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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/14/2008 6:14:40 AM |
So there really is no completion? Completion? If you mean is there no end to the cycle of really bad ideas from the people who brought us tax and spend … not as long as we have fiscal liberals, and a portion of the private sector who believe every politician who uses the word "change" actually has a grasp on both the problem and the correct long term solution.
It is time to enact the Sherman Anti trust and break these guys up.... Exxon Mobile is not a monopoly, not sure how the Sherman Anti-Trust applies... I mean you yourself identify they have plenty of competition...
ExxonMobil's return on capital 23.5%, Sounds like a good investment.
the average for major oil and gas companies is 17.7%, Still sounds like a good investment.
the average for the companies in the Standard & Poor's 500 is 10.7%. far better than a simple savings account... but you have to be willing to risk your investment, there are still a few of us that do believe great rewards require great risk. Apparently there are still quite a few who like to sit on the porch and whine about others making money by savvy investing...
So, lets give the some royalty free oil? Ahhh... socialism, the friend of the lazy....
Everyone is negatively impacted at the pump, those of us who have mutual funds through our 401K's are getting some of the money back, but that's the way it's always been. I would love to see gas prices at the same place they were prior to the Carter Administration, but the simple fact is the minute the Federal Government began attempting to regulate the industry, they kicked the door wide open for price escalation.
Let's look at this with just a little common sense, there is nothing at all wrong with the oil industry, the problem is in the consumption of oil. Without any help from Washington, we have sucked it up and reduced our oil consumption to a rate not previously seen since the end of the Carter Administration.
WASHINGTON, Aug 12 (Reuters) - U.S. oil demand during the first half of 2008 fell by an average 800,000 barrels per day compared to the same period a year ago, the biggest volume decline in 26 years, the Energy Information Administration said on Tuesday.
Now what we need is an automobile that can squeeze every possible mile out of a gallon rather than simply making gas cheap again. Since the Oil Industry is booming still, and the US Automobile industry is failing, doesn't common sense dictate Government involvement (if you assume government involvement is a beneficial element) would be better aimed at improving automobile technology rather than temporarily and artificially reducing gas prices? There's an old expression, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it..." Oil isn't broke, it's the automobile industry that is, and common sense dictates you focus on the actual problem, not the fact that a company in a capitalist nation was able to show a profit for its investors.
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/14/2008 7:21:40 AM | You support the Government ... The people of the US not receiving one penny from the oil sold from the leases in the Gulf?
You believe it is OK for Exxon and others to be given Oil from new leases?.......
That is my oil you and all the oil lackeys crying to give away........
those of us who have mutual funds through our 401K's
Your 401 is only in oil and energy? Good place to be........
Oil is as broken as the auto industry........
Oil has No Competition, and Industry writing the government regulations to prevent Competition..... | |
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/18/2008 6:27:17 AM |
You support the Government ... The people of the US not receiving one penny from the oil sold from the leases in the Gulf? I support the government? Doooooooood, I think every incumbant should be voted out of office.
You believe it is OK for Exxon and others to be given Oil from new leases?....... You present the issue as though all they have to do is pull up to some magical Government pumping station and fill up their buckets... It will take millions in private sector investment capital expended before the very first drop ever makes it above the ocean floor. I have absolutely no problem with people who are willing to invest private funds generating a profit, can't imagine why you do....
That is my oil you and all the oil lackeys crying to give away........ Your oil? You own the ocean floor?
those of us who have mutual funds through our 401K's
Your 401 is only in oil and energy? Good place to be........
Ummmm a mutual fund is a prestructured divirsified portfolio of which people buy a share of, it is not generally limited to a single commodity.
Oil is as broken as the auto industry........ The auto industry is losing money and is heavily regulated by the government ... the oil industry is making money and is not quite as heavily regulated. The Federal Government has a long history of ruining everything they "improve" for our benefit such as Education and Health Care, you really think socializing the oil industry will make it better?
Oil has No Competition, and Industry writing the government regulations to prevent Competition..... You mean the oil industry has lobbyists?!?!?! ... *GASP*
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/18/2008 3:57:50 PM |
You present the issue as though all they have to do is pull up to some magical Government pumping station and fill up their buckets... It will take millions in private sector investment capital expended before the very first drop ever makes it above the ocean floor. I have absolutely no problem with people who are willing to invest private funds generating a profit, can't imagine why you do....
