| World hunger/poverty...do we really care?
Posted: 6/25/2005 8:56:58 AM | ^ I know about the thread by Maj.Mike but I bailed out early because we men were being beat up.
Seriously,when I said sterilization I meant for men or women and it should be voluntary.AIDS is wiping out entire generations of people in Africa(and elsewhere),abstinance and condom use must be encouraged.Handing out money does little to fix poverty if the receiving government is corrupt(read:oil for food scandal). | |
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| World hunger/poverty...do we really care?
Posted: 6/25/2005 9:00:10 AM | | I'm all for that. (Voluntary, that is.) Who wouldn't be?! At the same time, that isn't a solution, and it certainly isn't a way for us to "wash our hands" of the problem. Not that we're getting very dirty anyway... | |
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| World hunger/poverty...do we really care?
Posted: 6/25/2005 12:31:04 PM | | Honestly, what would you have us do? Perhaps we should just start legislating people's sex lives? Should we just go down to the ghetto and hold everyone's hand, and say: "No sweetie, I know you're 24, but you don't have a job, and you might want to wear a condom, before having sex." I'm saying that there is no solution to this. There are people who knowingly do stupid things, like have babies when they can't afford them, and I don't see why it's society's fault. I'm guessing that most of the liberal solutions to this problem include throwing tons of money at it, while getting little, to no results. Oh well, at least some peoiple get to feel good about themselves, like they're doing something to help. | |
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| World hunger/poverty...do we really care?
Posted: 6/25/2005 12:33:52 PM | | I still can't believe there are people out there that would like to have other people spayed and neutered just incase they may make a bad decision. | |
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| World hunger/poverty...do we really care?
Posted: 6/25/2005 12:42:14 PM | | Look around. It's scary. But keep in mind that what you see around these here parts (POF) isn't going to be representative of the general population, esp. re: forced sterilization. (thankfully) | |
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| World hunger/poverty...do we really care?
Posted: 6/25/2005 1:34:55 PM | | There is no overpopulation, just an unwise creation of pollutants and the idiotic destruction of natural ecosystems. The world can easily hold many times more people, if we live differently. But to answer the original question: no. | |
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| World hunger/poverty...do we really care?
Posted: 6/25/2005 1:48:31 PM | | China doesn't sterilize anyone (as far as I know) but they do practice forced abortion. They are also going to be the next superpower, so you ladies might wanna have your kids now. I say you're allowed to live births, and then sterilized. Have sex all you want. | |
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| World hunger/poverty...do we really care?
Posted: 6/25/2005 5:23:57 PM |
President Bush refused to grant Tony Blair’s request for massive funding to deal with disease and feed starving children in Africa, so it is predicted that millions of African children will die in the next decade.
Bush should be ashamed. Where is all that compassion he so blithely talked about during the election campaign? Now we see him unmasked for what he really is – a phony who tosses cute words and phrases around to get votes and please his base. Is it any wonder that polls show his standing among Americans is at the lowest point of his presidency?
He requested, and a gutless Congress granted, $80 billion for his wars in Afghanistan and Iraq – his second request, by the way. But he cannot cough up a few paltry million dollars to save Africa’s children. And isn’t he the one who keeps talking about “No Child Left Behind?” When Bush said “no” to Blair, it seems clear that he was more than willing to leave Africa’s hungry and diseased children behind.
Lest we forget – the Iraq war, which he planned and sold to Congress and America, was based on lies and deceptions. And now Bush wants us to believe that he supports moral values! Give me a break.
To call yourself compassionate, yet show no compassion for those who disagree with you and have no patience for those who cry out for help, that is immoral.
When you claim that our God is bigger than their God, and we are good, but they are evil, then we are like the enemy we are fighting, and that is immoral.
When your actions cause most of the world to hate a country that was once loved and respected, and then you act like it doesn’t matter what others think of us, that is immoral.
When you saddle the next generation with a monstrous debt to pay for a war we didn’t want, with no exit strategy and no end in sight, with thousands of brave American soldiers killed and wounded, and more thousands of innocent Iraqis dying, that is immoral.
