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Posted: 8/9/2008 9:16:48 PM | | Just think if a secret task force was put together secretly and they started serching cops houses and personal vehicles. You can lie to everyone else but you know. Quadra-tracs,guns,tv's,tools,drugs. Other peoples property? | |
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Posted: 12/10/2008 3:17:19 PM | jimthetoolman on 8/9/2008 11;16;48 PM
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Message: Just think if a secret task force was put together secretly and they started serching cops houses and personal vehicles. You can lie to everyone else but you know. Quadra-tracs,guns,tv's,tools,drugs. Other peoples property? What an interesting thread. Can't let this one die can we? Yes back in the late 70's a couple teens was out riping a few houses off. Well one of their parent found some stuff and the kid came clean and squeeled out his buddy to his Dad. The Dad called the law. The law came an confiscated the stolen guns and watches and other valuables. Well the two kids got sent off and did time in juvinile prison. To this day my Dads never got his two guns back. They was held for evidence back in about 1976. A year later my Dad tried again to get his two guns back and they couldn't find them. Humm wonder who's got them now? | |
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Posted: 12/10/2008 3:23:43 PM | | The cops seem to follow me, so i just pull over and wait. I can't stand cops. Idiots. The other group i seem to attract like a magnet is store security morons. But yes, looking different gets you questioned. Like i said...idiots,and arrogant ones at that. | |
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Posted: 12/10/2008 3:26:41 PM | My nephew....who is 7ft 4. Was walking home around 6pm from his uncles house and walked through the neighborhood park. He also has Diabetes and the Dr. told him to take brisk walks to help him get his diabetes under control.
So he decided to take his walk and the police stopped him and ID him ...gave him a ticket for loitering..........???
He went to court to fight the ticket and the police officer was placed on leave of absence for taking hats from a vendor downtown to check if they were counterfit during a baseball game...and kept them ...passed them out to his friends and the vendor contacted our police dept.
He didnt show up to court that day..so my nephew didn't have to pay the ticket. | |
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Posted: 12/10/2008 3:35:12 PM | Thankfully things are better in Cda. The police don't have the right to ask for ID if you're not doing anything. And they can't just make up "We're looking for someone who looks like you", unless there is an actual BOLO, and there will be a police record of a BOLO. No BOLO, no right to detain. However, police frequently do what they're not allowed to do. I had one client who was stopped because of a BOLO (my client and the suspect were both aboriginal teens- great description to use while searching the core) and they confirmed he wasn't the suspect, but when they saw he had a record for a weapon's offence, they decided to do a search for safety reasons- found 39 rocks on him. Case however was tossed as they shouldn't have done a search, they should have turned around and left. Had another client where the police saw him on the street and said "Hey, you're Person X! You're not allowed to have cell phones on you- we're going to see if you have a cell phone on you"- also tossed on the basis that they had no right to detain him.
You don't have to carry ID, and you don't have to identify yourself to police while walking on the street. However, if you do match a description of a suspect and don't prove you're not the suspect, you may be detained pending identification.
As to driving, in Cda, the police can pull you over for no reason. And you have to have your license on you for driving. | |
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Posted: 12/10/2008 4:05:16 PM |
Do the police have the right to demand ID from someone who is merely walking down the street? And then to run the name, looking for warrants?
A police officer can detain you if he has reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime. He can only detain you for a limited time to confirm or deny his suspicion. Once suspicions are confirmed or dispelled, he must either arrest you or let you go. When they ask to see his ID, your boyfriend needs to ask the cops why they are detaining him. They cannot just pick someone at random and run them through the computer to see what they find. They MUST have a reasonable cause. Period. | |
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Posted: 12/10/2008 7:00:43 PM | | If the OPs bf decides to show hi9mself inpublic in that get-up, he has to expect a certain amount of mistrust and suspicion to be thrown at him. If he wants to be normal, he'd find he has lots less problems. He is bringing it down on himself...and loving it. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2008 2:22:10 PM |
If the OPs bf decides to show hi9mself in public in that get-up, he has to expect a certain amount of mistrust and suspicion to be thrown at himIf he wants to be normal, he'd find he has lots less problems.
