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Posted: 8/19/2008 7:23:36 PM | Thanks. I appreciate and respect your post. It also does offer good clear information, which certainly always helps these good discussions.
I need to reply with an opposing viewpoint however. There's always more than one way to skin cats. We just need to be more creative. For instance, the term "EXISTING drill-ships" first looks very suspect to me. If we can work to float three guys around the moon with our minds set to it with technology (even right down to the food they ate) that wasn't even on drawing boards yet at the time and totally on the fly, - with some leadership toward new ways of solving problems, I have unbelievable faith in American Ingenuity. The first pieces of the puzzle simply begin however with two things: leadership that will allow (and sometimes push) for it to happen, and for the creative minds of "WE CAN" individuals and teams to be unleashed. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2008 6:56:06 AM | It seems the Military Times and Army Times disagrees with the BS in the OP.
http://www.militarytimes.com/static/projects/pages/081003_ep_2pp.pdf
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/10/military_poll_100508w/ | |
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Posted: 10/20/2008 9:00:48 AM | | My son just came back from Iraq...he made the E-8 list and I'm very proud of him, higher enlisted rank than his daddy ever held!!! (I did make O-4 but that's a different story...) He does not support Obama and feels his election would be a disaster for the military. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2008 9:41:10 AM | Since this thread is back on our radar, here's the latest data, according to the NY Times:
October 17, 2008, 5:33 pm
McCain Edges Obama With Military Donors
By Leslie Wayne
Senator John McCain has pulled slightly ahead of Senator Barack Obama in campaign contributions from military donors. But what set Mr. McCain over the top were donations that came from people working for the Department of Defense. When it comes to the uniformed military, Mr. Obama is still ahead.
The Center for Responsive Politics, which analyzes campaign finance data, reports that a surge of donations for Mr. McCain in the final months he was able to accept campaign contributions moved him into the lead. By the end of August, Mr. McCain received $461,350 from military donors to $450,950 for Mr. Obama.
One of the interesting trends of the election was that anti-war candidates, not only Mr. Obama but also Ron Paul, were getting more support from the uniformed military than hawkish Mr. McCain. That remains the case. Mr. Obama received $340,400 from members of the uniformed service branches compared to $321,500 for Mr. McCain. Mr. Paul had taken in $213,000 from uniformed service members.
The report also shows that Mr. Obama also is ahead of Mr. McCain in military donors with overseas addresses, both those working for the Department of Defense as well as members of the uniformed services. A total of $74,650 came in for Mr. Obama from those posted overseas to $16,600 for Mr. McCain.
Mr. McCain, who served in the military for many years and was a Vietnam P.O.W., is wellknown for his tussles in Congress with the Pentagon over cost overruns on weapon systems. But the Department of Defense is among his top twenty donors. And, as a Navy man, Mr. McCain got support from donors in the Army, which also made Mr. McCain’s top twenty list of donors.
No group of military donors appeared among Mr. Obama’s top twenty. But that was because the amounts that Mr. Obama raised are so large that the military donations, as a group, were not large enough to make his list.
Plenty of fodder for both sides here. Let the tussle resume!
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Posted: 11/2/2008 9:27:08 PM | | I can't believe people are using wikipedia to support their posts. You know that anybody can write whatever they want on that, no matter if it's true or not. So excuse me while I go write up an article to support my claims that McCain is on record for accepting donations from Satan himself. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2008 1:25:34 AM | It is actually true and no kidding. This is a no brainer people.
If you were in the military who would you rather have the guy McCain that said he sees no end in sight for Iraq, the guy who got a D- on his voting record for his treatment of veterans by leading non-partisian veterans groups like the IAVA?
Or would you prefer Obama the guy who says he wants to end the bullshit war in Iraq and get you home to your family and who got a B by veterans groups on his record of standing in support of vets.
Would you want the guy who took the time to vote for the post 911 GI bill and the one who had the back of the vets 5 out of 9 times (obama) Or would you side with McCain who couldn't be bothered to vote on the GI bill and only sided with vets 3 out of 9 times?
