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Posted: 9/1/2008 7:21:48 AM | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ The question wasn't whether the points above had been discussed before, the question was WHY are Christians so against Obama. The fact that we've discussed these in other threads, or that you don't agree with them, doesn't make the answers any less valid.
Those ARE the reasons why Christians are against Obama. | |
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| Dobson is going to rain on the Obama Parade
Posted: 9/1/2008 7:32:24 AM | Perhaps so, but were they ever NOT for the Republicans, who have been their traditional place of refuge politically ? I don't remember ANY "right wing" Christian group coming out for Democrats.
Can you me name one of such groups ?
So in fact the question may be that these same "Christians" were never in any danger of deserting the Republican party for Democrats no matter WHO the Democratic candidate was.
Traditionally, Democratic candidates are in support of some issues that this extreme right side of the Christian spectrum will NEVER accept.
One has to assume that the "Christians" in that definition are indeed in this group, as Obama is certainly attracting Christian voters outside this group. | |
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| Dobson is going to rain on the Obama Parade
Posted: 9/1/2008 7:42:50 AM |
all over the world and the USA people who know that God is love are praying for Obama to become President and people who never prayed to any one or thing are hoping he will win.
lol, umm not all of them!
and this sort of over the top sentiments both what i quoted above and most any thing Dobson says is what fuels the dissent between the "camps" instead of shedding any light on what they want to do, and HOW they are going to do it.
This same old - "hate the other guy and love me" of most politicians AND THIER FOLLOWERS is just stupid. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 7:56:37 AM | | POLITICIANS and CRIMINALS have ALWAYS and WILL ALWAYS be friends.. If they are not ONE AND THE SAME....!! If you can, PLEASE GO OR CALL THE RED CROOS AND TRY TO HELP... People is going to need it. The other ( just about to turn into a hurricane) storm is headed to the east coast. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. DOBSON !!! Next time please make sure the rain goes to where is needed..!!! What a bunch of CHARLATANS and LOOSERS. And what amaze me the most is that people ACTUALLY believes the crap they say. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 7:57:16 AM | For an individual who claims to have acquired her education from Havard, such depth of ignorance is nothinng astounding. There is no black church that could hope equal the KKK's nefarious activities. Killing white people? Burning churches? The police would mount a crusade that would not cease until every member was dead and buried. There was a group called the black panthers that espoused as much hate as the KKK. They were annihlated. The KKK stil thrives. Our society only permits one-way hatred. Hate church?' an interesting notion. It is no doubt the norm where you come from to stand up and challenge a minister in his own church when you disagree with him. That isn't considered appropriate in most circles. And why was denouncing the pastor so crucial? It was the price he had to pay to appease your outraged virtues? The man brought him to christianity, and so was actually a family friend. Perhaps in your advanced society people immediately denounce their friends at the first sign of trouble. In fact the sanctimonious rabble would have been the first to point accusing fingers 'look at him flee from his friends - see how resolved he is in times of trouble.'
Christians who are pro-life fanatics. Gotta love the concept. We fault the muslims for being intolerant. How about our beloved pro-lifers. There is nothing wrong with thinking abortion is wrong. So do I, like most Catholics. The difference between us and the sanctimonious rabble is that you would have Congress legislate your opinions. Because you believe abortion is wrong, it ought to be the law of the land. Regardless of whether others believe the same thing. Why stop there? I happen to think that not recycling is a capital offense. Lets criminalize that as well, while we are drafting laws. If Christianity is about tolerance, oh how far you've fallen from the tree. This is the same party that is against gay rights, but whose leaders molest their pages in Congress and have sex in public latrines. The church was the most prominent social institution for African-Americans for a long time. Their most prominent leaders came from within. Dissociating yourself from the church as a black person would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. That's changing now of course, but that's neither here nor there. Its amusing when Caucasians accuse blacks of racism. What would you know? I encounter it everyday in society. I graduated from U of M and I am currently in law school, but I haven't escaped it. Obama hasn't escaped it either, despite being half white. But I don't dwell on it. You should be talking. Those who live in glass houses should avoid using catapaults. The result is usually tragic. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 7:58:22 AM | Because they aren't really Christians!
It has nothing to do with Obama, it has to do with the character of those "hating" him. Anyone who was praying for rain on the Democratic Party, is NOT a true Christian! | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 8:14:08 AM | Flyonthewall!, I call Bullshit!
I am sure that there are many reasons but here are the ones that come to mind:
1) His former church is more or less the black version of the KKK, i.e., racist.
Show me one reference where Trinity Church of Christ has lynched, murdered, raped, burned crosses on front lawns, caused a massacre, promoted slavery, threatened people, threatened judges and politicians, or held public rallies to promote hate of ethnic and religious groups????
