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Posted: 8/23/2009 3:56:16 PM | Amazed:
maybe it is dealing with u that has him in problem land
LC is a readily available compound that has been used for several decades and if the person is bipolar it works and works well. Try 2 understand -- the disorder is not a psychological issue but a morphological, physiological, and anatomical issue.
If a person is BP then lithium works. If your ex or whoever he is has that many medications he is being malpracticed upon if he has BP or else he does not have the disorder.
BP is like PTSD -- for a long time it was consideed to be a "syndrome" when in fact it has a morphological origin.
PTSD for example was considered to be a result of one's inability to adjust to trauma but it has been learned that PTSD results from CHANGES in the brain stem and cerbral cortex that can be detected with a CT scan. Luckily some peope had CT's before a trauma and then later had a CT for diagnostic purposes and it was discovered that their brain stem and cortex had enlared hypersensitive areas.
For the sake of veterans returning from overseas this has been a real boon and much of the current research focuses upon BP and PTSD in returning veterans. Care to make fun of them too? All they did was go overseas (since no one here volunteered for military sevice or overseas duty) and have to kill people and watch friends being killed.
what a hoot -- betcha have a laff on that one huh?
anyway -- LC is being used to help treat BP especially when coupled with PTSD with amazing results.
BP is now undertsood as being the reult of morphology i.e. from trauma, closed head injuries, etc., so if your ex has such problems then he needs a 2d and 3d opinion becaase something is worng
The real Q is WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU THAT YOU WOULD MAKE FUN OF HIM OR ANYONE WITH SUCH A PROBLEM.
therapy -- think therapy.
4 U!!
BTW in addition to the ones listed by someone in a post above Sam Houston was bipolar -- all he did was defeat Mexico and create the Republic of Texas but I guess that counts litle.  
And don't forget George Patton -- hit his head in 1938 playing polo and had a CHI and developed BP but was germany's worst nightmare-- the germans feared him so much that they held units in reserve after D-Day in case Patton took charge. Zany, yes, but BP due to head trauma and highly effective in his work.
Ask Rommel. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2009 11:55:47 AM | People often blame bipolar as a reason for BAD Behavior. Each person has different upbringing, and personalities. Just because someone does bad things does not make it because of a mental health issue. Even if the person didn't suffer from it they would still have bad behavior. It doesn't make one drink alcohol nor do drugs nor cause them to mistreat others. Usually bipolar is severe depression, sadness, suicidal idiation, sleeping alot- to -exhileration, very happy, full of energy, no worries. unable to sleep. This can be different for each person. But it is NOT the reason for people to be controlling, manupulative or treating people badly.
It is sad that people still do not understand mental health issues in this 21st century.
I will just say that medications do not cure nor will it change a person that is selfish or those ways you describe. It can help the extreme severe lows of depression and the extreme highs, but it won't make a person BE NICE! or change a selfish personality or even a violent personality into a nice person. There is great amount of violence, bad behavior, selfishness, manipulation by people, this does not make them bipolar or mentally ill. IF so, most of our society would be labeled with mental illness of bipolar.
I would just say, look beyond the excuses and the person needs to be held responsible for behaving badly, don't blame it on medication or mental illness always, as such is just not the case. | |
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| she has been diagnosed with bipolarism
Posted: 8/27/2009 12:03:04 PM | this is not really about her...it is about your father.
We all have free will, He is choosing to do as she says without regard to how it affects his child.
A woman to warm his bed keeps him from responding the way he should.
You can do nothing but stay off the tracks of this train wreck. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2009 12:05:32 PM | After reading alot of the comments it is obvious that many people do not know about Bi-polar. Delusions and other things are not typical bi-polar, that is a whole other illness. Some can have muliple illnesses which means they can be bi-polar but have other mental illness such as delilusional personality disorder and such. Basic bi-polar is not what many describe.
