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 ronjo58

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Posted: 8/11/2008 4:58:31 AM
Like it or not,Obama is slowly losing his base and many democrats are jumping ship and the independants have had enough of the sickening oratory from Obama. they are now leaning to McCain. Hats off to the leaners for having common sense.They know when something is real and solid as opposed to glamour and special effects. McCain is real and solid. The independants have always loved him. Zogby has Obama behind in the poll with his base slowly leaving. Here is the site:
http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1535
 MacKevinized

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Posted: 8/11/2008 5:26:17 AM

Zogby has Obama behind in the poll with his base slowly leaving. Here is the site:


Some polster this Zogby guy.

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That sure sounds slanted to me.

Let's take up a donation and pay for a study that proves Obama has 98% of the vote.
And we can pay to have favorable articles, news releases reports.
 zestyvirginia

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Posted: 8/11/2008 6:36:49 AM
He is in way over his head and makes bad choices in friends so what does this say about him???
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 8/11/2008 11:12:39 AM
McCain's making the same mistake Hillary did, and look what happened to her in the end.

She tried to make him "less American", and seem inexperienced.

What happens when you do that against someone like Obama, with his skill set, is that you wind up with sudden rises and falls in popularity, but nothing you can hold on to. You make your opponent the story, and the more press he gets, the more attention he gets.

Eventually, as the stories pile up and are discounted - voters burn out, and lose any chance of being swayed over again. They start to see any attack on the candidate as simply people crying wolf all over again.

I think this is why Obama's holding onto his base, while McCain's numbers are fluctuating up and down like a Skyhawk with a defective set of elevators.

I think that "voter burnout" is what's actually driving Obama towards victory, strangely enough.
 exodusi1

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Posted: 8/11/2008 11:30:36 AM
I heard, again, this morning that pundits are starting to talk landslide again, even mentioning Goldwater/Miller v. LBJ. I look at the Electoral Map and see the same thing myself.

I like Hillary as a VP, but EB from IN would aslo be a great choice. Carrying Indiana could really put this into the lanslide early category!
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 8/11/2008 12:21:38 PM
I agree, I seriously doubt that this one will be a landslide on the popular vote side. It may be a bit one sided on the electoral college one, however.

Look at the impact rural areas have compared to urban ones there (statewise) , which is why I'm suggesting that.
 exodusi1

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Posted: 8/11/2008 1:47:50 PM
Actually, high turnout ALWAYS favors Democrats. That is why the expected high turnout has Obama potentially carrying some of the small states that rarely go Democrat, like Montana, Iowa, ND, & SD.

LaNdSlIdE ~
 Windslow

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Posted: 8/11/2008 2:15:39 PM
She tried to make him "less American", and seem inexperienced.
^ ^ ^

He did it to himself with the help of Jeremiah Wright not Hillary Clinton and John McCain. Hillary Clinton like Obama are the Dems constant error of having past presidential campaigns when candidates rushed selected for nomination neglecting the dreaded label "liberal".

Jackie Robinson, see how they always bring race into the equation. Obama is no Robinson. Robinson was talented, Obama is the Dems first affirmative action nominee. They went for him instead of her (she is indeed the better, much better candidate than Obama despite her negative baggage) because he is more minority status. Fascinating that even foreign liberals think the same as our domestic ones. Obama went to Germany and ripped his own country. Then the guy came back and ripped his own country to a seven-year-old girl. And he thinks elevating pressure in your tires replaces drilling for oil. They all share this common goal and expect us to like them while they and the media are asking, why is Obama not doing better? They can't figure it out because they are anti-American.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d667NAI9HIM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAY-K_puO58&eurl=http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/

OBAMA: America, uh, is -- is no longer, uh, what it -- it could be, what it once was. And I say to myself, "I don't want that future for my children."

All right, now, here he's brought it home. He had trashed his country in Germany, he has seen the result of that in his plummeting poll numbers, and now he does it again in Elkhart, Indiana, a seven-year-old little girl. You're running for president, Senator Obama. A little girl asks you a question, "Why did you start running for president?" It's a seven-year-old, Senator. You tell her because you love the country. You tell her because this is the greatest place on earth, that we've got challenges, but you want to help the country through it. You don't tell a seven-year-old that her country isn't what it once was. You do not lie to seven-year-olds and tell them that your country sucks. You just don't do it, Senator. America is no longer what it could be, what it once was? How the hell would you know, sir? Your experience has only been in one part of America, elite, leftist academia. Oh, and with Jeremiah Wright. You've hung around with a bunch of people who do hate this country, there's no question about that. But for crying out loud, to a seven-year-old? America is, uh, no longer, uh, what it, uh, could be, what it, uh, once was, and I say to myself I don't want that future for my children. You wouldn't want your life and your wife's life for your kids?

