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 CheshireCatalyst
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Yet when you have reported sightings from trained professional observers such as police officers,park rangers,and military observers,there has to be some grain of truth to it.


Notwithstanding the rest of your claims, this particular comment is a logical fallacy - "appeal to authority." Police officers, park rangers, and military observers are not likely to be experts in biology, anthropology, or taxonomy.

Matthew Whitton, one of the co-conspirators in this latest hoax, is a police officer. His partner-in-crime, Rick Dyer, is a prison guard. Neither profession is exempt from liars and scammers. In fact, both of these guys should be charged with attempt to perpetrate a fraud on the public.

Right about now, all three of them, Bigfoot, Dyer and Whitten are on some Carribean Island drinking Margueritas.....

Tootles......
 Montreal_Guy
Joined: 3/8/2004
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Posted: 8/19/2008 5:37:24 PM
Well, looks like one for the skeptics......


The Bigfoot in the freezer is made of rubber, a Web posting asserted Tuesday.

he initial promoter of two hikers' claim that they found the body of Bigfoot in Georgia said he has determined that the discovery was a hoax.

The body turned out to be rubber, and the two men who claimed that they found it, Matthew Whitton and Rick Dyer, have admitted that it was a costume, said a posting Tuesday on the Web sites of Searching for Bigfoot Inc. and Squatchdetective.

The posting purportedly was written by Steve Kulls, who maintains the Squatchdetective Web site and hosts a similarly named Internet radio program, where the find was announced weeks ago.

In addition, Stanford University anthropologist Richard Klein said Monday that he was not aware he had been identified as participating in the project and would not be involved in any effort to examine the purported Bigfoot carcass.

The hoax was discovered after an "expedited melting process," Kulls wrote. "A break appeared up near the feet area ... as the team and I began examining this area near the feet, I observed the foot which looked unnatural, reached in and confirmed it was a rubber foot."

Kulls said he contacted Tom Biscardi, the self-described "Real Bigfoot Hunter" who has been searching since 1971 for the creature of legend and appeared alongside Whitton and Dyer at the news conference.

"Later that day, Tom Biscardi informed us that both Matthew Whitton and Ricky Dyer admitted it was a costume," the posting said.

Whitton and Dyer reportedly agreed to sign a promissory note and an admission of the hoax and meet with Biscardi at their hotel on Sunday. But when Biscardi went to the hotel, the two had left, Kulls wrote.

"At this time, action is being instigated against the perpetrators," the posting said, adding that the motives behind the claims were unknown.

The posting said Biscardi's organization, Searching for Bigfoot Inc., "is seeking justice for themselves and for all the people who were deceived by this deception."

Kulls did not immediately return a call to the Squatchdetective contact number. A woman answering the phone at Searching for Bigfoot Inc. said Biscardi had been ill and said she was not sure when he would be returning calls.

A number listed as belonging to Matthew Whitton was disconnected as of Tuesday. Efforts to locate a phone number for Dyer on Tuesday were unsuccessful.

Dyer and Whitton failed to show up Monday for a scheduled appearance on CNN's "American Morning."

Kulls said that at the time he first interviewed Dyer on July 28 for the radio program, he suspected the duo's motive was financial. On August 12, he said, the two "requested an undisclosed sum of money as an advance, expected from the marketing and promotion."

Two days later, after signing a receipt and counting the money, Dyer and Whitton showed the Searching for Bigfoot team the freezer containing what they claimed was the body: "something appearing large, hairy and frozen in ice," Kulls wrote.

Dyer, he said, insisted on holding the news conference and told Biscardi he would not release the body unless the briefing was held Friday.

On Sunday, the research team was able to extract some hair and burn it. The hair sample "melted into a ball uncharacteristic of hair," Kulls wrote.

Biscardi then gave the group permission to expedite the melting process, and the rubber foot was discovered, Kulls wrote.

