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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/10/2008 12:36:21 PM | Only ignorant people think it is an issue. Immigration has ebbs and flows. They ome here to work, not suckle at the teat of socialism. I drive by hundreds of hisppanics EVERY day on my way to work. They are NOT the ones at the street corner asking for a hand out. They are standing in que, waiting for a day laborer job.
Since they DON'T vote, it isn't an issue for me. Let's work to make sure there are better jobs in Mexico as well, and they won't have to risk their lives crossing the desert to pick fruit for less than minimum wage. | |
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/10/2008 12:42:53 PM | First, they DO vote. I have posted links with sources on that issue already.
Secondly....how about we stop hiring them and force their own govt to do the right thing by their own people?
And, they do far more than just pick fruit. They steal jobs from Americans. I see that as a problem. Construction and manufacturing jobs were jobs that millions of Americans were doing. All stolen.
Shame on the employers, the illegal aliens, the Mexican govt. and our own.
I own a small company in the construction business. I won't hire them. Not for any price.
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/10/2008 12:44:46 PM | No, they don't that is a LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE. I am so tired of idiots raling against the four or five illegals who may or may not have voted, while disenfrachising MILLIONS of legal Americans. I am so tired of people like you SPREADING THAT LIE!
Illegal aliens DON'T vote and you sir are LYING! | |
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/10/2008 12:52:40 PM | LOL.
Do too.
I have seen them with my own eyes. Ever hear of Congresswoman Sanchez, in Orange County California? Google the articles about illegals voting for her. It is so easy. There are many articles about illegals voting in many parts of the country....not just here in California, which, I know for a fact they do. | |
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/10/2008 12:55:56 PM | See, after we have a warm moment you have to go and lie again.
You have NEVER seen them, you are, no attack intended, a jerk. I don't believe you saw someone you knew was an illegal alien, or you would have turned them in.
You saw someone hispanic, which doesn't mean illegal. We have tens of millions of legal hispanic citizens who are, big shok here, legally allowed to vote. Egads! | |
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/10/2008 1:12:36 PM | Not only did I see them, I knew them! I lived in an area which is HIGHLY populated with illegal aliens. A very small city/community called Cudahy, CA.
The entire city is only a little over one square mile. I lived there for years. I knew my neighbors well. I count many friends there. And, yes, some of my friends there are here illegally. And, as I would stand in the line ( a long one), I would see my illegal alien neighbors voting, every year. It isn't difficult to do. There is no oversight.
And, yes, privately, I did make phone calls and report it. Additionally, I called the LA Times. They didn't care, either. No one did. This state is run by democrats, as is this county.
By the way, I know the difference between making an assumption of illegal status and someone merely having brown skin. I have kids who are half latino. (My ex and her family, is from Mexico. And, she is a police officer. Even she would say the same things I have said.) I was born in East L.A. and have lived in L.A County all my life....and in the inner city (east side) of L.A. most of my life. I have lived with and loved latino people my entire life. No one has to lecture me about knowing the differences. And, no one can convince me that illegal immigration hasn't had a very negative impact on this country or its election processes. I know better.
Calling me ignorant isn't the way to go. It is a hallow statement.
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/10/2008 1:22:41 PM | My dad, a Republican, works as an election judge every year. He has NEVER seen an illegal alien vote. I never have the time to work as an election judge. However, I do know that there are NO substantiated reports of this occuring.
So, with all do respect and backing off my ferverant tone, I don't believe you saw what you believe you saw. There are a lot of right wing groups that use this issue to disenfranchise the hispanic population. If you really care about hispanic rights, saying illegals vote isn't the way to go about proving it. Helping make sure more legal hispanics are registered to vote is. Stopping the right from lying is, as part of the right, your responsibility as well. If you've read my posts, I do hold my party accountable when they are in the wrong. | |
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/10/2008 1:28:48 PM | NO ONE asks them if they are legally voting. All they need to do is drive to Macarthur Park, near downtown L.A., buy fake identifications, licenses, etc. then register to vote. They merely lie on the registration form. Happens all the time.
And, again, yes, I know my neighbors. And, I know many who are illegal, who voted. Saw it with my own two eyes.