Before you decided to run for president, Senator Obama, your wife was pulling down 300 grand working in PR at a hospital. You had written two books that got you out of debt. What is wrong with your life? What is wrong with the opportunities in this country that had been made available to you, that you wouldn't want for that seven-year-old girl that asked you the question? What's so bad about your life that you wouldn't want your kids living it? You're running for president of the United States, and you've run down the country to a seven-year-old. We've got to have better than this out there. This just continues this absurdity about the tire pressure being a serious energy plan.
 exodusi1

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Posted: 8/11/2008 2:44:26 PM
More useless rants.

You are a neocon, so of course you don't think Obama is going to be good, of course you misinterpret his words, of course you don't understand the context of his meaning. However, for TENS of MILLIONS of Americans and Hundreds of millions of humans around the world, there is once again HOPE that America will be more than a Global Bully both militarily and economically.

I stand with him on that one as well. It will be nice NOT to be the world's @$$HOLE. America is better than that!
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 8/11/2008 4:13:20 PM
All right, now, here he's brought it home. He had trashed his country in Germany, he has seen the result of that in his plummeting poll numbers, and now he does it again in Elkhart, Indiana, a seven-year-old little girl. You're running for president, Senator Obama. A little girl asks you a question, "Why did you start running for president?" It's a seven-year-old, Senator. You tell her because you love the country. You tell her because this is the greatest place on earth, that we've got challenges, but you want to help the country through it. You don't tell a seven-year-old that her country isn't what it once was. You do not lie to seven-year-olds and tell them that your country sucks. You just don't do it, Senator. America is no longer what it could be, what it once was? How the hell would you know, sir? Your experience has only been in one part of America, elite, leftist academia.


And pretending it's Wonderland, when things are going wrong, isn't making America any better. At age seven, or seventy, that applies equally.

What Obama said is reflected every day here, and reflected in the 75 percent of America that feels America is going in the wrong direction - although they vary as to the details why.

When you are driving the wrong way down the road, against the traffic, you don't point out how pretty all those flashing headlights are. That's what got America were it is today, as people refused to talk about what's currently wrong.


“America is …, uh, is no longer, uh … what it could be, what it once was. And I say to myself, I don’t want that future for my children.”


Neither do most Americans, and again that's perhaps the one common thread the majority of Americans have today.

An out of control debt, rising food/gas/healthcare costs, a war deemingly without end, large gaps in income equality.....the list goes on.

These are not "American" things, and neither is the general malaise Americans seem to have today in overwhelming numbers. As a foreigner, it's so strange to hear Americans speaking here about cutting back on things like food, cable, heating.....

This isn't the America I once lived in , so long ago.

America's supposed to be a place where the working man can live comfortably, not some Great Gatsby wanna be lifestyle. You have a small house, a job you work hard at, and you have the basics covered. That's America, really America, to me.

IF you want more than that, the opportunity exists to better yourself, and the one dream you have is that your kids WILL do better.

But that isn't the feeling I get here, when reading so many American posts on various topics.

Americans talking about civil war ?

About how they are no longer in control ?

About how hard it is for the working man, even a hard working one, to even meet basic needs ?

So for anyone, especially a man who is running for president, to suggest "it's a wonderful world" is doing the country a great disservice.

It's a great country, but it's off course.

Again, one of the best quotes I ever read, the one that truly strikes me as an AMERICAN one, was from Bill Clinton : " There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America.

That's right up there with : "Some men see things as they are, and say 'Why?' -- I dream of things that never were, and say, 'Why not?'"

In my mind, that's the most "American" mentality I can imagine. That's what made your country great, all through it's history.

Those "better angels" when called out to, seldom fail Americans.