What will the USA gain from the Resources being given to Exxon?
You want to give Coal, Gold, Lumber and ...... to mining and lumber companies?
We need to be fair ... No company should pay for anything.
They have to invest....
How about Ski resorts..... They have to Invest huge money......
Opec and the Seven Sluts do not have any competition.....
The GOP filibustered 10 energy bills that included drilling in the closed areas this session.
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/19/2008 9:04:59 AM |
What will the USA gain from the Resources being given to Exxon? Ummm... reduced gas prices and a lesser dependency on foreign oil....
You want to give Coal, Gold, Lumber and ...... to mining and lumber companies? Sure, let them have all they can get from the bottom of the ocean floor.... do you actually consider whether your points are rooted in reality, or do you just espouse anti-capitalist rhetoric no matter the situation? Of course there should be compensation for any natural resource that is owned by a separate entity, since the oil being sought after is not, who would you have them compensate?
We need to be fair ... No company should pay for anything.
They have to invest....
How about Ski resorts..... They have to Invest huge money...... And if they’re fortunate, they get a huge return on their investment, how does that differ from oil companies? If an oil company drills on someone’s land they have to pay for the mineral rights just as a developer would have to purchase or lease a portion of the mountain, if you can find a company willing to invest in an underwater ski resort, I say give them access to a section of the ocean floor … I’d never invest in it, but you are free to do with your money as you wish … 
Opec and the Seven Sluts do not have any competition..... So there really is only one oil company and the rest are just subsidiaries?
The GOP filibustered 10 energy bills that included drilling in the closed areas this session.
How about an up or down vote? Where do you get your information from? The GOP has been trying to get this debated on the floor and the Speaker of the House literally pulled the plug to go on vacation.....
It’s easy to see you feel passionate about the issue, misguided, but passionate nonetheless.
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/19/2008 9:45:37 AM |
What will the USA gain from the Resources being given to Exxon?
Ummm... reduced gas prices and a lesser dependency on foreign oil....
There is zero evidence to support that belief and a preponderance of evidence to refute it. Any investigation into oil flow, refinement, production, and costs shows a one way trend to higher prices no matter the actual supply of crude or refined. Nor does anything show a significant decrease in dependency on foreign sources but rather more likely and increase of consumption to equal the greater supply. Finally given oil companies will as freely sell our oil to foreign markets rather then supply us with cheaper oil there is no evidence that the resources that BELONG to the people would be used by Exxon to better the people but instead solely for its own profit
Sure, let them have all they can get from the bottom of the ocean floor.... do you actually consider whether your points are rooted in reality, or do you just espouse anti-capitalist rhetoric no matter the situation? Of course there should be compensation for any natural resource that is owned by a separate entity, since the oil being sought after is not, who would you have them compensate?
You should consider the question of reality in your own points. The reality is the nation claims territory in the name of the people of that nation. That means that patch of ocean floor actaully belongs to you. Do you want some corporation to come in ruin your property steal everything of value, ruin it for any other purpose and charge you for it? Before you flipantly answer consider this literally applies to your own home, and no its not different. Before you espouse pro-capitalist rhetoric have you studied the history of capitalism and the American revolution and the Constitution?
If an oil company drills on someone’s land they have to pay for the mineral rights just as a developer would have to purchase or lease a portion of the mountain, if you can find a company willing to invest in an underwater ski resort, I say give them access to a section of the ocean floor … I’d never invest in it, but you are free to do with your money as you wish …
Except the oil companies have not been paying for the rights, they have instead been requesting them gratis, and even worse requesting funds to comensate them for the costs of exploring and producing from them never returning those funds.
Where do you get your information from? The GOP has been trying to get this debated on the floor and the Speaker of the House literally pulled the plug to go on vacation.....
It’s easy to see you feel passionate about the issue, misguided, but passionate nonetheless.
He got it from the congressional record. He's right, and the only thing the GOP wants to discuss is allowing drilling they do not want to discuss let alone debate anything about energy policy. | |
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/19/2008 11:32:24 AM | Some of Points filibustered ....
Develop existing leases or give them back ...
Drill here sell here ....
Cleanup the 5000 abandon oil platforms in the Gulf...
Eliminate the Enron Loophole ...
End Tax subsidies for Oil companies...
