online dating service
REGISTER | MAIL/PROFILE | HELP | NOW ONLINE | SEARCH | RATING | FORUMS | SUCCESS STORIES

 

Plentyoffish dating forums are a place to meet singles and get dating advice or share dating experiences etc. Hopefully you will all have fun meeting singles and try out this online dating thing... Remember that we are the largest 100% free online dating service, so you will never have to pay a dime to meet your soulmate.
     
Show ALL Forums  > Politics  > Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it ha      Mod Threads Home login  
Page 15 of 16 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16
 Author Thread: Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
 EarlzP

Joined: 12/9/2007
Msg: 351
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 7/30/2009 8:46:32 PM

Since 2006 the liberals have had the marbles (House and Senate domination) and the economy started going down the tubes after that. You know it and I know it. Look at the threads on these very forums. Many still don't want anything done about it. When it is an obvious problem, they say it's not.


Same BS and it still does not fly the repubs were in control for the six years leading up to 2006 and did nothing and for the next two years had veto power sitting in the White House all the dems could do is diaster control until the elections and lead by Nancy Pelosi they did a great job
 Ready4SomethingFun

Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 352
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 7/30/2009 10:00:53 PM
Okay, fine, have it your way. The republicans refused to do anything. But have you read far back enough in the thread to see the reasons why? Such as ALCU lawsuits and protests. Have you read back far enough to see why it needs to be taken care of by somebody? They are contributing to our jobless rates, our healthcare costs, our crime rate, our tax bills, our lack of an economy and any other number of ills in our country right now.

So without playing the "your party didn't do jack on this issue" card, be honest and answer the following:

Under the circumstances we face post election, do you think this party in charge right now should do something about it or should they keep it status quo?

I'll be honest, I'd really gain some serious respect for your party if they did.
 EarlzP

Joined: 12/9/2007
Msg: 353
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 7/31/2009 1:43:51 AM

I'll be honest, I'd really gain some serious respect for your party if they did.


Get ready because I am fairly sure that illegal immigration is next on President Obama's agenda
 tranquilo123

Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 354
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 7/31/2009 3:52:08 PM

even a coward should be able to see the problem here ..


And even a coward should be able to see that the employers who hire the "illegal" aliens are the same employers who don't hire our kids because they would have to pay them at least the minimum wage.

Even a coward should be able to understand that the corporations export the jobs so that they don't have to hire people here. They make more money if they hire cheap labor abroad, or "illegal" aliens here. Either way, the corporate world that the cowards don't like to confront isn't very willing to pay higher wages when they aren't forced to do so. Your hope of "makeing(sic) more money" is just that: a hope!

Only the cowards, those that aren't willing to confront those who profit from this system, will continue scapegoating the people who aren't able to defend themselves.
 Ready4SomethingFun

Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 355
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 7/31/2009 4:11:21 PM

Get ready because I am fairly sure that illegal immigration is next on President Obama's agenda


Is it going to be a program to send them back to their countries of origin or a program to give them all amnesty? If it's the former you will see me 100% percent behind our president on it, if it's the later:
 cashu

Joined: 1/25/2009
Msg: 356
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/17/2009 3:47:37 PM
THERE HERE BECAUSE OUR GOVERNMENT is corrupt and on this issue so is OBAMA . he plans to make them all legal . that didn,t work the first time they did it and won,t this time .....our border patrol has been ordered not to stop them again or lose your job. 500,000 crossed since Jan. 1 this year and they get preferential treatment in schools jobs home loans . they can 100%loan to buy farms here and the government well paid for all equipment they need to operate them .but you white folks CAN,T .. act now to stop them don,t let up on the government vote them out if they say they are going to vote for amnesty . when the illegals are gone there are still 15 ,000,000 here legally . and they can ask for permission to migrate here but we really don,t have a big need for illiterates here right now .
 tranquilo123

Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 357
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/17/2009 4:49:35 PM

.....our border patrol has been ordered not to stop them again or lose your job. 500,000 crossed since Jan. 1


Source please when giving out facts! Unless it is an opinion?


and they get preferential treatment in schools jobs home loans . they can 100%loan to buy farms here and the government well paid for all equipment they need to operate them


Same as above, source is needed to determine if this is fact or fiction!


but you white folks CAN,T .. act now to stop them don,t let up on the government vote them out if they say they are going to vote for amnesty . when the illegals are gone there are still 15 ,000,000 here legally . and they can ask for permission to migrate here but we really don,t have a big need for illiterates here right now .