Google Congresswoman Sanchez/illegal immigrant votes, some time.
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/10/2008 1:31:21 PM | | I already have, they had FOUR suspicious votes. Four. That isn't a crime wave. In Florida in 2000, more than 20,000 African Americans were disenfranchised. So, it is more important to worry about four potential illegal votes, or the negation of tens of thousands of votes? | |
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/10/2008 1:39:21 PM | Here is an article about the city of Cudahy, where I lived for many years.
http://www.laweekly.com/news/features/the-town-the-law-forgot/15731/
If all you did was find an article about four votes, you may not have looked hard.
Here is more...
http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=15837&t=Illegal+immigrants+are+voting+in+US+elections
It is nothing new. Remember the famous Democrat, Tammany? He used to get irish immigrants to vote illegally. How anyone can act as if this topic is a myth, escapes me.
There are many links out there...more than what I will spend the time to paste.
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/10/2008 1:54:55 PM | | It wasn't four illegals, it was four questionable ballots. Big Difference. However, even if it was four, it is a statistically insignificant number. More important is the tens of thousands disenfranchised by illegal practices by the republican party. Look into the texas-florida connection eliminating African American names from voter registration roles in Florida. That should appal ANYONE who is a believer in our Republic. | |
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/10/2008 7:43:06 PM | Illegal immigration is one of the biggest problems the US has ever had to face.
In all of history, tell me what wealthy nations have been able to stop the citizens of a poor nation from migrating into it?
Unless we start shooting them, what can we do?
If we arrest them and bus them back home, they just try again the next day. | |
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/10/2008 7:53:03 PM | 1) Sanctions against Mexico for not controlling their northern border, as well as for assisting their people in breaking our laws.
2) Fences and manpower at the border. (This has already begun to cut the numbers of offenders down). More is needed.
3) Sanctions or prosecution of American companies employing them.
4) Federal sanctions of sanctuary cities like L.A. and S.F. (and others), who refuse to allow their local police to call in ICE when they have arrested someone who turns out is here illegally.
5) For those who come back here and are caught a second (or third, fourth, etc.) time, prison time. Long prison time.
6)Investigations into illegal immigrants voting patterns. Prosecution for voter fraud.
I think that is a good start. | |
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/10/2008 8:15:47 PM | Actually the ahem, "myth" that illegal aliens don't contribute to the tax base actually is disproved by anyone who bothers to research facts:
Eight million illegal immigrants pay Social Security, Medicare, and Income Taxes.
Since the 1996 Welfare reform bill went into effect, no illegals receive food stamps, welfare, housing assistance, medicaid or medicare.
Ten percent of the Social Security surplus (the outfit that pays all that above stuff) is due to illegals paying into a system they'll never benefit from -- the government here is actually *making* money from the illegals, not the other way around.
Bummer for those that assert otherwise, but when all you have is Hannity and O'Reilly against the Bureau of Labor Statistics, I'll give you one guess on who's wrong. | |
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/11/2008 12:55:24 AM | He got his information from Rush and Faux, what do you expect.
How about instead of spending TRILLIONS on a 1700 mile long fence and the tens of thousands for the beauracracy it would take to make that border completely secure, we instead just ignore the blowhards who watch Faux for their news source?
We'll save a few Trillion dollars and sleep better at night. | |
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/11/2008 3:45:08 AM | Actually the ahem, "myth" that illegal aliens don't contribute to the tax base actually is disproved by anyone who bothers to research facts
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Let me say again, as I said before...
They don't contribute nearly as much as they take. Not even close. The myth is that they carry their own weight while they are here. I don't know who said they "don't contribute to the tax base", but I certainly didn't say it. I will say, however, that many work under the table, and contribute absolutely nothing to social security. Many steal identities and social security numbers of others....other latino people....citizens. But, who cares about THOSE latinos, right? We can feel more holy caring about the poor downtrodden stealing their way in from Mexico. By the way, does anyone have any idea of how many of them own homes in Mexico??? I bet not. I know many who have quite nice homes there.
Just so we're clear. I could bury the forum in proof. But, I know it would not change any minds. Even those with so called "open minds." I have listed the various areas of the economy and tax base they steal from several times. But, you are free to remain petulant. What a hoot!