End the Outer Continental Shelf Deep Water Royalty Relief Act... when oil was $20 barrel.
Up or down votes?
TV and Radio are full of political ads demanding Drilling ...20 Congressmen, make an issue out of congress ending session..... 20 members that recently received $3 million dollars from oil.
If I had a $22 billion profit in 90 days ...could spend some money.... A few million Deductible Dollars...... for Education of the Citizens of the USA.......
How important is the Royalty Relief Act??? How many Billions is it worth??? | |
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/19/2008 12:02:07 PM |
There is zero evidence to support that belief and a preponderance of evidence to refute it. Any investigation into oil flow, refinement, production, and costs shows a one way trend to higher prices no matter the actual supply of crude or refined. Nor does anything show a significant decrease in dependency on foreign sources but rather more likely and increase of consumption to equal the greater supply. Finally given oil companies will as freely sell our oil to foreign markets rather then supply us with cheaper oil there is no evidence that the resources that BELONG to the people would be used by Exxon to better the people but instead solely for its own profit So where is this preponderance of evidence that the big bad Exxon Boogey Man is conspiring to sell US oil to other nations? Isn't it more realistic to consider the transportation of oil from 12 miles out is more efficient than shipping it 10,000 miles to sell to a foreign entity only to replace it with shipments from the current source, also 10,000 miles away?
You should consider the question of reality in your own points. The reality is the nation claims territory in the name of the people of that nation. That means that patch of ocean floor actaully belongs to you. Do you want some corporation to come in ruin your property steal everything of value, ruin it for any other purpose and charge you for it? Before you flipantly answer consider this literally applies to your own home, and no its not different. Before you espouse pro-capitalist rhetoric have you studied the history of capitalism and the American revolution and the Constitution? To begin with, these pockets of oil are not divided into specific territories, what is drilled from within the 12 mile limit may possibly also be accessed from 12 miles +1 foot, so while we restrict our corporations from tapping the oil, we have no jurisdiction over China or any other country willing to explore from outside our territorial waters. Basically you're saying other nations have the right to benefit from undersea oil exploration off our coast but we do not.... For the record, the territorial claim is for restriction of free access by other nations, not mineral rights for each and every individual citizen. The American Revolution, the Constitution, nor the history of capitalism has any bearing on the access of mineral rights within our territorial waters, that is strictly a legislative issue, and the legislation in place, which must be continuously renewed, currently prohibits it. For the record, procuring access to minerals in un-deeded areas is not the same as procuring mineral rights on private property ... | |
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/19/2008 12:43:24 PM |
So where is this preponderance of evidence that the big bad Exxon Boogey Man is conspiring to sell US oil to other nations? Isn't it more realistic to consider the transportation of oil from 12 miles out is more efficient than shipping it 10,000 miles to sell to a foreign entity only to replace it with shipments from the current source, also 10,000 miles away?
Exxon has the largest refinery capacity in the world both on and off shore refineries... It is infact doing so every day. You can argue the logic of what might be "realistic" but they argue what they can do to maximize profit. If we buy oil for 20 dollars a barrel verse drill it locally for 15dollars a barrel world wide and shipping is 12 dollars a barrel and europe buys it for 20 pounds a barrel you can be sure that they will sell our oil to europe to maximise that profit. Example in current numbers. Exxon can spend 20 dollars to provide an american 1 barrel of foreign oil sell it at a mark up or even lets say at cost. It can draw for 15 dollars a barrel and sell to an american at cost or at 20 dollars for immediate 5 dollar profit, or if it sells to europe for 20pounds it makes $5.32 for the oil it bought for $20 and if it drilled that oil then shipped it, exxon makes $10.32. Which do you think they are going to do? Give you cheaper oil or send your cheap oil where they can get more for it?.
The rest of your post is debunked sufficiently elsewhere and not worth repeating. | |
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/19/2008 2:46:32 PM | Clearly economics is not your strong suit.... To begin, the big bad cigar chomping oil boogeyman is not going to export "free" oil from the US while paying through the nose to import the US supply from the middle east, it boggles the mind how anyone can construe that as a profitable plan. Even if through some magical calculation error where they find it’s cheaper to export domestic crude while importing foreign, the main intent is ending oil dependency on other nations, particularly those countries which are either volatile or hostile to the US.