Before labeling one needs to read up on this. It does not make a person mean, cruel, behave manipulative, or abusive, sometimes people are just that way even if not bi-polar. They just have a bad personality. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 12:27:51 PM | http://bipolar.about.com/cs/brainchemistry/a/0009_kindling1.htm
The "Kindling" Model in Bipolar Disorder
By Kimberly Read & Marcia Purse, About.com
Updated: December 04, 2006
If a bipolar person goes untreated for a period of years, could he or she begin to experience rapid cycling, or become treatment-resistant? If stressors initially set off episodes, in time could episodes appear without any such triggers? Research says the answer to all these questions is yes, and the reason may be a process that has been termed "kindling."
The phenomenon of kindling in epilepsy was first discovered by accident by researcher Graham Goddard in 1967. Goddard was studying the learning process in rats, and part of his studies included electrical stimulation of the rats' brains at a very low intensity, too low to cause any type of convulsing. What he found was that after a couple of weeks of this treatment, the rats did experience convulsions when the stimulation was applied. Their brains had become sensitized to electricity, and even months later, one of these rats would convulse when stimulated (History, 1998). Goddard and others later demonstrated that it was possible to induce kindling chemically as well (Hargreaves, 1996.)
The name "kindling" was chosen because the process was likened to a log fire. The log itself, while it might be suitable fuel for a fire, is very hard to set afire in the first place. But surround it by smaller, easy to light pieces of wood - kindling - and set these blazing, and soon the log itself will catch fire. Dr. Robert M. Post of the National Institute of Mental Health (USA) is credited with first applying the kindling model to bipolar disorder (NARSAD)...
It always amazes me when someone acts like they know that one medication is effective for everyone and just taking one pill is a cure. We aren't talking about an infection that just requires an antibiotic. We are talking about a medical condition that involves the brain and the workings of it. There is never one pill fits all for mental illness. | |
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| she has been diagnosed with bipolarism
Posted: 8/28/2009 12:36:36 PM | Awww...ANOTHER one bipolar? Man, they're dropping like flies.
A former buddy of mine has bipolarism, and I always knew he was secretive, paranoid and socially inept, but, when I "challenged" him on his awful behavior toward his GF, he really jumped down my throat. We haven't spoken in over 2 years, even after I left him a phone message apologizing for losing my temper (I wonder if I have the condition myself). His GF and I speak (as friends). She kicks him out of the house for being lazy and antagonistic every 6 months or so, then takes him back within 2 months. He's very caring and charismatic...when he wants to be.
I agree, your dad shouldn't marry her, but life is full of tough choices, and, when it comes to contact with his only daughter or his libido, he'll probably choose his libido (these BPs are hyper-sexual).
Yep, the only thing you can do is step back. If his life is meant to be ruined, let it happen. Just tell him you'll always love him but you won't be there to help him pick up the pieces. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 5:31:52 PM | ammazzed....
If a bipolar person goes untreated for a period of years, could he or she begin to experience rapid cycling, or become treatment-resistant? If stressors initially set off episodes, in time could episodes appear without any such triggers? Research says the answer to all these questions is yes, and the reason may be a process that has been termed "kindling."
The phenomenon of kindling in epilepsy was first discovered by accident by researcher Graham Goddard in 1967. Goddard was studying the learning process in rats, and part of his studies included electrical stimulation of the rats' brains at a very low intensity, too low to cause any type of convulsing. What he found was that after a couple of weeks of this treatment, the rats did experience convulsions when the stimulation was applied. Their brains had become sensitized to electricity, and even months later, one of these rats would convulse when stimulated (History, 1998). Goddard and others later demonstrated that it was possible to induce kindling chemically as well (Hargreaves, 1996.)
The name "kindling" was chosen because the process was likened to a log fire. The log itself, while it might be suitable fuel for a fire, is very hard to set afire in the first place. But surround it by smaller, easy to light pieces of wood - kindling - and set these blazing, and soon the log itself will catch fire. Dr. Robert M. Post of the National Institute of Mental Health (USA) is credited with first applying the kindling model to bipolar disorder (NARSAD)...
