:43 AM | I've had sniffer dogs search me and not find anything. Another baggy of pepper, but with holes in, in the same pocket as the green causes the dog to sneeze instead of smelling the green.
The point is, they're putting all their resources into catching a stoner, who's not harming anyone, instead of being out there and not wasting their time. Assuming they did manage to find it, all they can do is take it off me and give me a street caution. Seems a bit pointless.
Also, over here, if a police officer pulls you over and you request to read the Police and Criminal Evidence act, they have to comply by going to the car, getting it (Or calling in another car to bring it down), giving it to you, and sitting there doing nothing for an hour whilst you read it. If they're going to waste your time, as far as I'm concerened, it's fair play to waste theirs.
They can give the whole "If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about." speech to allow themselves to search you or your car without a warrant, but people have places to be and better things to do than stand around whilst the pigs search for half an hour trying to find something they won't. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 6:19:36 AM | Sorry- My mistake--guess your not as intelligent as I thought. Just another (and I won't lower myself to name calling) PERSON trying to prove they can out smart the police and break the laws of YOUR country. Just remember that WHEN you get caught (and you will) you only have yourself to blame, not the cops. They are doing what their paid to do.
As for me--Have a great day-Peace and God bless the USA | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 6:31:59 AM | On the contrary. I'm not trying to prove I can outsmart the police, but I have to outsmart them if I want to continue being a stoner, if I don't want them to keep on taking mt green. I couldn't care about outsmarting them for the sake of it, I just want to make it as difficult as possible for them to do anything. I'm cautious, not stupid.
It's not particularly hard, either. Apparently Surrey has the best police force in the UK, yet almost all of my mates from whilst I was in college are either dealers or stoners, and the majority of them have never even been caught for possession once. Some of them have been smoking for 10+ years.
God's a lie. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 6:48:27 AM | iamapialso---In the past 3 years alone I've been pulled 11 times and out of those 11 times, 9 times they have requested to search my car. 9 times I have told them to go get a damn warrant. 9 times no warrant has ever been produced. And those 9 times...didn't get a ticket b/c there was nothing to ticket me for. They pulled me b/c when they run my tags it comes back that the owner of the vehicle is a felon. IT'S CALLED HARASSMENT.
I look at it like this....yeah, I screwed up in the past and I served 3 years in prison for it. I was not released on probation or parole. It was never even an option for me. So, I PAID MY DEBT TO SOCIETY. The debt that a JUDGE set forth. And for some**** badge carrying cop to pull me over and ask to search my car...yeah, that's a no go for me. When they get a warrant, they can search it. Same as if they come to my house...they aren't setting a foot inside my door unless they have a warrant to hand me. Do I have anything to hide? Nope. So why do it? Because when my dad gets pulled over, or my mom, or anyone else that doesn't have a prior record....they don't ask to search their cars.
I don't see my refusing to consent to a search as a waste of MY time. It is certainly a waste of theirs b/c no judge is going to sign off on it. And if it means me sitting there for 3 hours...then so be it. I'm not going to back down from what I believe just b/c someone is toting a badge and a gun.
I don't blame cops for doing their JOBS. But it seems to me that a lot of officers (not ALL) have some sort of superiority complex and when they are bored at work they find ways to amuse themselves. Like harassing people. And they get away with it b/c they have that nice shiny little shield. Screw that....you want to protect and serve? Fine...by all means, go ahead. I appreciate the job they do. But when it's nonsense, then they can shove it.
Oh....and good idea about the pepper. Hadn't thought of that one. Dryer sheets and white bread are good ones too. Although the bread isn't very convenient to carry in your pocket. Smoke on bro.
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Posted: 8/6/2008 8:22:52 AM | What does he have to worry about?
Cops are just doing their jobs...put yourself in their shoes for a few minutes...their job is to protect and to serve you...and that means stepping on a few toes every now and then to guarantee your protection. Two things are going to happen, they won't find anything and they'll go about their business, as would your boyfriend, or they get some guy with warrants off the street...seems pretty good to me...
And yes, they have the right to do that.