I guess that part is self-explanatory. I know a lot of whites that are illiterate also, and here in this board I have seen a lot of people who can type but they are, for most practical purposes, intellectually illiterate. You just gave us proof!
 Barbe1963

Joined: 9/30/2007
Msg: 358
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/17/2009 4:57:19 PM

Get ready because I am fairly sure that illegal immigration is next on President Obama's agenda


So Earl, do you know what his plan is for illegal immigration? Frankly I think this should have been at the top of his "to do" list.
 EarlzP

Joined: 12/9/2007
Msg: 359
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/17/2009 5:59:04 PM

So Earl, do you know what his plan is for illegal immigration? Frankly I think this should have been at the top of his "to do" list.


No I don't understand why but he has not consulted me, yet. But I am sure no matter how he wants to deal with illegal immigration the republicans will not support him. Maybe he should do what the republican party did about health care and illegal immigration, nothing
 VVendy

Joined: 6/7/2008
Msg: 360
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/17/2009 7:52:06 PM
I saw a headline about people being upset that Obama is enforcing our immigration laws. I wonder why that surprises people. Don’t people know that the executive branch’s chief responsibility is to enforce the law?
 Ready4SomethingFun

Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 361
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/18/2009 3:05:59 AM

No I don't understand why but he has not consulted me, yet.




I think what was implied there though is, you made the statement in response to my previous post that Obama would be undertaking the illegal immigration problem soon, so you might possibly have some inkling of what his position might be.


But I am sure no matter how he wants to deal with illegal immigration the republicans will not support him.


I can't speak for all republicans, nor do I wish to, but if Obama goes after amnesty you will find me in the thumbs down group, as usual. But if he goes toward border enforcement and deportation you will probably find more dems than republicans on the opposing side. I would be in the cheering section on that move.



Maybe he should do what the republican party did about health care and illegal immigration, nothing


Maybe he will, but, as far as illegal immigration goes, there really wasn't a whole lot of outcry in the public sector until unemployment started rising, which would have been, oh, let's turn back the clock, AFTER the democrats took the majorities in the house and senate in 2006. People usually don't worry too much about stuff until it starts personally affecting them, unfortunetly, and now this is, so now would be the time to act.
 tranquilo123

Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 362
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/18/2009 4:00:20 PM

People usually don't worry too much about stuff until it starts personally affecting them, unfortunetly, and now this is, so now would be the time to act.


Well, it looks like they have been acting:


Armed federal immigration agents have illegally pushed and shoved their way into homes in New York and New Jersey in hundreds of predawn raids that violated their own agency rules as well as the Constitution, according to a study to be released on Wednesday by the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law.

The study by the school’s Immigration Justice Law Clinic, backed by several law enforcement experts including Nassau County’s police commissioner, found a widespread pattern of misconduct by agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement after analyzing 700 arrest reports obtained from the agency through Freedom of Information lawsuits.

The raids were supposed to focus on dangerous criminals, but overwhelmingly netted Latinos with civil immigration violations who happened to be present, the study said. Raiders mistakenly held legal residents and citizens by force in their own homes while agents rummaged through drawers seeking incriminating documents, the report said.

Acting without judicial search warrants, the agents were required to obtain informed consent from a resident before they entered a private residence. But the study found that in 86 percent of the Nassau and Suffolk County arrest reports that it analyzed, and a quarter of the New Jersey cases, no consent was recorded.


By the looks of it their actions are based very much in racism! I hope the Obama administration will change that. People who lack a strong moral character shouldn't be given an incentive to violate people's constitutional rights.
 HalftimeDad

Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 363
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/18/2009 5:05:53 PM
Buddy, you kind of need to learn a new tune.

How many times have you posted this same thing anyway?
 RUMISSINGMEYET

Joined: 7/31/2006
Msg: 364
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/18/2009 5:21:31 PM
Till idiots like you get the message. Me and my Billion dollar corporate friends have pulled out all of our manufacturing assets (and cash assets) and sent them to Asia. We are leaving you people to fend for yourselfs. You better get the big picture soon.
We are going to set on our new homes front porches on the exotic white sand ocean fronts in Asia. And watch you crash and burn what was once our home american dream country.
 geeleebee

Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 365
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/18/2009 5:30:29 PM

Till idiots like you get the message. Me and my Billion dollar corporate friends have pulled out all of our manufacturing assets (and cash assets) and sent them to Asia. We are leaving you people to fend for yourselfs. You better get the big picture soon.
We are going to set on our new homes front porches on the exotic white sand ocean fronts in Asia. And watch you crash and burn what was once our home american dream country.