So I applaud Obama for his answer, because that's the first step that needs to be taken here.
 IntricateGina

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Posted: 8/11/2008 4:20:49 PM
After the primaries he was burned out just like some have stated. It showed especially when it was known he didn't win in the big states. His replies lately seem to indicate desperation not burn out. The answers to the little children shows that he cannot do Town Halls. In Town Halls it will be adults posing the questions. Rightly so that Barack Obama declined doing the Town Halls with John McCain. He can't handle children's questions and he can't handle adults questions which would be too much for him compared to the children. In Las Vegas last week he couldn't handle a reporter's questions. He is used to sissy questions from his followers in the msm but this reporter from the local CBS almost made Obama cry. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/08/06/obama-accuses-reporter-serving-mccains-proxy

His response was.....Hold on a second. Uh, eh, er, you know, Jon, I, uh, er, I, I thought I was, de...uh... talking to you as opposed to debating John McCain but I'm happy to let you, uh, serve as his proxy. Uh, the fact of the matter is that I supported that energy bill, uh, saying at the time that those tax breaks were wrong.

That was not burn out. He was sending a message to the anchor of Las Vegas Now Eyeball News, Jon Ralston firing.
You don't challenge me, you need to be fired is what Obama meant. I didn't come on here to debate anybody. I came on here to be fawned over. I came over here and I went on your show to be treated like I am The Messiah, not to be challenged. That's what that message meant. He showed anger at the reporter by expressing accusations at the reporter.

Ralston says, "Well, there's story out today about how you supported the****Cheney bill, the energy bill 2005." Obama did. He voted for it, and McCain opposed it. "That bill gave subsidies to the oil and gas companies. McCain opposed it, saying that those are tax breaks for the oil companies, but Barack Obama favored it."

It's not burn out, it's stupidly and the reporter exposed him on this one. Obama cannot handle himself without a script from the Dem leaders behind his nomination. But posts number 41 and 42 appear to be scribbled by burn out ones. Out-of-whacked and out of this world.
 Suthn_Boy

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Posted: 8/11/2008 4:52:52 PM
Yep! DEFINITELY Obama Burn-Out going on.. In a very big way..
But he's doing a lot of it to himself too. Actions, or INactions as the case may be, speak louder than words. It's not entirely excessive media coverage.

And that's not partisan at all. I am not a rightie nor a Democrat nor a Repub nor a leftie.
That the view from the middle of the road. The Independent Centrists who most suggest will actually decide the election. Heck, in 2012 we may even have our own candidate on the ballot!

Mesg # 3, 11, 13, 24, 25, 33, 43 : Absolutely! 100% accurate!
No point in repeating the same comments all over again. Well said!

-Suth'nBoy

 Strongdad

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Posted: 8/11/2008 5:01:33 PM
Obama takes Montana?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/mt/montana_mccain_vs_obama-614.html

These guys have McCain up by 5 plus there.
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 8/11/2008 5:08:32 PM
Insults ?


The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $1.80 billion per day since September 28, 2007

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/



As of April 2008, the total U.S. federal debt was approximately $9.5 trillion, about $31,600 per capita (that is, per U.S. resident). Of this amount, debt held by the public was roughly $5.3 trillion.If, in addition, unfunded Medicaid, Social Security, Medicare, etc. promises are added, this figure rises to a total of $59.1 trillion. In 2007, the public debt was 36.9 percent of GDP , with a total debt of 65.5 percent of GDP.[6] The CIA ranked the total percentage as 26th in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt


Wage inequality ?



Only Those at the Top Enjoy Significant Income Gains
April 3rd, 2007 by Dr. Amy K. Glasmeier

Recently released data from the Internal Revenue Service on income for 2005 show a significant rise at the upper end of the income distribution. In 2005 there was a very large increase in income concentration: the top 1% gained 14% in real terms from 2004 while the bottom 99% gained less than 1% (when including capital gains). Of particular interest, other than the top 1%, the rate of change for the rest of the nation’s income earners stagnated. It appears only the super rich continued to experience a growth in income between 2004 and 2005.

http://www.povertyinamerica.psu.edu/2007/04/03/
only-those-at-the-top-enjoy-significant-income-gains/



One of the most significant labor market developments in the last decade
and a half has been the sharp rise in wage inequality in the United States, the
Untied Kingdom, and many other countries. For example, Karoly (1988) estimated
the variance in the logarithm of annual earnings for white males working at least
35 hours a week and 50 weeks a year at 0.282 in 1969, 0.264 in 1979, and 0.376
in 1987. The 42 percent increase from 1979 to 1987 brought that measure of wage
inequality to levels unseen in the United States since the 1930s (Goldin and Margo
1992).