Its a no brainer man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-Tw0z-YXes&eurl=http://www.iava.org/press-center
For those who cant wrap their heads around this since the republicans always like to make everyone think they "support the troops" etc...
http://iava.www.capwiz.com/bio/id/192&submit.x=9&submit.y=14&submit=go
There is mccains report card.
http://iava.www.capwiz.com/bio/id/3181&submit.x=15&submit.y=13&submit=go
And this one is obama's report card. At least he took the time to go vote to support the troops and wants to really support the troops by bringing them home from the place they should have never been sent to in the first place.
I personally find it rather sick that McCain himself is a vet and has such an abysmal record with veterans groups and horribly shameful voting record in regards to the subject.
At least if you are going to run with the image as the "country first" pro war, kind of guy you should take the time to make sure the men and women who get shipped off, who die and worse fighting in the many countries you people are so fond of shipping them off for****mamie completely half-baked plans. The VERY least you could do is take the little bit of time it would take to vote to make sure they get the benefits they deserve and to at least make sure they are damn well taken care of.
Instead the vet sells our boys and gals short and the other candidate who the other side likes to call unamerican etc. Is the one with a true record for supporting the troops.
If thats what it takes to get our vets cared for then send me a whole lot more "unamerican" candidates.
Because captain america McCain has an Abysmal record in regards to vets.
There are many vet groups opposed to McCain. It's no surprise the men and women serving in the military would also see this and the fact that Mccain is even to the far right of Bush on this issue of bringing home the troops and putting a reasonable end to this BS war. The fact that this action has lasted longer than WWII is nuts! The fact that McCain said he sees no end in sight is obscene.
I know if I was over there dealing with that crap day in and day out coming home for a very short time and getting shipped right back over there and I saw one candidate that is speaking about time lines or a guy that says it may take 100 years. I know who I would vote for. If I saw some of the most well known and non-partisan vets groups giving McCain a D and Obama a B on voting record for vet issues. I know who I would vote for.
Only one of these candidates shows by actions and record that he really "supports the troops."
His name is Obama.
Again republicans you cant say you support the troops and then send them to bullshit wars like Iraq, Nam etc. and then compound your insult and disregard for the troops and not vote to support them when they come home and expect that no one is going to call you out for the liars you are. These people dont really support the troops if they did they would make damn sure to only send them into a war for a very good reason. IE no other choice.
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Posted: 11/3/2008 2:29:11 AM |
YOUR INSANE IF YOU THINK THE MILITARY SUPPORTS DEMOCRATS LOL. Have you even elisted? If so then you know that they hate them. Why would the military like a president that takes there jobs away? Clinton neutered the army and Bush rebuilt it. Obama will cut the military and McCain wants 150,000 troops added. enough said
I spent as many years in the service as you have been alive. There are plenty of democrats in the military, don't know what the numbers are, but there are many more than you think.
As for "Clinton neutered the army and Bush rebuilt it", well Clinton did far more for the individual that served than Bush has, unless you call sending them to war based on lies has doing them good. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2008 8:35:43 AM |
People in the military support Obama six to one??!!
Pure BS. I don't know about that.
Why not support OBAMA? Vote for OBAMA and get the h3ll out of Iraq.
Folks being drafted to go to Iraq ... being taken away from their families against their will, being forced to give up their civilian careers just go get their bodies blown up, maimed, and mutilated and then to come back home and be dumped on Welfare because they can no longer provide for their families?
Ya they're gonna do whatever they can to get OBAMA elected ... yer darn tootin' they are ...  | |
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Posted: 11/3/2008 12:38:18 PM | Oh yes, the Repubs support the troops,
[http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/29/163053/79/814/646016
Iraqi War Vet Terrorized @ Long Island Street Fair
by CommonSense2k8
Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 01 05 PM PDT
A man fighting for his country, denied the rights he fought to protect! Kris Goldsmith, at the Bellmore Street Fair, was silenced at the Bellmore Street Fair on October 26 for being against the Iraq War.
What Happened in Bellmore?