As for things being "debunked" I'm quite certain nothing has been debunked, unless you define debunked as "because I said so...." I know this may come as a shock to you, but simply because another Liberal says something, it doesn’t mean it’s factual, accurate or even cognitive.
From your previous post...
He got it from the congressional record. He's right, and the only thing the GOP wants to discuss is allowing drilling they do not want to discuss let alone debate anything about energy policy. Got a link to this congressional record? I mean you insist it exists, so paste it in here and allow the rest of us to see how we're being duped ...
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/19/2008 3:10:40 PM | As usual your ignorance shows in abundance But in the hope that you will educate yourself I will help you learn another of your rights as an american citizen.
The library of Congress is required by law to maintain in the public trust all congressional activity. This is called the congressional record. To facilitate this the Library of congress created Thomas... an online searchable index of all public congressional information it is impartial, it is for almost all purposes irrefutable.
http://thomas.loc.gov/
As for my economics no I provided you the math and the examples it is done, it is fact, its not a liberal or conservative propoganda it just is. Domestic oil is sold overseas period the end. The CIA lists the amount as about 1.048 million bbl/day.
You are duped but saddly nothing is going to get that through to anyone whose discourse is their view or its a liberal. | |
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/19/2008 5:28:52 PM |
As usual your ignorance shows in abundance But in the hope that you will educate yourself I will help you learn another of your rights as an american citizen. tsk tsk tsk, let's not get personal.... To begin, YOU claim it was part of the Congressional Record ... I frequently reference the Congressional Record to demonstrate the hypocrisy of our current Congressional leaders... I do thank you for your clever yet unsuccessful attempt to change from a discussion of the topic to an attempt to insult someone whom you feel to be less informed than you. The question, since YOU referenced the Congressional Record as the source for all of these alleged GOP filibusters, was to simply include the link so that we might become as informed as you on all matters of current political interest. Your attempt at subterfuge is pretty much a glowing declaration that the Congressional Record you referred to is as mythical as the big oil boogey man you seem to fear.
The library of Congress is required by law to maintain in the public trust all congressional activity. This is called the congressional record. To facilitate this the Library of congress created Thomas... an online searchable index of all public congressional information it is impartial, it is for almost all purposes irrefutable.
http://thomas.loc.gov/ Really ... the Library of Congress was established to document the activities of *gulp* Congress?!?!?!? Who'd have thunk it!
As for my economics no I provided you the math and the examples it is done, it is fact, its not a liberal or conservative propoganda it just is. Domestic oil is sold overseas period the end. The CIA lists the amount as about 1.048 million bbl/day. Simple mathematical formulas no matter how creative and charming they may be are not demonstrations of economics. If a company can meet it's product demands at a reduced cost, i.e.; obtaining US oil vs. importing domestic oil, it is financially irresponsible to procure the higher priced product in lieu of utilizing the lesser expensive to meet it's demands. Since we do provide oil to certain other countries largely in association with humanitarian aid packages, it is of course feasible that some oil could be exported, but to consider one barrel as "free" and the other $130 per barrel is ridiculous.
By the way, the link you were searching for on this reference is https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html
and the information is 3-4 years old ... had you bothered to check the ENTIRE story, in 2004, the US exported 1,048,000 barrels of oil per day, while IMPORTING 13,150,000.
Oil - consumption: 20.8 million bbl/day (2005 est.)
Oil - production: 8.322 million bbl/day (2005 est.)
Oil - exports: 1.048 million bbl/day (2004)
Oil - imports: 13.15 million bbl/day (2004)
According to the above, 40% of all oil consumed was produced domestically, with the balance (60% consumed and 5% exported) from imports. A quick snapshot of the global economy demonstrates that the least expensive oil prices are in countries that do not rely heavily on imported oil ... it's just plain ol’ fashioned common sense, it is not cheaper to import than it is to consume our own.
You are duped but saddly nothing is going to get that through to anyone whose discourse is their view or its a liberal. I don't mind opinions at all, it's when Liberals such as yourself present their opinion as fact, and refuse to accept that it could be wrong even when presented with actual documented proof that it is just that. For example, the last time there was an attempt to discuss the energy policy on the floor of the house; it was blocked by the Democratic Leadership so that they could go on a 5 week vacation. The link which proves this as indisputable fact is not in the coffers of ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN or FOX, rather it is in the only unbiased source in existence for such data, the actual congressional voting record:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll566.xml | |
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/19/2008 9:16:07 PM |
For example, the last time there was an attempt to discuss the energy policy on the floor of the house; it was blocked by the Democratic Leadership so that they could go on a 5 week vacation.