Why do you think that that gave the idea that this isn't a free country? The police just asked for his ID. Did they hogtie him? Gag him and bag him? Did they take his rights away? No. Did they abuse their rights as police officers? No. Did they go outside the law and input their own law? No. Did they kick the crap out of him? Did they plant crack on him? Did they spray mace in his face for no apparent reason other than having themselves some kicks on a friday night? Because we all know that all cops do that, right? Now, this is just an educated guess, my money says they didn't do anything of the sort.
Now this is just a viewpoint not directed towards you or anyone specific, but it seems that people don't respect Police Officers until they really really need one.
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Posted: 8/6/2008 9:01:48 AM | Yes, popo "profile" all the time. So do we all.
Some of mine:
A middle-aged man in a suit carrying a briefcase is unlikely to snatch my purse. A 10 yr old is unlikely to be peddling drugs at the mall. A guy with a swastika tattooed on his forehead is likely to be a trouble-maker.
The cops just have a more refined set of "profiles" than we do since they are out there arresting the bad guys all day. It's their job to PREVENT crime. It's our job as an informed citizenry to not let the cops have TOO much power. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 10:44:47 AM | You know what welder's girl- perhaps your right about the HARASSMENT!! The reason I might change my mind is: 1) The town you live in only has a population of 23,000 people and I'd guess that about 2000 of that number is to young to drive. Then I'd also guess that there is about 1000 more that are either to old to drive or are disabled and can't drive. That leave 20,000 drivers-give or take a few.
2) Now since a town of only 20,000 drivers not only does not have much money to pay it's employee's plus buy all needed equipment (fire truck,police cars, paying street maintenance, i.e.) then your entire town most likely has no more than 30 cops total. Out of that 30 cops, only about 20 of them are patrol cops.
Now if I'm even close about my guesses, and you've lived there at least 3 years- EVERY COP on the street should know you and your car by now. Bet you they even call you by your first name by now and perhaps they know some of your family members by now also. 20,000 people is not a very big town and lots of your neighbors know each other.
So, yes "IT MUST BE HARASSMENT!!!" | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 11:53:08 AM | LOL iamapialso!!!!! I'm assuming you that you looked up what the population of my town is. It sounds about right I guess. However, I'd say there is more like 50 patrol cars. As far as I know, no cops know my family and if they DO then they would probably be a bit wiser on who they pulled over. I will admit this....once I did have to throw my dad's name out there to get them to back off of me. It's one of those things where if they kept on with their BS, in the end, I'd have more $$$ backing me then the police department would. I don't like having to throw my dad's name around just to get a cop to back off my case....especially when they couldn't even find a reason to give me a citation.
As far as cops knowing ME....only two know me and call me by my first name. Only one has ever pulled me over and it was to let me know that I had a tail light out. Did he ask to search my car? No. He politely pointed out that my light was out, asked how I had been since I moved back to this town (oh...and this STATE is not even where I got in trouble), and wished me a good day. No harm, no foul and I appreciated the heads up about my tail light. Had he asked to search my vehicle...I think he would have been outside of his right to do so. I have a tail light out, why the hell are you going to search my car just b/c a bulb blew?
The 9 times I mentioned.....5 times have been by the SAME officer. Never was I in a 'bad' part of town or doing anything suspicous to even warrant being pulled over. That guys exucse was pretty much 'I pulled you b/c I can'. Yeah, buddy, you can pull me all you like, but you still haven't been able to search my car now have you? Two other cops pretty much sent me on my way when I told them to get a warrant. And the other two called their supervisors out to the scene and the supervisor obviously didn't feel the need for my car to be searched. The most room I've ever given a cop is to pop my hood and my trunk for him and that was only b/c I had already heard they were looking for a car similar to mine that was involved in a kidnapping of an older woman.
Anyways...to each their own. I know my rights. And it is my right to refuse for my car to be searched without a warrant.