Oh. Dear.

You do realize, don't you, that your rude remarks are being made to a gentleman from Canada? And that making remarks like that can get you banned?

You just go on and 'set' on your front porch, and leave the rest of us to fend for 'ourselfs'. In the meantime, MY billion-dollar corporate friends are staying right here.
 tranquilo123

Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 366
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/19/2009 8:49:06 AM

Till idiots like you get the message. Me and my Billion dollar corporate friends have pulled out all of our manufacturing assets (and cash assets) and sent them to Asia. We are leaving you people to fend for yourselfs. You better get the big picture soon.
We are going to set on our new homes front porches on the exotic white sand ocean fronts in Asia. And watch you crash and burn what was once our home american dream country.


You are nothung but an ignorant troll!

Either that or, if we are to go by what you are saying, you are one of the traitorous corporate sharks that have exported millions of good paying American jobs to countries where you can more easily exploit the workers by bribing the corrupt government officials?

Explain to us, if you can, what is "the big picture"? Somehow I doubt it that you have what it takes to accomplish that task.

Anyone who has followed this discussion would know that there are different points of view regarding the issue of costs/benefits related to the participation of the "illegal" workers in the USA economy. Any points of view that help us understand the complexities of the issue are welcomed. The posts that are placed in here just to inflame the racial hate, such as your message # 363, belong in the extreme right-wing forums where you extracted it from to cut and paste it here. Most of the links for verification of the information are unavailable, and the ones that are available are the right-wing sites that don't offer any sources for verification of their allegations.

Here is an excerpt of an old article that should give you some idea of both sides on the impact of the "illegal" workers on the USA economy.


Illegal workers: good for U.S. economy
The U.S. has benefited from illegal immigrants, most economists say, though some low-skilled workers have been hurt.
By Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer
May 1, 2006: 3:08 PM EDT

A crackdown in illegal immigration in 2004 caused a shortage of workers needed to bring in the lettuce crop in the Western United States, said Powell, which he said caused a $1 billion loss for the industry as many growers had to leave their fields unharvested.

"To hire Americans to do it, they would have had to raise wages so far, it wouldn't have been worth it for them," said Powell at the Independent Institute. "It caused less of a loss to leave the crop to rot."

As for complaints that many critics of immigration cite - demand for social and government services by immigrants - most economists believe that is outweighed by the increased economic activity, even if some specific school districts or public hospitals struggle with the costs associated serving the immigrant community.


The complete article is available at this link:

http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/01/news/economy/immigration_economy/index.htm
 Ready4SomethingFun

Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 367
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/19/2009 9:06:21 AM

you are one of the traitorous corporate sharks that have exported millions of good paying American jobs to countries where you can more easily exploit the workers by bribing the corrupt government officials


Whoa, slow down with the venom for a sec, and think about it. Our own government by allowing illegal aliens to work here is part of the direct cause of this. If Business A is trying to be legitimate and do things on the up and up, Business B is hiring illegals and paying them 30% to 50% less in wages, then he is going to put Business A OUT of business.
 jack-d-ripper

Joined: 2/25/2008
Msg: 368
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/19/2009 10:45:41 AM
.


Obama has started to enforce laws................. National Guard on Border, to support Border Patrol while they increase their staff......Audit of I-9's...............ICE raids are up...

Who's B!tching............ US Chamber of Commerce ........... These actions do not have the support of congress.... the MONEY lobby groups ....
 tranquilo123

Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 369
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/19/2009 10:48:12 AM
Whoa, slow down with the venom for a sec, and think about it. Our own government by allowing illegal aliens to work here is part of the direct cause of this. If Business A is trying to be legitimate and do things on the up and up, Business B is hiring illegals and paying them 30% to 50% less in wages, then he is going to put Business A OUT of business.


Interesting how one of the loudest proponents of cracking down on the illegal aliens comes out so fast to defend a troll posing as a corporate traitor who exports American jobs overseas!

Let's use the brain muscle here! Are you saying that the blue-collar and white-collar jobs that are being exported by the profit-hungry troglodites are jobs that the "illegal aliens" are performing for other corporations here in the USA? And that is the reason why the corporate traitors are exporting the American jobs to other countries?

Wow, those "illegal aliens," as you call them, must be very fast learners. I just checked this forum and I found that in message # 291, March 2008 you were saying that they weren't able to do much more than labor in agricultural, janitorial and contruction demolition companies.