Meanwhile, Klein, the Stanford professor, said Monday that he was "sorry that my name and Stanford's name have been brought into this."

Klein's name was mentioned Friday as one of four scientists, two of them Russian, who would analyze the corpse. Klein said he was unaware that Biscardi had identified him.

He said he had been contacted by Biscardi in the past and responded to a request to examine bones that were identified as coming from a deer.

"He seems like a nice enough guy," Klein said, "but I can't imagine why anyone would devote their lives to proving the existence [of Bigfoot]. Anything has a remote chance of being true, but there is virtually no prospect of this animal being real."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/19/bigfoot.hoax/index.html?iref=mpstoryview


This has to be one of the lamest attempts at a hoax I've heard of.

I trust they all get charged with something for even trying it, especially given their backgrounds. I can't figure out how anyone could ever think they would not wind up in a worse position FOR having tried it, and rather quickly too.

On the other hand, I can kind of imagine two Bigfoot creatures somewhere in the deep woods of the Pacific Northwest giving each other a high five right about now.
 Always Smiling37
Joined: 5/9/2008
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Posted: 8/19/2008 5:51:21 PM

This has to be one of the lamest attempts at a hoax I've heard of.


Definately. How stupid can they be?
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
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Posted: 8/19/2008 6:06:54 PM

Definately. How stupid can they be?

Apparently a shade smarter than anyone who paid any money to them for appearances or merchandise.

And clearly mental giants in comparison to Tom "Fool me once..." Biscardi.
 lovers n friends
Joined: 11/6/2005
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Posted: 8/19/2008 6:12:04 PM
Just supposing ... If true, then why did they kill "big foot"?
It's not like "big foot" was chasing them.
According to one report, they saw a family of "Bigfoots"
(or, would that be "Bigfeet".) (smile)
To refer to a group as a family,
sounds like maybe they considered Bigfoot part human.
Hmmmmmm .... If part human, what does that make the killing?
A game hunt, or ________?
At any rate, where is the compassion,
if "big foot" was doing no harm, and if there were any hints of being part human.
What are the chances that "Big Foot" dropped dead at their feet,
right at the time they saw "Big Foot".
 Pyro74
Joined: 4/23/2006
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Posted: 8/19/2008 8:22:40 PM
The first time I saw pics of this "bigfoot", I knew it was fake. I don't think anybody was surprised by this revelation.

Notwithstanding the rest of your claims, this particular comment is a logical fallacy - "appeal to authority." Police officers, park rangers, and military observers are not likely to be experts in biology, anthropology, or taxonomy.

No, it's not. These people are professional observers. They observe their surroundings, that's their job. If one of these expert observers says they saw a large hairy creature walking upright, then that's probably exactly what they saw. Now you can bring in the other "experts" you mentioned, to figure out what type of creature it was.
 CheshireCatalyst
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Posted: 8/19/2008 9:28:45 PM

If one of these expert observers says they saw a large hairy creature walking upright, then that's probably exactly what they saw


You’re right, you’re absolutely right - we all know that by virtue of their chosen professions, they could never be mistaken and they cannot tell a lie…….because they’re um……….cops, park rangers, and military observers. How about a cop in Georgia stating that he and his buddy found a deceased Bigfoot?

The reality is that out of thousand of bigfoot witness reports, maybe a half dozen are legitimate sightings of “something.” After all, many anecdotal reports of “Bigfoot” are really just a couple of individuals in the woods stating that they had the feeling they were being watched or they saw non-descript shadowy objects– I’ve read such reports on tracking services. Reading these, I've tried my best to suspend reality, and could only wonder what would motivate someone to enter a report on a website recounting a feeling of being watched, back in the 60s, while a child at summer camp.

