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 PurpleCrayon~

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Posted: 8/12/2008 9:41:02 AM

Yeah, we may not have jobs, we may lose our homes, we may send our children to die in illegal wars, but thank god we have republicans out there keeping us safe from the big bad Democrats who want to tax the rich people!


There will always be jobs. Course the Democrat social program abuse causes people to prefer the hand outs rather than work. Look around at the jobs in the papers, on store doors/windows, etc. The jobs are there. Then again, there is also Union abuse. The initial use for Unions has been dissolved into a Corp. for collecting Union dues and telling the Workers to strike over everything. Costing companies millions in dollars and resulting in lay offs. That's the Democrat's fault. Not Republicans.

Losing Homes you can attribute to People overextending their means to pay. How many Democrats have now gotten caught being a part of that system. Many high profile ones. As for wars... there will always be those who believe all war is wrong... including the American Revolution... WWI, II, etc. They would rather chance having German or Arabic as the Official language and the women as dirt upon which men walk.

Democrats want to tax everybody... Everybody. More taxes. More, more. More Government Nanny status.

There is Obama burn out. There's also Democratic burn out after witnessing the Democrats in Congress these past 2 years.

McCain in 08!
 HalftimeDad

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Posted: 8/12/2008 10:14:41 AM

However I would never imagine criticizing Canada, while in Canada. I would never think of criticizing Canadian internal policies on an international discussion board.


So then, you would never criticize Russia, Iran or Saddam's Iraq on an internet forum then? And, by the way, all internet forums are international - that's the beauty of the internet.

US politics affects the whole world - as a Canadian I could pick out Eisenhower in a lineup, but haven't the slightest idea what the Canadian PM at the time (Louis St. Laurent) looked like. And most Canadians couldn't even tell you who St. Laurent was. But we all know who Eisenhower was.
 exodusi1

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Posted: 8/12/2008 10:16:32 AM
Ahh the bliss of. . . .

No, the economy isn't going well. . . If you are looking for a job, because your job went to Inda, too bad. . . If you are trying to save your home because your rate went up, but your income didn't, too bad. . . If you have 300,000 in debt because your child got sick, despite working for Wal Mart for 15 years, too bad. . . If you are poor and can't afford a newer vehicle that gets more than the 15MPG your clunker gets and now your spending your first 2 hors at work paying for the trip there and home, tough. . . If your son enlisted in the Army to be a Chaplin's assistant, but they needed him to be infantry after he trained, and he dies, too bad. . . If you worked in the WTC expecting to be protected at home from terrorism, I'm sorry, Bill Clinton got a BJ. . . Nothing is ever Dubya's fault, Congress has been Democrat controlled for two years, so the ten TRILLION dollar debt must be their fault!

So many lies, so little time to spread them!
 Stella Blue

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Posted: 8/12/2008 10:18:29 AM

Thank God we will always have Republicans to keep things straight, rich and America strong. No matter how many Democrats are loose out there.


Yup, those neo cons have been doing a bang up job. Where do you people come from?


There will always be jobs. Course the Democrat social program abuse causes people to prefer the hand outs rather than work.


Do you get that we spend several times over on corporate welfare as we do on social welfare. The GOP would rather fleece the coffers of your beloved country, give huge tax breaks to the corporations and the wealthy and grow an enormous deficit than tax to pay for their ENORMOUS spending. And you are going to blame the Dems?
I am not too thrilled with the Dems either but please try and get it right.


That's the Democrat's fault. Not Republicans.


I think I get the problem here. You think there are 2 sides. You think that someone who thinks that this administration as been the evil empire is actually in support of the Democrats. The thing is, many of the people who have been outraged watching this (expletive here) war mongering **stard destroy this country ( I could go into the litany of ways but who has the energy anymore) are way to intelligent to think that the Dems are much better.
I think you though have had plenty of very intelligent people spell way too much out for you and you still stick to this amazingly tired rhetoric. So there is no reason for me to waste my breadth.

For the disaster that has become the economy, the foreign policy .... etc. of this country I blame both parties.
 oscarz05

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Posted: 8/12/2008 10:55:01 AM
well, apparently all the Republicans aren't busy keeping the world safe from Democrats.