Illegals don't do much building according to what I read, they do the vegetable picking, janitorial work and in construction are mostly on the demolition and clean up crews. (message # 291)


If now you are saying that the "illegals" took the type of American jobs that the corporations unable to compete here in the USA exported to more friendly shores, then you would have to agree that those "illegals" aren't that illiterate like the brainless post in message # 356 says they are.
 Ready4SomethingFun

Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 370
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/19/2009 11:10:30 AM

Wow, those "illegal aliens," as you call them, must be very fast learners. I just checked this forum and I found that in message # 291, March 2008 you were saying that they weren't able to do much more than labor in agricultural, janitorial and contruction demolition companies.


First off, when did I say they were illiterate? I did say they were mostly doing jobs that "no one else wanted" but that was a reiteration of the line that most pro-illegal proponents use to justify their reason for being here. I have learned many things since this thread was buried for several months and some things have changed. Such as finding out illegals are working in assembly lines and factories. They are working as plumbers and electricians--poorly I might add--most of what I read usually ends with someone having to re-do the cheap or sub-code level of work performed.

I actually did re-read much of this thread since it's reappearance and I don't see myself ever calling them anything other than illegals and felons. But I will admit much has changed since March of 2008, and if you read further into the thread, much of it was acknowledged right in this thread.


Let's use the brain muscle here! Are you saying that the blue-collar and white-collar jobs that are being exported by the profit-hungry troglodites are jobs that the "illegal aliens" are performing for other corporations here in the USA? And that is the reason why the corporate traitors are exporting the American jobs to other countries?


To some extent, yep, I sure am. Not so much white collar, but yes, blue collar. I honestly don't think that many white collar jobs are going overseas, if they are, the ones working those jobs are probably going with them. Unfortunetly, if a comapny wants to stay legal, the overseas move is, but hiring illegals is not.


If now you are saying that the "illegals" took the type of American jobs that the corporations unable to compete here in the USA exported to more friendly shores, then you would have to agree that those "illegals" aren't that illiterate like the brainless post in message # 356 says they are.


Most of this is answered above, and I'm not saying it is a problem across the board, but it does contribute to the problem as do a lot of other factors. The reasons companies move to other countries is: cheaper labor and cheaper taxes. The illegals can be considered a factor in the former and government a factor in the later. Well, government is a factor in both actually.
 tranquilo123

Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 371
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/19/2009 3:33:22 PM

First off, when did I say they were illiterate?


I didn't say that you did, did I? So that won't work to put me in a defensive mood here. I did say:


you would have to agree that those "illegals" aren't that illiterate like the brainless post in message # 356 says they are.


That wasn't your post, so that sentence doesn't refer to your posts. However, I don't hear any voices coming from the right-wing, republican side calling for moderation in the discourse here. Someone has to tell those posters placing messages here only to express their hate that we know better, and that we will expose their ignorance and bad faith.


To some extent, yep, I sure am. Not so much white collar, but yes, blue collar. I honestly don't think that many white collar jobs are going overseas, if they are, the ones working those jobs are probably going with them. Unfortunetly, if a comapny wants to stay legal, the overseas move is, but hiring illegals is not


I hate to break the old news to you, but the off-shoring of American white-collar jobs has been a problem for a long while. It seems to me that you haven't been keeping an eye on the moves of the corporate sharks. Don't be surprised when you call the customer service department for your credit card company, and the person who answers speaks english with a heavy accent. If you ask, you would be surprised to know that you are talking to someone in India, or another country that welcomes the American jobs.

Here is an excerpt from an old article:


U.S. Companies Defend Export of White-Collar Jobs: 'No God-Given Right'
NewsMax.com Wires
Wednesday, Jan. 7, 2004
WASHINGTON – Worried about possible government reaction to the movement of U.S. technology jobs overseas, leading American computer companies are defending recent shifts in employment to Asia and elsewhere as necessary for future profits and warning policy makers against restrictions.
"There is no job that is America's God-given right anymore," said Carly Fiorina, chief executive for Hewlett-Packard Co. "We have to compete for jobs."

In a report released Wednesday, the companies said government efforts to preserve American jobs through limits on overseas trade would backfire and "could lead to retaliation from our trading partners and even an all-out trade war."


The complete article is found at

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/1/7/144142.shtml
 Ready4SomethingFun

Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 372
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/19/2009 3:51:57 PM

So that won't work to put me in a defensive mood here.


Not my modus operandi. I think you are in a defensive mood all throughout this thread, but that is a matter of opinion, I don't try to put anyone on the defensive. We've had too many conversations within this thread for me to start it now. I agree 357 is somewhat a troll post, but there is a smidgen of truth that lies within it.