Yes, some of these of reports of non—descript, shadowy objects were made by rangers and police, in addition to similar reports by truckers, farmers, campers, berry-pickers, indigenous natives, and motorists. That leaves a staggering number of mis-identifications, wild goose chases and hoaxes. Those numbers will also indicate that witnesses have a tendency to imagine that they see Bigfoot, probably by conscious choice. There are not enough Bigfoots/Bigfeet/Bigfooti in the wilderness to support the high volume of witness reports characterized as “true” by various organizations.

The so-called “professional observers” have no more credibility than anyone else, and as we’ve seen in the Georgia case, one of the perps is a cop. So much for his “professional observations,” I guess……

Tootles........
 Beefcakedaddio
Joined: 6/6/2007
Msg: 58
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Posted: 8/19/2008 9:47:55 PM
What the heck was CNN doing reporting this crap. Another fine journalistic institution?
 a bit nomadic
Joined: 6/14/2006
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Posted: 8/19/2008 10:42:26 PM
Well, I just heard CNN announce that it was a hoax. So......

SHOCK!
 mthomjmark
Joined: 2/27/2008
Msg: 60
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Posted: 8/20/2008 2:08:40 AM
OP can you be serious? The second the photos were shown so many people laughed. My exact words were, "its a cross between James Belushi in the ape suit in Trading Places, or the Abominable Snowman in the Cartoon, rudolph the red nosed reindeer with a die job. This guy had done it once before and he does it for the publicity and for the ability to sell more of his bigfoot items in his bigfoot store.

There is so much media in the world, if a mouse farts it's a huge story. Anyone that bought this really needs to get real.
 mthomjmark
Joined: 2/27/2008
Msg: 61
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Posted: 8/20/2008 2:12:50 AM
Yes ND; no evidence; And there are lots of unknown things but that doesn't mean its true; wake me up when they come up with a body. Remember that FOR SURE photo of Nessie? Even that looked fake but people bought it because it was doctor who took it. We choose to believe what we want. Find me a big foot body and I'll believe.

The only one I dont get is the Chupacabra; they have 2 bodies, several videos and pictures, and dead animals. No one says a thing; That I believe; becuase there are bodies and I see it. Proof. Show me Nessie and a Bigfoot, and I'm on board.
 Jackiecan2
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Posted: 8/20/2008 12:11:31 PM
And he hoaxed us again....these guys are a joke!!!!!!

http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1164288

The mystery remains!!!!!
 Stella Blue
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Posted: 8/20/2008 4:07:53 PM

OP can you be serious? The second the photos were shown so many people laughed. My exact words were, "its a cross between James Belushi in the ape suit in Trading Places, or the Abominable Snowman in the Cartoon, rudolph the red nosed reindeer with a die job. This guy had done it once before and he does it for the publicity and for the ability to sell more of his bigfoot items in his bigfoot store.


Good description!

I have seen "eyewitness" accounts of police (not this policeman) and other citizens who saw "something" on the side of the highway somewhere at sometime.....

I look at it like UFOs. I hold open the possibility. At the moment though, they are all avoiding me. What? I bathed!
 guyworthgettingtoknowinpa
Joined: 11/29/2004
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Posted: 8/20/2008 4:32:56 PM
So how did these guys think that they were going to pull off such a lame scam. They had to know that eventully someone would want to take a look at the body and not just a crappy photo of it?
 Del Monty !
Joined: 3/24/2007
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Posted: 8/20/2008 4:47:29 PM
Once had a hairy distant cousin that resembled a possum. We had to stop tellin folks though. Sigh...the possums got pissed !! LOL !!
 mister_mark
Joined: 8/16/2006
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Posted: 8/20/2008 4:56:46 PM
I honestly think that if Bigfoot was found, it would change the world in one or another aspect.

I mean look at how many people are all about finding it/him/her/w.e
If it realy was Bigfoot, then what are the people that are true believers going to do?

I think they will make up some theory about some conspiracy that the tests were being tamperd with or something wild like that. And all because they dont have anymore Bigffot, no tracking to do. So nothing better than starting up stuff like that.