Former GOP Rep. Leach of Iowa endorses Obama

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- Former Rep. Jim Leach, a leading Republican moderate with a foreign policy background, endorsed Democrat Barack Obama for president.

The former Iowa congressman's announced his support on Tuesday as part of a group of GOP activists crossing party lines this year.

Leach told reporters on a conference call: ''I'm convinced that the national interest demands a new approach to our interaction with the world.'' He said Obama offers the leadership to do that. He also predicted that a lot of Republicans and independents are going to be attracted by Obama's campaign.

Leach lost his bid for another term in office in 2006. He was a foreign service officer before being elected to Congress.

His endorsement came as the campaign planned to launch a new Web site to get Republicans to vote for Obama.

Organizers say their goal is not to raise campaign cash for him, but outline the differences between his Republican rival John McCain and the Illinois Democrat. Its Web address will be announced in the next couple days.






and boy, if there is a sign of the times in the Congressional elections, its stuff like this.

STAT OF THE DAY:

More than 37,000 Democrats in Hawaii participated in this year's caucus for either Barack Obama or Hillary Rodham Clinton. In 2004, the number of Democratic caucus voters in the state was 4,000.

 Greenway

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Posted: 8/12/2008 1:14:22 PM
Yup, those neo cons have been doing a bang up job. Where do you people come from?

^
Hehe...Remember: despite the fandango surrounding Obama, the country is still center-right. This election will be a referendum on Obama and whether people can get over their concerns about him: he's too liberal, too inexperienced, too young, too risky, too unknown.

If John McCain seizes on the differences, Democrat vs Republican, regarding the need to drill now vs taxing and waiting for us to develop alternative fuels, he'll win in a landslide. You guys can all say what you want but this is really a race for the better of two evils. At least with someone like J. McCain at least you know what you'll get, at least he'll stand side by side with our guys and gals in uniform and if we're attacked, he'll do whatever it takes. With BHO we'll have to wait until they talk and talk and talk and then maybe get a French guy to act as an arbiture because BHO would be Burned Out from all that talking.
 oscarz05

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Posted: 8/12/2008 1:19:09 PM
Admiral Yamamoto and General Dwight David Eisenhower.

"there is no last word in diplomacy."



our entire theory of military stategy is based on the Liddell-Harts writings on the art of war which are based on Sun-Tzu's brilliant writings on the subject.

both of them agree. the most effective military strategy avoids battle at all cost.

you guys need to watch fewer Stallone movies. its how we got ourselves into this mess in the first place.
 HalftimeDad

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Posted: 8/12/2008 3:34:31 PM

I will debate American politics with American citizens all day long. I will not do so with foreign nationals.


Easy enough to do. But not easy to do if you come to a Canadian website. We have opinions in this country, and nobody gets called unpatriotic here if they express them either.
 exodusi1

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Posted: 8/12/2008 3:38:17 PM
He doesn't represent all of us, I have met hundreds, if not thousands of Canadians. . .

I love you all, . . . well, most of you anyway!
 woobytoodsday

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Posted: 8/12/2008 4:09:01 PM
Makes no sense. . .


80% of current off shore drilling permits are NOT being used. Only one oil refinery permit has been issued in the past 30 years, and it has NOT been built. Refineries are operating at 80% (instead of the usual 95%) -- don't you feel *used*?

Now if you wanted to drive oil prices up, what better way than to *create* a shortage by not refining. . . . If you wanted to elect another oil-friendly President, why not *create* a fuss over oil, right now? Most Americans are not aware that there's only enough oil in ANWR to provide the US with six month of oil (at present rate), and even if you drilled in ANWR, it wouldn't be "on-line" for 10 or 15 years, so is virtually ZERO help with what's going on right now.

As I said: don't you feel used? I do.


 exodusi1

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Posted: 8/12/2008 5:02:03 PM
Because it is one of the few untouched natural regions on the planet. That is far more imporant than the 3-5 cents it will save in ten years.
 faith2565

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Posted: 8/12/2008 6:40:39 PM
Once again, if you are tired of hearing Obama's name, stop talking about him McCain and Clinton supporters.