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:dXlH7IFH2BUJ
:www.upjohninst.org/publications/ch1/
hyclak.pdf+wage+inequality&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=21&gl=ca


The American dollar ?

Currency units per U.S. dollar, averaged over the year.

1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
Euro 0.9387 1.0832 1.1171 1.0578 0.8833 0.8040 0.8033 0.7960 0.7293
CND $1.4858 1.4855 1.5487 1.5704 1.4008 1.3017 1.2115 1.1340 1.0734

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar



The official poverty threshold is adjusted for inflation using the consumer price index. Poverty in the United States is cyclical in nature with roughly 12% to 16% living below the federal poverty line at any given point in time, and roughly 40% falling below the poverty line at some time within a 10 year time span.[2] Most, 58.5%, of all Americans will spend at least one year beneath the poverty line at some point between ages 25 and 75. While there remains some controversy of whether or not the official poverty over or understates poverty, the United States has some of the highest absolute and relative pre and post-transfer, poverty rates in the developed world.Overall, the U.S. ranks 12th on the Human Poverty Index.

Those under the age of 18 were the most likely to be impoverished. In 2006 the poverty rate for minors in the United States was the highest in the industrialized world, with 21.9% of all minors and 30% of African American minors living below the poverty threshold.] Moreover, the standard of living for those in the bottom 10% was lower in the U.S. than in any other developed nation except the United Kingdom, which had the lowest standard of living for impoverished children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States



Published: Friday, August 01, 2008

WASHINGTON - The U.S. unemployment rate hit its highest level in four years during July as employers cut non-farm jobs for a seventh straight month, though less severely than predicted, a Labor Department report Friday showed.

The jobless rate climbed to 5.7 per cent from 5.5 per cent in June as 51,000 jobs were eliminated in July, bringing losses for the year to 463,000. Analysts polled by Reuters had expected 75,000 jobs would be cut last month but had forecast the unemployment rate would rise only to 5.6 per cent.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id
=d0cb063b-b896-4d61-b3aa-7328040c7d2d



NEW YORK (Reuters) - Recession and historic asset price deflation will prevent the Federal Reserve from raising U.S. interest rates, the manager of the world's biggest bond fund said on Tuesday.

"These concerns (among analysts) about the Fed raising interest rates are almost comical," said Bill Gross, chief investment officer of Pimco or Pacific Investment Management Co, speaking on CNBC television. Gross manages the $130 billion Pimco Total Return Fund.

He was speaking after the Federal Open Market Committee announced its decision to hold its key short-term lending rate, the federal funds target rate, unchanged at 2 percent.

"We're in a recession and when has the Fed ever raised interest rates during a recession," Gross said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUSNYG00120520080805



More than 80 percent of Americans believe the country is headed in the wrong direction, the highest such number since the early 1990s, according to a new survey.

The CBS News-New York Times poll released Thursday showed 81 percent of respondents said they believed “things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track.” That was up from 69 percent a year ago, and 35 percent in early 2002.

The survey comes as housing turmoil has rocked Wall Street amid an economic downturn. The economy has surpassed the war in Iraq as the dominating issue of the U.S. presidential race, and there is now nearly a national consensus that the United States faces significant problems, the poll found.

A majority of Democrats and Republicans, men and women, residents of cities and rural areas, college graduates and those who finished only high school say the United States is headed in the wrong direction, according to the survey, which was published on The New York Times’ Web site.

Seventy-eight percent of respondents said the country was worse off than five years ago; just 4 percent said it was doing better.

The newspaper said Americans are more dissatisfied with the country’s direction than at any time since the poll’s inception in the early 1990s. Only 21 percent of respondents said the overall economy was in good condition, the lowest such number since late 1992. Two in three people said they believed the economy was already in recession.


If I am insulting America by stating facts, with citations, then those 80 percent of Americans that agree that things are not all hunky-dory are equally insulting America too.

One cannot overlook the facts, and also pose the question as to why a great country, with so much to offer it's citizens (and a fairly good record of doing that, too) now suddenly can't offer much of anything at all.

You've got the talent, the history, and the creativity that lead your nation to touch the face of the Moon - and yet America has been becalmed in this Sargasso sea of despair recently.

Again, go into many of the threads here at POF, and you will hear the echoes of all this reverberating through posters of all political persuasions.