You mean the grandstand SaVE THE USA up or down vote?
What about July 30? Or July?
The GOP blocked three energy bills last week to force Democrats to lift a drilling ban.
By Gail Russell Chaddock | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
from the July 28, 2008 edition
Last week, Republicans blocked three Democratic bills in as many days: On Thursday, the House rejected a measure that would have released about 70 million barrels of oil from the nation's Strategic Petroleum Reserve. On Friday, Senate Republicans blocked a move that would have led to a vote on a bill to stop excessive speculation in energy markets. On Saturday, the GOP minority again opposed taking up a $5.1 billion Senate measure to help low-income Americans pay utility bills this year.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0728/p02s01-usec.html
How about
S.3335
H.R.6049
H.R.5351
S.3268
H.R.6
S.1497
S.193
The ban on the closed areas ends with the fiscal year? It will have to be renewed with the next session of Congress.... The ban ENDS SEPT 08......
These are current numbers .....
Please note how much oil is Exported and where it was exported to.
What was the price of Gas??? This is how my oil would be handled when it is given away without any controls.......
Current numbers
Imports Crude Oil and Petroleum Products 12,257 Barrels per day 08/08
Imported Crude Oil (Excluding SPR) 9,655 Barrels per day 08/08
I thought the we were not to be purchasing the most expensive oil in history to store ????
Exports Crude Oil and Petroleum Products 1,501 Barrels per day 08/08
May-08 thousands of barrels Monthly exported....
Argentina 1,303
Australia 128
Belgium 937
Brazil 1,043
Canada 7,324
China 909
France 1,050
Germany 463
Italy 1,434
Netherlands 2,551
Netherlands/Antilles 1,120
Spain 2,018
United Kingdom 910
Refinery Inputs and Utilization
Gross Inputs 15,124 Barrels per day 08/08
Operable (Barrels per Calendar Day) 17,593,847
Refinery capacity 85.90%
Remember we need to build more Refineries.....
We do need to pass a bill maybe raise the gas tax to pay for the removal of the 5000 abandon oil platforms in the Gulf....... | |
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/20/2008 4:18:45 AM | Obviously you don't allow facts to get in the way of presenting an argument... The House of Representatives is controlled by a Democratic Majority. If, even with the help of 17 Democrats, the GOP couldn't prevent the vacation, how is it you, or anyone else for that matter, can consider that the GOP blocked anything? They simply do not have the votes to override anything Pelosi wants to do. Democrats hold 236 Seats, while Republicans hold 199. As we saw on August 1st, a margin of a single vote is all that is required to pass any motion, claiming the House Republicans "blocked" anything is simply refusing to accept responsibility for ineffectiveness of the current leadership...
By definition, the House of Representatives is a compilation of OUR Representatives whom we elected to put our voice forward, yet without an overwhelming majority, Pelosi & Company refuse to put anything in front of the Senate or President for their approval. Color me crazy, but if your elected representatives don't present your wishes to the executive branch for signature, then by tacit approval aren't they doing the opposite of what you sent them to Washington to do?
The 2006 elections were all about "change" yet the only change we've experienced since 2006 is a declining economy, a weakened dollar, escalating unemployment, declining property values, and increased gas prices... I can't speak for anyone else but if we have to endure any more "change" then the only thing I'm going to have left in my pocket at the end of the month is just that ... CHANGE
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/20/2008 5:49:59 AM |
Obviously you don't allow facts to get in the way of presenting an argument... The House of Representatives is controlled by a Democratic Majority. If, even with the help of 17 Democrats, the GOP couldn't prevent the vacation, how is it you, or anyone else for that matter, can consider that the GOP blocked anything? They simply do not have the votes to override anything Pelosi wants to do. Democrats hold 236 Seats, while Republicans hold 199. As we saw on August 1st, a margin of a single vote is all that is required to pass any motion, claiming the House Republicans "blocked" anything is simply refusing to accept responsibility for ineffectiveness of the current leadership...
By definition, the House of Representatives is a compilation of OUR Representatives whom we elected to put our voice forward, yet without an overwhelming majority, Pelosi & Company refuse to put anything in front of the Senate or President for their approval. Color me crazy, but if your elected representatives don't present your wishes to the executive branch for signature, then by tacit approval aren't they doing the opposite of what you sent them to Washington to do?