2) He belonged to that hate church for 20 years.
John Hagee, Jerry Falwell, Lou Dobson, Pat Robertson, have all advocated KILLING people who don’t agree with them or the Bush Administration. AND THESE MEN ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PREECHERS OF THE GOSPELL????
Barack Obama has never advocated anything like this and he's not even preacher, he's a politician who promotes hope, faith, the ability of the people to raise up and fix their situation with personal responsibility, Help for the poor, comfort for the sick, and justice for the oppressed.
Maybe Obama learned some good things in the 20 years he sat in the pews at trinity that those other Idiots didn’t learn in 20+ years of screaming from the pulpit!
3) He pretended that he didn't know it was a racist church, even though other prominent black people left it for that reason.
I love how people want to dissect Rev. Wrights (sound bite), and not the whole sermon, but please explain to me where Wright was wrong??
America has done and continues to do PLENTY of grimy things all around the world, and the people of this country burry their heads in the sand instead of rallying against these actions just proves to the world what Hypocrites we really are!
P.S Rev. Wright is a Marine who served his country and rose through the ranks.
He served his country at a time when his country wouldn’t even allow him to drink from the same fountains or eat in the same restaurants.
4) He refused initially to denounce that church or it's pastor, even after being beaten over the head with evidence of the above.
Why should he, The pastor was calling it like it is, not how these religious leaders do nowadays pandering to peoples prejudices, promoting peoples fears, and wishing for the downfall of anyone who promotes the process of Free Thinking, all while passing the collection plate to pay for the stadium church and the G-4 private jet.
5) He maintains criminals as close personal friends.
Barack was 8 years old at the time, try again.
6) His position on abortion turns off the many Christians who are pro-life.
Are these the same "Christians" who want America to kill Muslims and political leaders in other nations who don’t agree with the Bush Administration policies?
Are these the same "Christians" who reference another president in the history of this country who died after catching pneumonia in a rain soaked convention and compare that to Baracks chances of getting rained on as per the fervent prayers of the Dobson flock?
To sum up, give the above, they question his ethics.
If you want to question ethics look no further than McCains constant cheating on his wife, or him marrying Cindy before his divorce was completed to his first wife, or how about the Keaton 5, or aligning himself with the above so called "preachers" and accepting their endorsements (before rejecting them under the scrutiny of the media spotlight)
How about caving to Bush on torture of humans, or improper relationships with female lobbyists?
Yes.... Very ethical indeed
Barack Obama:
1. Family Man, raising two wonderful daughters
2. No marital infidelities,
3. Preaches the importance of family values and fathers being there for their children regardless of what the situations is with the mother,
4. Christian,
5. Promotes taking care of the community and the poor/middle class (getting harder to tell them apart nowadays)
6. Promotes capitalism where prosperity trickles up rather than an aristocracy where money supposedly trickles down.
7. No criminal investigations pending, in process, nor planned.
8. Not controlled even remotely nor funded by special interests
And same goes for his running mate Joe Biden
Now that’s Change We can believe in.
I'm Blacksheep, and I approve this message
"Killing Bullshit like a Matador since 2005!"
Obama/Biden 08' :yay:
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| Dobson is going to rain on the Obama Parade
Posted: 9/1/2008 10:22:31 AM | lol, umm not all of them!
The spotlight in my post was on the ones who are praying for Obama to become president I know that not every one is. If I had worded it "all over the world and the USA people are praying for Obama to become President and people who never prayed to any one or thing are hoping he will win." then you could say I was saying all people I did not.
Christians are to pray for God's chioce to make it into the White House not harm on any one. We know a person is Christian when we see the love they have for God and His creation. We know a person is Christian once we see how they treat and talk about others. We know a person is wise when we can look at them in the light of James 3 and say yes this is the person. As McCain fails this test. Any one who is praying for Gods chioce is praying for Obama to win. If they are praying for God's best they are praying for Obama to win. If they are praying for a wise leader... The only way they could be praying for McCain to win is if they say God let McCain win. Any other phrase is for Obama to win.
I'm pro life and straight I know that God even in the person of Jesus nor any of the books of the Bible never said we are to keep people who are outside the family/faith from acting like it just show them love and stay away from doing the acts with them.