And when you do all this under the guise of being Christian, you make a mockery of everything for which the Christian faith stands. This country is morally bankrupt. The claim of this administration to be Christian is bankrupt.
It is time to take back our country and remove these make-believe Christians from power. Our Constitution provides a way to do just that. It is impeachment. If ever a president was guilty of “high crimes and misdemeanors,” Bush has qualified.
by Dean L. Frantz, from The News-Sentinal | |
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| World hunger/poverty...do we really care?
Posted: 6/25/2005 5:27:53 PM |
This country is morally bankrupt.
Nice essay, except that this statement overlooks the millions of people who do not support many decisions of the current administration. Please don't overlook that yourself. | |
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| World hunger/poverty...do we really care?
Posted: 6/25/2005 5:34:11 PM | | Ok, there are obvious disagreements that sterilization is not the way to go on moral grounds, so I ask again....Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to stop these third world starving people from mass producing kids they know will die from starvation? | |
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| World hunger/poverty...do we really care?
Posted: 6/25/2005 5:47:40 PM | The kids don't die because they were born. They are starved intentionally for political reasons. There is food standing by. The world produces surplus food.
The solution is political action by concerned citizens. That is all it would take. The number of children dying of starvation and disease is a direct measure of apathy. The means exist today, but not the will. | |
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| World hunger/poverty...do we really care?
Posted: 6/25/2005 6:15:17 PM | | ^^There IS something to this; the ironic twist being the similarity between your name and the name of the Florida governor... nice to hear this coming from "you." | |
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| World hunger/poverty...do we really care?
Posted: 6/25/2005 6:47:57 PM | | If Western cultures would mind their OWN freaking business about what other peoples eat, things would go a LOT better. There has been a lot of screaming about the hunting of feral cats in a certain state..Well jeeze. And about euthanizing animals in shelters etc. I say, use these animals as trade goods...food...for those cultures that DO eat them. It would solve the problem of strays, overcrowded animal sheters, feed the hungry of the world. It's a win-win situation where nobody loses...except the bleeding hearts who couldn't stand to see an animal harmed in order to feed a child. | |
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| World hunger/poverty...do we really care?
Posted: 6/25/2005 7:15:59 PM |
President Bush refused to grant Tony Blair’s request for massive funding to deal with disease and feed starving children in Africa, so it is predicted that millions of African children will die in the next decade.
How much is Canada, France, and China putting into the pot? | |
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| World hunger/poverty...do we really care?
Posted: 6/26/2005 6:57:52 AM | Off topic
China doesn't sterilize anyone (as far as I know) but they do practice forced abortion. They are also going to be the next superpower, so you ladies might wanna have your kids now. I say you're allowed to live births, and then sterilized. Have sex all you want.
Actual they do sterilize. Ever since the one child policy. Though the policy is slightly altered these days...where if you and your spouse are both the only child in the family, both are the product of the single-child policy, you and your spouse may have two...yes, count them...brats if you should so choose. | |
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| World hunger/poverty...do we really care?
Posted: 9/13/2007 6:30:15 AM | It is possible that some people donate time, effort, money and have self serving reasons. One way to look at it is that some celebrities do show the behavior you describe. Others may do it for business or tax reasons. Not entirely altruistic. That's one perspective. Yet it is still better than nothing.
Another point of view is that whatever the motivation, inroads are still being made and work is being done.
As for donations for the average guy (congrats even for your amounts), it still counts if is spent well.
Speaking for the average guy, I do a little donation of time all year at a local foodbank warehouse. A not for profit distributor for some of the foodbanks in parts of my state in the US. My perspective is that I am not out to save the world. I'll leave that to better people than me. What I can do is engage in things that impact my community and surrounding ones.
"So what?"
Simple, my view is that if enough people takecare of their backyard, then incrementally, many of the backyards get that much brighter. Sure you have to pick your spots, because you can't fight on all fronts, but you can select your own personal causes.
My 0.02 | |
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