The 2006 elections were all about "change" yet the only change we've experienced since 2006 is a declining economy, a weakened dollar, escalating unemployment, declining property values, and increased gas prices... I can't speak for anyone else but if we have to endure any more "change" then the only thing I'm going to have left in my pocket at the end of the month is just that ... CHANGE
You're kidding right?
Hey everybody do a quick search! "Record filibuster year"
First link!
http://www.americablog.com/2007/12/gop-senators-break-record-for.html
GOP Senators break record for filibusters
They broke record number of filibusters, with a year to spare.
Who isn't letting facts get in the way of their position now? You're forgeting about the SENATE. | |
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/20/2008 6:08:32 AM | | Congressperson Nancy Pelosi is a genius, she went on vacation and the price of gas has already dropped by over 50 cents a gallon, it would not matter what the democratic congress did as long as President Bush is in office, soon Senator soon to be President Barack will be in office and you will see change, so sell your stock in Exxon the gig is just about up | |
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/20/2008 6:18:58 AM |
You're kidding right?
Hey everybody do a quick search! "Record filibuster year"
First link!
http://www.americablog.com/2007/12/gop-senators-break-record-for.html
GOP Senators break record for filibusters
They broke record number of filibusters, with a year to spare.
Who isn't letting facts get in the way of their position now? You're forgeting about the SENATE.
As usual Charles, you're setting up the typical liberal smoke and mirrors to shift the focus from the ineffective leadership of the Democratic Party. The topic of discussion is not the Senate and it's record from some 8+ months ago, or Harry Reid’s complete lack of leadership. The topic is the House of Representatives and the issue of what will soon become the biggest financial crisis in American History and the lack of understanding by Nancy Pelosi that the citizens of the United States are suffering because the only thing she can lead us to is a renovation of the house gym, a revamp of the cafeteria menu, and vacations...
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/20/2008 6:27:38 AM |
Obviously you don't allow facts to get in the way of presenting an argument... The House of Representatives is controlled by a Democratic Majority
The Christian Science monitor is lying..... ????? 85 Filibusters........ Up or Down votes? ....... SURE.....
The oil lackeys in Congress are makeing an issue out of their obstructionist policies.... The Ban will end in September? Fact.
Oil given to oil companies from the closed areas would be sold to France........Or China.... Or?
As soon as it is out of the ground it is not OUR oil... Drilling will Not lower the Price I pay at the PUMP>>>> Fact.
How about an amendment "drill here sell here? "
How about an amendment develop current leases they hold or give them back?
Those were blocked.... NO UP OR DOWN ..... Isn't that a double standard?
Turn on the radio or watch TV . There is a massive advertising campaign to open these areas up............ Listen to Hannity or ?? ...
They all repeat the talking points.... drill here drill now....
Who's paying for all this educational information? A civic minded citizen with LOTS of money?
Oil Interest......(it is deductable)
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Posted: 8/20/2008 6:38:31 AM |
Imports Crude Oil and Petroleum Products 12,257 Barrels per day 08/08
Imported Crude Oil (Excluding SPR) 9,655 Barrels per day 08/08
I thought the we were not to be purchasing the most expensive oil in history to store ????
Exports Crude Oil and Petroleum Products 1,501 Barrels per day 08/08
May-08 thousands of barrels Monthly exported....
Argentina 1,303
Australia 128
Belgium 937
Brazil 1,043
Canada 7,324
China 909
France 1,050
Germany 463
Italy 1,434
Netherlands 2,551
Netherlands/Antilles 1,120
Spain 2,018
United Kingdom 910
Refinery Inputs and Utilization
Gross Inputs 15,124 Barrels per day 08/08
Operable (Barrels per Calendar Day) 17,593,847
Refinery capacity 85.90%
These numbers are quite misleading & dont work in this arguement.
THESE ARE REFINERY NUMBERS. We "import' oil as a 3rd party for the above list of nations(they essentially bought it on the market), refine THEIR oil, then ship THEIR finished product back to them, much the same way you buy an American product that is assembled in Mexico.
The main reason is that they have no refinery capability, or not enough to meed their fuel needs.