Blacksheep that post was awsome | |
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| Dobson is going to rain on the Obama Parade
Posted: 9/1/2008 10:28:23 AM | | Actually, very few Christians are 'against' Obama, if any at all. The ones that claim to be Christian and are against Obama are what we call the 'Tennessee Taliban' nutcases who claim to be Christian but are actually just a pack of fanatics. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 10:30:26 AM | Funny, dimwit dobson's prayers didn't happen while the republicans are scrambling with hurricane Gustav burgeoning on. Hmmm... wonder who's side god is on now? | |
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| Dobson is going to rain on the Obama Parade
Posted: 9/1/2008 10:37:13 AM | "who was praying for rain on the Democratic Party, is NOT a true Christian!"
hehehehe. I had forgotten about Dobson's prayer. hehehhehee. ahem. Yes, I learned long ago to be careful what I pray for. I might not like the answer.
The prayer for Democratic Party rain was answered with a hurricane impacting the Republican Party. Yeppers. This is exactly why I am very careful how I pray. They boomerang. So, if I pray for something for someone else I had better be prepared to be the one that get's it.
I was taught to pray: God grant ___insert name(s)__ health, wealth, happiness, peace and serenity. Then enjoy being the one to receive it. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 10:48:49 AM | "Flyonthewall!, I call Bullshit!"
Rightly so, but it doesn't seem to help much. Like MG said, same inane topics that have been well covered before, but as one of those boys in Germany said: "lie, lie, lie, something will stick." | |
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| Dobson is going to rain on the Obama Parade
Posted: 9/1/2008 10:55:16 AM |
Those ARE the reasons why Christians are against Obama. If those indeed are the reasons Christians are against Obama, then we are in deep trouble. That would imply that Christians are stupid, and easily mislead. I don't believe that, and hope you don't either. Other posters have refuted the reasons point by point, so I will not repeat them. I thought Blacksheep's response was particularly clear.
Perhaps the time will come that we will stop viewing our political opponents in terms of good and evil; Christianity against the Anti-Christ. We all know it is no such thing. This country was founded and continues to be a place where multiple religions may live in peace together. Diversity is our strength, not our weakness. Tolerance is also a family value.
I'm sorry to say to those who support the GOP, but I think the poitical pendulum has swung much to far to the right. Despite Senator McCain's being an honorable person, and some effort to swing the Republicans back toward the center, I think at this point the Democrats are out best hope of pushing the pendulum back towards the center.
Naturally we'll overshoot, and your chance will come again. In which case I'll again support the needed push towards the center. Which will probably be from the otther side. But that's not now, or for many years. Today, we need to get these extemists out.
If flyonthewall! and others still support the GOP, despite all evidence, it simply means that those of us who see it differently must work harder to change things.
Mixing religion and politics ought to be a no-no. But it isn't. Hard to dissuade someone who believes that God is in favor of a particular course of action. | |
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| Dobson is going to rain on the Obama Parade
Posted: 9/1/2008 11:51:30 AM | Those are definitely NOT the real reasons to reject Obama (those are invalid, irrational, and unsubstantial reasons to reject Obama). It would be like rejecting McCain because of his Repeated Adultry (which is clearly immoral and wrong Biblically according to the 1o Commandments and Jesus' own words). McCain has admitted his wrongdoing and Obama has renounced allegianced/connections with Rev Wright. So, you can't really fault either of them anymore on these past issues.
Obama has clarified his FAITH IN CHRIST in his 2nd book, "The Audacity of Hope" and certifies this same faith on his website, in his speeches, and during interviews. Plus, you can't see into his heart and make that decision. It's not your job.
So, to reject Obama is to reject one of Christ's own. Obama hasn't done anything overtly and openly wrong morally or personally. His Abortion stance reflects a political decision considering he is part of the Democratic Party. Obama is AGAINST abortion but believes that ultimately it is women's choice in the end.
It is completely valid to be a CHRISTIAN WHO SUPPORTS OBAMA!! | |
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| Dobson is going to rain on the Obama Parade
Posted: 9/1/2008 5:05:43 PM | vvendy you wrote.
all over the world and the USA people who know that God is love are praying for Obama to become President and people who never prayed to any one or thing are hoping he will win.
and I said not all of them,
and you responded with
The spotlight in my post was on the ones who are praying for Obama to become president I know that not every one is. If I had worded it "all over the world and the USA people are praying for Obama to become President and people who never prayed to any one or thing are hoping he will win." then you could say I was saying all people I did not.
I am pretty sure there are a lot of people who know God is Love is praying for Obama, I am also pretty sure that there are a lot of people who know God is Love who are not Christian. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 9:29:52 PM | why would any one who knows God is love not be Christian? Other caim to be followers of a god of love or one that is loving. Some are raised with a mean god who is ready to zap them. That is not part of this thread and I wish to stay on topic. If you do not know the difference in what I said and what you implied I said then sue your English teacher.
Dobson's web site was not being Christian at that time and has repented so it is no longer on there. If you want to see the request and rebutt I posted the links and if you want to here what Dobson says about McCain I posted that link too. you can watch listen and post about that here any other thing topic I will not read. | |
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Posted: 9/2/2008 1:33:23 PM | I apologize, in advance, for being long winded.