Sounds kinda like how PTSD works to me......
It always amazes me when someone acts like they know that one medication is effective for everyone and just taking one pill is a cure. We aren't talking about an infection that just requires an antibiotic. We are talking about a medical condition that involves the brain and the workings of it. There is never one pill fits all for mental illness.
"The ancient Greeks and Romans coined the terms “mania” and “melancholia” and used waters of northern Italian spas to treat agitated or euphoric patients—and in a forecast of things to come—believed that lithium salts were absorbed into the body as a naturally occurring mineral."
I can find lots more references like the one above, if you like.....lithium has been used for centuries to alleviate "mania" and "melancholia".....this is not ONE person's opinion. Lithium is not a CURE for anything, but a large percentage of bipolar people, rely on it to stabilize their mood, and as far as I know, it is STILL the first line defence used by the medical community. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 5:40:45 PM | I can find lots more references like the one above, if you like.....lithium has been used for centuries to alleviate "mania" and "melancholia".....this is not ONE person's opinion. Lithium is not a CURE for anything, but a large percentage of bipolar people, rely on it to stabilize their mood, and as far as I know, it is STILL the first line defence used by the medical community. Please do check out the link and read about manic depression NOT EVERYONE can be effectively treated and not have episodes. Just because it is the first medication, doesn't mean it will work. The OP has to realize this woman is the only one that can help herself. Do I care what medications work for someone? Nopers. If it works for someone, great. I know the people I have met. I know what I have read and what I have lived through. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 6:30:20 PM | I don't believe that I said that everyone can be treated with lithium. I said that a large PERCENTAGE of people with bipolar disorder have success with lithium. As with anything in life, nothing is GUARANTEED. If there are other factors involved, or if the person cannot take lithium for some reason, then other avenues are pursued.
inflated self-esteem or grandiosity
decreased need for sleep (e.g., feels rested after only 3 hours of sleep)
more talkative than usual or pressure to keep talking
flight of ideas or subjective experience that thoughts are racing
distractibility (i.e., attention too easily drawn to unimportant or irrelevant external stimuli)
increase in goal-directed activity (either socially, at work or school, or sexually) or psychomotor agitation
excessive involvement in pleasurable activities that have a high potential for painful consequences (e.g., engaging in unrestrained buying sprees, sexual indiscretions, or foolish business investments)
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frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. Note: Do not include suicidal or self-mutilating behavior covered in Criterion 5. 2. a pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.
3. identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
4. impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating). Note: Do not include suicidal or self-mutilating behavior covered in Criterion 5.
5. recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behavior
6. affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).
7. chronic feelings of emptiness
8. inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights)
9. transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms
Above, are criteria for two mental "disorders". The first set is bipolar "mania". The second is "borderline personality disorder". If the people you have met are not being effectively treated, and still have "episodes", and if they ARE taking their medication properly....chances are, they have been misdiagnosed....bipolar, and borderline personality disorder are frequently mixed up. | |
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Posted: 8/29/2009 5:31:51 PM | There are many violent people out there and most commiting violence are not bi-polar
Why do we have 4 out of every 5 women abused in this country? Mental illness? That many men are mentally ill? Some people are just mean and bad, has nothing to do with the issue. | |
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Posted: 8/29/2009 5:33:41 PM |
There are many violent people out there and most commiting violence are not bi-polar
Why do we have 4 out of every 5 women abused in this country? Mental illness? That many men are mentally ill? Some people are just mean and bad, has nothing to do with the issue
Bingo!