Meet Kris Goldsmith
To Whom it May Concern,
I am writing you as a Veteran, concerned that First Amendment Rights are not being protected in the United States. My name is Kristofer Goldsmith, and I am from Long Island New York. I spent the year of 2005 with the 3rd Infantry Division in Baghdad. While overseas I received the Army Commendation Medal, and was recommended for the Bronze Star Medal. I was quickly promoted to the rank of Sergeant after just over two years in service, and graduated from Fort Stewart's Non-commissioned Officer School with honors in May of 2006 at the age of twenty.
After coming home from Iraq I began suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and major depression, but for over a year managed my symptoms on my own, and continued to have a successful career. After being stop-lossed for a second deployment, my PTSD was aggravated beyond my control. I was removed from the Army under honorable conditions after a suicide attempt last summer. I am now rated by the VA as 50% disabled due to PTSD, chronic depression and other problems generated from my time in service.
I now continue my service to this great nation as a member of a group called "Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW)." As a member of this non-profit organization I have traveled the country seeking to help the veterans of my generation find a welcoming community and get the benefits they were promised upon enlisting. I have testified before Congress, and worked the hill advocating for an end to the Stop-Loss policy and reminding Politicians of the cost of the Iraq war back at home. I have been fighting to make sure that recent Veterans return from overseas to an America prepared to care for it's wounded.
You may have heard of the 10 Veterans arrested outside the third Presidential Debate on October 15th 2008 at Hofstra University. I was the first of the ten to be handcuffed and charged with "Disorderly Conduct" for attempting to demand of the Presidential Nominees, John McCain and Barrack Obama, that they begin to address the issues most important to Veterans in this country. 1000 Veterans receiving care from the VA attempt suicide each month in this country. An average of 18 Veterans successfully kill themselves each month in America. The VA system has over half a million claims waiting to be processed in it's back-log. One third of the homeless people in this country are Veterans, meaning an estimated 200,000+ Veterans will be sleeping on the street tonight. These are the issues that I fight to push into mainstream America's living rooms.
While most of my work with Iraq Veterans Against the War has been directed regionally or nationally, recently I've attempted to reach the high population of Veterans around my home, here on Long Island. The Annual Bellmore Family Street Festival is an event which has occurred just three blocks from my home each year since before I was born. I remember waiting each year as a child for my favorite part of the fair, the military recruiters and Veterans Groups who would set up their tents around Bellmore's Veterans Memorial Park at the corner of Broadway and Bedford Avenue. This year, home and out of the Army, I approached the Bellmore Chamber of Commerce requesting to set up a table at the Street Festival. At first, as a someone who was late in registry, I was granted space "44" in front of "Madison Smoothies" at the far northern end of Bedford Avenue, close to Oak Street. I was told that regardless of the fact that I am a Veteran of Iraq, if I were to table for Iraq Veterans Against the War, I would be segregated from the other Veterans Groups as to not offend them. The Executive Director/Festival Coordinator, Joni Caputo, explained to me that she was doing me a favor by letting me table at all due to my late registry, so I accepted the terms of the segregation from those at the Veterans Memorial.
The original dates for the Bellmore Street Fair were Saturday, September 27th and Sunday, September 28th. However, due to rain, I was notified by the Bellmore Chamber of Commerce that the fair would be pushed back a few weeks, to Saturday, October 25th, and Sunday, October 26th. At this time I was told by the Bellmore Chamber of Commerce that my space would still be available for the rescheduling, and I confirmed with them I was still planning on tabling.
On Thursday, October 23rd I received a call from the Bellmore Chamber notifying me that my space was now unavailable, and that I would not be allowed to table at the Street Fair. At this time I requested to share a tabling space with another organization, but was denied due to total lack of physical space on the street. Going further, I asked Executive Director Joni Caputo if I found someone willing to share their rented physical space, if I could then be allowed to table there. Her reply was something to the effect of "look, you can't table anywhere, because the Chamber decides who gets to use what space and where. No matter what, you cannot table at the fair."