Sanctimonious liberalism is selfish. It panders aimlessly. It distorts true liberalism, which is really about freedom. And, it is patronizing as hell, as it does no one any good, other than the person who engages in it to make himself "feel" good. It makes him feel righteous.....better than......different than all those "mean people" he has so much in common with. It is phony and transparent and impotent. And, as someone who has lived with latinos his entire life, as a father to children of hispanic heritage, let me tell you that many of them are repulsed by it all. Fully two thirds of latinos voted to cut off public assistance and funds to illegals in the state of California, when it went to ballot. Most of them, democrats.
So, tell yourselves whatever you must to make yourselves feel good. Denying what is really going on will not solve anything. I invite you to spend some time in L.A. But, don't go to Rodeo Drive, Sunset Blvd., Hollywood Blvd or Disneyland. Rather, travel around Alvarado and 6th, say, around 3 am any day of the week. Heck, go there during daylight hours, if you feel brave enough. Then head over to Cesar Chavez, or Whittier Blvd, in East L.A. if you dare. If you make it through there, head down to Southgate, or Compton, Cudahy, or Watts. LOL. As my dad used to say.....put your money where your mouth is. Man up. After traveling around in some of these areas, come back and tell me how much you really think they contribute, as opposed to what they take.
By the way, while you are researching the effects of illegal immigration, take a look into the crimes committed by illegals while they are here. Look into the economic impact they have on society as a whole, as well as the personal finances of those they victimize. And, take a look at the many, many thousands of them who join street gangs, as well as who they are killing the most. I will give you a hint. They aren't killing very many white people. Ask some black folks in Los Angeles how many of their family members have been gunned down, especially in the past two years or so, by illegal aliens. In fact, there is a movement afoot to force the LAPD and City Council into action. This movement is the work of some of those black families who have lost family members to illegal alien gang members. And, no, the victims are not all gangbangers. They are average AMERICAN kids, who had a right to be protected by their government from these thugs. Then, tell their families how important it is that they contribute 10% to the social security budget. My invitation to come to Los Angeles stands. I might even give the tour myself.
It has been mentioned in some of the threads here, that blind patrotism isn't patriotism. Well, blind "compassion" isn't really compassion, either.
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/11/2008 4:27:03 AM |
I want to add to your post by attempting to put illegal immigration into proper perspective. Let's take a look at our country before we became the United States. That was when we were under the rule of Great Britian. What did the English do? The British Empire spread the culture of prosperity around the globe
The english spread the culture of looting foreign countries for their own prosperity. American Indians are a testiment to how much prosperity the english gave out.
The money I would save on healthcare, health insurance, auto insurance, home owners insurance, housing prices, transportion, gasoline, police services, fire services, EMT services, court services, prison services, county jail services, education, crime, would all go nicely to my lettuce and tomato budget.
If you think your bills will go down because of a lack of illegal aliens, you are sorely mistaken. They will just love the opportunity to make higher profits. | |
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/11/2008 10:09:18 AM | If you think your bills will go down because of a lack of illegal aliens, you are sorely mistaken. They will just love the opportunity to make higher profits.
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It is good to see somebody admit the costs of illegal aliens.
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/11/2008 10:16:37 AM | No, the solution is simple, open the doors completely, Have stations to fingerprint, provide Identification, place a priority on Bilingual with a fast track to citizenship if bilingual. Require a SS # to be issued upon acceptance. Work with Mexican Authorities to make sure that Felons aren't crossing. Then, the only ones crossing in the desert would be felons, so rounding them up would be much easier. There wouldn't be nearly as many.
That's the solution, not xenophobia! | |
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| Illegal Immigration and The Upcoming Election: What Impact will it have
Posted: 8/11/2008 10:24:06 AM | | I was with you, ex1, until you got to "work with Mexican authorities to make sure that felons aren't crossing." It is in the Mexican authorities' best interests for their felons to be crossing...and to the pockets of the Mexican generals to protect the drug cartel smugglers. I was with Kinky Friedman who said we should give x million to several Mexican generals and deduct $25000 for each illegal who crossed and we caught...that would solve the problem and they wouldn't have to go to the cartels for money! | |
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