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Posted: 8/29/2009 9:33:40 PM | UPDATE:
i really didnt think this post would stay before the 5th page, thanks for all the replies
alot of it was helpful
as for my issues with my dad ,a little communication goes along way and our relationship has dramatically improved since then
as for step-mother, i am cordial and try my very best to be polite and i stay out of her hair and when she occasionaly gets out of line with her presumptions i call her out on it , i use to not say a word but being passive-aggressive is never good , since then i feel alot more at ease instead of wanting to hit her with a shovel ( i know that sounds bad go ahead and quote and unquote)
i guess my aunt recently had a conversation with her about me and said we need to work out our differences
and i guess she said '' ur right , i dotn kno why but we just have a hate relationship", (which im not quite sure what that means)
i think sometimes ppl just dont get along and for the sake of ppl you love your just gonna have to grit you teeth and bare it
all i know is shes my dads wife and at their wedding i personally came up to her and gave her a hug and said i was happy for both of them( at the time i was, my dad was glowing and looked extremely happy at the wedding) , as for her mental health its gonna take time , it can take years of combination of different meds to find what works for you , it really can take quite a while
she's not all bad all the time, she can be sweet,understanding ,generous and even fun to be around ..when shes not throwing pricey electronics and chairs
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Posted: 8/29/2009 10:37:49 PM | Sounds like you are taking the high road and hopefully you won't have to pick your father up off the floor...ie that their relationship goes smoothly.
And because I feel I was attacked on here and like I said, I know what my ex is like. My almost 18 year old son had a talk with the ex today. Apparently the latest meds aren't working either. He was ready to kill himself this week. He has been married to his current wife since April. As I don't speak to him at all, yeah, I'd have to say that he has some real problems mentally/chemically and I really don't know at 60 they will ever be resolved. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2009 12:02:05 PM | And because I feel I was attacked on here and like I said, I know what my ex is like. My almost 18 year old son had a talk with the ex today. Apparently the latest meds aren't working either. He was ready to kill himself this week. He has been married to his current wife since April. As I don't speak to him at all, yeah, I'd have to say that he has some real problems mentally/chemically and I really don't know at 60 they will ever be resolved.
I don't believe that anyone has attacked you, ammazzed....what I personally have been trying to say, is that your ex doesn't fit the "bipolar" diagnosis. From your posts, my personal guess would be Borderline Personality Disorder. Even if your ex has been diagnosed "bipolar", I think he's been misdiagnosed. Being both BP, and BPD myself, taking what you said in your last post....suicidal, and "latest meds aren't working" says BPD not bipolar.
Bipolar individuals get a bad rap by being "lumped" together with BPD individuals. BPD is a more "serious" disorder, in that it deals with the personality, not moods.
Both BP, and BPD.....from the outside, may look the same. On the inside, they are totally different.
I'm not disqualifying bipolar as being a walk in the park....far from it. However, there are a multitude of bipolar people who accept, and take responsibility for their disorder. | |
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| she has been diagnosed with bipolarism
Posted: 8/30/2009 12:26:05 PM | Bipolar is just what another poster said, it is mood swings from high to low. When they are on a high period they will be full of energy, but when they are in a low period they have trouble sleeping, getting off the couch, and even have thoughts of suicide. I know because a long time friend of mine has it. He has even called the police on himself due to suicidal thoughts. He does NOT behave in the manner you describe. Bipolar people are NOT delusional, that is a different disorder. There are many people here giving you incorrect information. It is not unusual, though, for a person to have more than one mental illness. When the biochemistry of the brain is screwed up it can manifest itself in many ways. Diagnosis of these disorders is often difficult, and doctors often get it wrong. It took my friend years (decades even) to finally be properly diagnosed. Then it took a couple more years to find the correct medication that worked for him. I strongly recommend you do some research on this topic. There are a lot of good sites on the internet that deal with mental illness.
