| | When Horrible Things Happen to Decent PeoplePage 2 of 2 (1, 2) | Sorry for your friend and anyone else who has to deal with crap like this. In my opinion it simply comes down to statistics. Whether we're a "good decent individual" or a "complete and utter scumbag", is irrelevant. Disease strikes whenever and whoever is next on the list, be it genetic, environmental or just plain bad luck and there's no rhyme or reason to it.
I hope your friend recovers. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 4:05:30 AM | My deepest condolences Romantic.
I believe that God's Covenant with us as humans is rather unique. We actually have free-will. For this to work, God has promised to keep "hands-off". So we have all we need frem God, but not further intervention, either for good or for ill. I believe God watches and is happy or saddened to see what happens, but sticks to the promise.
This is what I believe as well. And I would softly add that I believe our free will can help in healing as well.
Probably not much of a help, but in my belief system, we choose life circumstances prior to our birth. Something about karma; mine, and the people around me as well who are also affected by my life circumstances.
Peace and courage to you and your friend, Raven | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 11:17:51 AM | It is very difficult when a loved one is going through such a traumatic illness, accident, etc. What I have learned in the past few years has given me much comfort. I have always believed in God but am not religious. But, I never could understand why God would let little children suffer horrible events or diseases. I had a great-nephew who died of a brain tumor at 5 years old. Why would God let something like that happen? Finally someone gave me an answer that I could believe in. It helped me immensely because it made sense, to me at least.
Before our spirit becomes human, it decides the lessons that it needs to or wants to learn. The lessons might come to us over and over in different ways until we learn what we need. Some people learn a particular lesson and some don't. Sometimes a spirit decides to help others learn their lessons by taking on a situation, illness, etc. so that those who love us can learn the lessons they need to learn. My great-nephew's spirit loved his parents so much he took on that particular role to help his parent's spirits learn and grow. His mother did learn and is doing well but his father did not and has not learned and so has become very bitter and angry at life.
That is a simplified explanation. I also believe that Everything happens for a reason. In fact, there's a book called "Everything Happens for a Reason" that is very interesting. The author found that there are 10 main reasons for things that happen. She also states that "The good that comes out of bad things that happen to you is to help you become your best, most authentic self."
Take what works for you and leave the rest!
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Posted: 8/6/2008 3:45:34 PM | If not the ones we love, then who? The ones we don't love?
But what if that person is loved by someone?
Do we keep passing it on until we end up giving it to someone no one loves?
Did not Jesus say in Matt 5:45 . . . your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 7:24:06 PM |
Given the limitations you have placed on any replies there can only be one verdict:
Bad luck/karma.
Limitations? The Op is simply trying to steer the course of this thread to our opinion in why bad things happen to good people, and for some respect to be shown to all schools of thought.
As for Karma being the reason, for bad things happening to good people ? Bit ironic if bad Karma is happening to " good " people. Kind of defeats the definition of Karma I think. Hard to believe that all kids who contract Leukemia , all the victims of Pol Pot for example, somehow deserved it .
There is scientific evidence that hanging on to old angers and hurts can increase the odds of having a deadly disease, such as cancer or heart disease. Bad people don't feel guilt or remorse or have a lower self-esteem because someone betrays them. Bad people react when they are hurt, take vengeance and are done with it. Bad people may be angry a lot, but it is generally new anger, not stuff they held onto and let fester over the years. Good people get used, abused, and walked on. Good people trust and get betrayed. Good people suffer the sins of others.
Hereshecomesagain makes a very good point I think. Have noticed that Cheaters for example, seem to fare much better than the spouse they betrayed did. But then it is much easier to feel a bit guilty, seek forgiveness and carry on than it is for the spouse who was betrayed to grant forgiveness, heal themselves of the hurt and pain.
Very good point she has made I think. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 8:09:35 PM | This is also something I have wondered about over the years, I suppose everyone has. I've had a few different thoughts on it. One of them came after a sermon about heaven. The pastor asked if we all wanted to go there. Of course that is what all Christians hope for. He talked about how perfect we imagine heaven to be... and then talked about how noone really wants to go there today! I should imagine it would be a place we should be excited to go!
So, with that thought, maybe God doesn't think its a mean or bad thing to take us home.
I also believe that all temporary situations on earth are incomparable and miniscule compared to the wonder of heaven.
I've also wondered if the pain of a death from cancer gives some people a chance to come to God before they die. I would imagine it might be the first time some people have prayed and acknowledged that only God is in control of their lives.
And since I think of God like a father (aka parent) I wonder if sometimes bad things happen to good people (not cancer) because he lets us learn our lessons on our own through our free will. Just as we allow our kids to learn some painful lessons on their own.
Romantico, I hope your friend finds peace through this ordeal, I am sure this has been a devastating diagnosis. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 8:45:11 PM | Bad things happen to nice people because we live in an indifferent universe. Humans unfortunately are both arrogant and needy.
I would expect nothing less when in the middle ages the Catholic church thought earth was the center of the universe. Why? Because human beings are arrogant enough to actually think the universe with stars that are 14 billion light years away was created just with humanity in mind. Ridiculous!They like to think there is some celestial super hero looking out for them but it's utter nonsense. Humans need to face reality, grow up emotionally and drop the religious nonsense.
You can pray 24/7 and 365 days a year and awful things will still happen to your loved ones because there is no one home up there in the sky. Man created god, not the other way around.
Human beings are perversely intelligent: they can put a man on the moon and land spacecrafts on Mars and still believe that a guy named jesus was born of a virgin, performed miracles and died for all our sins.
Humanity both scares and worries me. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 8:46:33 PM | Sorry to hear about your dear friend...
I do not believe that it happens to just good people,it happens to everyone,we cannot control death,its this life,it happens...young and old...stay strong and no matter what happens,for as long as you live you can carry your special friend in your heart and that keeps their spirit alive.. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2008 1:34:21 PM | Those who lie, steal, cheat, pull scams, etc, always seem to prosper....until Karma catches up with them somewhere along the line. Also, bad things DO happen to them...and many people think "Serves the fekker right." But...often they don't go around advertising the fact that they had/have something going wrong in their lives. It would not add to their "lifestyle" or their gameplan in order to get ahead...so they try to hide these things, or whitewash them. Or work them into a scam to get further ahead...such as having a doctor order exercise for them, and they have a pool put in which gets written off on their taxes as a necessary health item...which used to happen...don't know if that scam can still be used though...more likely the hot-tub or jet tub would be used.
Anyways...sure, bad things happen to bad people too. Often a shorter lifespan...ask any gang member over 40 as to how many "friends" they've lost. That's if you can find one that age that isn't in jail!
Anyways...hopefully things will go ok with your friend. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2008 2:06:25 PM | Perhaps and this is just my thoughts, perhaps we hear about the good people getting ill or having horrible things happen to them because they are the people we value and talk about. Isn't is awful that.... etc. Therefore it seems that it is happening to the good in a disproportional amount. We don't talk about the selfish or unpopular person getting ill because, well they don't have the friends to support and care about them. Perhaps then the result is that althought the good people suffer, they do so with love and support while the non good suffer equally alone.
Just a thought.
My best wishes to you and your friend.x | |
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