It doesn't have to be that way, and it shouldn't be that way.

In much the same way that America lost it's direction temporarily after Vietnam, and during the recession/gas crisis era of Carter..... I see America in very much the same state of malaise that it was then.

That can change, and will change, and America's got every single thing it needs to do it.

That's a "burnout" that surpasses any Obama is suffering.
 Koga-Seven

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Posted: 8/11/2008 7:41:55 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Good point Renaissance Man!

BHO is not burn out. His metabolism is very slow and his politics is old. Old 60's radical mentality, not new that requires a lot of energy and may result in burn out.
Mrs Clinton worked a lot harder than he did and she was not burn out. BHO rested since Mrs Clinton gave up and accepted the Democrat superdelegates preference of BHO. John McCain thought he was being honorable by letting BHO rest. It's not too late for some good old American campaign now. Wait until late September and in October. We will see real ADS. BHO has McCain with President Bush in his ADs. McCain needs to have BHO with Pastor Wright in his ADSs or with Jimmy Carter. Let's make it negative as BHO has been making it thus far. The Paris Hilton is really just a funny AD and not a negative AD but it was effective. Maybe that AD forced BHO for a little vacation but not burn out.



One cannot overlook the facts, and also pose the question as to why a great country, with so much to offer it's citizens (and a fairly good record of doing that, too) now suddenly can't offer much of anything at all.
Canada will never have a Hillary or a BHO running for their prime minister or province governor. It could only be an Anglo or maybe a rare French mix. Perhaps the reason some are in love with BHO and were for Hillary.

^^^^^^^^^^^^


Not just the moon, the other planets, universe and most of the world, everything good that affects people all over originates in the USA and sustained by the United States despite national debt. As long as the national debt affects the world and not us, the more we should keep it. It's foreigners that are hurtful and angry about it not me and not 99% of Americans. BHO does not understand it all either.
BHOis not burn out since he's consistent with more taxes and less individual freedom for us. If he begins to sound all American like Ronald Reagan, he's burn out.
Just like there's nothing to talk about, in terms of BHO's experience, there's nothing to talk about foreigners' obsession with us and our nation. The abnormal searching of news articles of anything negative or bias about our great nation is futile. At least these individuals have an excuse. They are not Americans, but BHO is supposed to be. Take note that these people can get away with trashing America because America's left are in sync with them.
You've got enough evidence out there, this is what's amazing about Obama, to say this country is not what it once was.
I think every day in this country is better than the day before. We live it and you've got all this evidence out there of how prosperity is just waiting to be tackled, it's just waiting to be pursued. It's here not in Canada, our country provides it for anybody who wants to try. We all have our own obstacles to overcome in pursuing. There are countries that cannot survive at all without us. They exist because we exist. They may be parasites clinging to our Democracy and economy and pretending to be like us sort of speak, but isn't that what we expect of them?
 teachpeace

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Posted: 8/11/2008 9:19:05 PM
Renaissance? Pretending that folks from Canada/the UK or where ever can't have an opinion about what's going on in this country is about as inane as it gets. What's incredibly insulting is how little Americans know about other countries. Remember that "why do they hate us?" bit post 911?
That fact that folks all over the world are vitally interested in this election suggests they are more aware of how much trouble we're in then we are. Getting all pissy because they're raising legitimate concerns is a bit counter productive cuz that's when we're acting like itty bitty babies; unfortunately that tends to reinforce the notion that 'lots of Americans are too stupid to save themselves.'
It's not personally insulting when someone wakes you up from a deep sleep and screams at you about your house being on fire either. They're probably doing it cuz they see something that you can't. Leave it where ever you wanna but do hang on to your brain long enough to listen to world opinion. Personally, your lack of decorum in this post reflects badly on all of us. We're Americans.....we can handle debate.
Obama '08
 Strongdad

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Posted: 8/11/2008 9:28:35 PM
Gee. Hippy chat? Groovy. I can dig it, man.

Yes, Obama is a recycle from the 60's with no new ideas that I could see. I think he has shot his wad, already. Wasn't very impressive, either. No, the radical ideas of the 60's weren't well thought out then, and they aren't now, either.

I think a lot of us are burnt out on his arrogance and thinly veiled dislike for many of us, as well as his pissed off wife's. I don't want to spend the next four years listening to them preach at us. I am surprised. As "intelligent" as he is, he should have known not to stand out there and hold himself up as the magic potion, that would cure us all of our "ignorance, racism, and xenophobia." The only thing worse than an ignorant putz is a putz who is arrogant, to boot.