Saturday, October 25th 2008, I walked along Bedford Avenue to look at the "total lack of physical space" on the street. What I saw on the front window of the Law Office that Joni Caputo works in made it clear as to why my space was suddenly "unavailable" at the last minute. Every Republican Candidate had their posters plastered on the front of this office. A cardboard cutout of John McCain with a sign attached saying "$3.00 for a picture" stood by the front door to the office. Signs for Congressman Peter King taped to the windows reminded me how when I spent a month in Washington DC this summer, King, my own representative, refused to grant me time for a meeting. I know that Peter King supports the troops, but only when they align themselves with his ultra-pro-war views. How could he deny me, an Iraq Veteran, one of his own constituents, time in his office?
Continuing my walk along Bedford this Saturday, I noticed a number of open spaces between tables, ignoring the spaces that were paid for by the store owner to keep their store front clear. When I reached the Veterans Memorial Park, I noticed that Times Magazine, and other Corporations had received preferential treatment from the Bellmore Chamber of Commerce, even more so than the actual Veterans who were placed behind the park in the parking lot and across the street. Vietnam Veterans of America, Veterans of Foreign Wars, the Patriot Riders, and other Veterans Organization all got representation at this event- and I've got it on video to prove it.
Sunday, October 26th 2008, I returned to the Bellmore Street Fair, to a more crowded day with the sun shining brightly. Again, I noticed that there was still plenty of empty space between tables at this event. I approached the Long Island Democrats, who allowed me to speak briefly on stage at the Obama Rally on October 15th; and asked them if they would mind it if I shared their space, since they had more than they could use. Because my organization does not endorse any candidate, I set my table up just to their side, as to provide a clear definitive separation from myself and the Obama campaigners.
On the table I set up I displayed voter information concerning the candidates records on Veterans Issues, Books and DVDs produced by IVAW, and other things. Most important to me, however, was my Army Times Magazines. I was displaying the pictures of all the service members killed in Iraq and Afghanistan over the last few weeks. To my knowledge, the Military Times, is the only publication that prints pictures of those fallen warriors, and my purpose was to help the people of Bellmore put a face on the numbers. As a servicemember, as a Veteran, I know there are few things more offensive than to be regarded as "just a number."
At precisely 1:16pm I set up a table to the east side of the Mid-Nassau Democrats rented street space on Grand Avenue on the side of the Mediterranean Grill Diner. There I sat for over an hour and a half peaceably, talking to people as they walked by, distributing pieces of paper with websites that links them to Veterans Organizations and their voting issues. Many people approached me, thanking me for my service in the Army, and thanking me for my service out on the street that day. Around 2pm a short, stout woman wearing a green shirt labeled "STAFF" and "Kickin' it up Country" approached me demanding to know who said I could set up where I did. I replied with the name of the local democrat who had offered to share his space, as she angrily scurried off barking inaudibly with her clipboard. With my father present, who was wearing a shirt that says "Honor the Warrior, Not the War", I continued talking to the people on the street who were receiving me with warm welcome.
At approximately 2:30pm on Sunday the stout woman returned with about five other people with the green "STAFF" shirts. One bearded older gentleman with a goatee and ponytail who wore the green shirt of authority immediately demanded that I "pack [my] shit up now!" I explained to him that I was sharing a very clearly open spot with the Long Island democrats, and was causing no harm to anyone by being present. I told him in detail how I had reserved a spot, and when my spot was suddenly unavailable, I was suspicious that my views may have had something to do with my cancellation. He responded "do you think I give a **** about your views? If you won't pack up your shit, I'll pack it up for you!" At this time he began taring at and piling up the pictures of the dead service members I had displayed to honor and remember on the table. Immediately I was extremely offended... Watching as this man disrespectfully manhandled the photographs of every single servicemember who had died over the last few months...
At this time I began packing my suitcase, to protect the pictures of my fallen brothers and sisters, as the man continued his rant and rage. My father then called the police afraid that I would be assaulted. Within seconds Officer Mobilio and at least four other officers from the Nassau County Police Department showed up. The man with the green shirt, who only identified himself as "Paul" continued to threaten me, even in the presence of the officers, as I was packing up and getting ready to leave. He then turned to my father and said "if you want to see assault, they'll (pointing to the police) be picking you up all over the street!" Upon voicing my concerns over the threat made to my father, Officer Mobilio just responded "they have the right to use force, to an extent".