Obama 08
 Strongdad

Joined: 6/9/2007
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Posted: 8/12/2008 6:59:58 PM
In order for us to get the truth out about Obama, we have to talk about him. Our plan is working.
 woobytoodsday

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Posted: 8/12/2008 9:05:27 PM
Well, McCain is against drilling in ANWR -- his words "pristine wilderness" so he's some up on our current President. But neither do I especially think that killing the Federal Gas Tax for the summer, or offering a $300,000,000 prize to an automaker for designing an electric car is doing to do us much good.

My daughter-in-law is a nuclear physicist who's been working on where to dump nuclear waste, and she's not all that hot on nuclear power plants until we figure out *that* one, so I'll go with the professional here.

Obama's agreed to limited off-shore drilling, but I think, frankly, that's a sucker punch, since as I pointed out, off shore drilling could be being done as we speak if the oil companies wished to be doing it.

Nothing either of them proposes is going to fix things short term, and it'd be well if they'd just admit it. But I do have to say I'm more than a bit offended that peeps who are getting tax breaks paid for by you and me are at the same time pulling in *record* profits. Aren't you?

And ya, keeping your car tuned up, raising your tire inflation, and learning how to drive would all help in the short run. Not much else *will.*



edit>> Just found this, which I thought was *very* interesting ~~
http://www.newspress.com/Top/Article/article.jsp?Section=LOCAL&ID=565349676472598595


JUNEAU, Alaska (AP) - In this staunchly Republican state, the Fairbanks North Star Borough mayor has broken party ranks and publicly endorsed presumed Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.

Mayor Jim Whitaker said he is not rescinding his party affiliation, just backing the person he believes is best suited for the job.

''Our nation is in need of leadership the country as a whole can believe in,'' Whitaker said.

He described Obama as a ''man of significant and promising judgment. I think we need that at this time.''


. . . .


Whitaker said he liked Obama's forward-looking energy that includes development of renewable and alternative energy that can benefit the resource-rich state.

''If we are as a nation concerned with energy, then our consideration should be a national energy policy that is not predicated on crude oil 50 years into the future,'' Whitaker said. ''We need to get to it, and I think Barack Obama is very clear in that regard.''

Whitaker once supported McCain, in the 2000 primary, but McCain's support for the war in Iraq changed that.

''(McCain) made the adamant statement that, 'I know how to win wars,''' Whitaker said. ''Those were some telling moments for me.

''That is a damned poor approach to public policy, and it's a damned poor approach to national policy. I would like a president who has the wisdom to avoid wars.''

Whitaker's district is heavily tied to the military, and includes both the Army's Fort Wainwright and Eielson Air Force Base.

''I'm an American first, an Alaskan second and a Republican third,'' Whitaker said. ''I think it's in the country's best interest, and the state's best interest that Barack Obama become president. There are those who will criticize it; that's part of being in politics.''
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 8/13/2008 7:37:44 AM
Perhaps a sign of how "burnt out" the population is on Obama ?

Candidates
Obama, Barack IL McCain, John AZ
$51,818,371 Jun'08 Raised $25,871,877
$23,295,381 Jun'08 Spent $26,196,488
$339,216,317 Total Raised $145,466,201
$267,545,993 Total Spent $109,829,375
$71,670,324 Cash on Hand $35,636,825
$890,921 Debts $1,453,172

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.php


How come this guy that's so experienced , in a time where everyone is burnt out on him, is roughly raising double the money, and running less debt, than the guy with twenty five years of experience in political office ?


Michael J. Malbin, executive director of the nonpartisan Campaign Finance Institute, said that although Obama had raised an unprecedented $165 million from those who donated in increments of less than $200, "he cannot raise $150 million or whatever his budget says he needs without going to large contributors."

A review of the campaign finance reports filed over the weekend with the Federal Election Commission showed that attorneys accounted for at least $2.4 million of the $20.3 million the three Obama joint committees raised.

People who listed their occupations as investors or said they worked for investment houses contributed at least an additional $2.85 million. Individuals who said they were chief executive officers, company presidents or board chairmen chipped in $1.8 million. The entertainment industry accounted for $1.5 million.

McDonald's President Donald Thompson and Pepsi Chairman Robert Pohlad each gave $28,500. The Pohlad family, including Minnesota Twins owner Carl Pohlad, gave a combined $170,000 to Democratic committees.