Always remember, crude oil is quite usless until it's refined. We have the capacity to custom refine other countries' crude oil & as a result oil companies make profit from this type of import/export transaction, much the same as selling US goods abroad.
Big oil is providing a service, & a very profitible one at that. That ALONE should be enough arguement to build more refineries. It's an exportable industry & it actually helps the trade deficit. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2008 6:46:21 AM | Sorry Neopol the numbers aren't misleading at all. Jack's point was exactly that we export over a million barrels a month of OUR home drilled crude oil sold to other nations. The false arguement he was refuting was that if more drilling was done here the oil companies would sell the cheaper domestic oil here. The reality is that they would sell the cheaper oil at market prices outside the US to maximize their profit.
Refining is a totally different number and far exceeds the 1million barrel mark. Exxon being the largest refiner in the world. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2008 6:56:15 AM |
As usual Charles, you're setting up the typical liberal smoke and mirrors to shift the focus from the ineffective leadership of the Democratic Party.
Typical use of labeling instead of actually dealing with substantive argument. Don't like what a person has to say? Call them a liberal, turn off brain.
The topic of discussion is not the Senate and it's record from some 8+ months ago, or Harry Reid’s complete lack of leadership.
The record was set 8 months ago, many more bills have been filibustered since then. The republicans have intentionally paralyzed government.
The topic is the House of Representatives and the issue of what will soon become the biggest financial crisis in American History and the lack of understanding by Nancy Pelosi that the citizens of the United States are suffering because the only thing she can lead us to is a renovation of the house gym, a revamp of the cafeteria menu, and vacations...
Once again a criticism without substance. Offshore drilling takes years to come into effect. The environmental effects are far more immediate. If you wanted to deal with the current oil crisis you would have had to open up off shore drilling years ago. Perhaps when Republicans had control of all three branches of government?
The reason Republicans have paralyzed government is they are well aware the reaction of uneducated American voters (not to say they're all uneducated) they realize that many people don't understand their own government system, and how the Republicans have effectively stalled any effective action over the last 2 years. In effect, they're crippling the current government in order to increase their chances of winning by running against a crippled government. It's a brilliant tactic, except it makes the American people suffer in the mean time as the government is unable to deal with crisis as they exist now. | |
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/20/2008 7:16:30 AM | In the House to move legislation forward with out endless debate, re- reading and re-reading of the law, or addition of amendments...... Poison Pills..... a de-facto filibuster.
You need 2/3 support.
NO UP OR DOWN from the GOP unless they want press coverage....
Partisan differences over drilling block airline-backed energy plans
Phoenix Business Journal - by Mike Sunnucks
Partisan divisions and maneuvers have stymied two federal plans aimed at easing high gasoline and crude oil prices.
A proposal backed by the airline industry to release oil from the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve failed to get enough votes in the U.S. House of Representatives Thursday and a filibuster is blocking movement on a Senate bill aimed at putting some stops on oil price speculation.
In the House, the SPR plan failed to get two-third approval with Republicans (including Arizona's four GOP congressman) opposing. The state's four Democratic congressional members voted for the measure. But House Democrats required two-thirds approval instead of majority approval because they worried Republicans would add on provisions for new domestic offshore drilling and drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska. That could have passed with a majority vote and Democratic House leadership opposes ANWR and offshore drilling.
The House vote was 268-157, falling short of the two-thirds requirement.
The Air Transport Association airline industry group backed the oil reserve release plan and was disappointed by the partisan gridlock.
"We sincerely hope that Congress can put aside its partisan differences and agree on a comprehensive package before recessing for the summer," said ATA chief executive James May.
ATA members include major U.S. airlines including Tempe-based US Airways Group Inc. (NYSE: LCC). | |
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/20/2008 10:06:39 AM | How about the Pres doing an emergency action??????????
Markey Asks President Bush: Stop U.S. Oil Exports
August 20, 2008 12:37 p.m. EST
Kris Alingod - AHN News Writer
Washington, D.C. (AHN) - Rep. Edward Markey (D-MA), chair of the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming, is not following Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (D-CA) emerging support for offshore drilling. The senior Democrat is asking the White House to end all exports of U.S. oil in order to stem rising gas prices.
In a letter to President George W. Bush on Tuesday, Markey said stopping exports of American petroleum products would increase domestic supply by nearly 10 percent of the nation's daily oil consumption.
