{Well could it be that my conspiracy theorys are true? There are conservative christians planted in congress and their plan is to sytematically convert the world to a one world religion?}


Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say it is a world wide conspiracy, but did anyone watch "God's Warriors" on CNN last night?? Oh my, some scary shite there, wow. Many of Falwell's cronies and evangelicals actually say that their aim is to get a Republican elected so that two of the old folks in the Supreme Court can be replaced with their choice of judges who are staunch advocates of ID, zero rights to homosexuals and gay marriage, criminal abortion legislation and women have no say in the affairs of the church. I swear, I am not making this up.....

kissnguy said: homosexuals have no core values

I said: I find that very offensive. What evidence do you have to support such a bigoted claim?

kissinguy said: Simple...I never said it

kissnguy said: homosexuals have no core values
I said: I find that very offensive. What evidence do you have to support such a bigoted claim?

kissinguy said: Simple...I never said it

Of course you did. It's a direct quote. And that's a lot more empirical than making up stuff that other people are supposed to be saying and then attacking them for it.

Do either of you have any proof of these wild conspiracies or are you making it up as you go along? Any proof? Other than anecdotal opinions? Thanks so much if you do.

Edit: Do either of you have any proof of these wild conspiracies or are you making it up as you go along? Any proof? Other than anecdotal opinions? Thanks so much if you do.

"Most people hear them talk about a 'Christian nation' and think, 'Well, that sounds like a good, moral thing,' says the Rev. Mel White, who ghostwrote Jerry Falwell's autobiography before breaking with the evangelical movement. "What they don't know -- what even most conservative Christians who voted for Bush don't know -- is that 'Christian nation' means something else entirely to these Dominionist leaders. This movement is no more about following the example of Christ than Bush's Clean Water Act is about clean water."

After helping found the Moral Majority in 1979, Kennedy became a five-star general in the Christian army. Bush sought his blessing before running for president -- and continues to consult top Dominionists on matters of federal policy.

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"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost," Kennedy says. "As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in short, over every aspect and institution of human society."

The appeal to evangelicals went further. On April 29, 1985, Billy Graham, the respected and world famous evangelist, told Pat Robertson’s audience on the 700 Club show that:

“[T]he time has come when evangelicals are going to have to think about getting organized corporately….I’m for evangelicals running for public office and winning if possible and getting control of the Congress, getting control of the bureaucracy, getting control of the executive branch of government. I think if we leave it to the other side we’re going to be lost. I would like to see every true believer involved in politics in some way shape or form.”

According to Schaeffer, Robertson, and Billy Graham, then arguably the three most famous and influential leaders in the American protestant church world, “God’s people” had a moral duty to change the government of the United States.[17]

in the Supreme Court can be replaced with their choice of judges who are staunch advocates of ID,

Wild conspiracies?? Hell, even Fiddler brought them up in a post somewhere a week or so ago. Fiddler...help!

See, thats the sin that god believers commit...assuming that athiests have no morals. Thats the attitude that offends me the most. That they think you have to believe in god to know right from wrong. Or that their moral compass is the only true direction to take. And when they say core values, what they mean is values that match what they think is right. Example: homosexuals have no core values. So while all of us immoral athiests are running around breathing up all the good air, Mr morality starts a war and sends everyone elses kids off to die in it.

"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost," Kennedy says. "As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in short, over every aspect and institution of human society."

….I’m for evangelicals running for public office and winning if possible and getting control of the Congress, getting control of the bureaucracy, getting control of the executive branch of government.

“God’s people” had a moral duty to change the government of the United States.

But this movement is exactly why I fight against anything christian in the public schools or anywhere else in that their messege inst within the confines of the church.

The Dominionist/Reconstructionist movement is quite real, not a conspiracy or imaginary movement and is a serious threat to religious liberty of all types in North America. The do NOT represent mainstream Christian thought or belief in any way shape or form however.

Meaning it dosent belong on interstate billboards, because whose that messege aimed at? Other christians? No they already have the messege. I believe it's aimed at non-christians in an attempt to reruit new followers for their army.

kissinguy, please take note of the last sentence - (The Dominionist/Reconstructionist Movement) do NOT represent mainstream Christian thought or belief in any way shape or form". Your demonising of Christianity (and by extension Christians) appears to be designed to prop up your own prejudicial attitude by claiming it's based on real and general behaviour of the whole or most of the group........

That's too bad. The Constitution provides protection for them (freedom of religions, expression, and speech) to advertise. Suck it up.

Even your characterisation of atheists as immoral is designed to place those words and thoughts into the group "Christians" the better to serve your own prejudice.

In response to kissinguy taking offence at billboards paid for by Christian groups, I said: That's too bad. The Constitution provides protection for them (freedom of religions, expression, and speech) to advertise. Suck it up.

kissinguy: except that what im refering to is not advertisment, it's a threatening messege.... Why do I have to feel, living in my own country, that I dont get to enjoy living my life the way I chose without this threat hanging over my head. I feel that it violates my constitutional rights.

Show me a christian who dosent think athiests are immoral.

Apparently you don't know where I'm going with this. If I wnated to say your fears are unjustified, I would have said, "your fears are unjustified".