Fortunately, enough of us see through him. I would not be so arrogant as to think he is just going to waltz his way into the W.H.
 teachpeace

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Posted: 8/11/2008 9:42:34 PM
So you're offended? That's not the point tho.....is it? The point is that the MORE diverse the debate, the better. Here's the news flash.......when people CARE ABOUT what's going on in your country, it probably isn't sensible to be offended. It probably makes more sense to just think more critically. We're Americans....we know how to do this.
For the record, what everyone consistently forgets about Obama's speech in Germany was that he confronted the Germans about their lack of support for the US . He clearly mentioned the US couldn't continue to assume all of the responsibility for the war on terrorism and that the world community needed to step up and participate in keeping everyone safe.
Now more than ever, America is in desperate need of divergent input. We're in deep trouble here. It was participation in this ethnocentric lunacy that got us here in the first place. We're gonna blather 'my country right or wrong' in this day and age?
When we've suspended habeas corpus and are torturing people? Really? Here's the newsflash....there's a whole lotta WRONG going on over here!!! As I see it, loving this country means we're patriotic AND able to recognize when we're off course.
 Strongdad

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Posted: 8/11/2008 10:03:32 PM
The internet is a wondrous thing. It allows some people to say things they would never have the stones to say in person. I try to take it in stride, taking into account exactly who is saying what is being said.

Back to Obama burnout. Stick a fork in his hateful rhetoric. It's done. And, when he isn't elected, spare us the cries of "racism." He did it to himself.
 teachpeace

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Posted: 8/11/2008 10:07:57 PM
Am I hearing you say that any criticism of the US is bad? I know that's not what you mean......wouldn't THAT be arrogant? I mean look around you...the Constitution is being shredded by these slimeballs. They are literally taking the proverbial political dump on the flag and we haven't found the where with all to stop them yet. Right now we're in debt past our eyeballs because of a war brought on by back dated memos and lies. Aren't we in trouble here?
Our strength lies in recognizing the extent/severity of our current level of crisis and working toward solving the problem. How do we profit by denying this? The only way I can demonstrate my love for this country is to say 'it's all good'? Good god even I don't have a med****ail that would make that credible.
 cncgandolf

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Posted: 8/11/2008 10:34:52 PM
Thanks for the link to and cite from the LATimes article. Interesting choice of paragraphs to copy from it. All you have to do is go up 1 paragraph before your quote and you find that they are reporting bias..... anti-Obama bias....

"The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, where researchers have tracked network news content for two decades, found that ABC, NBC and CBS were tougher on Obama than on Republican John McCain during the first six weeks of the general-election campaign."

Personally, I like to flip amongst the news to see the spin each is giving a story and the covert ways they plant fear mongering and anti positions. Long time training to watch them for their critical thinking errors and trickery.
 Strongdad

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Posted: 8/11/2008 10:40:00 PM
Personally, I like to flip amongst the news to see the spin each is giving a story and the covert ways they plant fear mongering and anti positions. Long time training to watch them for their critical thinking errors and trickery.
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Yes. I suppose if a conspiracy theorist or victocrat wanted to, he or she could find a conspiracy almost anywhere.
 Strongdad

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Posted: 8/11/2008 10:53:20 PM
Tinfoil hats, indeed. And, there is no shortage of them in California...especially Northern California.
 Tanbury

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Posted: 8/12/2008 1:09:42 AM
After reading teachpeace's posts I had to check outside and make sure I'm still living in the good old U.S.A. It's true what is said about reading. It takes you anywhere in the world and those posts made it looked as if I was living India. Talk about burn out, more like clinical depression if one is to believe the crap that comes out of some of these Democrat politicians. I think those types of posts reflect life during the Carter four years in America. When guilt of being number one was a sin as Obama thinks life should be for us except for him. Only he and his wife should have gas and money. Thank God we will always have Republicans to keep things straight, rich and America strong. No matter how many Democrats are loose out there.
 exodusi1

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Posted: 8/12/2008 9:11:37 AM
Yeah, we may not have jobs, we may lose our homes, we may send our children to die in illegal wars, but thank god we have republicans out there keeping us safe from the big bad Democrats who want to tax the rich people!
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