The United States consumes 20 million barrels of oil a day.
Markey said U.S. oil exports increased 1.433 million barrels a day last year to 1.806 million barrels in May. The nation's exports of petroleum products also rose to the highest level in history in February.
Markey, the third longest-serving member of Congress from New England, stood firm on his opposition against offshore drilling and told the President that the Energy Department projects offshore drilling, at its height in 2030, would produce only 200,000 barrels per day or one-ninth of current U.S. oil exports.
"I am writing you to urge you to determine whether you have authority to take action... if not, to work with Congress to give the Executive Branch authority to protect America's vital resources," the congressman wrote. "It is unacceptable to allow our domestically produced oil to be exported in such large quantities... You must step forward to protect American consumers."
The letter comes as House Republicans began their fourth week of protest against Pelosi's refusal to hold an emergency session and allow a vote on offshore drilling.
The floor protest has garnered much media attention since it began Aug. 1, the same day Congress adjourned for the summer recess.
Pelosi indicated a softening of her opposition to expanding coastal exploration over the weekend when she said during the weekly Democratic radio address that Democrats will introduce legislation allowing drilling in some portions of the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS)after Congress resumes session next month. The bill will have " appropriate safeguards" and no "taxpayer subsidies to Big Oil,'' she said.
Pelosi had called arguments that expanding offshore drilling would decrease rising energy costs a "hoax," since drilling would "save Americans only 2 cents 10 years from now." She wants the government to release oil from the Strategic Oil Reserve in the short-term and for oil companies to first explore the 68 million acres of land already leased to them.
Republicans want to end to the moratorium on exploration in the OCS and Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge have introduced the American Energy Act, a plan that includes tapping oil shales and promoting renewable fuels. Proponents have dubbed it an "all of the above" approach, partly to deride Democratic efforts that depend heavily on using alternative energy sources.
Based on recent numbers we export over 10% of our oil.......
How about the Oil Boys in the House take up this issue???
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| The lights were turned off but some lawmakers wouldn't leave Aug. 1st, 2008
Posted: 8/20/2008 10:29:50 AM | Charles my friend....
Once again a criticism without substance. Offshore drilling takes years to come into effect. The environmental effects are far more immediate. If you wanted to deal with the current oil crisis you would have had to open up off shore drilling years ago. Perhaps when Republicans had control of all three branches of government? The criticism was about your introduction of Senate issues into a discussion about the House of Representatives. It doesn’t matter how you twist it, actions of the Senate 8 months ago have absolutely nothing to do with the events in the House on August 1st.
It may very well be years before any oil actually makes its way into our gas tanks, but there will be an immediate effect on the oil futures aspect of it which will push the current price down....
The reason Republicans have paralyzed government is they are well aware the reaction of uneducated American voters (not to say they're all uneducated) they realize that many people don't understand their own government system, and how the Republicans have effectively stalled any effective action over the last 2 years. In effect, they're crippling the current government in order to increase their chances of winning by running against a crippled government. It's a brilliant tactic, except it makes the American people suffer in the mean time as the government is unable to deal with crisis as they exist now. Paralyzed by Republicans? The Democrats hold the majority, last time I checked they set the standard for legislation. I don't think it's the Republican Party who doesn't understand the process, they seem to be able to pass almost everything they put forward ... amazing how minority driven legislation rolls right over top of the majority party, yet the majority can't seem to get anything meaningful changed at all, unless you count cafeteria menus as meaningful.....
Jack….
In the House to move legislation forward with out endless debate, re- reading and re-reading of the law, or addition of amendments...... Poison Pills..... a de-facto filibuster.
You need 2/3 support.
NO UP OR DOWN from the GOP unless they want press coverage.... It takes a two thirds vote to override a Presidential Veto, it does NOT take anything more than a simple majority vote to pass any legislation UNLESS Pelosi says so. That’s no different than a 4 year old throwing a temper tantrum because he (or she) can’t have everything their way….
What we have is Democratic Leadership that is afraid to do what they promised during the campaigns of 2006, and that is to change the way Washington is run. The approach they're taking is quite transparent; if they don't have absolute power then they are absolutely ineffectual. That's not leadership and that’s not the way the system is supposed to work, but then again, it does seem that blaming that ineffectiveness and absence of leadership on Republicans has become the platform for the Democratic Party over the past 20+ years.....
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