Entertainers who donated $28,500 to the committees include producers Frederick W. Field and Steven Bochco and his wife, Dayna, and actors Samuel L. Jackson and Edward Norton.

NBA star LeBron James donated $20,000.

In several instances, couples doubled their donations. Professional poker player Phil Ivey and his wife, Luciaetta, for example, each gave $33,100 to the Obama Victory Committee. New York writer and entrepreneur Steven Brill and his wife, attorney Cynthia Brill, donated $61,600 last month, with $4,600 going to Obama's presidential campaign and the rest going to one of the party's joint fundraising committees.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-money23-2008jul23,0,2972137.story


It seems the presidents of McDonalds, Pepsi, the owner of the Twins, and untold numbers of Americans (the one's who gave that 165 million in shots of $200 dollars) all seem to have no problems with any burn out at all.

It seems that inexperienced , black/white/mixed race , empty suited, Anti-Christ/Muslim , (feel free to add others) is doing pretty well on the finance side - across the board.

The rich and the poor, together for once.


Even more interesting than the sums is how they break down. According to the Obama campaign, the average donation in June was just $68. McCain previously claimed his average contribution was $138 in 2007, but wikileaks.com suggests it was actually over $350. Even $138 is more than double Obama's June average, making it clear Obama is actually receiving smaller donations from more donors.

Factcheck.org, a nonpartisan voter advocate site run by the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, could not compute an exact average from either campaign but said "persons giving less than $200 account for 47 percent of Obama's donations and 26 percent of McCain's."


McCain's top fundraisers, over 500 of them, raised over $75 million through June, making up over half of McCain's total. Obama's top 500 have raised about $50 million through May, also a large sum, but still less than one-fifth of his receipts through May.

The Obama campaign has consistently appealed to small donations from first-time donors and people who can only afford to donate small sums. Campaign manager David Plouffe has asked for as little as $5 in a video sent to supporters, and the campaign has encouraged $5 donations to be considered for backstage passes to the open convention. Obama's online donation form has a $10 option, while McCain's smallest is $25 (both have blank options as well.) McCain's campaign also has an option bubble for an $9200 joint contribution to a General Election Legal and Accounting Compliance (GELAC) Fund, since the maximum donation an individual can make to the campaign is $2300 for the primary and $2300 for the general election.

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/election08/251


More money, from more people.

If that's a sign of burn out, where does one sign up to qualify ?
 Pickme83

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Posted: 8/13/2008 9:37:32 AM

It seems the presidents of McDonalds, Pepsi, the owner of the Twins, and untold numbers of Americans (the one's who gave that 165 million in shots of $200 dollars) all seem to have no problems with any burn out at all.


I thought that Obama wasn't going to take contributions from Corporations because of a conflict of interest. But it is ok to take money from CEO's of companies? Isn't that the same conflict of interest. What happened to the politician that I onced liked that claimed he was different than the rest? Now it seems like he is like the rest with just less experience.
 woobytoodsday

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Posted: 8/13/2008 12:19:15 PM
For the poster above me /\/\/\/\/\/\
McDonald's President Donald Thompson and Pepsi Chairman Robert Pohlad each gave $28,500. The Pohlad family, including Minnesota Twins owner Carl Pohlad, gave a combined $170,000 to Democratic committees.

Entertainers who donated $28,500 to the committees include producers Frederick W. Field and Steven Bochco and his wife, Dayna, and actors Samuel L. Jackson and Edward Norton.

NBA star LeBron James donated $20,000.


The big donations are to Democratic Committees NOT the campaign. Maximum amount allowed to campaigns is $2,000 each for primary and for the general. Obama is approaching 2,000,000 *individual donors* (as opposed to bundled/corporate donors).



One of the best political analysts I know (from one of my political blogs). Worth posting here:


<div class="quote"> Fun With Politics
By Tom Bearse on Aug 13, 2008 10:41 AM EDT

It must be increasingly clear to people that the race for the White House occurs on two tracks. Specifically, there is the horserace on which the media reports, replete obsessive attention to trivial minutiae like embarrassing gaffes, vice presidential selections, the private lives of candidates and, particularly, exposing the acrimony between campaigns of candidates from both the same and opposite parties.