I can't explain your father's relationship with this woman other than to say that there is something in it that works for him. Maybe he feels he can 'rescue' her? What I do know is that you can't fix it. The best you can do is try to have a good relationship with your father away from this woman. Visit him when she's not around if you can, and don't stoop to badmouthing her no matter how she treats you (or how tempting it is). | |
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| she has been diagnosed with bipolarism
Posted: 8/30/2009 1:22:19 PM | Quazi 100 look at the first post on this page...gahhhh
Quazi, unless you are his physicians, don't think you can diagnose him or anyone. Look up kindling. Honestly it happens. The wiring gets used to the episodes. I watched them come faster and faster. I started keeping track on a calendar. His diagnosis is dead on with his symptoms. BUT NOT EVERYONE CAN GET BENEFIT FROM ONE DRUG OR ONE METHOD OF TREATMENT. This isn't a one size fits all. Mental illness can't get an antibiotic and a band-aid and be all better. It takes many meds and trial and error for many people. I don't even want to go into people that are in inpatient facilities.
Arm chair POF doctors, don't need it repeated to me...reallllly don't care, not involved with him, not married to him, and don't even talk to him. Advice given to the OP to be there for her father. Arm chair POF doctors can have my bloody tee shirt. I don't need or want it. I have a man in my life that is sane. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2009 4:52:17 PM | ammazzed....
Yes, the first poster was rude to you.
I looked up kindling. I believe that it happens....alot.
I actually read the article that you quoted from. Without prejudice, the article appeared to be about getting diagnosed early, before "kindling" made the bipolar disorder harder to manage. A more severe degree of disorder is always going to be more difficult to manage, that goes without saying.
I also realize that not everyone can get benefit from one drug, or one method of treatment.
Drugs, and treatment methods are only part of the equation...they can only do so much. The bipolar individual has to want to get better (truly), or all the medication, and therapy in the world won't "do it" for them. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 9:52:46 PM | Im interested in learning about this kindling ammazzed.. I went manic back in 2007 and havent had another episode since. Ive reduced stressful triggers and though im not against drug treatment, ive been managing fine without any drug intervention. I can see if i cant handle triggers such as stress than im at a greater potential of being manic again. One doctor ive been following is Dr. Jay Carter and certain things such as getting enough sleep and taking an essential amount of fatty acids are recommended. Personally i think if you manage these triggers that things dont necessarily get worse... Kindling has to be lit before it can burn. My look at it is to control the flame before it can get bigger.
Someone mentioned other than you ammazed bipolar doesnt include delusional thoughts... There are a few different bipolar, bipolar I, II and cyclothemia(i think) . i believe the bipolar I level is mania with levels of psychosis which may include Delusions and Hallucinations. I had some Delusions which i remember clearly of having but didnt hallucinate..(hear voices or see things)
if anyone wants to watch an informative video about bipolar check this out : http://www.bipolarlight.com/index2.html | |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 10:08:23 PM | The only thing I know about it is a friend of mine has it. She's very well adjusted though and admits it is solely due to her medications.
She had to go through a few different meds before the doctors found one that would work on her. Before she told me about that I saw her as moody at times, but never a bad, mean, or dangerous person. I never guessed she was bipolar, and I guess I just attributed her mild moodiness to her monthly visitor.
Her only fear is that if she were ever to lose her insurance and ability to pay for her meds that she would lose what the good life the meds have given her back. She has a really nice boyfriend and has her life together pretty well, better than most, 'stable' people I know. | |
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| she has been diagnosed with bipolarism
Posted: 9/16/2009 9:58:20 AM |
Her only fear is that if she were ever to lose her insurance and ability to pay for her meds that she would lose what the good life the meds have given her back. She has a really nice boyfriend and has her life together pretty well, better than most, 'stable' people I know.
This doesn't surprise me, stafford jim....
Since I have stabilized my moods (for the most part, nothing is ever perfect) I work much harder at everything than I used to.
Especially relationships. I don't take them for granted anymore. They take work, and give and take, and compromise....