Now I'm left to wonder, how is it that an Veteran who served in one of Our Nation's most current wars, is not allowed to express his views in his own home town? I'm offended that the Bellmore Chamber of Commerce and it's employees questions my patriotism, my love for country, and especially my love for my fellow Veterans. I have devoted every spare penny, every spare minute of my life over the last few months, since leaving active duty, to fight to honor and protect our nations Veterans. I say Support the Troops, All the Troops, and Respect their Rights, no matter what! When I enlisted in the Army I swore to "defend the Constitution of the United States," and I come home to people willing to trample all over my First Amendment Rights! I will not stand for this, and will expect to see those who stood in my way in court.
To reach the Bellmore Chamber of Commerce to find out why they would discriminate against an Iraq Veteran, and to find out who "Paul" is:
Joni Caputo - Executive Director/Festival Coordinator
Joe Verdi- Exhibit and Display Coordinator
Chamber of Commerce of the Bellmores
PO Box 861
Bellmore, NY 11710
516-679-1875
Fax 615-409-0544
www.bellmorechamber.com
For Press looking for witness testimonies and comments, please write me at kris@ivaw.org
Sincerely,
Kristofer Goldsmith
Former Army Sergeant
Operation Iraqi Freedom III
Iraq Veterans Against the War][./quote]
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Posted: 11/3/2008 12:58:27 PM | | I was unaware of this incident. Thank you bliss serendipity for posting about it. I -WILL- look into this, while Bellmore and even Nassau county in general aren't my immediate area. I'm not particularly accepting of a Vet being harrassed and insulted in my state and certainly not with in arms reach as it were. | |
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| Troops support Obama by 6 to 1
Posted: 11/3/2008 1:03:07 PM | Well now...I have seen many biased reports from left wing sites like the Wiki that anyone can edit and even the Daily kos and the Huffington post...talk about one sided ...here is the poll done by the Military news as reported by fox...x
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/21/poll-troops-support-mccain/
A poll by the Military Times newspaper group suggests that there is overwhelming support for John McCain among U.S. troops in every branch of the armed forces by a nearly 3-1 margin.
According to the poll, 68 percent of active-duty and retired servicemen and women support McCain, while 23 percent support Barack Obama. The numbers are nearly identical among officers and enlisted troops.
Click here to see the raw data.
The Military Times, which publishes the Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times, polled 80,000 subscribers from Sept 22 to Sept. 29. The non-scientific survey gathered 4,300 respondents -- all of them registered and eligible to vote.
A racial divide was immediately evident among the respondents. Nearly eight in 10 black servicemembers chose Obama, while McCain captured 76 percent of white voters and 63 percent of Hispanic voters.
Click here to see more on this story from FOX News.
Numbers among men and women respondents were also visibly different. Men overwhelmingly said they would vote for McCain, 70 percent to 22 percent. But among women the margin was much closer: 53 percent support McCain, while 36 percent support Obama.
U.S. troops also said in the poll that they prefer McCain to handle the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- 74 percent said McCain would perform better, while just 19 percent said Obama would.
Four years ago the Iraq War was the single most important issue on which the military voted. But the war now ranks third in importance to these voters. The most important issue among the respondents was character (42 percent), followed by the economy (25 percent) and the Iraq War (16 percent).
There was a racial divide on these issues, as well. Black servicemembers said the economy was the No. 1 issue that affected their vote, and white troops said character was paramount.
The Military Times offered certain caveats for its poll, which was open only to its 80,000 subscribers. Responses were entirely voluntary and were not focused on a representative sample of the public, as scientific polls are. The troops polled were also somewhat older than average enlisted servicemembers and included more officers than is representative of the military as a whole.
Yet judging by the numbers, it appears that the Democratic party has not made many inroads into the traditionally Republican military. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2008 8:29:18 PM |
Troops, of course, aren't much different than most Americans, who overwhelmingly oppose the Bush military policy that John McCain would continue (the latest AP-Ipsos poll had 62 percent disapproving of the Bush policy). See that's the point ... if the troops were all "traditional troops" ... then yes ... I could imagine that they might lean more to the "Republican" side ... but one must also consider the source of some of the polls.