Then there is the policy and process track, or boring track if you will, which is conducted here, on other blogs, and in the political press on a more cerebral level, where all the fireworks occurs because of differences with candidates' platform policies, issue positions and votes.

The result, an elected president, occurs when all of the people who followed one, both, or neither of these tracks go to the polls. For this reason I see the opinion polls showing a close race now as fatuous.

They're a function of the horserace coverage. These two concurrent tiers of the election campaign also help explain why, for example, Obama is regarded as some milquetoast moderate by steaming, seething political junkies on tier two while, at the same time, he is called a Marxist by cretinous radio hosts like Mark Levin on tier one, the fluffy light entertainment track.

This analysis helps to provide evidence of the fact that both opinions are extremes that poorly reflect reality. The reality can be distilled from the totality of influences that affect public opinion, which will begin to coalesce in October. Viewed this way, as the economy continues to sicken and Bush becomes ever more the punchline to a national joke, it is easy to see how Obama will riding the crest of a Democratic landslide this November. Don't be distracted.


 Strongdad

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Posted: 8/13/2008 12:25:28 PM
LOL. Keep pretending Obama is running against Bush.

By the way, I am enjoying what Obama has to say in his own book. It gives one another reason not to vote for him. Interesting, indeed.


Landslide........LOL.......you must really believe he is Reagan, afterall.

SD
 woobytoodsday

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Posted: 8/13/2008 12:35:40 PM
SD, since McCain has voted with the Bush Administration this past year at a 95% rate, I'd say that Obama *is* running against BushII, lol! Long gone are the days of the "maverick" -- if it *ever* was genuine, grin.


 Pickme83

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Posted: 8/13/2008 12:38:58 PM

The big donations are to Democratic Committees NOT the campaign. Maximum amount allowed to campaigns is $2,000 each for primary and for the general.


And that almost eliminates the idea that candidates can bought. Just parties. Why did Obama elect out of public financing? He preached the idea as a new kind of politics. A politician without a hidden agenda.
 HalftimeDad

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Posted: 8/13/2008 12:41:29 PM
Yup, let's not live in a world of pretend.

W is the worst and most unpopular President in your country's history. Of course the other party wants to make the election about him and his policies. Hell, McCain's own party picked him because he was seen as the most anti-Bush and the commentators that have hailed Bush for 8 years lined up solidly against him. Personally, I think if McCain attacked W and his policies even more strongly than Obama is, he'd win. Everyone wants a chance to vote against Bush; he should position himself as the anti-Bush candidate.
 Strongdad

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Posted: 8/13/2008 12:52:16 PM
Maverick......genuine? Of course not....he was knighted as such by Democrats.

We have two candidates the media wanted us to have.....not the people.

Obama (and his supporters) should, however, probably avoid bashing others for their relationships with lobbyists and special interests.......Although I may have sold some people on the premise that he is "different" than other politicians, the evidence is pointing the other direction.


Let's all just admit, the only difference is his lack of experience at getting things done in DC. 143 days in senate does not a presidential candidate make. grin.
 faith2565

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Posted: 8/13/2008 7:55:09 PM
In order to have a landslide you have to first get in the lead.

Obama 08
 blady

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Posted: 8/13/2008 10:09:21 PM

I thought that Obama wasn't going to take contributions from Corporations because of a conflict of interest. But it is ok to take money from CEO's of companies? Isn't that the same conflict of interest. What happened to the politician that I onced liked that claimed he was different than the rest? Now it seems like he is like the rest with just less experience.


These executives gave money from their own personal funds, ( they receive huge salaries)the same as the assembly line worker at General Motors . These workers are donating funds from their own bank accounts..is this a conflict of interest?. Everyone is employed by some company or corperation , does this mean that no one can donate because it would be a conflict of interest?
Does this mean the Burgur King worker cannot donate because his wages are paid by the Corporation known as Burgur King. If so this means that no one who works for a corporation can donate because of conflict of interest concerns!!!
 JLT88

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Posted: 8/14/2008 5:33:13 PM
The polls suggest that Obamania is starting to fade. The site "electoral-vote.com" updates the numbers in each state on a regular basis. Not long ago, McCain trailed Obama by more than 100 electoral votes. Now it's a horse race.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/
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