And thats my two cents.
 JohnEDeep
Joined: 7/9/2007
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Posted: 8/20/2008 5:10:07 PM
Let me get this straight...


Tom Biscardi, the self-described "Real Bigfoot Hunter"

and a known Bigfoot hoaxer, was hoaxed himself? Now THAT'S a true believer!

The mind wobbles...

That would make the Georgia duo the new Kings of Pranks! Too bad they fessed up, imagine how much fun a 'second prankster' theory could be. Those shadowy shapes paralleling them in the forest....the true pranksters on the grassy knoll.

I wonder when Congress will hold televised hearings to investigate this foul crime.

Do you think Bigfoot hunters date much?
 CheshireCatalyst
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Posted: 8/20/2008 8:46:13 PM
What these guys SHOULD have done before any DNA tests could be conducted, was arrange to have the Bigfoot body “stolen” just before it is due to be released for scientific examination. Rival bigfoot tracking groups will be blamed. The two hucksters will say they will spend the rest of their lives tracking down the “thief or thieves,” ala O.J.


Do you think Bigfoot hunters date much?


If one of their opening lines is "Would you like to inspect my hairy sasquatch?" then.......probably not.......

Tootles........
 pogoing
Joined: 8/3/2008
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Posted: 8/20/2008 9:07:38 PM
Montreal_Guy, Send some of what your smoking up there towards the south!!!
 Beefcakedaddio
Joined: 6/6/2007
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Posted: 8/20/2008 9:14:21 PM
In Montreal Guys defence he did not get info from the National Enquirer but CNN-Crappy News Network
 sarabara24
Joined: 2/19/2008
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Posted: 8/20/2008 10:12:33 PM
turns out it was a frozen bigfoot costume! Both men have lost their jobs and been charged with fraud.
 pogoing
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Posted: 8/21/2008 3:36:51 AM
In Montreal Guys defence he did not get info from the National Enquirer but CNN-Crappy News Network



Thats his first mistake watching CNN!
 Gotapulse
Joined: 3/21/2005
Msg: 73
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Posted: 8/21/2008 5:51:40 AM
How can they be charged with fraud ? Doesn't that necessarily require that they try to profit from this ? I'm hardly inclined to defend these guys and since I don't believe there's any bigfoot to discover in the first place it's pretty easy for me to ignore the details here but when did they make a profit of any kind from this ? Or wait...doesn't one of them own some Bigfoot paraphernalia store or something ? Even if that is the case, you have to prove that drumming up business was the motivation behind this to begin with and as well, it's not a direct connection anyway. I don't know of fraud charges would apply. Not that prosecutors wouldn't like to try of course but it's probably an un-win-able case from the prosecutor's point of view.

Oh, and how does any of this reflect on Montreal Guy anyway ? He simply posted the story , he didn't fabricate it.
 CheshireCatalyst
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Posted: 8/21/2008 2:46:30 PM

How can they be charged with fraud?


http://cbs5.com/local/bigfoot.body.hoax.2.798650.html


Biscardi, in a posting on his Web site, indicated that he did not receive the freezer containing the alleged remains until the day after the news conference.

He said the men refused to give it to him prior to meeting with reporters, but they signed a contract and received payment from Biscardi's group for the exclusive rights to examine the body and promote the discovery.

At the press conference last Friday, the Georgia men offered photographs and an e-mail from a scientist who conducted inconclusive DNA tests as proof of the body's existence.

Steve Kulls, host of a radio program devoted to Bigfoot hunting and an associate Biscardi's, said that as the "evidence" delivered by the men in a 1,500 lb. freezer was thawed, the claim began to unravel as a giant hoax.


Since Biscardi's group apparently paid for a Bigfoot carcass, herein lies the fraud. The group was not paying for a Bigfoot costume.

Tootles.......
 sarabara24
Joined: 2/19/2008
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Posted: 8/21/2008 9:35:07 PM
thank you i was gonna post that ^^^^^^
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