However, I don't hear any voices coming from the right-wing, republican side calling for moderation in the discourse here. Someone has to tell those posters placing messages here only to express their hate that we know better, and that we will expose their ignorance and bad faith.


No arguement there. If I walk into a thread at post 357 and start an arguement I would expect the same. My only defense of post 357 is it has a few minor truths within in. I think was abundantly clear on the part I agreed with.


I hate to break the old news to you, but the off-shoring of American white-collar jobs has been a problem for a long while. It seems to me that you haven't been keeping an eye on the moves of the corporate sharks. Don't be surprised when you call the customer service department for your credit card company, and the person who answers speaks english with a heavy accent. If you ask, you would be surprised to know that you are talking to someone in India, or another country that welcomes the American jobs.


You are right, I didn't even think about call centers, and I hate them to no end, I was thinking more along the types of office workers and the like. I think we should make companies move them back here and let illegals man them.

Just kidding, I have pretty much stated from the beginning of my joined this thread that we need to get our companies back in this country. But I can bet you about a trillion dollars that you and I will not agree upon the method that it could be done. And that method is to lower the corporate taxes. This gets dems in an instant uproar when I say it, but aren't jobs one of our main concerns right now? Won't the workers be paying taxes? Well, lower corporate taxes is a small price to pay to get jobs to return, but many would rather just have no jobs.
 HalftimeDad

Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 373
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/19/2009 4:40:20 PM
Alright, I'll bite. How would lower corporate taxes bring jobs back?

Seems to me that lower corporate taxes would tend to be an incentive to send more jobs offshore. See, taxes are paid on profits; jobs are sent offshore for lower costs; lower costs means more profits. So, if taxes are set at a higher level, the cost/benefit analysis of off shore jobs includes the extra taxes they would pay - the lower the corporate tax rate the more incentive to build off shore.

And of course, lower corporate taxes ultimately destroys the infrastructure that makes the US worth doing business in - less help for the needy means more crime; less education funding means fewer qualified workers; less law enforcement in every field means more pollution, crime, fraud, etc; physical infrastructure falling apart.
 Ready4SomethingFun

Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 374
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/19/2009 10:46:37 PM

Seems to me that lower corporate taxes would tend to be an incentive to send more jobs offshore. See, taxes are paid on profits


Then would you mind telling me what the incentive would be that will bring them back? Raising taxes?

All I see are companies moving to countries where there are little or no corporate taxes, and those countries seem to welcome them with open arms.




And of course, lower corporate taxes ultimately destroys the infrastructure that makes the US worth doing business in - less help for the needy means more crime; less education funding means fewer qualified workers; less law enforcement in every field means more pollution, crime, fraud, etc; physical infrastructure falling apart.


I think it would depend on how many employees that corporation employs. If they have 1500 employees, then surely those 1500 people paying taxes is better than if the corporation isn't here at all. Get 50 or 60 of those companies back and you have less needy. And more people working means less crime (except those unwilling to work and they are going to be a problem no matter what), more paid into schools (and no one is going to stop buying lottery tickets and going to casinos regardless--that is big source of school funding), less need for law enforcement, not sure about the less pollution---how exactly does less law enforcement mean more pollution? Do you mean less EPA? Whoopee, if there is no business to begin with they aren't needed anyways, if there is then let them double up on their workforce, see they can hire more people too, when they are out there fining more businesses for violations. I think if you go look at any town that is now a ghost town due to corporations fleeing the scene (see Detroit, or my good old hometown, Dayton Ohio) you'll see plenty of infrastucture falling apart.

But I guess some people would rather see no business at all if they can't fleece the owners. Damn the citizens who'd actually like to work for a living, if the corporations aren't willing to pay for the lazy who don't.

Not to mention, since this a thread about illegal aliens, aren't willing to pay for their well-being when they shouldn't even be here.
 HalftimeDad

Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 375
view profile
History
Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/19/2009 11:01:57 PM
It's not corporate taxes that are causing jobs to move overseas.

In fact the places jobs are moving to have higher corporate taxes. They do have lower wages. Unless you're seeing factories setting up in Andora, the Cayman Islands or Lichtenstein.....well, you're just plain wrong. See, General Electric doesn't pay corporate taxes in Indonesia or India because it files it's corporate taxes in America.

So explain to me how lowering the tax rate will incentivize GE to fire up the factories in America again.

I know the kneejerk reaction on the right is always to lower taxes, but you kind of have to take the blinders off when you're outside a circle of true believers.
Page 15 of 16 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16
 
Show ALL Forums  > Politics  > Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have