I feel there are people that are just mean spirited. Some of these people are preachers, some are Republicans, some are Democrats and some are parents of innocent children. This doesnt mean all preachers are bad, or all Republicans or all Democrats are bad. Its people in general. Also, there are people who like to argue and fight. Some people are into drama, others arent. Some people will fight over anything and everything, including rain.Some folks would rather not waste energy fighting. Personally I like the debating arena, but I wont back down from a good fight. BUT, I will use good judgement and respect, as I expect others to do also.
I like knowing what others are feeling, and why they want to vote the way they are. Im actually learning a lot here. Im not nasty, but some might call me mean... Im not, actually. Im a very nice and cuddly teddy bear. Do you see how comical this is?
Its all in what your prospective is. Our skin has become so thin..our morals so thin, our patience so thin....(rap music should be outlawed along with spandex) and where is the editor of these orgasmic shampoo comercials?? What is over the line? What is offensive? Can you sue someone because the coffee, (that is bought Because its hot) spills on your lap and burns you or that you called my kid fat?
We are just way too thin skinned and too touchy now days..but on the other side of that coin, people are more mean spirited, angry and down right vicious now days. Just my observation.
Reminds me of a joke:
I like the old days. My kids say I was born in the black and white days. And they were right.
SCHOOL: 1957 vs 2007
Scenario :
Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1957
Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2007
School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.
Scenario:
Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1957
Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2007
Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.
Scenario:
Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
1957
Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007
Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.
Scenario :
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1957
Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007
Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with psychologist.
Scenario :
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1957
Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock.
2007
Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.
Scenario :
Pedro fails high school English.
1957
Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
2007
Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.
Scenario :
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.
1957
Ants die.
2007
BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.
Scenario :
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1957
In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2007
Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.
This should hit every e-mail to show how stupid we have become!
And if we do not wake up and take our country back - WE will not have a country , nor a society to grow old in or for our children to grow up in.
Vote wisely. | |
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| Dobson is going to rain on the Obama Parade
Posted: 9/3/2008 2:36:41 PM | Scenario:1957
Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
Actual scenario, because it was me.
1970, Jeffrey CAN'T be still in class, disrupts other students.
Jeffrey sent to principle's office and given a good paddling. Returns to class, and still can't sit still, visits principle's office again and again. Gigantic male teacher becomes disgusted with Jeffrey, repeatedly embarrasses Jeffrey in front of the class and asks him why him mom didn't teach him to behave. Jeffrey is repeatedly removed from the gifted-students classroom by teacher and made to sit outside its door when the teacher doesn't feel like dealing with him. One day Jeffrey gets a bit tired of this treatment and walks home. Single mom asks why, Jeffrey spills story, mom is tempted to grab her .45 to blow off the teachers head, but has no recourse but let her son to continue to be abused. Jeffrey decides he's not up for the abuse any more and starts kicking the living crap out of every kid who utters a negative word toward him. As Jeffrey gets older he doesn't respect teachers, and learns to fight back with a smart mouth. One male high school teacher throws an eraser at the smart ass, smart ass throws DESK at teacher. Hello, continuation high school for a semester. Jeffrey claws his way out of high school, has no desire to see a teacher ever again, joins Army. Gets out of Army runs into old gigantic male teacher. Jeffrey has a few things to say, but teacher cuts him off with an apology. Tells him how the way he treated Jeffrey and others wrong and that he had an epiphany when he had kids of his own. Now teaches the handicapped and gentle as a mouse.
2007
Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability
Jeffrey sees the signs in his own son and studies treatment options. Decides on a mild course of treatment with tons of positive interaction. Son does well in school, rarely a behavior problem. Son enjoys high school, excels at sports, has great group of friends, and enters the adult world in a much more positive fashion than Jeffrey did.
Point is, this ridiculous post of yours is the kind of spoon fed thought process that pervades politics, the media, and everyday life. Box a thought process into a few cute inaccurate scenarios and you've spoon fed an opinion of what's wrong with this country.
What's wrong with this country indeed. | |
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| Dobson is going to rain on the Obama Parade
Posted: 9/4/2008 12:00:24 AM |
espite Senator McCain's being an honorable person
I question that. You might recall that the Bush administration accused McCain of having a black child out of wedlock when they knew full well that his wife adopted an Indian child. What did McCain do besides supporting 90% of every piece of legislation Bush waived in front of his nose? What's that about? Loving your enemy?
http://www.mypagehome.com/bushhug.jpg
Can you sue someone because the coffee, (that is bought Because its hot) spills on your lap and burns you
Uh, yes you can.
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm | |
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