| Obliques and Ab training giving you a thick waist?
Posted: 8/16/2008 9:05:16 PM |
the abdominals of the UFC fighter appear to flex outward slightly, due to the highly developed internal stabilizing muscles and obliques.
They are not sticking out because of that, they are sticking out because they have trained their abs and the rest of their torso is relatively untrained as far as hypertrophy is concerned, if they brought the rest of their body up to par with their abs it would look normal. | |
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| Obliques and Ab training giving you a thick waist?
Posted: 8/17/2008 4:50:10 AM | | I have a concept 2 rower which I use 45-50 minutes a day 5 days a week. I've noticed a similar thing..... where my stomach muscles are bulge outward... .I've got good techiques so I'm not sure what is going on... I know it really works your core but I'm not happy with the result I'm getting .... everywhere esle I'm toned and losing weight... almost looks like a beer belly.....I used to run 30 miles per week and never had a problem like this before.... | |
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| Obliques and Ab training giving you a thick waist?
Posted: 8/17/2008 8:38:07 AM | My apologies- when I said abdominals I meant the entire trunk- for simplicity sake, we'll use the Paul Chek definition (1990) and include the Obliques (externus and internus), the primary abdominus muscle group (transverse and standard), the intercostales, the quadratus lumborum, and various small muscles on the rear of the trunk.
I think you may have it backwards though- UFC fighters train their overall core heavily, the result of which is the slightly outward push of the abs. A bodybuilder will TRADITIONALLY train only the primary abdominal muscles, leaving out functional work in favor of more aesthetically appealing exercises. When was the last time you saw a old-school bodybuilder do an axe chop?? Kneel or stand on a ball?? Partake in Crossfit?? Take a heavy bag over the shoulders for a run up a sand dune?? Half the stuff a bodybuilder traditionally does would get him laughed out of serious Crossfit gyms, and most MMA combatants- especially submission and mat work guys- build a workout around core activities. Now, do note I say I say traditionally because the lines are blurring more and more every day.
As for aesthetic differences in development of abs Vs. chest/other muscle groups, it does depend on the fighter. A guy like Georges St. Pierre, while not having the massive pecs/back of a poser, is still well-built all around, and you can still see the difference between him and a traditional bodybuilder. Matt Serra likewise. And if you REALLY want to see how it looks on a behemoth of a man, try looking at recent pics of Kimbo Slice. That guy has spent months working on his core strength for MMA, but he's still massive in the upper body, a tribute to his streetfighting days. Look at some of the smaller, quicker fighters, however, and the difference is noticeable.
Of course, we're off-topic. The point being is that, for the young lady in question, training obliques and abs won't hurt her overall appearance. | |
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| Obliques and Ab training giving you a thick waist?
Posted: 8/17/2008 11:34:46 AM | Yes I will readily admit that MMA fighters train their core MUCH more intensely than bodybuilders, thus they get hypertrophy in that area and being as how , for the most part, the rest of their body is built like and average guy, their abs are going to stick out while everything else isn't.
Big guys like Kimbo Slice have such hypertrophied abs that even though he is covered in a layer of fat you can still see them, that is why you get the appearance of his abs sticking out, if he got lean they would look normal.
Guys like Georges St. Pierre have SMALL bodies compared to their abs so their abs stick out because even though their bodies are small they still have internal organs that push the abs outward, bodybuilders also have those internal organs of roughly the same size, but the rest of their body is so grossly enhanced that it makes their core area LOOK smaller.
Have you ever seen a child with abs? They are just like fighters, their abs stick out past their chest because they are lean but have no appreciable amount of muscle. | |
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| Obliques and Ab training giving you a thick waist?
Posted: 8/17/2008 10:15:52 PM | Sigh.
Okay, okay.
The OP said she didn't want to get thicker in the middle and I posted advice based on my education and personal experience with my own body and the bodies of my clients. I stand by everything I said.
If anyone ever has a chance to experience private instruction in a fully equipped Pilates studio I strongly encourage them to give it a try. | |
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| Obliques and Ab training giving you a thick waist?
Posted: 8/18/2008 5:41:43 PM | Yeah but not the steroid junkie look, toooo much weight builds thickness, Yes? I'll roll with yoga, levers, plank, prefer static or staibilizing.
Rock hard lady is the BEST! Thick bad | |
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| Obliques and Ab training giving you a thick waist?
Posted: 8/18/2008 7:13:05 PM | | I must say I just about gagged when I read (most of) that lengthy diatribe about what women want and how to get it. I may be in the minority, but I really don't give a rat's ass how I look to some guy. It's all about how I feel and the pride in what my body can do. Serious strength training has given me a far more muscular look than I ever wanted, but I'm continually amazed by what I can do. Nutrition's important, too. Work for yourself and your particular goals. Quit worrying about what everyone else thinks. | |
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| Obliques and Ab training giving you a thick waist?
Posted: 8/20/2008 8:09:04 AM | I've worked with a number of medical and pharmaceutical researchers on various in-vivo and in-vitro studies in the past. These studies have had nothing to do with physical fitness. Biological experiments always had more variability than the experiments from physics and chemistry an engineer usually runs into.
The OP said she didn't want to get thicker in the middle and I posted advice based on my education and personal experience with my own body and the bodies of my clients. I stand by everything I said.
If all of your education was based upon well thought out experiments that had good statistical control, that would be a wonderful thing to base a reply upon. However, I suspect a lot of the experiments behind what is in the education system may not be as good as they could be. How many of us investigate the textbooks we learn from? Do we check the studies referenced? Typically we rely upon the instructor for that, that they would only choose good textbooks to work from.
It is wonderful that your clients (including yourself) have obtained good results as a result of your managing their exercise program. Hopefully this will continue to be true in the future as well. As a basis for proof, it is anecdotal. It is entirely possible that other variables you are not aware of, also participated in the improvement seen.
How often have you heard that something was proved in a clinical setting? A clinical setting is a place where a sample of a population is observed. There is no proving going on, only observations. If something happens in 100% of the clinical studies, it still does not allow you to say it will happen 100% of the time in the population. That some people using clinical studies will have multiple studies running, and they pick and choose which studies get published is bad.
If anyone ever has a chance to experience private instruction in a fully equipped Pilates studio I strongly encourage them to give it a try.
Perhaps one day in the future I will get the chance. | |
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