For example ... information collected from The Military Times subscribers is going to vary vastly from those who are actually in Iraq and Afghanistan. The majority of the troops who are in those two places are our "volunteer" troops.
You know ... the ones who had pretty much left their "military life" behind and were out there pursuing their careers, happily supporting their families in a responsible way ... when they got ripped away and sent into a damn war zone. I seriously doubt they wasted their money or time on publications such as "The Military Times".
If you poll those people ... those are the ones who will tell you they are NOT in support of McCain. No ... they are pissed as h3ll about where they are and do not support someone identical to the president that sent them into that H3ll.
It's just that troops have a lot more personal experience on this particular issue. We know that those who served believe Iraq has overstreched the military, and for years that those who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan are solidly against the current policy. None of my acquaintances who went to Iraq and/or Afghanistan will even consider backing McCain. They want out of there and they don't want to get sent back there time after time after time ... according to them ... for no good reason.
You know how they keep trying to shove that crap down our throats about fighting the so-called "terrorists" over there or they'll come here and (like the boogie man) kill us? They told me that we are the reason AQ is in Iraq. None believe that we ever need to be concerned about the "Muslims" invading our country and trying to kill us all and take our country.
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Posted: 11/3/2008 9:58:49 PM | Some people should stick to topics they really know something about..... 
I can tell that being in the military is not something that liberals understand a lot about.
Folks being drafted to go to Iraq ... being taken away from their families against their will, being forced to give up their civilian careers
You know ... the ones who had pretty much left their "military life" behind and were out there pursuing their careers, happily supporting their families in a responsible way ... when they got ripped away and sent into a damn war zone
It would be kind of funny, but some actually believe this stuff...... 
I do know there are plenty of dem's in the military. I guess it's just easy for some to forget, about Clinton's little wars in the Balkans and Somalia.
Most people in the military do not support dem's, because most of the dem's in office do not support them. Remember, talk is cheep. Young men do not join the military to rake dirt, and clean barracks.
Only one of these candidates show by actions and record that he really "supports the troops." His name is Obama.
Oh yea, 'the one' did visit the troops on his world tour, but I guess that's as far as his record goes. Check your history books one more time kabiosile, because it was Kennedy & Johnson who got us in to Vietnam. Both dem's, and Nixon who got us out. But hey, it's an election year, so go a head and spread it..... | |
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Posted: 11/4/2008 1:51:35 AM |
Oh yea, 'the one' did visit the troops on his world tour, but I guess that's as far as his record goes. Check your history books one more time kabiosile, because it was Kennedy & Johnson who got us in to Vietnam. Both dem's, and Nixon who got us out. But hey, it's an election year, so go a head and spread it.....
Um did you not look at the report given in my comment? Obama got a B for his record of voting on behalf of vets and issues that effect vets.
McCain has one of the worst records because he does not vote on behalf of vets.
Who pays small visits don't mean near as much as who is going to vote on your behalf.
The facts are McCain only stood with the troops and voted on their behalf an abysmal 3 out of 9 times.
Obama stood with the troops and voted on their behalf 5-9 times.
The record is clear on this one. Obama supports the troops!
McCain likes to claim he supports the troops but, his record shows the opposite.
I know full well who got us into nam. I do not care much for the way democrats have done things in the past either. I am no democrat either. Though yes in this election I am supporting democrats and in some cases libertarians.
We tried things republican trickle down style for far too long and it has been a failure for a very long time. Time to give the other side a shot at fixing things. Seems to be how things go in cycles country turns conservative for a couple decades more or less and then when the economy tanks the country swings the other way and democrats have a pretty decent record overall in being able to come and fix it Then things swing back the other direction.
So many of our brothers and sisters in the armed forces at that time were protesting the war in nam and even fragging their own commanding officers. The country was coming apart at the seams over that BS war we should have never got involved in but the war profiteers were making so much money off of the politicians who were in the pockets of the profiteers constantly kept telling everyone how horrific it would be if we stopped the occupation. While they shipped our boys off to a BS war. They echo the same garbage today about Iraq.