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Posted: 8/6/2008 11:58:54 AM | if you have an unconventional appearance you may have an unconventional personality or an unconventional reason for walking the interstate highway. they can stop you for walking if it concerns your safety or the safety of others.
you are required to identify yourself. this was determined by the supremem court about 2 or 3 years ago. it means you have to tell the police your correct name.
you are NOT required to reply to their questions, ie "where are you coming from? have you been drinking?"
the idea of asking questions is so that when you reply they will smell your breath and analyze your head/body movements to determine alcohol and drug use.
i just say i prefer to remain silent. that's my right. you don't have to speak or answer questions UNTIL THEY TELL YOU TO STEP OUT OF THE CAR AND UNDERGO A FIELD SOBRIETY TEST. at that time YOU ARE required to answer questions and perform tests.
i've never been arrested but i have been detained for several minutes due to not speaking. the cops can kiss my ass. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 3:46:12 PM | The police are so maligned. We complain when we never get a personal response to our crime report, only a crime number to pass onto the insurance company. We complain when we feel threatened late at night by hoodlums and there aren't any cops to be seen. Then we complain that all cops do is pull us over for speeding, instead of catching real criminals. The fact is that when a cop pulls someone over for speeding there is a 10% chance of finding something else wrong, from drugs and stolen property to wanted persons, even the occasional kidnap victim.
I have noticed the trick questions that cops ask, trying to see if you let slip one thing when denying a blatantly false accusation. For instance, if you are standing around they accuse you of trying to hide from them once you saw them approach, when in fact you remained in sight all the time. There is the series of jokes about drivers pulled over for one offence trying to deny it and confessing to something else inthe process.
I do as an individual myself resent the lesser trained security guard or cop who stops me or even just eyes me up as a potential suspect. I am honest as the summer day is long. I know I have done no crime and as I am fairly unique, I doubt that anyone answering my description has been committing felonies recently in the area either. So to pull me over is just picking on me.
Maybe some people really do lack the intelligence to realise that if they stop someone then maybe it's the umpteenth time that person has been stopped. It gets annoying after a while. I fully sympathise with young black men who are stopped by far more than other people, even spikey hair goths.
There is another reason why good cops will pull someone over as hinted by an earlier poster. It's if a single person who looks like they could become a victim because they don't fit in the neighbourhood i.e a goth walking through a bad neighbourhood. By checking up on the person the police at least have a record of a last known sighting if they disappear later. And any undesirables watching also know that the police know that person is there.
love and peace
hug someone new today 
regards from 158, defender of the faith, the weak and the ridiculous. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 4:10:28 PM | Welder-- Your wrong about the cop that knew your name and stopped you for the tail light. Didn't you know that had he ask to search your car- he would not have been outside his right to do so. He wanted to find the replacement bulb for you .  
Have a great day, Bill. God bless the USA | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 5:25:24 PM |
Do the police have the right to demand ID from someone who is merely walking down the street? And then to run the name, looking for warrants?
I don't know what the rules are. They can always give "probable cause" by saying he looks like someone they're looking for. You can always ask. I don't know what I'd do. Go down to the police station with a box of donuts and introduce myself to every officer in the station? Invite them to stop and say "Hi" next time they saw me walking down the street? Then they'd know who I was and wouldn't have to ask for my ID any more. Maybe I'd memorize a comedy routine or learn how to juggle so the next time they stop me I'd have something entertaining to do while waiting for them to run a check. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2008 8:04:49 AM | for the DUI roadblocks they use around here in western pennsylvania no probable cause is needed which i believe is a violation of rights. the supreme court disagrees with me (and many others) and so we have them.
i've learned to avoid them not because i've been drinking but because i get detained for long periods for not speaking to the cops after i identify myself. see my above post. you are under no obligation to answer questions. only to comply to field sobriety tests (which may include speaking such as saying the alphabet BACKWARDS.) this is something all americans should memorize. try spelling YOUR OWN NAME BACKWARDS at a reasonable speed. how did you do? not well i'll bet.
once again, they just want to smell your breath for alcohol. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2008 9:11:30 AM | Our state law requires that DUI road blocks have to be published in the newspaper 3 days in advance and announced on TV and Radio the day of. Then it's up to you. You've been informed and believe me-We still catch a lot of drunks. Why, most of them forget where or about them when they drink. Then when they pull up to the road block, they try to bluff their way through. Never works. I know it's an pain in the arse, but on an average road block stop, we catch about 10 drunks that are a real danger to perhaps your loved one that's out there driving along and minding their own business. I would rather the police stop 50 drivers to catch that one, than to have that one kill my daughter or son.