Ted Bundy looked very normal - that's why he was such a success as a serial killer. If you are a bad guy trying to get away with something, you will dress to blend in, not stand out. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2008 3:32:08 PM | Do the police have the right to demand ID from someone who is merely walking down the street?
no and HELL no!
this isn't nazi germany (yet) and i feel very strongly that this kind of authoritarian, unconstitutional bullshit should be thoroughly and unhesitatingly resisted. what your BF experienced is no different than what many people in the suburbs of washington, DC have experienced... i.e., "driving while black".
tell your BF to visit the ACLU website. frankly a lot of stuff they do (or don't do) pisses me off but one of the things they are VERY good at -- and completely right about -- is stuff like this. i believe they have a wallet card for people to use that reminds them what their rights are and what they can say/do in situations like this. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2008 3:39:14 PM | law enforcement runs deep in my family, we are merely doing like the others said, just checking, you run we follow, you stay but show signs of guilt we check, we remain nuetral some of us act like jerks but the rest are just doing what the community wants.
you hate cops til you need us
i don't hate cops in general; i have met a handful that were completely marvelous people; but i despise them in particular when they step over the line... especially when the line is bleeding obvious and brazenly unconstitutional. they don't call this kind of cop "pig" for nothing. as a mayor or sheriff, i would not tolerate one ounce of that kind of behavior, and i'd have their badges in a heartbeat. this is EXTREMELY disrespectful and EXTREMELY heinous, inexcusable behavior. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2008 4:21:20 PM | since cops know the law to the letter, they can bend it around to their agenda or their sour attitude. they can be your best friend -or your worst enemy. -unless you know the laws (or have an ambulance chasing attorney for a friend who wants to make you rich) -your probibly at best to cooperate with them or make some other poor shmuck look like a better profiling target than you. unless you like getting your ass kicked. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2008 5:19:27 PM | While I don't live in the US, my brother has a "girlfriend" who lives in a seedy area of town and she looks and dresses like a hooker.
They were interrogated late at night in a mall parking lot because she was dancing on the roof of his car while it was coasting undriven, music blasting. They've been picked up several times in the bad area of town in which she lives. They've been separated and interviewed by two cops and he's been asked if he knows her name, addy, etc. Of course he does - so they have to let the both of them go.
But he understands, as should everyone else, that if you look like a hooker and john, a postmodern anarchist, hippie, revolutionary, Hell's angel, cyberpunk, or someone else who is very counter-culture, you will be intercepted. On the other hand, I've never been stopped by the cops for any reason......
Book 'em Danno! | |
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Posted: 12/23/2008 9:18:33 PM | | People are getting so scared in the US now they think if a cop says to jump you ask how hi. Like it was said this is no Nazi Germany. If you are not doing anything wrong plain and simple you are not. If you have some problem cop giving you problems go file a complaint. Nobody has the right to violate your rights regardless of there public standing. Thats not to say be a****if you get pulled over for speeding,well that is your owne friggin fault. But i have been harrased repeadetly by moron cops because i carry concealed. For whatever reason, say a dwi checkpoint the cop will see my pistol in the console and ask me why the hell i am carrying a gun. Because its my right thats why and they have NO right to try and give me crap for carrying. The irony of course being that they all carry. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2008 9:20:37 PM | | I got pulled over on foot a few times while walking to a liquor store a few times. Which is hilarious because I'm under 21. They always think I'm up to no good because I go to a "notorious" school and wear a black jacket with a black backpack. I usually just show the military ID and they go away. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2008 2:23:41 AM | The Police are not the Law, they enforce the law,and have to obey the law.
The police have a hard job and we all should always thank them for doing that job...
The reason some police officer go an extra step, is that the general public does not know what their rights are under the law.
Do the police have the right to demand ID from someone who is merely walking down the street? And then to run the name, looking for warrants? They have every right, as long as they aren't beating it out of him. How else do you expect the police to find people who have warrents out on them? I'm pretty sure that if your boyfriend is warrent free, that a few moments out of his day won't hurt him any.
This reponse to your question is typical to how most of the general public thinks.
Remember, the The Police dont have "every Right"...you and your boyfriend do.
Under the 14 amendmen of the Constitution.
And if the responder whats to Give-up his time and his rights, thats his business...He cant give your bofriend's or mine away.
You and your boyfriend have to become familiar with Laws dealing with Stop and Search.
Durring such a stop, your boyfriend should ask "RESPECTFULLY" of the offercers, why, what was the reason that he was being stopped. Mention the times this has happened, and politely ask for the offercer's names and badge numbers. (Yes your BF will have to carry a note pad and pen.) And if they continue to stop him for no reason, he can file a complaint with the Department for each incedent...This goes into the offercer file, and superiors can see if a pattren develops with this offercer.
Search out lagal aid and Human right organizations in your area...Thay may have valuble information for you.
Get involved, learn your rights...An imformed public is a powerful thing. your rights are out there-use them
Many good men and women have fought and died {many of them Police offecers} to protect and defend your rights...Honor them and learn.
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Posted: 12/24/2008 7:07:59 AM | | could also be that the police just truely enjoy harrassing the public. If I had to choose this would be my guess. How a person dresses is not a cops business as long as they are dressed. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2008 8:39:41 AM |
Do the police have the right to demand ID from someone who is merely walking down the street? And then to run the name, looking for warrants?