In war one can never "achieve victory" in the case of an occupation. You can only continue the occupation or withdraw. That is the huge flaw in the "logic" the right wing tries to use to hoodwink the people in the USA with regards to Iraq just like it was in Nam. The right wing of this country keeps talking about victory in Iraq.
There never was a such thing as victory and there can never be a such thing as victory in Iraq. Iraq was FUBAR the day that the CIA put Saddam Hussein in power by 4 coups. They were so happy when they got Saddam. Saying 'We got our man.' The only thing is most people dont realize that Saddam was always "their man."
Saddam was put into power by the united states why? Things start to get a whole lot more clear once we start asking these questions. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2008 4:25:02 AM |
Some people should stick to topics they really know something about.....
The troops support candidates that will bring them home ... out of an illegal war ... and see to it that they are appropriately cared for. Not to forget that a good portion of the troops that are there were folks who joined up just to be available in an "emergency" ... not to chase the "boogieman terrorists" that exist in the mind of a bungling mad man in Washington. Many joined up just to get the money to go to college ... to further their education ... never intending to really be sent to a war without end (as McCain would have it) ... only to come home maimed and mutilated whether in body or mind ... or both.
But once they do get back home, they need to be taken care of properly and that is not happening under a Republican administration. When people are ripped away from their careers that were affording them the roof over their head, appropriate medical benefits, food on the table for their family, clothes on their backs ... and come back to nothing, not a job, no more home (because they can't afford to pay the mortgage anymore) forced to go on Welfare to take care of their family ... and the administration sits back and does nothing for them ... they are not going to be inclined to support it.
So while there are many of you out there who can't believe that the troops would support OBAMA ... better think again. The Republicans have let them down big time and they are in the best position in the world to know it. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2008 4:37:29 AM | 'During the Vietnam era, soldier dissent took many forms and played a critical, but sometimes forgotten, role in bringing to a halt U.S. aggression in Southeast Asia, writes historian of the GI resistance movement David Cortright in his book Soldiers in Revolt.'
http://www.citizen-soldier.org/DDcoffeehouse.html
is this why the votes of many of the soldiers in iraq will not be counted? they are fed up with what is going on there and back at home?
According to a U.S election official, only about 30% of overseas military ballots were actually returned and counted.
One reason is every state has its own rules for absentee voting.
And they can change in the middle of an election cycle.
Another problem is that U.S mail is hard to deliver through a battlefield.
Congressman Kevin McCarthy says absentee ballots mailed from war zones are not getting to county registrars fast enough to be legally counted.
http://www.wnct.com/nct/news/local/military/article/soldiers_voting_ballots_not_counted/22317/ | |
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Posted: 11/4/2008 4:45:28 AM | ^^^^And in addition to all that ... the pentagon shut down the process of sending out the absentee ballots to the military personnel ... knowing they would not be voting for the Bush war machine.
In 2004, it wasn't just that they couldn't get the US Mail to the troops. If the ballots don't go out ... they won't get to the troops ... then the troops wouldn't be able to vote for Kerry. It's just another way of "rigging" the election.
Then not to forget that they didn't even bother to count the absentee ballots that DID make it back.
For that matter, they didn't count the absentee ballots in Ohio either. I know because I know someone who works for the Board of Election and she told me they were told not to bother. | |
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| Troops support Obama by 6 to 1
Posted: 11/4/2008 5:56:05 AM | " Obama can't even get a GS12 clearance with his savory background. "
He's a member of Congress. He already has a Special Top Secret Clearance. Since it takes many months for the investigation they do those before the election even happens. That is why the smear campaigns about birth records and associations have been so clearly a load of BS. He would not have been cleared if they were.
When I was in aerospace we didn't classify clearances by GS level. We had specifications that made sure that our equipment could be operated by the GS level who were supposed to operate it. I recall having a unit demonstrated to me and as they clicked off how it worked I mentally was raising the GS level for the operator until they included a lockout key. Then it could be operated by a GS7. | |
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| Troops support Obama by 6 to 1
Posted: 11/4/2008 6:03:22 AM | "I guess it's just easy for some to forget, about Clinton's little wars in the Balkans and Somalia."