GOD BLESS THE USA-Peace | |
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Posted: 8/8/2008 8:21:20 PM |
Hooked and Happy,
While I agree that the police may have been looking for someone that her boyfriend appears to be, I don't buy it. I am not down with this "just because someone looks like a thug, they are " theory. I have also seen this done with too many ethnic friends as well.
I do not believe that the police have the right to ask someone for ID if they are walking down the street. Many moons ago, when in JR. high, we had a teacher who was a hippie. He informed us that the police could not ask who you were unless you were under arrest. Since I was never in a position that I was asked my name by the police, I was never able to test that theory. The most I have ever been asked by a cop was where I was going.
If we go with the theory that the police have to have probable cause to pull a vehicle over then where is the probable cause to "pull" a pedestrian over?
Cheers,
A
Only problem with denying them your id is you can be legally held for 72 hours with no charges beong filed. Just be cool and give them id and stay calm. | |
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Posted: 8/9/2008 3:32:26 PM | Do they have the right to request ID? Assuredly. Maybe that's not right, but that's the way it is. I'm a clean cut fella, but I've been asked to show ID before, sometimes when I was clearly inebriated. But I remembered what I was taught: Don't **** with the ****ers. Show a little respect, hope you're not carrying your weed right then, and you should be okay.
But it really makes me uneasy, this militarization of the police. Here in Houston, there are home invasions (which usually only happen to folks who are involved in "risky business"). But to see film of PD members busting in the door to a house without presenting a warrant and proper ID themselves...hell, isn't that what the British did to the colonists? Warrantless search and seizure? I wonder how the hell that's constitutional. And of course, the homeowner, whether they're running from the law or not, may think they're being invaded...so the police shoot them when they appear with a weapon to protect themselves and their home. I've had good and bad experiences with law enforcement (I think calling them pigs is just wrong...don't judge them as pigs until they act like pigs, huh?) but I just remember the rule: Don't **** with the ****ers, and it usually turns out just fine. Unless, of course, they put me in jail again. Then it sucks. | |
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Posted: 8/9/2008 4:29:45 PM | so what does happen if cops burst in without knocking at night probably using torches to blind you confused shouting, you happen to have your trusty M16 by your bedside and you start using it on the first mf home invader to come through the door as you shield your wife. Nowadays police on home invasion duty seem all to get dressed up like faceless terrorists of the olden days all in black with balaclavas and dark specs so you really can't indentify them as police if you are the one staring down the barrel of their weapons. Do police on these raids like except the risks of their rapid pentration methods or would they complain that it was so unfair to be shot back at in self defence.
Personally speaking, seeing as these raids are normally conducted after observation and intelligence gathering, instead the house should be surrounded and non leathal gas pumped in, if you decide to burst in then thats pretty much a declaration of war against the king of that castle.
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Posted: 8/9/2008 4:50:09 PM | | ^^^yup, that's just what I'm sayin'...and I don't really think they should be just stopping folks on the street unless there's some suspicious behavior (i.e., the "suspect" is adjusting the gun stuck in his waistband/pocketing the money from an observed drug transaction/striking another person/etc.). Otherwise, its like the old WWII movies with the dudes in the black uniforms..."Show us your papers." | |
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Posted: 8/9/2008 9:07:02 PM |
The guy chooses to dress in a way that is a political statement against authority. He draws attention. The cops want to know who he is, and they want him to know they know who he is. He loves having his ideals affirmed. He gets a great rant against the machine without paying a price for it. Minor inconvenience, major indignation. Tempest in teapot. I have my lighter in the air as I write this one handed.
Just because someone dresses diffrently does not mean they are against authority! I was HUGE into the goth scene (untill i had my son) I didn't do it to rebel. I did it for the simple fact that i LIKED THE LOOK! | |
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