I used to think that all I had to do was "show up"......I was wrong....very wrong.... | |
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Posted: 9/16/2009 10:22:40 AM |
Im interested in learning about this kindling ammazzed.. I went manic back in 2007 and havent had another episode since. Ive reduced stressful triggers and though im not against drug treatment, ive been managing fine without any drug intervention. I can see if i cant handle triggers such as stress than im at a greater potential of being manic again.
You haven't mentioned any kind of depressive episode, kewlhand.
The only reason I mention this, is that bipolar has both components...mania, and depression.
If you had a single "manic" episode back in 2007, and haven't had depression, as described in bipolar criteria....your "episode" may have been circumstantially triggered, without any of the chemical involvement of bipolar.
If the above were my circumstances, I wouldn't take medication, either..... | |
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Posted: 9/16/2009 6:04:45 PM |
what a very sad and ignorant attitude
Would you like to reveal who you are referring to, and explain your statement, missmouche?
You obviously believe that you have some knowledge that someone else is misinformed about...... | |
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| she has been diagnosed with bipolarism
Posted: 9/16/2009 7:55:45 PM | I just watched the video that Kewlhand posted a link to, and I have to say, that Dr. Jay's descriptions, and examples are the closest to actually being bipolar that I've seen or read anywhere.....
He has a Doctorate in Psychology, and his advice is sound, and I was surprised to find that I do some of the things he recommends on my own.....like having a "cognitive advisor" for when I'm not sure if my thinking is going south (which can help prevent "kindling")
It's 98 minutes long, but it's worth watching.....
if anyone wants to watch an informative video about bipolar check this out : http://www.bipolarlight.com/index2.html | |
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| she has been diagnosed with bipolarism
Posted: 9/17/2009 3:11:03 AM | Ok if anyone is going to attack me for this, bring it on. I love a good fight. (just kidding)
I guess we can call this my coming out party.
I was diagnosed as bipolar in the mid 80s This was when they were treating it with lithium and there wasn't very much published about the disease.
When I was really sick it was mainly around the time of having babies and when I had periods. I also had endometriosis and was hospitalized several times right after giving birth. I was even jailed once only two weeks after having a baby when that was how they dealt with it. They used to put people in jail until they could be evaluated and they were indeed treated like criminals at that time.
After having my third child didn't alleviate the symptoms of the endometriosis I was given the option of having one more child and breastfeeding or just having a hysterectomy so we opted to try once more and I had my son. Breastfeeding went fine and I was able to keep it up until he was 10 months old, then weening brought on symptoms again. I was hospitalized only for three days, given a pump and meds and sent home. Then had the hysterectomy.
The hysterectomy was a godsend. I was able to ween off the drugs with the help of my doctor and was drug free for over 15 years with no symptoms .
I recently started taking meds again because my doctor decided I was depressed even though I kept telling him I wasn't. The symptoms are starting to come back just like I thought they would. Note: Doctors are in business to make money. I'm not saying they're bad perse' but unless we're sick they don't have a job.
Here's what I was able to glean from all of this.
If you have bipolar or any mental illness it's simply a chemical imbalance in the brain which is in that sense a physical problem. So it's not a character flaw and it's nothing to be ashamed of.
But practically anyone with poor eating habits, relationship issues, and chemical dependancy like coffee, cigarettes, pot or other drugs, pms, menopause, post partum problems, abuse and anything else that can mess with your psyche can also cause a chemical imbalance if not treated.
So I believe a lot of people are misdiagnosed and they should be kept in a controlled environment, given food and vitamins and treated like a human being and observed and not given medication until it's been clearly indicated that they're mentally ill.
If they've been treated for let's say two weeks and still have no symptoms it's safe to say they're ok, and maybe just needed a rest and to get away from whatever was bothering them.
If they have symptoms, I would first rule out hormonal problems, or withdrawal from whatever they were on and then and only then give them therapy for a mental illness and medication if they're severe enough.
If someone isn't mentally ill and they're given medication for someone who is they can start to show the same symptoms. It's only common sense. | |
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