Their is an ideaological ocean of difference between Clinton's fulfillment of our UN treaty committments to supply troops to UN peace missions and our distruction of our UN relationship with our unjustified and unholy attack on Iraq.
Bush lied for war .... not even close to what Clinton did.
McCain/Palin have campaign promised that more wars on missions of democracy are their plan.
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| Troops support Obama by 6 to 1
Posted: 11/4/2008 6:09:16 AM |
Check your history books one more time kabiosile, because it was Kennedy & Johnson who got us in to Vietnam. Both dem's, and Nixon who got us out. Actually, it was Eisenhower who sent the first American advisers into Nam. I thought Eisenhower was a Republican. OH NO!!!! ANOTHER REPUBLICAN ... sending us off to war?
And ummmmm ... oh yeah .... it was Nixon who was VP at the time. So if you think about it ... it was actually Nixon who was a part of getting us into Nam ... so it only seems appropriate then that he should get us out ... eh?
OT ...
Ya ... I believe the troops do support Democratic candidates ... if only they even get the ballots to fill out and send in ... if only their votes were allowed to count. Apparently since they just don't get to vote ... they make their presence known by donating to the campaign.
Let's hope that was worth their effort ... let's hope that counted. | |
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dmotz
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Joined: 7/25/2006
Msg: 71 | |
| Troops support Obama by 6 to 1
Posted: 11/4/2008 6:45:09 AM | Again with the conspiracy theories about rigged elections..They are so rigged that the Dems did not get control of the house two years ago...I knew it was a bad dream. I knew the 9% approval rating for them had to be a nightmare...
But wait..I know someone who knows someone who knows someone else and they said...sheesh...
I was in the Army for 12 years...I made a few phone calls this week..To friends and family still serving...let me tell you what I found out.
They do not believe Iraq is an illegal war...and seeing as how the Dems on capitol hill still pay the war bills..The conclusion is it is legal...get over it.
Another thing is the people I talked to and their friends are not voting for Obama. They feel he will downsize the military and therefore weaken this nation.
Tough love ...true dat! | |
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| Troops support Obama by 6 to 1
Posted: 11/4/2008 7:11:41 AM |
According to a U.S election official, only about 30% of overseas military ballots were actually returned and counted. Let's hope the Republicans weren't able to thwart our troops from once again voting.
It occurs to me that if the troops really and truly are so apt to vote Republican ... why would the Republicans be so H3LL bent on keeping their votes from counting? And yet ... time after time ... they find ways to keep the troops' vote from happening or being counted.
Yuppers ... I think the troops do support OBAMA and knowing that the Republicans would keep them from voting (one way or the other) ... they sent him money instead so that he could campaign. | |
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dmotz
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Joined: 7/25/2006
Msg: 73 | |
| Troops support Obama by 6 to 1
Posted: 11/4/2008 7:26:44 AM | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/03/AR2008110301729.html
John McCain's campaign sued Virginia's electoral board today, hours before the election, seeking to force the state to count late-arriving overseas military
Hmmmmmnm...the state of Virginia was late getting out the ballots to their service members...the Republicans want to extend the deadline into late November for them...yea...they are wanting to stop it huh? You bet..THIS JUST BLOWS YOUR CONSPIRACY THEORIES OUT OF THE WATER MY FRIEND. | |
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dmotz
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Joined: 7/25/2006
Msg: 75 | |
| Troops support Obama by 6 to 1
Posted: 11/4/2008 8:39:28 AM | And desperate people who refuse to see the truth are a dime a dozen when it comes to spreading lies and their beloved conspiracy anti anything agenda.
Just how long does it take a case to be heard in a court? Do you think you can file a lawsuit on Monday and have it heard Tuesday? Yea..delusional...
There must be a vast right wing conspiracy at work here...I hope it works and we boot the extreme left to the curb!
As for my family and friends in the service..THEY ALL GOT THEIR BALLOTS AND HAVE VOTED..... | |
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