Not without a reason, although I'm not sure if the reason has to meet the standard of probablr cause. There are relatively recent Supreme Court rulings that deal with this. Use google or see the aclu website. One thing is for certain. Unless you are willing to risk arrest and follow through with a court case, you're going to give the police your id, since they are not likely to listen to any argument about your rights. If they cared about your rights, they wouldn't break the law to violate them in the first place.
Apparently a mildly unconventional appearance is all it takes to negate the idea that this is a free country.
That is probably true, but THAT issue has been riled on definitively by the Supreme Court in a case about 20 or so years ago and basically the Court said that it is unconstitutional to stop someone and ask for id merely because they are walking and dress in an uncoventional way or appear to be ``out of place'' or out at an ``unusual'' time. Again, what the law is doesn't matter unless you are prepared to risk arrest and follow through with a court case. The only option you have is to file a complaint, which depending on your local police department could work to your disadvantage, even (or esp.) if substantiated. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2008 10:59:40 AM | | Those were civilian cops. MPs have never bothered me because I know lots of MPs on pretty much every east coast base. | |
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Posted: 12/25/2008 12:30:52 AM |
They have every right, as long as they aren't beating it out of him.
WRONG.
How else do you expect the police to find people who have warrents out on them?
I expect them to do it in the LAWFUL way, which prohibits them from stopping and ID-ing people at random.
Read the constitution and stop being part of the problem. | |
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Posted: 12/25/2008 10:14:32 AM |
I do not believe that the police have the right to ask someone for ID if they are walking down the street. Many moons ago, when in JR. high, we had a teacher who was a hippie. He informed us that the police could not ask who you were unless you were under arrest. Since I was never in a position that I was asked my name by the police, I was never able to test that theory. The most I have ever been asked by a cop was where I was going.
Everywhere I have ever lived.it was part of the drill...your hippie teacher was misinformed. | |
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Posted: 12/25/2008 10:56:20 AM | The north Georgia mountains where I live must be the roadblock capital of the world.
They have constant roadblocks around here using anything they can think of as an excuse.
License checks, seat belt checks, you name it and they have used it as an excuse for a roadblock.
Constitutional rights??? No Such Thing in the United States of what used to be a free country called America.
News flash,, This is the new Nazi Germany.. Where's your papers? What? No papers? Your under arrest.!!!!
No ID ? Your under arrest.!! You wanna call your Lawyer?? Your under arrest for resisting arrest.!!
Oh Look. Your under arrest for this pot I pulled out of my shirt pocket..
Yea,, They have got you any way they want you and there isn't anything you can do about it.
Remember fine citizen.. They are the Law and whatever they say in court is Gold ..
Guilty until proven innocent..!!! | |
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Posted: 12/26/2008 12:06:41 AM | It saddens me just how uninformed people are about the law.
Cops are allowed to stop someone and ask for ID inside their jurisdiction and in uniform/on duty. There is no law or Supreme Court precedent outlawing that. Everybody and their brother hides behind the Constitution, a document I am sworn to uphold and defend. But is it the final say on law? No. A strict constructional would call the Air Force unconstitutional.
And I can only hope nebula is joking because nothing short of a life changing epiphany will change that mind. | |
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Posted: 12/26/2008 1:20:09 AM | short and sweet, I hope.
Moved back home to small town NY in '96. Worked in a factory second shift, so I was getting out of work at 11 in a small town, and was driving the car I bought when I was living in VA, a white '72 Dodge Charger, sweet car, but not a rod by any means. Stock 318. I was stopped probably 10 times in two years, with no probable cause, and with only 10 cop cars in the little burg, they all knew me at some point, but kept stopping me. Always legal, always sober, always just getting out of work and headed home. In those 10 times stopped, I was never ticketed. I suppose a '72 Charger at 11 at night just looks like trouble, no matter how many times you've stopped it.
Also, when I was living in VA, I was in a road band and during a very busy period when we were constantly booked, I put my stuff all in storage and used a PO box, because I was always in a hotel room, and couldn't see the point of paying rent when I was never there. I got pulled over on a routine check, and was doing nothing wrong, was ID'd and charged with VAGRANCY, because I only had a PO box for an address.
These days I drive an old Taurus...nobody ever bothers me in my granny mobile, but man do I miss my Charger. And my vagrant wayfaring days. | |
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Posted: 12/26/2008 5:22:04 AM | | I used to cut through a druggie neighborhood when I was driving to save a good 10 minutes in traffic. Yes, I (white, female, clean cut) was stopped and asked why I was in the neighborhood. I told them the truth - I was not there to buy drugs. Are you sure this guy isn't in the policeman's radar for some other crime? | |
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